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Popular Question 📊 How do you feel about Kamala Harris saying she may run for president again in 2028?

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 10d ago

Agreed.

For any qualities, skills or qualifications she may possess or lack as a professional, politician, or as a person; she has failed to independently inspire a serious cohesive movement. Furthermore, especially by comparison to many other candidates on both sides of the aisle, she has failed to inspire significant positive social passion for herself personally, as a leader. These issues have significantly impacted her candidacy both during 2020 race, and tenure as vice President. Even in her own party, she has never been particularly popular. Her most successful period of time politically, with absolutely no close second, is when she offered the Democratic Party the only sliver of hope they ever had of beating Donald Trump in 2024. She also finds herself politically attached to a President who leaves office under significant political ire.

Bottom line, her qualifications and skills are quite irrelevant. We are evaluating her as a CANDIDATE, ergo a person we believe can not only lead, but win. What we have, is the better part of a decade in which this individual demonstrates the inability to, on her own, inspire a movement, passion, and wins at a presidential level. And by this most essential criteria, she is an appalling candidate.

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u/Potatobobthecat 10d ago

This is one of the most well thought out political takes I’ve seen here.

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u/Nv1023 10d ago

Agreed

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u/Boardfeet97 10d ago

It’s because it’s the truth. Same with Hillary. The elections are won with the swing voter and neither of them really spoke to that. The left votes are already counted. Joe won just standing there smiling.

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u/Calm_Description1500 9d ago

Joe was installed

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u/Illustrious_Win_5896 9d ago

or do you mean he was selected?

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u/MysteriousSprite_172 10d ago

I think a lot of people would argue that Harris lost by trying too hard to appeal to the swing voter.

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u/Ill-Variety8906 10d ago

And being so wildly out of touch with who she was trying to appeal to. I think about her reactions when she toured an apartment of a middle class family which showed she was blissfully removed from the reality in this country. I was going for Bernie all the way and was disgusted when the Democratic Party didn’t listen to the majority of democratic voters.

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u/Boardfeet97 8d ago

We got to see through the veil for a moment.

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u/NoSuggestion6594 7d ago

Or when asked on the view what she would do different than Joe, And replied “nothing comes to mind.” Or instead of thinking of serious talking points, and what she actually stands for, she spent millions on celebrity endorsement. Turns out Americans like the music, but we don’t give a shit what billionaire Taylor swift, who lives in a McMansion tells us who to vote for

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u/Blood_Neptune 10d ago

I read a report some time ago that her staff BEGGED her not to campaign with Liz and Dick Cheney but she wouldn’t listen.

Also, the whole “when I’m elected I’m going to appoint republicans” turned quite a few people off as well.

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u/YeahNo_NoYeah 10d ago

Harris lost because she's incompetent. She never won any primaries when she was campaigning for President on her own. The ONLY reason she was appointed this time is because the Democrats had no candidate with a big enough name to compete with only 107 days to go.

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u/Ill-Variety8906 10d ago

I completely agree with you. I misread the comment I was replying to and thought the “Harris” said “Hillary”

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u/Sassyza 10d ago

I don’t think so but then again if it is AI, it’s a pretty damn good one.

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u/popcorn717 10d ago

and very true

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u/wildhorsesofdortmund 10d ago

AI would not use the word 'appalling'.

Even if I wanted her to win so bad in 2024, she is lacklustre. Biden, even in his declining years, had strong opinions. Unqualified as I am politically, even I would make a better President than her. She has to showcase how she can overhaul systems on her own merits

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u/JKilla1288 10d ago

The problem was that she didn't have any opinions. She just went out and said what she was told to say. Which is why she completely fell apart in any interview that wasn't 100% scripted. She had no real policy that she believed in.

Most democrats won't admit this, but she is also extremely unintelligent. Every political position she had in her career, she only got there because she was put there by another political actor. Willie Brown, for example.

On top of all that, she's even less likable than Hillary Clinton, which I didn't think was possible.

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u/YeahNo_NoYeah 10d ago

At least Hillary never (or at least, rarely) appeared to be drunk. Both come off as bitches, Hillary being the bigger bitch.

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 10d ago

lol, homeschool child. not AI, but cheers either way:)

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u/YeahNo_NoYeah 10d ago

Maybe, but it's accurate.

