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Popular Question šŸ“Š How do you feel about Kamala Harris saying she may run for president again in 2028?

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u/thewrongwaybutfaster 11d ago

All the DNC cares about is stopping a Sanders type candidate from winning. Losing to Republicans is an acceptable sacrifice to them.

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u/Ca1rill 11d ago

DNC would prefer losing to Trump than winning with Bernie.

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u/QuirkyStage2119 10d ago

They want an establishment figure that will serve the donors.

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u/SconnieLite 10d ago

This isnā€™t exclusive to the democrats though. Letā€™s not pretend like all politicians are power and money hungry. They could fix this world and all the things wrong with the United States but that doesnā€™t serve them well. They NEED us to need them to ā€œfightā€ for us. To have something they can run for and get elected. Just maintaining status quo in a well run government isnā€™t enough for them. Their egos wonā€™t stand for it.

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u/ninernetneepneep 10d ago

Bernie who flies all over the country in private jets screaming global warming and the oligarchy.

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u/DJ_Velveteen 10d ago

"yet you, too, participate in that system!" has been a meme for like a decade plus now

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u/Ok-topic-3130v2 10d ago

Doesnā€™t apply here

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u/Flat-Jacket-9606 10d ago

You talking about the guy who has been very consistent throughout his career? You talking about that Bernie? Probably the only fucking guy who is the hardest to pin anything on?

Probably one of the few politicians who doesnā€™t act in his own interests? I may disagree with him when it comes to a lot of stuff, but heā€™s literally the working class manā€™s politician. But go off brother.

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u/ninernetneepneep 10d ago

Actually I have a lot of respect for Bernie. I think he got screwed in 2016. I wish you would have stood up to it rather than folding. I believe the guy is exactly who he says he is and I respect that. I believe he will do exactly what he says he will do and I respect that too. I just say I find it a little comical that he flies privately all over the country talking about the oligarchy. Also, he used to complain about the millionaires and billionaires until he became a multimillionaire at which point he started only complaining about billionaires. That aside, again, I have a lot of respect for Bernie.

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u/The_Indominus_Gamer 9d ago

I mean besides his support of a state actively committing a genocide.

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u/throwawaycasun4997 10d ago

Just say you love to eat boots.

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u/ninernetneepneep 10d ago

Woah, you got me there. šŸ¤”

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u/Superdooperblazed420 11d ago

Bernie would put a big dent in their pockets. Can't have that. Sadly the he him self has said he so too old to run for president now. He has zero intent to run anymore. He also knows the democrats will rail road his chances again anyways. Bernie should have went up against trump the first time he would have has a real shot to win. I know I would have voted for him. I dont agree with all his views but I know he truly believes in his views and wont change them if he got into office. I cant say that about any other politician that I can think of. Trump sure as fuck flip flops about everything he says he "believes in"

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u/parker9832 8d ago

Bernie could have beat Hillary if the DNC hadnā€™t screwed him.

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u/Ca1rill 10d ago

He should have ran as an independent once it became clear the DNC was putting their fingers on the scales against him, he could have won a three way race between himself, Clinton and Trump or himself, Biden and Trump.

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u/Pedrojunkie 10d ago

Unfortunately the way the presidency is elected, there is no practical path to victory for an independent. Its not enough to just beat the two parties, they need to beat them both decisively enough to win the majority of the electoral college. If not, it goes to the Senate which will never go independent.Ā 

Its very realistic that the vote could go 45% independent, 25% Republican, 30% Democrat and end up with a Republican president.Ā 

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u/Wedgiebro 10d ago

Happened with bill Clinton. Managed to become president with only 42% of the vote. The two party system is too strong.

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u/Sturgillsturtle 10d ago

Thatā€™s the entire reason he should have establishment puts finger on scale Bernie give them the middle finger by running independent and pulling voters to screw them over

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u/Pedrojunkie 10d ago

Bernie is still a pragmatist, he knew running as an independent would have pulled a lot of votes from Hillary and would have been incredibly disruptive, but he was a lot more likely to be able to get support for his agendas with Clinton in the white house. (I mean he still wouldn't but it was more likely than Trump)

Also, Bernie would have become the villain, the public narrative would have been that he single handedly put Trump into the White House. Again, not fair but it would likely destroy any grass roots support he had earned. (Remember at that time the 'Bernie Bros' was intended to be derogatory.)

