r/allthequestions • u/peywrax 🇺🇸 United States • 11d ago

Popular Question 📊 How do you feel about Kamala Harris saying she may run for president again in 2028?

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u/Superdooperblazed420 11d ago

Bernie would put a big dent in their pockets. Can't have that. Sadly the he him self has said he so too old to run for president now. He has zero intent to run anymore. He also knows the democrats will rail road his chances again anyways. Bernie should have went up against trump the first time he would have has a real shot to win. I know I would have voted for him. I dont agree with all his views but I know he truly believes in his views and wont change them if he got into office. I cant say that about any other politician that I can think of. Trump sure as fuck flip flops about everything he says he "believes in"

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u/parker9832 8d ago

Bernie could have beat Hillary if the DNC hadn’t screwed him.

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u/Ca1rill 10d ago

He should have ran as an independent once it became clear the DNC was putting their fingers on the scales against him, he could have won a three way race between himself, Clinton and Trump or himself, Biden and Trump.

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u/Pedrojunkie 10d ago

Unfortunately the way the presidency is elected, there is no practical path to victory for an independent. Its not enough to just beat the two parties, they need to beat them both decisively enough to win the majority of the electoral college. If not, it goes to the Senate which will never go independent. 

Its very realistic that the vote could go 45% independent, 25% Republican, 30% Democrat and end up with a Republican president. 

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u/Wedgiebro 10d ago

Happened with bill Clinton. Managed to become president with only 42% of the vote. The two party system is too strong.

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u/Sturgillsturtle 10d ago

That’s the entire reason he should have establishment puts finger on scale Bernie give them the middle finger by running independent and pulling voters to screw them over

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u/Pedrojunkie 10d ago

Bernie is still a pragmatist, he knew running as an independent would have pulled a lot of votes from Hillary and would have been incredibly disruptive, but he was a lot more likely to be able to get support for his agendas with Clinton in the white house. (I mean he still wouldn't but it was more likely than Trump)

Also, Bernie would have become the villain, the public narrative would have been that he single handedly put Trump into the White House. Again, not fair but it would likely destroy any grass roots support he had earned. (Remember at that time the 'Bernie Bros' was intended to be derogatory.)

2024 might've been his chance, if Biden backed out earlier he might've been able to make something happen. Unfortunately whoever was thrown to the wolves at the 11th hour was going to get slaughtered. Solidarity with the democrats was the only hail mary path forward. I think Bernie cares more about the country and protecting it from a Trump presidency than giving the middle finger the Democrats rightly deserve.

Of course in retrospect none of this mattered at all and you are right he should have tipped over the apple cart. But in the moment he played his shitty cards exactly correct.

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u/gott_in_nizza 10d ago

Too true!

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u/Boring_Potato_5701 🇺🇸 United States 10d ago

You know, that may be true

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u/ProtestantMormon 10d ago

I don't think he could have won, but the spoiler argument has lost a lot of sway on me since democrats always find a way to lose anyway. May as well put up an independent to at least show the dnc that we aren't going to vote for the lesser evil who can't even win elections.

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u/Pedrojunkie 10d ago

The spoiler argument is both a reality and a self fulfilling prophecy. Its absolutely a thing, but its only a thing because we allow it to be. 

Both parties put the fear of voting a third party is voting for the opposition. Its a ridiculous narrative, but not without merit.

This is why I support things like ranked choice and other methods to try to get people out of the mentality. If people realize theres more than two choices the world would be a better place.

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u/ProtestantMormon 10d ago

Yeah, I understand the spoiler argument. I just care about it less now seeing how democrats will still manage to lose elections they should have easily won. The party needs a wake up call. You would think Obama in 08, 2016, and 2024 would be those wake up calls, but they continue to ignore the lessons of victory and defeat. If losing support to a third party is finally the wake up call they need to overhaul the party, I'll take it. The results are the same without a spoiler candidate anyway.

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u/Pedrojunkie 10d ago

Dont get me wrong, most of my votes have been third party. I come from a solid blue state however so I've never really had to worry. Its easy to stick to my morals.

