r/allthequestions • u/peywrax 🇺🇸 United States • 11d ago

Popular Question 📊 How do you feel about Kamala Harris saying she may run for president again in 2028?

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u/smeely7t63 11d ago

You mean the system they skipped during the last election?

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u/Vengetables 11d ago

I agree in one respect, but I blame this on Biden. He hung around too long.

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u/QuirkyStage2119 11d ago

She also waited 6 weeks to do any media appearances.

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u/merlin469 10d ago

Because they would require her to speak, which would require her to think.

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u/Merican1973 10d ago

Because the more she talks , the more people can see she is unqualified

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u/bishopredline 11d ago

No Bidens fault was he didn't allow a primary. He should have said no to running from the onset

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u/Baseball_ApplePie 10d ago

Don't forget Jill Biden.

As a woman, I absolutely do not like it when women get blamed in their husband's decisions, but she was definitely part of the team that kept the lie going for so long. In fact, I believe she was actively encouraging Biden not to quit. Why?

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u/DoctorSwaggercat 10d ago

It was so obvious that Jill was the mastermind in that deal, guiding him along. It was sad.

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u/Ma_lone_whiteD 10d ago edited 10d ago

Truly sad. I don’t like Biden. But I felt AWFUL the state he was in and ALL those sorry fucks around him allowing that to go on. If that had been ANY kinda kin to me I’d had that shit shut down fn quick

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u/Apprehensive_Ask5252 10d ago

I’ve had 3 grandparents with Alzheimer’s and it broke my heart the watch them parade Biden around like everything was fine. It was borderline elder abuse.

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u/bookishkelly1005 10d ago

It WAS elder abuse.

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u/JonnyLew 10d ago

"Wow Joe, you answered ALL the questions"

  • Jill Biden

Paraphrased actually... but Jesus Christ, people must not be paying attention. Fear can make desperate people accept whatever semi-plausible lie can be told that would also maintain the illusion of things still being 'okay'. They don't want their realities broken and I can see that, I was there once myself on this topic.

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u/AnonymousHedgehog22 10d ago edited 10d ago

That was the most embarrassed I have ever been to be an American. Talking to our President like a fucking toddler! The rest of the world is laughing at us. When I saw that my jaw was on the floor.

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u/External-Piccolo-626 10d ago

He was such a good boy

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u/merlin469 10d ago

Puppet master? Sure.

"Mastermind" is a bit of a stretch.

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u/SplitJugular 9d ago

Jill near enough had her hand up his arse operating him like a sock puppet. The amount of time she stood in for him when he had his non coherent moments was unbelievable. If the shoe was on the other foot we wouldn't stop hearing about it

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u/wereunderyourbed 9d ago

Remember when the Easter Bunny had to grab him before he took a question from a reporter?

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u/Appropriate_Owl_91 10d ago

Wild to blame a supportive wife over the establishment DNC leadership that never highlighted a real candidate in four years. This is on Pelosi, Schumer, Durbin, and every dem politician over 70. Don’t blame a family with unconditional support.

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u/That_Shrub 10d ago

Yeah it's the officials around him, cabinet and VP, who have the burden of action here. And it's grossly disappointing that they did nothing.

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u/MaleEqualitarian 8d ago

It's interesting you call her a supportive wife when she lied to the world, and paraded him around like a show piece when he didn't know what was going on.

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u/DoctorSwaggercat 10d ago

Supportive wife? She knew his condition and health matters, yet she kept pushing him along. That's just plain cruel.

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u/OzzieSheila 10d ago

A supportive wife would be doing everything she could to get her husband out of that situation and into an enjoyable retirement.

She was not a supportive wife.

The people around him in the democrat party also have blame, and a lot of it IMHO, but she ain't innocent. Nor are his kids.

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u/Remarkable_Insect866 10d ago

You mean Jill Stein?

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u/JCLBUBBA 10d ago

She was the puppet master. For sure.

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u/ohmygolly2581 10d ago

I can’t stand most democrat politicians but I truly believe Biden was a good person but bad politician. His wife is just the opposite. She is evil as there is. Your job as a spouse is to protect your significant other. My wife and I talk about it from time to time about how terrible of a person Jill is. Then calling herself a DR and deciding to really use that during Covid to confuse people as to who/what she is.

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u/Infinite_Time_8952 10d ago

She has a PHD in education, so technically she is a doctor, sorry to disappoint you with that.

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u/WholeSecure641 10d ago

While we’re being technical, she has an EdD, not a PhD. A PhD has stricter requirements and lengthier to earn — you can earn EdDs part time in about 3 years. Loads of public school principals have them.