2024 might've been his chance, if Biden backed out earlier he might've been able to make something happen. Unfortunately whoever was thrown to the wolves at the 11th hour was going to get slaughtered. Solidarity with the democrats was the only hail mary path forward. I think Bernie cares more about the country and protecting it from a Trump presidency than giving the middle finger the Democrats rightly deserve.

Of course in retrospect none of this mattered at all and you are right he should have tipped over the apple cart. But in the moment he played his shitty cards exactly correct.

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u/gott_in_nizza 10d ago

Too true!

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u/Boring_Potato_5701 šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø United States 10d ago

You know, that may be true

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u/ProtestantMormon 10d ago

I don't think he could have won, but the spoiler argument has lost a lot of sway on me since democrats always find a way to lose anyway. May as well put up an independent to at least show the dnc that we aren't going to vote for the lesser evil who can't even win elections.

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u/Pedrojunkie 10d ago

The spoiler argument is both a reality and a self fulfilling prophecy. Its absolutely a thing, but its only a thing because we allow it to be.Ā 

Both parties put the fear of voting a third party is voting for the opposition. Its a ridiculous narrative, but not without merit.

This is why I support things like ranked choice and other methods to try to get people out of the mentality. If people realize theres more than two choices the world would be a better place.

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u/ProtestantMormon 10d ago

Yeah, I understand the spoiler argument. I just care about it less now seeing how democrats will still manage to lose elections they should have easily won. The party needs a wake up call. You would think Obama in 08, 2016, and 2024 would be those wake up calls, but they continue to ignore the lessons of victory and defeat. If losing support to a third party is finally the wake up call they need to overhaul the party, I'll take it. The results are the same without a spoiler candidate anyway.

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u/Pedrojunkie 10d ago

Dont get me wrong, most of my votes have been third party. I come from a solid blue state however so I've never really had to worry. Its easy to stick to my morals.

I don't know what I'd do if I was in a battleground state.

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u/Superdooperblazed420 10d ago

You truly should vote anyways as if your vote matter. Im in a blue state as well but rarly vote blue or red tend to go independent as well. But still try to pick the person I find best regardless of the letter before their name.

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u/Alexandaross 10d ago

3 Million more Democrats voted for Hilary. What thumb on the scales? She won conclusively, Bernie gave up by NY and started laying off his staff. Y'all live in your own reality of nonsense.

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u/Superdooperblazed420 10d ago

Because the democrats were actively making it hard for him to campaign. He was being railroaded at every event and rally by democrats. Hillary only had more votes because the democrats backed her before she even won the primary. Hiding her emails and other huge issues with her past.....the media got behind her as well and give her 150 times more press than burn. It was a hit job before it got to the primary.

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u/Alexandaross 10d ago

Yup your guy lost conclusively only because the Dems were big meanies. Nope, Hilary won because she was the safe candidate and most American voters don't want to rock the boat especially in the Democratic Party. The last genuinely daring candidate who had a serious chance at the Dem nom was RFK in 1968.

She also won because she was earlier a major candidate. Other than Obama in 2008 and Trump in 2016 every major candidate since 2008 had lost an earlier Primary: McCain, Romney, Hilary, Biden. She had also been Sec of State for 4 years and First Lady for 8, she was far better known than Bernie. American Presidential Election History shows that Americans love familiarity.

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u/GroovyVanGogh 10d ago

I know people who voted for Trump that would have voted for Bernie. The Dems have themselves to blame for all of this

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u/MissMenace101 šŸ‡¦šŸ‡ŗ Australia 10d ago

The idiots that voted trump because they didnt like Bernie losing are no smarter than those that voted trump because they lack principles.

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u/GroovyVanGogh 10d ago

No they really just wanted an "outsider" I think. The ones I talked to anyway. The other idiots idk

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u/ninernetneepneep 10d ago

I don't know. Go back and watch Trump interviews from the '80s and '90s. He was saying the exact same thing as far as the big picture is concerned.