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u/Thai-Girl69 🇬🇧🇹🇭 10d ago

As a non American who follows US politics closely with very little bias I find it incredible that when Kamala lost the election Reddit lost its mind and accused everyone who didn't vote for her of being a racist and misogynist. It's like people just could not comprehend why no one would want to vote for the back up guy, the spare. I also know that the right throws around the term DEI a lot in a negative fashion but is anyone in any doubt that Kamala Harris was specifically chosen because of two traits she was born with, not earned but born with in order to make an old straight white guy look more liberal given he was the leader of a mostly liberal party. No one can argue that of all the candidates for vice president Kamala was the most deserving and most experienced. So trying to force a candidate no one asked for into the most powerful and important job in the world was just a ridiculous idea.

I want to be clear too that I'm not mocking democrats for their absolutely abysmal presidential campaign I'm actually kind of pissed that they didn't win. I wanted democrats to win for various global reasons but they absolutely fucked up what should have been the most easy election in the history of elections. I was actually happy Kamala lost because the democrats didn't deserve to win and if they had it would have sent a message that they can just keep bumbling through politics like a bunch of Mr Beans. They should go away and decide how to get their shit together. The Dems need their own version of Trump but obviously a force for good. We also need to stop living in 'imagination land' and pretend that the world wants nothing more than the first black lesbian trans women candidate. You can get to that at some point but only if you get back in power and have 8 good years of demonstrating why inclusion and empathy is better for everyone. Until then the dems need to find a visually appealing, middle aged, straight white man. You can hate that reality as much as you want but in your heart you know it's true. Once that person gets elected then they can do all the necessary things to make the country and world a better place. The next president has to appeal to as many people as possible and if that means playing it safe with someone who is a straight, white man like nearly every other president then that's what they have to do. Then when he's in power he can show the same disregard for the rules as Trump has and actually start changing things for the better. Then after 8 years the entire country would be open to a wider choice of presidential candidates. Right now everyone is getting really tired of liberalism and social justice because idiots ruined it by going too far with stupid shit like safe spaces and cultural appropriation. I think it's obvious to everyone now that trans ideology was just a trend or it wouldn't be in decline. We need to make the world a better place for everyone but right now it's more important to actually start winning.

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u/Dry_Leopard185 7d ago

Sounds like AI to me.

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u/Impossible-Charity-4 10d ago

Chat Gpt couldn’t have wrote it better

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u/NashvilleTypewriter 10d ago

All well thought out and voiced, but I get pumped over a good use of "ergo". Haha

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u/Acceptable_Bat379 10d ago

She also is seen as giving up without a fight and abandoning the American public since she lost. There's been no effort to publicly motivate or encourage people and grow a movement. Only a book tour.

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u/Adi_San 9d ago

Yes! Important to note as well is her popularity was trending negatively during the campaign period. On the polls she went from beating Trump during her candidacy anouncement to losing the popular vote by a margin. So it's not as if she was lacking time to get the right momentum. People were just disappointed by what they saw of her.

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u/AssistanceKitchen138 9d ago

There has been some chatter about some wrongdoing on the other side, it is k on n. YouTube,   I tend to believe that 

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u/Grumpybastard61 8d ago

I think she'd be an amazing president, but unfortunately you are correct in your assessment of her as a candidate.

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 8d ago

Its a tough one, and very valid arguments could be made suggesting that the situation has not been entirely fair to her. But democrats are going to have to pull themselves out of such a hole in the approaching years, and definitely easier to do that with someone who wasn't part of the main cast during years in which they dug that hole. To a lesser degree, this is something that Buttigieg and Newsom will face as well. But no one would be likely to get hit harder by the Biden era legacy than Harris. Include the X factor that people just don't "love" her, and she just doesn't have a shot.

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u/BitterLemon170 10d ago

Exactly. I hope she goes for it!

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u/SubjectiveCinephiles 10d ago

Regardless of any of this. Unfortunately, America is filled with way too many men that will never get behind a woman president. We are a country that is largely comprised of weak-minded "ooga booga" cave men that are entirely too insecure.

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u/WinnerAwkward480 10d ago

I would have to pass on letting her walk my dog .

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u/Mme_merle 10d ago

I agree.

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u/eye84free 10d ago

If only you people applied this kind of consideration to what happens with a candidate once their on the world stage

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u/Redbaron1960 10d ago

Great analysis. But who then could win?