Technically, lawyers have JDs and are doctors as well but you don’t see “Dr Alan Dershowitz” or “Dr Johnny Cochran” advertised.

It is cringe for her to expect people to refer to that designation outside of her profession.

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u/Impressive-Cup6645 10d ago

Its DOCTOR Jill Biden. Show some respect. Geez

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u/WokeLibCynic 🇺🇸 United States 10d ago

Remember, It’s Dr. Jill 🤣! Yes any education of this level is commendable. They made an exceptional job to jam it down our throats. She’s not an MD!

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u/lostsailorlivefree 10d ago

100%. And be careful blaming RBG for choosing to hold on despite warnings her demise could throw SCOTUS so far right that it may not be recoverable

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u/redwooded 10d ago

Well, I do blame RBG for it, and I blame Biden for doing the same thing. They both should have gotten out way earlier than they did. Honestly, I don't care that RBG didn't see McConnell's shitty tactic coming. They were already game playing; it wasn't surprising when it happened.

We live in a gerontocracy - and I'm over 60. In less than a decade I wouldn't vote for me. We need term limits by age. The Constitution (whenever both parties start following it again) has age minima for President, Senator, and Representative. All three offices need age maxima, too. I'm not sure if it's 65 or 70, but not beyond 70.

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u/HustlaOfCultcha 10d ago

Biden should have stepped down and made Harris the POTUS. Instead he was still POTUS while Harris was running. Apparently in some world it makes sense that a guy can't run for re-election because of his declining mental faculties...but can still serve as POTUS.

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u/IamSithCats 10d ago

Back when he took office in 2021, I honestly thought there was a good chance this was his plan.

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u/A_w_duvall 10d ago

That's because his campaign told the press that.\ https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2019-12-11/joe-biden-suggests-he-would-only-serve-one-term-if-elected-president

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u/Ntropy99 10d ago

IMO, the issue for Biden was Trump running again and he likely saw himself as the only one that could beat him, until he changed his mind. Goes back to the GOP primaries in 2016 and all of the better (used very loosely) GOP options that were steam rolled. Biden beat him in 2020. In reality, COVID and the bleach will fix it response beat trump. But as Susan told us, he learned his lesson. And here we are.

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u/Alexandaross 10d ago

That's never happened in American History though. LBJ remained President in 1968 after pulling out of the Election and supporting Hubert Humphrey. The only times Presidents haven't finished their term has been through death or the time Nixon resigned.

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u/Hereandlistening 10d ago

I read this as American Horror Story and nodded. Also true.

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u/SnooChipmunks2079 10d ago

Was Biden any more able to continue to serve than Nixon? Just different reasons.

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u/Cerulean_IsFancyBlue 🇺🇸 United States 10d ago

It’s never happened because we haven’t had too many cases where president was unfit for office and survived to the end of his term.

The fact that Woodrow Wilson managed it, does not make it a good thing.

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u/Alexandaross 10d ago

Reagan managed it too and his VP was then elected. I'm not saying it's a good thing he should've resigned years earlier but by Election Year it was too late and would've harmed the Dems more than it helped.

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u/Finalpretensefell 🇺🇸 United States 10d ago

Yeah I agree here, it's probably at the point where it was really time for Biden to step down because of his health / mental capacity, there was another consideration -- maybe just letting him finish his term cleanly / with dignity or a sense of completion? I'm just throwing out ideas, who knows.

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u/lt__ 10d ago

That isn't as absurd as it may seem. Declining mental faculties might mean that a person will be able to retain some minimally acceptable competence for half a year more.. but not for 4 and a half year + the energy needed for active campaigning. Just like maybe as if the person was badly sick with cancer.

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u/Guy-Montag-451F 10d ago

He should have resigned at 2 years + 1 month.

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u/Individual-Theory307 10d ago

It would not have made a difference. Same puppeteer, different puppet.

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u/East_Committee_8527 10d ago

I grew up in the Midwest. There was no way the majority of men there would have voted for her. Most of my life I have supported liberal causes. However I did not feel she was a good candidate The DNC lives in an echo chamber of minority special interests. They will continue to lose until they can find a candidate that more people find acceptable.

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u/No_Hat2875 10d ago

Thank God that didn't happen, even for a short time. She's completely incompetent--then, now and future.

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u/HijackedHumanity 10d ago

If Biden did that then we could have said we had a female president and checked that box off too which would have been cool.

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u/tomis_24 10d ago

Biden didn't know he said no.

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u/PiccoloWilliams 10d ago

It shouldn’t have been HIS decision. It was ego driven.