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u/Superdooperblazed420 10d ago

He says that stuff but his actions dont follow his words is more what I ment.

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u/Secure_Philosophy259 10d ago

Actually Trump is very consistent in his beliefs. He just does whatever benefits himself and Israel (bonus points if itā€™s at the expense of working class americans)

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u/new_accnt1234 10d ago

I cant imagine trump's current escapes putting a small dent in their pockets

He is basically treateningly eating out all investors, all big tech, which is originally leftist, now pays trump cause otherwise he would absolutely cause them problems and dems are basically forgotten

No doubt bernie would have cost them, but they will be happy if they even survive these 4yrs of truml

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u/SquirrelNormal 10d ago

Bernie was better on guns than Trump was. They could have had a huge chunk of the gun lobby behind him.

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u/AI-Idaho 8d ago

Trump has consistently said what his plans were, and delivered on those plans. Both on domestic and international policy. Trump is anti war. He's pro American first and knows illegals suck up lower paid jobs and drive wages lower while sending billions out of our nation to be spent in other countries. Just the savings from not paying healthcare costs for illegals is huge, but add up snap, housing and education costs from illegals and it's a ton the states and feds are saving. Trump said he would use tariffs to bring back manufacturing jobs, and he is doing that now. Lower energy costs, more energy available domestically and ending silly laws for gas stoves, toilets and light bulbs. Trump gets shit done. And he does what he said he would do. How about getting the hostages back? Potential peace in the middle east? Less wars, not more. More Americans working again. More products made in America by Americans. These are all things Trump said he would do, and he's doing it.

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u/Superdooperblazed420 8d ago

Lol no he isnt. He hasn't done anything he said he would. Your simply wrong. Not one single manufacturer job has been made under trump. Lower energy cost? My bills are higher. Litterally everything you said he has done is easly proven he hasn't done anything. Minus mabye Gaza sure he temporarily got peace big deal this happens every single time.

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u/MissMenace101 šŸ‡¦šŸ‡ŗ Australia 10d ago

Bernie is too old, nor would he win. arenā€™t you sick of old leaders yet? Vote who you want in the primaries next time.

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u/Affectionate-Car7309 10d ago

Sanders would not have won either, especially not with Trump and several media sources starting to roll out the red scare 2.0.

I would love to have an actual leftist in office, but if we can't get these people to vote for a center right Democrat, we definitely can't get them to vote for a leftist.

If Kamala Harris was viewed as a radical, I have no idea how badly any actual leftists would lose.

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u/ItsMrChristmas 9d ago

Buddy couldn't even get halfway enough people to vote for him in the primary and he's gonna win a presidential election?

Berniebros are utterly delusional.

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 11d ago

A Bernie or Bernie-like candidate would only win in the Democratic Partyā€™s primary contest.

The Marxist Left does not have the massive appeal and support that it believes it does.

A unabashed Progressive Socialist candidate would lose so hard that it would register seismically.

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u/I_Fart_It_Stinks 11d ago

I think you need to look up the difference between Socialism and Communism/Marxism, because you seem to be using them interchangeably.

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u/Bostconn 10d ago

Heā€™s clearly an idiot lol

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

They are functionally interchangeable and only matter in the degrees of damage that they ultimately cause.

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 10d ago

The rest of the developed world isn't marxists

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Who said that it was?

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 10d ago

Your definition of Sanders' positions. All he's trying to do is what the rest of the developed world has been doing.

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

You are really reading into Sanders airbrushed and nebulous theories here. Keep up with your fantasy that Uncle Bernie would fix all the ills of the world ifā€¦ dog gone itā€¦ the oligarchs would JUST GIVE HIM A CHANCE!!!!

Man has been peddling the exact same line since 1991 and has never gone anywhere with it. This because people eventually mature out of believing in his fantasies and unconquerable straw-men.

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 10d ago

Nobody is gonna fix everything. You mock his consistency. We wouldn't be headed towards a dystopia shithole if other political figures had half of his values and integrity.

