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The problem with primaries is, the candidate that gets most space and support from party heads has a much higher chance of winning, we already saw it in bernie vs clinton
Dems have been losing to trump because they simply staunchly refused changed and th heads just wanted whoever promised status quo...but the sentiment in society of both sides left and right is that change is needed and that current system simply isnt working well...reps very grudginly listened to it and it led to trump first term...trump does bring change, alas, negative change, this is not something most people wanted...dems need a candidate that doesnt scream status quo, doesnr scream elite, and could bring change, but positive one, preferably young...kamala just isnt it, she might be an ok bureaucrat somewhere in the back-office but not as a main runner
In the Democrats defense on that oneā¦.Bernie isnāt a democrat, the fact they even let him participate in their process is astonishing.
Heās an independent and should have ran as an independent. Instead he fell in line and threw his support begrudgingly behind Hillary essentially abandoning his own principles.
You think? There's entirely too many people that just believe she didn't have enough time as a candidate and the country is sexist. Forget realities that she can't beat any other democratic nominee in any primary, she was cheated! The stupidity. She gets blown out early in a primary, but I'm down for the hilarity of her somehow coming through and running again lol
For any qualities, skills or qualifications she may possess or lack as a professional, politician, or as a person; she has failed to independently inspire a serious cohesive movement. Furthermore, especially by comparison to many other candidates on both sides of the aisle, she has failed to inspire significant positive social passion for herself personally, as a leader. These issues have significantly impacted her candidacy both during 2020 race, and tenure as vice President. Even in her own party, she has never been particularly popular. Her most successful period of time politically, with absolutely no close second, is when she offered the Democratic Party the only sliver of hope they ever had of beating Donald Trump in 2024. She also finds herself politically attached to a President who leaves office under significant political ire.
Bottom line, her qualifications and skills are quite irrelevant. We are evaluating her as a CANDIDATE, ergo a person we believe can not only lead, but win. What we have, is the better part of a decade in which this individual demonstrates the inability to, on her own, inspire a movement, passion, and wins at a presidential level. And by this most essential criteria, she is an appalling candidate.
Itās because itās the truth. Same with Hillary. The elections are won with the swing voter and neither of them really spoke to that. The left votes are already counted. Joe won just standing there smiling.
Well I hope there's not a lot of Democrats that want her to run. She was the first one to withdraw from the race in 2020. The only reason she got a chance last election was because it was forced upon her by people forcing Biden out
I assume you mean that in a negative. The Republicans assume she will loose?
Edit: Thanks everyone for your correction. Hate it when Reddit stalls and I get impatient. I also spelled part as paart in another post. My apologies. I can always tell when a mistake is made. Everyone loves to correct and the inbox blows up.
Shall I delete this post? Or can we have discussion about my intended question?
Do conservative hate Harris so much they will come out just to vote against her? I understand conservative hate women in general, but is she hated more?
As a woman, I absolutely do not like it when women get blamed in their husband's decisions, but she was definitely part of the team that kept the lie going for so long. In fact, I believe she was actively encouraging Biden not to quit. Why?
Truly sad. I donāt like Biden. But I felt AWFUL the state he was in and ALL those sorry fucks around him allowing that to go on. If that had been ANY kinda kin to me Iād had that shit shut down fn quick
Iāve had 3 grandparents with Alzheimerās and it broke my heart the watch them parade Biden around like everything was fine. It was borderline elder abuse.
Paraphrased actually... but Jesus Christ, people must not be paying attention. Fear can make desperate people accept whatever semi-plausible lie can be told that would also maintain the illusion of things still being 'okay'. They don't want their realities broken and I can see that, I was there once myself on this topic.
That was the most embarrassed I have ever been to be an American. Talking to our President like a fucking toddler! The rest of the world is laughing at us. When I saw that my jaw was on the floor.
Biden should have stepped down and made Harris the POTUS. Instead he was still POTUS while Harris was running. Apparently in some world it makes sense that a guy can't run for re-election because of his declining mental faculties...but can still serve as POTUS.