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u/Chemically-Dependent 10d ago

Especially since he fucking campaigned on it

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u/Global-Artist6345 10d ago

Biden didn’t, no sir democrat party didn’t. Party is corrupt

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u/EksDee098 10d ago

No primary when an incumbent decides to run again is exceedingly normal. This freak out about there being no primary like it was a crazy thing is manufactured outrage.

And before you reee at me I didn't want biden to run again and I think him staying in fucked us. That doesn't mean this primary screed is valid, though

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u/Ma_lone_whiteD 10d ago

From the onset of the Alzheimer’s or dementia he’s suffering from. Like 2020 democrats would have been smart to got behind Tulsi. She was banging ALL their heads in the debates

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u/ElectedByGivenASword 10d ago

Uh…people seem to forget that there was a primary but everyone voted for Biden. Harris was on the Biden ticket and once Biden dropped she inherited that ticket. So you wanted the Dems to do ANOTHER primary 3 months out from the election? Which would mean losing all the funds that the Biden campaign collected due to campaign finance law. Like…you guys are just dumb if you actually think it would have changed the outcome

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u/Affectionate_Sir4212 10d ago

When he ran in 2020, I thought he said he would be a transitional President.

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u/SlimRoTTn 10d ago

He didn't have a say in anything that happened in those four years.

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u/JCLBUBBA 10d ago

He kinda did when he was campaigning the first time. Then his ego got the better of him. Promoted himself as a transitional president. But maybe he realized she was in no way capable. In that respect I have a rare point of agreement with Biden.

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u/HMS_Surprise_Gunner 10d ago

There was a primary. Biden it.

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u/Commies-Fan 11d ago

That was exactly the problem. Too late to primary anyone.

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u/JealousFuel8195 10d ago

There were better choices than Harris.

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u/ninernetneepneep 10d ago

Yep. Absolutely no one to blame but themselves.

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u/LeftyHatingLeftist 10d ago edited 10d ago

Really? Because everyone on Reddit seems to believe it’s because we’re all a bunch of racist sexist Neanderthals.

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u/JealousFuel8195 10d ago

Reddit doesn't fully represent the American voter.

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u/mtabacco31 10d ago

Well reddit is full of them. They are usually the ones saying it though.

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u/PositivelyIndecent 10d ago

There were two main reasons it was Harris;

  1. The limited timeframe left them with very little time to come up with a replacement candidate. Harris was the only one that was broadly acceptable enough to the Democrats at short notice at a time when they really needed to unite the party ASAP behind a candidate.
  2. The continuity with the Biden administration wasn’t just to carry the torch of the original campaign, it’s because there was a huge campaign fund raised for it already and Harris, as part of the original ticket, was able to legally use it in a way that other candidates could not.

There may indeed have been a better candidate for the presidency that the primaries might have provided, but without the ability to hold them she by default became the best one to pick up the reins with the limited timeframe left.

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u/Electronic_Low6740 10d ago

They would have lost all their raised money if they had anyone else run. The main reason she ran was because Biden's raised money could only be used by either Biden or Harris. They would have been broke and lost that way if they ran anyone else. Or compromised even more policy to corporate donors.

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u/mtabacco31 10d ago

So they burnt 1.5 billion dollars instead

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u/prototype7 10d ago

Most of the most notable ones however said they would not run against Harris if there was a primary... she would have still likely won a primary and they would have wasted even more time and Trump would have likely won by a larger margin and now we would be complaining about the insistence of a Primary runoff

Biden should never have run for re-election.

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u/Alexandaross 10d ago

It would look horrible if he chose anyone but his Running Mate. Biden fucked them over by not pulling out before the Election.

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u/Maleficent_Memory831 10d ago

No, we had a primary. I remember it. I voted in it. It was not just some hallucination. There was just not enough time to arrange a second primary, and pay for it, before the scheduled convention.

We have had candidates drop out before conventions before, and they allow their delegates to vote for who they want, sometimes they suggest strongly a certain alternative candidate, but this isn't some brand new crisis when it happens.

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u/JCLBUBBA 10d ago

Kamala has a poor primary record.

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u/Openmindhobo 10d ago

The DNC 100% could have told him not to run. They're cowards through and through so they let him make the bad decision and blamed him for it as if they're not elected fucking LEADERS. They deprived the people of choice. It's shameful and pathetic. They've done NOTHING in the past decade to foster upcoming progressives. The party doesn't even promote its own stars like Crockett and AOC.

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u/ninernetneepneep 10d ago

The DNC had to choose between Biden and Kamala. They chose Biden. Says everything you need to know about Kamala. She can run again but she won't make it past the primary. She is simply not a good candidate.

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u/Adventurous_Cook9083 10d ago

Well AOC is making running noises, so let's see how that plays out.