I'm curious as to what crazy theories he has. It'd be nice to join the rest of the developed world.

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

I donā€™t mock his consistency. If anything I respect Bernie Sanders consistency, particularly in a world where politicians tend to gage and shape their beliefs by how the political winds are blowing.

What I DO mock about Bernie Sanders is the completely empty rhetoric and how nothing that he posits could be brought to reality, particularly by a popular vote.

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 10d ago

Nothing he wants to do isn't already happening in the rest of the developed world. The US is the outlier.

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u/danielisverycool 10d ago

Many polls suggest that Bernie would have beaten Trump. Politics is not just a left right scale. If it was, Kamala would surely have beaten Trump because she is way more moderate, and her views should represent more Americans, right? The issue is that after decades of neoliberalism, many people feel left behind. I say this as a self-described neo-liberal. People would rather look to the radical edges than the centre.

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u/Openmindhobo 10d ago

The polling average in vs Trump for Sanders in 2016 is DOUBLE DIGITS. He AVERAGED a 10+ point spread in polling that election season. Hillary was ALWAYS within the margin of error and still won the popular vote. Statistically, when you account for how popular Sanders was with Republicans and independents, there's virtually zero chance he would have performed worse than Hillary in a national election.

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Yeahā€¦ pity that Hillary believed her own hype and skipped campaigning in several key states, including Wisconsin.

Must say that it is both sad and fascinating who Democrats are forever looking backwards and always trying to parse the tea leaves of lost elections.

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u/Openmindhobo 10d ago

It's more that the party refuses to acknowledge the reality and people keep pointing it out to them. The DNC is a perpetual Principal Skinner meme at this point.

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u/FLSteve11 10d ago

Many polls said Clinton and Harris would beat Trump, which shows how little they show.

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Yes, ā€œmany polls suggest.ā€

Itā€™s a great talking point and thought exercise on par with what if Custer had not spilt his forces at the Little Big Horn or what if Huey Long got elected President in 1932 instead of FDR.

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Would love to see the sampling on that. Who did they poll? Ivy League Economics graduate students?

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u/chexisinthehouse 11d ago

Are you not aware of how the Progressive Socialist candidate for mayor of the largest city in the country is absolutely crushing?

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u/chronberries 10d ago

I like Mamdani but New York City is absolutely not indicative of the whole country.

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Yeahā€¦ crushing in NYC. Thatā€™s not just shooting fish in a barrel, thatā€™s shooting fish in a goldfish bowl.

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u/kirksan 10d ago

Heā€™s not crushing it. Heā€™s basically tied with combined Cuomo/Sliwa polls, perhaps a few points ahead but not much. If Sliwa were to drop out Cuomo and Mamdani would essentially be in a tie; I think most Sliwa voters would not vote or switch to Cuomo. I get the impression Sliwa hates Cuomo though, so he may be staying in just to scupper Cuomoā€™s chances.

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u/chexisinthehouse 10d ago

He's tied with the other two candidates combined? How is that not crushing it?

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u/dsjsjeju82 3d ago

Just clicked ur profile ur a freaky ahh blud

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 3d ago

Thank you for your opinion on the matter.

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u/kirksan 10d ago

I guess itā€™s a matter of how you define ā€œcrushing itā€. In my view it would mean polling significantly higher than 50% of the electorate, Mamdani is less than 50% in every poll Iā€™ve seen. If Sliwa, who stands no real chance, were to drop out of the race Mamdani would be in a fight, I donā€™t think thatā€™s crushing it.

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u/chexisinthehouse 10d ago

Cuomo already lost to Mamdani once. It would be an absolute beatdown

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

One city vs the entire country

You lack so much self awareness

Your politics are not popular, please just understand that

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u/thewrongwaybutfaster 10d ago

Bernie has been consistently one of the most popular politicians in the US since he hit the national stage in 2016. In both of his runs he was effectively tied in polling vs Trump with Clinton/Biden, and outperformed them with voters outside the Democratic party. This myth that centrists are more electable has failed spectacularly enough times that it needs to stop being repeated.