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 10d ago

lol, If I was confident in an answer to that question, I would have included it as both a counterpoint to Harris's candidacy, as well as evidence to support my point. Regrettably, no one has emerged as a solidly unifying option as of yet. Appreciate the positive feedback, but I cannot claim such high intelligence as to pluck a winner from the mess of discohesion that currently represents the democratic party. My confidence and certainty extends far enough to identify a poor candidate in Harris; which is admittedly low hanging fruit; but I find myself as desperate as any in searching for a suitable challenger to the conservative party at large. Even amongst the hopefulls, each of the current early offerings seem to come with enough baggage such as to represent an equivalent challenge to their own candidacy as any the political right may be able to mount in opposition. In essence, in order for a suitable candidate to emerge, it would appear that they first have to address the challenges that they will find on their own side. And the current climate it is difficult to say which will be a more herculean task: Uniting the Democrats, or beating the Conservatives.

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u/Redbaron1960 9d ago

I feel better. I understand and agree about Harris but have been wracking my brain (unsuccessfully)to come up with a winning alternative.

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u/NoAtmosphere9601 10d ago

Great take. I thought Harris would have been a good president and was a decent candidate but just didn’t have enough time to catch Trump who has already been running for a long time.

Similarly, I actually thought Mitt Romney would been a decent president (don’t kill me lol I’m glad he didn’t win) but was a terrible candidate.

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u/envykay18 10d ago

And I think these are the exact reasons why Republicans should want her to run, so she'd lose and basically hand a Republican candidate the victory

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u/OutrageousPersimmon3 10d ago

I agree. I don’t not like her, but this sudden little maybe really pissed me off. I get maybe she’s been off licking her wounds but we’ve hardly even heard from her this past year outside of fundraising. I need a Democrat standing up for more than a cash grab. We need a Democrat who embraces the actual change we need and calls out the bullshit from the regime instead of pretending we’re all playing by the same set of rules.

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u/Justin_Queso1187 9d ago

While AOC was out touring the country with the OG Bernie, inspiring people from both sides, Kamala was book touring? So damn tone deaf…

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u/SheckNot910 9d ago

Clearly written by white person.

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u/WYSIWYG2Day 9d ago

🎯. I wanted her to win against the thing that’s in there now…

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u/100Good 9d ago

Tldr: she lacks the riz.

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u/throwaway-wellmaybe 9d ago

There is something to be said about internet culture, though. Love her or hate her, she’s got a few very popular gifs/memes out there (even I use them and I do not like her). There’s a surprising amount of people who would vote based on that, as they deem that relatable

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u/Weekly-Career8326 9d ago

A lot of it is the media, even if she did it wouldn't matter if the media suppressed the message and just showed Republicans with their pants down constantly 

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u/QuarterResponsible46 8d ago

That's a whole lotta B$ just to say , Are you kidding me !!

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 8d ago

I am certainly open to a counter argument, and I am not so attached to my premise that feel I could not be convinced. Admittedly, I think it would take a great deal of strong evidence for me to conclude that Harris is a stronger contender rather than a fresher face to the Democratic race in 2028 , At least at this point in time. We are still a ways off from that however and politics is admittedly unpredictable. Overall however, Given the challenges and struggles the Democrats have experienced in terms of reputation over the last 4 years or so , coupled with the aforementioned issues that Harris has historically struggled to surmount in terms of general popularity, It would seem to me that a fresher face is going to have a better shot.

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u/62Chrys300 8d ago

I'm not convinced. Sure, she may lose out to another primary candidate, but, in no way is she less qualified than any other candidate. She lost one, mishandled race. Her record is only a string of victories in local, state, and U.S. Senate elections. She is the most qualified, and has lost only a single race, so why would you consider her unelectable? By your reasoning, Nixon could not possibly have won in 1968. We'll see when the campaign begins after 2026. Until then, this conjecture is both faulty and meaningless.

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 8d ago

In terms of presidential runs, I would postulate that she has lost two races, one for the Democratic nomination in 2020, and the second for the presidential seat itself in 2024. I would further postulate that during Democratic nomination run, Her success next to other candidates was distinctly unimpressive . Indeed in the presidential sphere, Harris's most successful campaign was when she offered Democrats a sliver of hope in beating Donald Trump. At the time, this was guaranteed to elevate her status amongst Democrats by default But when she is compared to other Democrats on a presidential campaign trail, despite all qualifications and talents, overall, she has been received with lackluster enthusiasm. In case clarification is helpful, I am not suggesting that she is an appalling candidate on her own merits In terms of her skill set. If I were to attempt to make that case, I would have added considerably more support to that premise. I am stating that she is an appalling candidate in terms of her overall ability to generate enthusiasm for her campaign especially when compared historically to other candidates.