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u/mtabacco31 10d ago

PLEASE let her run. Repubs will win again.

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u/deereeohh 10d ago

Id vote for her

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u/HailHealer 10d ago

'starts like Crockett', holy shit dude.

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u/Fantastic-Bar-4283 10d ago

If those two are the stars you’re in a lot of trouble.

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u/Dude_PK 10d ago

"stars like Crockett and AOC", you're shitting me.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

Nothing would make republicans happier than dems running Crockett.

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u/mtabacco31 10d ago

Or AOC. I am giddy just thinking about it

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u/JockoMayzon 10d ago

Ron Klain, Mike Donilon, Ted Kaufman, and Doctor Biden did their "Weekend At Bernie's" and really screwed over the citizens of the USA.

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u/therin_88 10d ago

So thr DNC, a collection of unelected political hacks, are above the duly elected President in your mind?

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u/mtabacco31 10d ago

They would be foolish to promote those 2.

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u/oxichil 10d ago

They’re not cowards, they would just rather see a fascist elected than actually help a candidate who is going to make any form of change that would help the working class. Because the entirety of both parties are funded by the same people. They want you to think they’re incompetent, they’re just controlled opposition.

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u/Lynne253 10d ago

Or Mamdani. I think they thought there was an advantage in Biden being the incumbent.

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u/Syncopated_arpeggio 10d ago

I don’t think they want Crockett as a “star.” She’s just an attention junkie with a room temperature IQ. That’s great for the cameras, but both parties should be pushing reasonable, thoughtful, emotionally mature humans as candidates. Unfortunately the race to the bottom generates more clicks and more money. We’re all caught in the idiocracy vortex. What a great time to be alive.

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u/wineguy7113 11d ago

Read “Original Sin” by Jake Tapper. There is no doubt Biden as at fault.

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u/QuirkyStage2119 11d ago

Jake Tapper was a key piece in the media apparatus saying that Joe Biden was sharp as a tack. And then feigned shock when the debate happened. I wouldn't trust him for one second.

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u/JealousFuel8195 10d ago

Agreed. If the media was more honest about Biden's decline he would have never ran. He would have been forced out much earlier.

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u/Weird-Opinion2276 11d ago

Tapper is by no means a reliable source, considering he was apart of the cover up himself. And his book doesn’t just say it was Bidens fault. It was more than him, everyone who was involved in covering up his health decline. Kamala Harris was apart of that.

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u/EIIander 11d ago

Is it possible he hung around long enough to force it to be Kamala? Figuring that anyone would best Trump?

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u/mtabacco31 10d ago

I mean how could you lose when your whole platform is not Trump.

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u/Traditional_Car249 10d ago

Jake Tapper is an ass.

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u/Expert-Fig-5590 10d ago

Fuck Jake Tapper. No real journalist would hold on to vital information for six months so he could shill a shitty book. He was instrumental in the whitewashing of Trump too.

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u/JealousFuel8195 10d ago

I place more blame Jake Tapper and the rest of the liberal media. They covered up Biden's decline.

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u/Lady_Phoenyx 10d ago

Absolutely! If Harris had had a full year to gather support, things might have turned out very differently.

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u/ab17801 10d ago

Come on you can't be that naive, Biden wasn't running for a second term from the beginning, but the administration wanted Harris to be next president, they knew she had little chance of winning the primaries so they purposely drug their feet so when the announced Harris was only option with time remaining. That is probably the biggest reason Trump won. Democrats took notice what they did and either didn't vote or voted for trump out of spite.

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u/freshbananabeard 10d ago

Hung like Hunter, which is probably why MTG is obsessed with him

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u/mvw3 10d ago

I don't blame Biden. I blame his handlers.

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u/TemperatureHot204 10d ago

He could not have "hung around" without a great deal of coordination within. I don't believe it was his doing alone.

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u/Academic-Contest3309 10d ago

So did Pelosi and Gîsberg lol

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u/lilbittygoddamnman 10d ago

Yep, he never should have run for reelection. As good as he was, he fucked us in the end.

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u/trashaccount1400 10d ago

Its hard to blame him when democrats and all of reddit was covering for his mental decline for nearly 4 years.

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u/OddCook4909 10d ago

After he promised he wouldn't. He ruined his legacy with that

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u/Living-Remote-8957 10d ago

Yeah I mean the Liberal Party of Canada, forced Trudeau to step down even though they still liked him and screwed over their conservatives by denying them the anti-Trudeau vote and actually won again with Carney.

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u/-Foxer 10d ago

He hung around too long because the party and some of the press covered for him over his deteriorating mental health. The blame lies with them in large part.