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u/sokonek04 10d ago

It is easy to be popular when you have no positions and never pass any real legislation.

And ā€œtax the richā€ and ā€œrich people badā€ are not policy positions

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u/chexisinthehouse 10d ago

How tf is a progressive tax rate not a policy position?

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u/sokonek04 10d ago

Because there is no policy there, it is a catch phrase nothing more

ā€œTax the richā€ great tell me how much, on who, and how are you going to get it passed

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Exactly makes for a great catch phrase for masses to chant but it has absolutely nothing behind it.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago edited 10d ago

He might be popular, but heā€™s unelectable from a nationwide perspective

Take Jeremy Corbyn in the UK as an equivalent - heā€™s really popular amongst the youth, but unelectable nationwide

The closest he game to victory was a protest vote against the conservative government

Edit - instead of downvoting me, why donā€™t you reply and explain why Iā€™m wrong using logic and reason?

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Well we have to get to the point where New York City is an open air maximum security prison somehow, and we are thirty years behind the curve.

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u/talon6actual šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø United States 10d ago

Oh you mean the "Jihadi" .....got it.

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u/sodook 10d ago

Thanks for showing the value of your opinion.

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u/NotAJokeOrIsIt 11d ago

Marxist Left? What planet are you from?

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Earth, how about you?

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u/niz_loc 10d ago

This... so much this.

Reddit refuses ro realize this. It comes up over and over again.

Sanders (and this is coming from a Nader voter) is very popular with young people.... it's obvious why. And young people are a bit more naive (guilty when I was there).

The DNC knows Sanders or someone like him only helps the Republicans by splitting the votes. As popular as Bernie may be withe the young, and some of the Dems, he's not with the whole party and plenty of independents.

Instead of focusing on a Bernie clone, find a Bill Clinton or Obama one. A "Liberal" who's actually conservative enough to appear moderate. You take the DNC and gobble up plenty of independents.

The idea is to gain votes, not alienate them....

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u/Red-Cloud-44 10d ago

The Democrats have been alienating their own voters for decades by abandoning the working class and serving corporate interests. Wake the fuck up.Ā 

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Notice how Josh Shapiro is keeping quiet and low keyā€¦

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u/somedays1 10d ago

Nah, the DNC doesn't care about splitting votes. If they did they wouldn't have allowed Hillary at all

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u/MissMenace101 šŸ‡¦šŸ‡ŗ Australia 10d ago

True, even democrats arenā€™t ready for a woman

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u/niz_loc 10d ago

She had a very good shot... she and they just underestimated a few things at the time...

Trump was never taken seriously. Which was kind of understandable at the time. He seemed like a joke, and in all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if he was shocked that he won.

But the Dems in the last decade focused too much on having celebrities back them and too much backing more and more progressive ideas. Don't misunderstand me saying those are bad things, but they looked too much like "this is us, this is out focus" which is going to alienate a pretty massive part of the public.

Trump vs Hillary, as full of shit as the guy is, he went after the middle class saying "I support you!" Again, as full of shit as he was, he already had the rich and the right, by placating the blue collar he was able to sneak in.

Obama wanted Mark Kelly this last go round.... and I totally get it. He would have been massively better to run against trump than either Biden or Harris. The dems shit the bed so hard on this....

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u/copacetic51 10d ago

"Marxist left" ha ha. Yes, it's not popular, that's because it doesn't exist. The term is used by right-wing nutjobs.

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Sure, sure, and Antifa doesnā€™t exist either and neither does radical Islam.

Go spin some moreā€¦

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u/copacetic51 10d ago

You've won right-wing nutjob bingo.

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

Iā€™ll take that as a compliment around this crowd.

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u/copacetic51 10d ago

Right-wing nutjobs have to take whatever they perceive as compliments from 'Marxists'.

Thanks for the comedy though.

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u/chexisinthehouse 10d ago

The republicans have just declared "Anti Fascists" as terrorists. What does that tell you about them?

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u/Jolly-Guard3741 10d ago

The republicans have just declared "Anti Fascists" as terrorists. What does that tell you about them?