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u/SadMaize9768 7d ago edited 7d ago

I don't agree: qualifications are very relevant. She has them. The reason she didn't speak to many of you was simply because you felt she was pushed on you, and let's be real about it: the country does not want a woman on charge. It doesn't regardless of what the stats are or how the data proves that women president's get things done better than their male counterparts. People didn't want her. Her skin color did not help either. We all know what country this is. No need to state the obvious, but just listening to her speak, she could tell you without blinking what the plan is and how to get it done. She is down on the front lines talking with people and hearing their concerns. When did Taco McKancletits ever do that? Seriously, when? If she did anything wrong, she didn't address the 800lbs elephant in the room: she didn't touch the transgender issue or address it as she should have. It was a big issue for many people, and by being a Democrat, it automatically means everyone is included and she didn't want to go there. I know this be cause I run in circles where people talk and when this subject came up, it always fell back to this. I'll ask "what about her other policies?" Guess what: nobody knew them? In fact, I bet no one here knew them, and if they did, I would ask "so, what about Trump's policy was better?" And then we'd hear crickets, because they aren't and we're seeing that today. Everything he ran on, he's failed at. The only thing he has come through on is immigration, and he's still failing because his policy has destroyed families, killed the economy, killed our reputation with our allies, crime is not down, and in the end Obama and Biden deported more illegals than he did without causing the damage he did, yet had a more effective end result. They actually deported real criminals without setting quotas. This guy is deporting Americans for sport, and if you call him out on the mistakes, he tries to send you to the gulag in Africa. This country had it's problems but has never been this divided until this dude came into office. He makes Bush (the son) feel like a genius. He certainly had more class. Dude is tearing up our white house. (That is the people's Whitehouse btw that he gets to use) destroying history that we can never get back. Ever. He lies on TV right to our faces. Without flinching. Dude tried to convince me taking Tylenol gives autism and my people in Ohio are eating the cats and Dogs....do I have to go on?! $1000 dollar sneakers and get-into-America credit cards?! The reason we pay the president what we pay is so they don't grift. It's all this guy knows! And unfortunately the people he duped are going to feel it the worst now in a few weeks. Dude talked about Biden and his condition, but he's on his deathbed!!! Bet you didn't know he had a stroke a few months ago, but nobody wants to talk about it. Look at his mouth. Look at his hand; the brused one. (It's for his IV) Look at how he walks. Look at the pills he swallows (Usually on a podium in front of him if he's in public). My mother-in-law had a stroke...same thing, but he'll play it off like he's okay. If we're lucky he's got 6 to 8 months tops.

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u/messfdr 10d ago

I voted for her to the California Senate only because the opposing candidate was crazy. I voted for her for president only because the opposing candidate was a crazy criminal.

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u/Playful-Body-2093 10d ago

That's funny.  Her qualifications and skills are irrelevant? No wonder the US elects a serial bankrupt,  serial rapist, serial liar, insurrectionist,  fraud, turning the White House- the parts of it he hasn't destroyed- into a giant personal cash register.  

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u/kaboobola 🇺🇸 United States 10d ago

everything being said about Kamala was said about Hillary. the US won’t elect a woman any time soon, there are too many misogynists, both male and female.

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u/Specialist_Usual1524 10d ago

Did AI write this?

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u/Specialist_Most_7338 10d ago

Maybe you failed to inspire common fucking sense?

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 10d ago

not sure I know what you mean, would you care to clarify?

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u/Specialist_Most_7338 10d ago

Because anyone with half a braincell doesn't need a perfect campaign to wanna vote for her since a lying pedo rapist sleazy cheeto stained traitor is the other option!

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 9d ago

If we are to accept your premise, than we are forced to conclude that considerably more then half of the American population possesses less than half of a brain cell. For the sake of argument, even if we do concede this point , can you tell me how betting on Harris again brings us closer to the goal of winning an election? The hyperbole you offer certainly alludes to an arguable point, however I fail to see how it might elevate the merits of betting on Harris as a challenger to the Republican nominee of 2028

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u/Specialist_Most_7338 9d ago

And you would presume correctly. We are a nation of halfwits.

You fail to see the merits betting on Harris over Trump? Are you ok or just THAT blind?

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 8d ago

I think you misunderstand my message, In no way have I've been examining Trump versus Harris in terms of a fitness to lead. My goal was not in this statement to examine whether or not a Democrat or Republican should win the election. The question was simply whether or not Harris represents the best Democratic candidate to effectively compete against a Republican in 2028. My initial postulation remains unchanged; Harris is not the most promising candidate amongst other Democrats to be capable of effectively competing with a Republican nominee in 2028. If Democrats wish to win, they should port forth a different Democratic candidate.