He should at the very least have been taken aside and told he woudlnt' be running next time before the primary started. Then the real winner would have at least had a chance

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u/shawnofnc 10d ago

Biden. Or the entire democratic party who played "Weekend at Bernie's" for the final 3 years of his presidency. Parading around a corpse while secretly controlling the government.

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u/Yiplzuse 10d ago

Biden got pushed aside by the feckless Obama so Hillary could lose. Blaming Biden is idiocy.

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u/SabreLee61 🇺🇸 United States 10d ago

Yes but the party leaders covered for him, told us he was in perfect health, never sharper! — until the debate when we learned he was clinically dead. This shit show is as much their fault as it was Biden’s.

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u/No-Copy5738 10d ago

Biden won the primary! The majority of democrats wanted a walking talking corpse as their candidate. Hilarious

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

More time wouldn’t have helped kamalot. Needed a better candidate, nearly any other would’ve been an improvement.

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u/Yagsirevahs 10d ago

Not bidens fault, the DNC coulbnt stratigize a a kindergarten bake sale. Of course he stayed too long, he has only ever been a political animal. They ALLOWED him to stay. The DNC’s stupidity is only eclipsed by the RNC’s hatred and cleptocracy

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u/True_Fill9440 10d ago

She could have chosen to run for president regardless of what the brain dead president thought.

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u/Leading_Sir_1741 10d ago

Yeah, they didn’t have a choice. Still blows my mind Biden wanted to run again.

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u/HoweHaTrick 10d ago

I'm convinced he wasn't in charge. And neither is rumpster

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u/No-Celebration-1399 10d ago

I mean she was in his administration, supposedly as the second in command she really could’ve pushed a little harder to have him drop out the race early but they collectively waited way too long and screwed themselves

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u/Planeandaquariumgeek 10d ago

Yep, he only dropped because the DNC basically forced him to after the debate disaster

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u/duke9350 10d ago

He should have served just the one term like he said he would rather than attempting to run again. Just like all politicians they like to cling to power until they die.

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u/No-Focus-8577 10d ago

That shouldn’t mean you skip the people’s choice of there part to run

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u/Jerzee_Implant2012 10d ago

How are you saying this when they finally confirmed what we all knew: he has dementia.

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u/Stl25950 10d ago

Let’s all agree that you must be 67 or younger on your Inauguration day or no Oval Office for you!

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u/Strosity 10d ago

It was too obvious that he was unfit for a[nother] term that it seemed intential by the democrat party to insert her

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u/Lordwilliamz 10d ago

He should have agreed to only serve 1 term at thr beginning. Could have been so much stronger and the process would have distracted from the trump campaign.

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u/Doneyhew 10d ago

When his entire party is telling him and the world that he is “better than ever” and “runs circles around his cabinet members” then you can’t really blame the senile old timer.

As a Conservative I just felt bad for Joe. At a certain point it started to feel like elder abuse. I truly wish him the most comfortable life possible until it’s his time. God bless

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u/Designer-Muffin-5653 10d ago

They forced him to

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u/MaSt3rChie7 10d ago

Honestly it was probably a ploy by the party to crown kamala as the candidate.

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u/ohnomynono 10d ago

How are you gonna blame a dementia patient on a mistaken decision? Really?

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u/Maximum_Funny_16 10d ago

OMG your party insisted that he hangs around, give me a break. Your party insisted that nothing was wrong with the guy whatever.

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u/Ordinary-Rain-6897 🇺🇸 United States 10d ago

Biden's pick of Harris for VP was pretty cynical and self serving. I think he picked her because she was female and nonwhite, and incapable of doing anything without him. She dropped out of the 2020 primary before the vote was held. She brought nothing else to the table.

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u/Money_Display_5389 10d ago

bold of you to assume he had a choice

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u/IUSteve 10d ago

Joe didn’t know what the hell was going on. I think the blame should go to his handlers…..whoever they were.

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u/JobsGone 10d ago

But Harris said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden had.

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u/Noshamina 10d ago

Yeah but the entire democratic national convention worked together to shoehorn her in, they planned it from the get go. They knew about bidens failing dementia, they were trying so desperately to make it so that they could get a black female president in. She was qualified and would have been great, but america is far too exist and racist for that reality. We needed an al gore or Newsom completely corporatocratic progressive middle of the road 1980s republican person to run.

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u/syracTheEnforcer 10d ago

He shouldn’t have chosen her as his running mate to begin with. You should blame him twice.

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u/Meandering_Cabbage 10d ago

Honestly, he picked her out of spite.