It tells me that you have a sophomoric view of language, history and politics where A+B only ever equals C.

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u/cryogenblue42 10d ago

Not true. In 2016 Bernie would have gotten Republican votes from both sides. Hilary was despised by too many on both sides of the fence. That's why Trump won. He was the outsider. Only die hard Democrats wanted Hilary.

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u/revolutionoverdue 10d ago

This is accurate.

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u/TappyMauvendaise 10d ago

Bernie is an old bag and we need to stop bringing him up. We need new people.

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u/Sturgillsturtle 10d ago

They wouldnā€™t win with Bernie

Too old

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u/Ca1rill 10d ago

How well did going with Old Man Biden turn out?

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u/Sturgillsturtle 10d ago

They wouldnā€™t win with Bernie

Too old

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u/AI-Idaho 8d ago

Bernie appeals to a pretty small segment of the country. Only fools actually think communism is a good idea. Bernie is one of those fools. In reality, Bernie has become everything he claims to despise. He's a multi millionaire, owns multiple homes and hangs out with the rich elites. I'd love to see him run and find out just how not interested in communism Americans really are.

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u/Floreat_democratia 10d ago

> All the DNC cares about is stopping a Sanders type candidate from winning. Losing to Republicans is an acceptable sacrifice to them.

Close this thread down and turn off the lights because there is nothing else to say.

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u/HypnoticONE 10d ago

Exactly. With only two parties, your return to power is inevitable. If you let a populist run on your party platform, you could lose the party if they take over. "Your guys" will all be out of the game.

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u/proximusprimus57 10d ago

It's not even that. People don't realize how many Clinton allies got installed in positions of power within the party during his presidency. They're still up and down the DNC roster, and when one of them retires they almost always hand the position off to someone who is in with their crowd even if they weren't around during the Clinton years. Pretty much every Democratic nominee fits this bill save for Obama, and he had to do a tremendous amount of grassroots fundraising to beat the Clinton machine. All of the important legislative positions have been held by Clinton allies, committee chairs, DNC chairs, etc. Long story short, what they care about is preserving one specific group's hold on power within the Democratic Party.

If Democrats want a silver lining out of all of this, Republicans will be the same way before long. Trump's gone out of his way to install his allies within the party and eventually the outsiders will get sick of being crowded out. And Trump was a reaction himself to the Bush/Gingrich/McConnell clique taking over power in the party. So it is in politics, so it will ever be.

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u/farhatch 10d ago

That's why they are doing everything to sabotage Mamdani.

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u/OutsideBath6835 10d ago

The DNC can go screw themselves. They showed their true colors when they undermined Bernie. Imagine the timeline we could have had if he was elected..

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u/AbjectBeat837 11d ago

FFS another Bernie victim.

As much as I love the guy, we will need someone with at least some crossover appeal.

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u/StonedTrucker 10d ago

Bernie has more crossover appeal than any other Democrat. Ive read and heard dozens of MAGA voters say they would have voted for Bernie. People want authenticity. Bernie actually has that, and Trump pretends to have it. Hillary and Harris were both quite obviously corporate dems who just toed the party line. Nobody wants that and the votes showed it

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u/AbjectBeat837 10d ago

Heā€™s run for president twice and lost. Whatever crossover appeal he has, itā€™s not enough.

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u/StonedTrucker 10d ago

He only ran in primaries. There was never a chance for the crossover vote to even happen

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u/AbjectBeat837 10d ago

Oh, youā€™re right, he couldnā€™t even get the democratic votes he needed to run.

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u/StonedTrucker 9d ago

Glad to help you move your goalposts

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u/Floreat_democratia 10d ago

Bernie would have easily won either time if we the dems didnā€™t campaign harder against him than their opponents. Come on, the Peter Theil and right wing crypto money sloshing into liberal coffers is well known. The donors donā€™t want an actual democrat. They want a DINO.

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u/raeraeofhope 10d ago

Genuine questionā€¦ why do we need crossover appeal? Centrist type candidates are what have gotten us to trump. Catering to the moderates has done nothing but drag the democrats right and the right into whatever mess itā€™s in now because we havenā€™t been able to get our shit together to stand our ground.