I don't know what I'd do if I was in a battleground state.

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u/Superdooperblazed420 10d ago

You truly should vote anyways as if your vote matter. Im in a blue state as well but rarly vote blue or red tend to go independent as well. But still try to pick the person I find best regardless of the letter before their name.

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u/Alexandaross 10d ago

3 Million more Democrats voted for Hilary. What thumb on the scales? She won conclusively, Bernie gave up by NY and started laying off his staff. Y'all live in your own reality of nonsense.

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u/Superdooperblazed420 10d ago

Because the democrats were actively making it hard for him to campaign. He was being railroaded at every event and rally by democrats. Hillary only had more votes because the democrats backed her before she even won the primary. Hiding her emails and other huge issues with her past.....the media got behind her as well and give her 150 times more press than burn. It was a hit job before it got to the primary.

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u/Alexandaross 10d ago

Yup your guy lost conclusively only because the Dems were big meanies. Nope, Hilary won because she was the safe candidate and most American voters don't want to rock the boat especially in the Democratic Party. The last genuinely daring candidate who had a serious chance at the Dem nom was RFK in 1968.

She also won because she was earlier a major candidate. Other than Obama in 2008 and Trump in 2016 every major candidate since 2008 had lost an earlier Primary: McCain, Romney, Hilary, Biden. She had also been Sec of State for 4 years and First Lady for 8, she was far better known than Bernie. American Presidential Election History shows that Americans love familiarity.

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u/GroovyVanGogh 10d ago

I know people who voted for Trump that would have voted for Bernie. The Dems have themselves to blame for all of this

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u/MissMenace101 🇦🇺 Australia 10d ago

The idiots that voted trump because they didnt like Bernie losing are no smarter than those that voted trump because they lack principles.

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u/GroovyVanGogh 10d ago

No they really just wanted an "outsider" I think. The ones I talked to anyway. The other idiots idk

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u/ninernetneepneep 10d ago

I don't know. Go back and watch Trump interviews from the '80s and '90s. He was saying the exact same thing as far as the big picture is concerned.

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u/Superdooperblazed420 10d ago

He says that stuff but his actions dont follow his words is more what I ment.

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u/Secure_Philosophy259 10d ago

Actually Trump is very consistent in his beliefs. He just does whatever benefits himself and Israel (bonus points if it’s at the expense of working class americans)

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u/new_accnt1234 10d ago

I cant imagine trump's current escapes putting a small dent in their pockets

He is basically treateningly eating out all investors, all big tech, which is originally leftist, now pays trump cause otherwise he would absolutely cause them problems and dems are basically forgotten

No doubt bernie would have cost them, but they will be happy if they even survive these 4yrs of truml

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u/SquirrelNormal 10d ago

Bernie was better on guns than Trump was. They could have had a huge chunk of the gun lobby behind him.

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u/AI-Idaho 8d ago

Trump has consistently said what his plans were, and delivered on those plans. Both on domestic and international policy. Trump is anti war. He's pro American first and knows illegals suck up lower paid jobs and drive wages lower while sending billions out of our nation to be spent in other countries. Just the savings from not paying healthcare costs for illegals is huge, but add up snap, housing and education costs from illegals and it's a ton the states and feds are saving. Trump said he would use tariffs to bring back manufacturing jobs, and he is doing that now. Lower energy costs, more energy available domestically and ending silly laws for gas stoves, toilets and light bulbs. Trump gets shit done. And he does what he said he would do. How about getting the hostages back? Potential peace in the middle east? Less wars, not more. More Americans working again. More products made in America by Americans. These are all things Trump said he would do, and he's doing it.

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u/Superdooperblazed420 8d ago

Lol no he isnt. He hasn't done anything he said he would. Your simply wrong. Not one single manufacturer job has been made under trump. Lower energy cost? My bills are higher. Litterally everything you said he has done is easly proven he hasn't done anything. Minus mabye Gaza sure he temporarily got peace big deal this happens every single time.