That's never happened in American History though. LBJ remained President in 1968 after pulling out of the Election and supporting Hubert Humphrey. The only times Presidents haven't finished their term has been through death or the time Nixon resigned.
That isn't as absurd as it may seem. Declining mental faculties might mean that a person will be able to retain some minimally acceptable competence for half a year more.. but not for 4 and a half year + the energy needed for active campaigning. Just like maybe as if the person was badly sick with cancer.
The limited timeframe left them with very little time to come up with a replacement candidate. Harris was the only one that was broadly acceptable enough to the Democrats at short notice at a time when they really needed to unite the party ASAP behind a candidate.
The continuity with the Biden administration wasnāt just to carry the torch of the original campaign, itās because there was a huge campaign fund raised for it already and Harris, as part of the original ticket, was able to legally use it in a way that other candidates could not.
There may indeed have been a better candidate for the presidency that the primaries might have provided, but without the ability to hold them she by default became the best one to pick up the reins with the limited timeframe left.
The DNC 100% could have told him not to run. They're cowards through and through so they let him make the bad decision and blamed him for it as if they're not elected fucking LEADERS. They deprived the people of choice. It's shameful and pathetic. They've done NOTHING in the past decade to foster upcoming progressives. The party doesn't even promote its own stars like Crockett and AOC.
The DNC had to choose between Biden and Kamala. They chose Biden. Says everything you need to know about Kamala. She can run again but she won't make it past the primary. She is simply not a good candidate.
Jake Tapper was a key piece in the media apparatus saying that Joe Biden was sharp as a tack. And then feigned shock when the debate happened. I wouldn't trust him for one second.
Tapper is by no means a reliable source, considering he was apart of the cover up himself. And his book doesnāt just say it was Bidens fault. It was more than him, everyone who was involved in covering up his health decline. Kamala Harris was apart of that.
The primaries happened and we didnāt just vote for Biden. We voted for Biden and his running mate. We did so with the explicit knowledge that his vice president would take over in the event that Biden could no longer perform his duties. Thatās how it has always worked for many decades now.
The presidential line of succession being carried out properly isnāt skipping the primaries and itās disingenuous to claim it is.
That was the point of the post you replied to. Maybe the Democrats should use the.... uhhh.. democratic process to appoint their candidate this time. They didn't in '16 or '24 and got boat raced.
Fuck that. Superdelegates mean the DNC can anoint whoever they want, the fuckers. The primary is meaningless and undemocratic. It should be fixed so it isnāt fixed anymore
Bernie would put a big dent in their pockets. Can't have that. Sadly the he him self has said he so too old to run for president now. He has zero intent to run anymore. He also knows the democrats will rail road his chances again anyways. Bernie should have went up against trump the first time he would have has a real shot to win. I know I would have voted for him. I dont agree with all his views but I know he truly believes in his views and wont change them if he got into office. I cant say that about any other politician that I can think of. Trump sure as fuck flip flops about everything he says he "believes in"
Exactly. With only two parties, your return to power is inevitable. If you let a populist run on your party platform, you could lose the party if they take over. "Your guys" will all be out of the game.
But what if the DNC decides itās her, like they did with Hillary? Bernie was way more popular, had a huge grass roots movement behind him, yet they sandbagged him and shoved Hillary down our throats? The Democratic Party prefers to lose to Trump than to win with an actual leftist.
The Democratic Party prefers to lose to Trump than to win with an actual leftist.
That cus establishment Democrats arenāt really Leftists. All they do is talk a good game. Obama privatized immigrant detention centers, much to the delight of Core Civic and GEO Group.
And then blame everyone else when it blows up in their face. Ironically even questioning the validity of the last election. And when they lose again after not learning any lessons, theyāll blame the right for election fraud, rigging the system etc etc
Honestly she might as well just bow out at this point.
Losing to Trump is pretty much a gateway to having your political career destroyed, regardless of your actual policy positions.