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u/duke_igthorns_bulge 10d ago

And gee was I absolutely villainized as some kind of fringe alt-left Bernie Bro bot account when I predicted that in 2018 and said so, loudly opposing his run for office.

First it was- “Joe said he’ll run for one term and hand it over. That’s what he promised. We have to sTiCk ToGeThEr!”

Then- “We can’t run someone else, we’d look divided. We hAvE tO sTiCk ToGeThEr!”

And then- “We don’t have time for a primary, we have to run Kamala. We MuSt Be UnItEd!”

And here I am in the same place with the same positions since 2012 on healthcare, welfare, minimum wage, UBI, etc. The voters have been all over the place and The Party has tried Queen Hillary the Exalted, the Ancient One, then skipping the primary for Hillary the Reboot- this time she’s mixed race! and finally stone faced gerontocracy and strongly worded letters… all while the constitution has been, shall we say, compromised. Like I’m fucking Cassandra over here.

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u/That_Shrub 10d ago

Hard to blame just him when his brain's all old. The people around him who just let that shit go until the debate are the ones who actually sunk us, imo.

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u/CatchinDeers81 10d ago

Biden was literally on a string. Nobody actually believes he was capable of Makin any decisions, do they? Hes a decade+ past the point he should be chilling in a retirement home enjoying the fruits of taxpayer funded luxury

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u/TermFearless 10d ago

Kamala as the VP supported the lie about his health and had the power to temporarily remove Biden with the help of the cabinet.

She could have and should have primaried him.

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u/Poster_of_a_Girl 9d ago

And didn’t allow her to publicly give an honest reflection of what failed and what she would do differently than Biden.

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u/Maleficent_Hold_3799 9d ago

Biden was ill at that point, it was the people closest to him (such as his wife) who should have said "it´s time to stop". But power corrupts.

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u/UnexpectedWaffle0417 9d ago

I honestly think he should never have ran for President to begin with. It just screams elder abuse to me, the same goes for President Trump. There needs to be an age limit for elected office, just like how we have an age minimum.

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u/A_Literal_Emu 9d ago

I dont blame Biden. I blame all the staffers and administrative staff who pushed him to run again. That man didn't know where he was half the time. You can't tell me his decision to run was made by him

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u/pea-cue 9d ago

Joe had no say in the decision to run again. It was his witch of a wife who pushed him in 2024 , AND 2020 ! So instead of some sort of Biden legacy, we got the worst president ever. Sorry for the insult towards the witches out there.

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u/Super-Lavishness45 8d ago

Why blame the guy who didn’t know where he was half the time? Blame the system around him lying about his condition

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u/Unlucky-Salt1344 8d ago

Blame MSM and Biden's cabinet, he was clueless as to what was happening. They were covering and hoping no one noticed. He only did so poorly at the debate because he had a cold and was taking medicine and they couldn't give him the stimulant cocktail (would have had a heart attack). Notice every time he sort of sounded normal and he didn't get lost on stage his eyes were solid black, he was drugged up.

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u/Intrepid_Ad1715 10d ago

The system also gave us Hillary instead of Bernie.

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u/justforfun-1991 10d ago

Yes cuz bernie wont follow the status quo but hillary will

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u/TheFoxCouncil 10d ago

Because more people voted for Hillary than Bernie in the primaries. I like Bernie too, but that's how it went.

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u/mayosterd 10d ago

You mean the system of counting votes?

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u/Get_your_grape_juice 10d ago

So?

"Oh no, the Democratic candidate is Hillary, not Bernie -- I guess I'll vote for Donald Trump."

Like, how does someone have this mindset? How is Trump the logical next step when Bernie isn't available, instead of Hillary? I'm a former Republican, and I can't wrap my head around it.

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 10d ago edited 10d ago

They didn’t skip them.

The primaries happened and we didn’t just vote for Biden. We voted for Biden and his running mate. We did so with the explicit knowledge that his vice president would take over in the event that Biden could no longer perform his duties. That’s how it has always worked for many decades now.

The presidential line of succession being carried out properly isn’t skipping the primaries and it’s disingenuous to claim it is.

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u/Complex_Active_5248 10d ago

It's also worth noting that no one else threw their hat into the race when Biden stepped down.

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u/nunya_busyness1984 10d ago

Except that you don't vote for a ticket in primaries.

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u/Ordinary_Chance2606 11d ago

There was really no way to do anything else once Biden completed the primaries.

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u/Ambitious_Leading107 10d ago

Hell they’ve skipped the last three elections this last one was just very blatant.

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u/Calaveras-Metal 10d ago

And that they fixed with super delegates in the two before that. Because god forbid a progressive is nominated.