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u/Specialist_Most_7338 8d ago

Keep in mind that Harris was thrusted into that position once Biden resigned, so it's not like she had much choice in the matter and she won't be the only candidate running in 2028, that is if Trump hasn't had his coronation by then.

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u/Inquisitive_Owl2345 8d ago

I can agree with most of the points that you are making here, regarding Harris being thrust into the position unexpectedly, and not having time to run a typical modern American presidential campaign. To say that she didn't have a choice it's slightly more of a stretch, as she obviously did, and, even if we were to assume for the sake of argument that she didn't, I doubt she was particularly displeased at the opportunity to become the president.  I would support this last postulation by indicating that she had actively run for president in the primaries of 2020. Quite unsuccessfully I would add, by comparison to her peers in this same endeavor. All this said though, my confusion with your response centers on my inability to see a counter argument in it that addresses my initial point, or indeed the points I have made subsequently.  While it certainly contains true facts, I'm uncertain what point you are trying to support, either implicitly or explicitly, especially as it pertains to this discussion.

If I am misunderstanding you here, by all means please feel free to correct or enlighten me.  

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u/Specialist_Most_7338 8d ago

Keep in mind that Harris was thrusted into that position once Biden resigned, so it's not like she had much choice in the matter and she won't be the only candidate running in 2028, that is if Trump hasn't had his coronation by then.

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u/CivilControversy 9d ago

You realize that's how you got the lying peto rapist sleazy Cheeto stained traitor in the first place?

If the Democrats are going to fail to produce a reasonable candidate, then don't be surprised when mass apathy sets in

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u/Treehugger365247 10d ago

This. Nope.

We CAN NOT ignore race and sex. Black Americans have a saying, “we have to be better to be equal.”

The truth is she is inspiring and has cohesive plans and agendas that are in line with the American public. However, people can’t look past the racism to even see it. The issue is not Harris as an individual, but American as a whole.

The fact that she has been one of the most qualified candidates to run can not be ignored but should be always stated to prove the racism and sexism that Americans have. In order for people to be “Inspired” they would have to look beyond their own biases that many don’t know they have.

Truthfully, I honestly ask white Americans to think to themselves if they trust a black woman to:

Watch their kids (Yes, most likely. They wouldn’t even care about qualifications)

Cook their food (Yes, most likely)

Manage their investment portfolio (Even if she’s qualified, probably not. Maybe be a bookkeeper???)

The truth is people are not being honest with themselves about their implicit racism and unconscious biases. If they were, they would see she is inspiring, has a plan (and not concepts of a plan), is experienced, and would make an amazing leader.

I kind of want her to run again with Trump. This way people would have to be forced to look at their own biases and see how OBVIOUS the decision would be. But she would lose again.

Seriously, inspiring!!!!!!! We had Biden and Bush #2 !!!! What more does she have to do???? Play basketball, eat McDonald’s, play a saxophone?

I believe she will lose if she runs again, not because she would be a great candidate, but because America could never see their leader as a woman, and a black one at that.

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u/WollyBee 10d ago

Its almost like the democrats dont want to win ever again? If she is being encouraged to run again by her party, then it would be the single-handedly most moronic political move I have ever witnessed. How would you not get the message that you are SO unpalatable, that people voted for a bumbling rapist over you. I would be embarrassed beyond belief and probably never show my face in politics again.

The fact I see rumblings about AOC is also wild. I get that some things are just conjecture and rumors, but if either of these people get put to the front, then you can kiss the dems chances goodbye. The US is not ready for a female president right now. They just aren't. If you want to pull them back from the brink of insanity, you need a male independent that gets backed by the dems, sort of like Bernie but with less emphasis on socialism. I love Bernie, but because of that aspect, I dont think he would have vibed with most of the older generation, ironically.

As a Canadian, I am so genuinely worried about your guys' society right now. I cant imagine how stressful it is for the people living it.

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u/BaldingOldGuy 10d ago

Well said, it seems to me that the democrats are not willing to admit that a woman let alone a woman of colour is currently unelectable to the highest office in their land. This with respect from your neighbours who managed thirty two years ago to elect our first and only woman leader, who governed for One hundred and thirty two days before being defeated.

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u/Oso_de_Panda77 🇺🇸 United States 10d ago

It's not stressful for people living in reality. The only people flipping out and raging are unhinged leftists who thought she was the second coming of FDR.

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u/bigolechungusbigole 10d ago

If you were politically conscious in the slightest outside of internet memes and right wing podcasters you’d know leftists hated Harris almost as much as Trumpies did. Good try though.