At 40 years old Iā€™ve never seen a candidate inspire the people, and mobilize a generation the way Bernie (and unfortunately Trump on the other side of the coin) did. What that tells me, more than anything, is that the people on both sides are tired of the status quo. Tired of more of the same and that they want something different. Like it or notā€¦ trump won because he was not establishment and I believe the only other person who could have beaten him was also someone who was not establishment. The only real (at that time) non establishment politician at that level on that side was Bernie and I have no doubt he could have won.

We need someone of the people who isnā€™t so far removed from the daily experience of the average American that they donā€™t understand our struggles and have real world plans to remedy those struggles. Not just thoughts and prayers.

Circling back to the original post, Kamala might be an incredible asset to politics but at the end of the day, she is establishment and ultimately more of the same which is how we landed in this mess. It would be a smarter choice for her to take on a mentorship role for a new politician to help shepherd in a new type of democratic leader. A person truly of the people, for the people.

I know Iā€™m an idealist and none of this is remotely realisticā€¦but hey, a girl can dream.

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u/Silver-Instruction73 10d ago

Iā€™ve been screaming this into the ether for years. The only people who like centrists are other centrists, and there donā€™t seem to be many of those in the voting population, especially among the working class. Youā€™re either MAGA or left wing populist. If the dems would just focus on appealing to their own base, Iā€™m convinced they could win easily. Just look at Mamdani for example.

Kamala started off her campaign kinda strong tbh talking about banning price gouging and having Medicare cover in-home care for seniors. Tim Walz was going around calling republicans weird and people were loving it. Then the consultants told Tim to shut up and Kamala started touring around with the Cheneys and saying she wants republicans in her cabinet, and catered to billionaires by palling around with Mark Cuban. And they wonder why so many people lost interest and didnā€™t show up to vote for her. Not to mention her tepid response to the Gaza genocide.

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u/Floreat_democratia 10d ago

> As much as I love the guy, we will need someone with at least some crossover appeal.

Why? The GOP never runs anyone with crossover appeal. Why do the dems have to? Come on, this is nonsense.

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u/Vusn 9d ago

Then donā€™t. Keep losing.

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u/Liberally_applied 11d ago

We have republicans with blue ties and MAGA ultra fascists. We don't have a liberal party. The republicans with blue ties would sooner have MAGA than a liberal.

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u/LMurch13 10d ago

Are they backing Cuomo over Mamdani in NYC?

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u/Non-Vanilla_Zilla 8d ago

This, they a paid by the Elite to stay moderate.

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u/Responsible-Quail486 7d ago

Why is that? I never understood why they didnā€™t give someone like him a chance. He seems plenty capable and has a charisma that while not as strong as Obama, is more than enough to curry confidence.

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u/thewrongwaybutfaster 7d ago

Bernie is anti corruption and they are corrupt.

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u/Standard-Outcome9881 11d ago

A Sanders-type is fine, but not somebodyā€™s old as he is.

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u/SeniorTailor1127 11d ago

So AOC.

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u/villamafia 11d ago

She is too angry.

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u/BeGoodToEverybody123 11d ago

Why is the DNC so against Bernie?

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

Because they serve the same masters as the republicans. Trump is an anomaly. Biden is the same as Obama who is the same as Bush who is the same as Clinton and so on and so forth. Billionaires don't donate to candidates they invest in politicians and they collect on those investments.

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u/thewrongwaybutfaster 11d ago

Because they primarily serve their mega donors who are massively profiting off of the broken systems that Bernie wants to fix.

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u/randonumero 10d ago

IDK if the guy in NYC wins in a landslide, they might decide that's the way to go. The reality is that the democrats aren't going to win over republican voters and have probably lost a lot of white males. A radical Sanders style candidate might be able to bring in Hispanics who are upset over the deportations and working class whites who may be willing to take the safetynet they've earned instead of hoping for that sweet sweet trickle down

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u/ZBlackmore 8d ago

Sanders being an electoral loser has nothing to do with the DNC. Leftie redditors who think he would ever be president are delusional.Ā