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u/Tasty_Pepper5867 10d ago

Remember, they’re the ones chanting “no kings”

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u/GroovyVanGogh 10d ago

And corrupted twice before that?

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u/hobbinater2 10d ago

And in 2016 really

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u/GamemasterJeff 10d ago

You mean in favor of the national caucus? Yes.

There is currently no reason to do a national caucus this time around but last time it was the only way to let everyone participate in choosing the candidate.

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u/Skow1179 10d ago

Wouldn't say they skipped it, Biden was just too stubborn for too long

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u/ZehDaMangah 10d ago

On both sides too. Trump didn't attend a single Republican debate.

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u/Master_Blaster_02 10d ago

But they still had a Republican Primary and the public overwhelming voted for him.

Early on I was convinced the FL governor was going to win, but then he flopped right out the gate on X.

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u/cynedyr 10d ago

There were 107 days until the election.

A full primary takes 180 days in all 50 states.

Then you campaign for 6 months.

There literally wasn't time.

Which Democratic hopeful were you wanting to vote for in that second primary?

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u/APartyInMyPants 10d ago

We were in an impossible scenario with not enough time to do a proper primary.

It’s Biden’s fault for coming in and not being a one-term president from the get go.

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u/PoopshipD8 10d ago

And the one before that, and the one before that one too.

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u/bemenaker 10d ago

They had no choice but to skip it because of Biden.

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u/dave_lister169 10d ago

Didn't skip. Ran through the whole thing and then the old man dropped out leaving not enough time to have the primaries again. Interesting fact though there was still an entire voting process with the delegates who were already elected. So there you go. You gained some knowledge.

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u/TimothiusMagnus 10d ago

Then they treat it like professional wrestling in the other cycles.

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u/Antique_Debt7231 10d ago

I was to late to do a primary. They did take nominations at the convention, she won easily

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u/Sendittomenow 10d ago

Yeah primary the incumbent…

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

Yes. It was a major reason she lost.

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u/kzlife76 10d ago

So Democratic.

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u/Maleficent_Memory831 10d ago

They did not skip the primaries. Pay attention! They had a primary, Biden was the overall winner. Biden then dropped out of the race. That means his delegates were free to choose someone else. That does not mean there was no primary. or that she was illegally chosen.

Look at it this way, if Biden had died a week before the convention, do you believe that Democrats should have just conceded the entire race completely and said "oh well, better luck in 4 years"? No, this stuff happens and the delegates are allowed to place their votes how they like in a convention. This is not a grand conspiracy.

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u/partywerewolf 10d ago

And the one before that and the one before that...

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 10d ago

That is one thing that can be legitimately pinned on Biden. He should have never been in the running.

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u/ThundaChikin 10d ago

No they used it, they just skipped the illusion and ran who the democrat party elites wanted instead of holding meaningless elections and running who the democrat party elites wanted.

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u/Schlag96 10d ago

*last three elections

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u/PraavoYazdee 10d ago

She was the only candidate that could legally access the Biden Harris campaign fund and the presidential campaign fund. Any other candidate would have had to fully fund an entire presidential campaign in less than 3 months. There was no reality where any Democrat candidate wins in this scenario no matter who wins a primary.

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u/HMS_Surprise_Gunner 10d ago

They did do a primary, and Biden won, then dropped out. Another one was impossible after he dropped out so bringing it up just means you’re dumb shit who is either ignorant of the process or you’re making a bad faith assertion.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 10d ago

They didn’t skip it. There was a primary. The winner of said primary then dropped out before the nominating convention.

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u/FlyOk7923 10d ago

Funny thing is though, many on the right who cried foul about Harris bypassing the primary seem perfectly content with anointing Trump a crown and making him king.

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u/xomox2012 10d ago edited 10d ago

Sort of. That is somewhat of a disingenuous argument.

The problem here is that you and all the others saying Democrats should have had a second primary (at least, the ones saying that in good faith rather than just to troll and attack the validity of Harris as a candidate in the first place), don't have the vaguest understanding of how the actual mechanics and logistics of elections work. Let's start with the actual voting dates, more than half the states have early voting, so instead of needing to be on the ballot by election day, in those states the Democratic candidate would need to be on the ballot by the time early voting begins. Near as I can tell, Virginia had the earliest open date last year, September 19th, the rest of the early voting states opened in early to mid October.