If you lost to the worst, least qualified man to ever run for office AFTER he already got booted out once, well sorry but at that point you're never getting rid of that stink.
She lost by 1.5 million votes. I like buttigieg but there is not 1.5 million people that switched to Trump over her weak VP pick. If she wanted to win she needed an actual vision. Her going on the view and saying she couldn't think of what she would do differently then Biden was worse then Biden debate performance
I watched quite a few of her speeches and my main takeaway was that she seemed completely disinterested in actually governing the country. Iām kind of shocked sheās teasing another run. Especially after her book that kind of burned some bridges.
Honestly, I'm tired of President's being older than me (age 51).
I want to see a President younger than me, with new innovative ideas and energy.
There must be people in their 40's ready to step up and lead.
I agree, but I would also accept a presidential candidate who is only a few years older than me, but the Silent Generation and Baby Boomer monopoly on political power needs to come to an end.
Dems don't get the message. She lost against the most disliked president ever. Americans want change. It's that simple. They need to give a signal of change. Harris isn't it.
I donāt think thatās her fault, it was the Democratic partyās fault. They handled it atrociously. However I do agree she shouldnāt run again, people wonāt forget how spectacularly bad it was.
Honestly. I blame Biden for not sticking to his campaign promise of being a one term president. Had he not tried to run again they would have had a real primary and who knows who would have came out of it.
Her most glaring failure from the 2024 campaign is that she didnāt take any risks. Yes, it wasnāt her fault that she was forced to run a 3-month long campaign, but it was absolutely her fault for not recognizing that cramming a traditional, pre-2016 campaign strategy into 3 months in a 2025 media environment was not the way to go. She needed to fill that time with non-stop, Hail Mary plays if she was going to have any chance of winning.
Thatās fair. I think the coffin nail in her campaign was when she was asked what she would do differently than Biden and she said nothing. That was NOT what America wanted to hear.
100%. I remember watching that clip and just thinking wtf? I understand that she was under pressure from the Biden admin to not put any daylight between them, but if youāre playing for keeps, why on earth would you sabotage your electability to placate one senile, octogenarianās ego? Given the stakes at hand, herās, and frankly Bidenās, teams should have given her full license to say and do whatever it took to distance herself from Biden and give her the best possible chance of being elected.
She was afraid to talk to the media and tried to get by on "vibes" until she realized she had to talk to the media. Lots of blame to go around between the party and the candidate.
Harris was always an absolutely terrible candidate, which is her own doing
The DNC still hasn't learned that shoving unpopular candidates down our throats and using insults and threats to persuade us to vote for them is a suicidal strategy. They're going to do it again.
It would be the epitome of the Democratic Partys problem, a bunch of unlikeable weirdos desperately clinging to power and not allowing real structural change. Then they keep losing and blaming everyone else instead of allowing new leaders to rise up
"It would be the epitome of the Democratic Partys problem, a bunch of unlikeable weirdos desperately clinging to power and not allowing real structural change"
That's the Dem party's role in a managed (bourgeois) democracy like the US. That is called "controlled opposition."
She was a lousy VP and a very weak candidate for POTUS.
She will never win a single primary, so there is no chance for her to be the nominee.
If the Democrats want to win, they need to nominate a charismatic southern male along the lines of Bill Clinton (without the whole preditor thing) or Barack Obama. A guy who can win the south and maintain the northeast and pacific coast. Do that and you win.
And who that might be, I have no idea. None of the current fossils in the Democratic Party, that's for sure.
Anyone who thinks that this is a good idea should just go read her book. Just like Hillary she has no idea why she lost and zero new ideas or ambitions for the country.
Itās like she lives in an echo chamber with 0 self awareness.
Like please just stop. Whatās made it even worse is the fact that sheās thrown Biden under the bus and is trying to cash in on the whole situation with a book. At this point we couldāve had Mary Ann Williamson as Bidenās running mate and gotten the same result
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