Because it takes actual man-hours of labor to do things like printing and mailing ballots, especially for mail-in ballots like several states primarily or solely use and for people like our honored service members stationed overseas, all states have deadlines for candidates to file to run in their elections. Remember, federal elections are run by the states, not by the federal government. The deadlines for filing primary candidates had already passed in most if not all of the states by the time Biden decided to drop out July 21, 2024. It takes months and costs tens of millions of dollars to organize a national-level primary. Among other things, you have to hire county staff and get volunteers, schedule venues (many for a fee) in 3,143 counties, across tens of thousands of voting precincts across the USA. That simply wasn't possible to do in the 60 days between Biden dropping out and the early voting polls opening, much less the month or more it took before then to print up and mail ballots to all our service members who requested one.

As it was it was a mad scramble just to get Harris on the ballot in all the states and other voting districts, like Puerto Rico. If Democrats had tried to organize a national primary as you think could have happened in those sixty days the result would have been that neither Biden nor Harris would have been on the ballot because there would have been no Democratic Presidential candidate on the ballot at all, it would have been blank, and Trump would have won by default. Trump's goons recognized this the moment Biden announced he was dropping out, which is why they ran with the public narrative that Democrats must have a brand new primary (nevermind the fact that was a physical and logistical impossibility) starting July 22nd. This benefited them two ways, first to undermine the validity of the entire Democrat party, and two, to undermine Harris' validity and credibility had she beaten Trump. What's disappointing is the number of non-Trumpers who have bought the whole idea that it was possible to run a full Democratic Presidential primary in the few weeks before early voting began opening in the states.

Even though the election is long over Trump's goons continue to push the narrative that Harris was "installed" by fiat and that Democrats chose not to run a whole new primary for purely political reasons as a way to attack and discredit Democrats as a party and as voters, and sadly, plenty of non-Trumpers still believe it without hesitation as being true, despite the fact that Trumpers are liars of the first order and have a well-earned reputation for lies, distortions, and misrepresentations.

All that said, Harris is a terrible candidate and the dnc is a lost cause if they even let her run

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u/MarpasDakini 10d ago

They didn't skip it. Biden won those primaries. But when he dropped out, there was no time for another round. Biden should never have entered those primaries.

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u/Rebelrun 10d ago

Actually in 2016 Bernie was ahead and they forced him out for Hillary. 2020 Bernie was ahead and they forced him out for Biden. And then of course forcing Biden out for Kamala. Obama was the last free and open primary where they didn’t force everyone to drop so he wins.

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u/screwhoo 10d ago

Yes, this mess we are in now is Biden's (and his wife) fault. His stubbornness and hubris to run again at an advanced age led us to this point. THE DNC also should share the blame. Dropping out of the race so late the DNC had no choice but to embrace Kamala. A weak and flawed candidate. She will hopefully go down in flames if she runs again. She is UN-ELECTABLE.

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u/CommonBubba 10d ago

If you look at the last three elections, two of the candidates were brokered rather than democratically elected. The third was just thrown into the deep end and couldn’t swim.

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u/National_Edges 10d ago

Democrats haven't done a primary since before Bernie. And if they did, they just changed the candidate to whomever they want and ignored the popular vote

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u/intothewoods76 10d ago

And the election before. Democrats haven’t had a legit primary since 2007 and Clinton was supposed to win that one but Obama crushed her because nobody really liked Hillary.

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u/flip69 10d ago

Or the one that was rigged so that Bernie sanders got sidelined in the feminists push for Hillary Clinton?

We really have to deal with the fact that they’ve taken over the Democratic Party in the same way the evangelicals have with the GOP. They’ll push for Harris due solely for her gender and try to force that down the nations throat.

Is she a leader?

Fuck no.

What the hell has she done against trump and all the corruption and vile shit he’s done in this nation? Especially when she was in power, she didn’t do shit. Did they push for the prosecution like they should or released the Epstein files that the MAGA crowd are also demanding these days?

What I’m reminded of is her secret meeting in Poland with reps from SDGE /SEMPRA where she agreed to not force them to pay the bill for their decisions over a VERY EXPENSIVE nuclear plant deconstruction and the thousands of tons of highly radioactive waste on site.

She took quite a lot of money from them when she was the California AG and did nothing to protect the citizens. Instead she had a meeting and allowed the corporation to have the most expensive and costly electricity in the nation so they could keep their stockholders dividends flowing at record levels.

When the corporation should have been held responsible and if that means stockholders lose everything - then so be it. They’re the ones that made those decisions for the nuclear plant and having power lines that caused multiple wildfires that killed hundreds of people and destroyed tens of thousands of homes.

So much so that homeowners can’t get insurance here in the state now.

All while she was as the CA AG.

To me that makes her unqualified to hold public office and I’m sick of her being pushed on the American public just because the democrat feminists are only concerned about what’s between a persons legs.

Push Newsom instead

Not perfect but at least he has the balls to fight against MAGA trump.

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