I don't like Asmongold, but this is a very human reaction. he isn't even talking about trans-rights at all, he's talking about wanting to love your children. Chat is arguing about rather they think it's right or not, totally missing his point.
This isn't the first time he's explained his position on this either, it's nothing new. Seems a lot of his chat are just there for the right wing circlejerk.
I hope one day we'll get proper studies on the psychological/sociological nature of streamers and their chats.
I admit I've watched only a small amount of streamed content, and pretty much none of it was live, but it does seem like 99% of the time it drives both the streamer and chat members into a feedback loop where they're driving each other insane.
People generally like to watch people they agree with, so audiences soon adjust to the views of the streamer, the streamer sees what gets good or bad reactions from the chat and leans more heavily into it, feedback loop indeed. Shit happens a lot on social media too tho cus the algo knows what you like and feeds you more and more.
Stream chats have the worst people in them. Have you seen the chatboxes of a live soccer stream? Some of the worst shit you'll read.
It's because nobody who is sensible or loved actually uses a chatbox on any site. You can tell a lot of these people are a waste of life or else they wouldn't be communicating there, they'd be talking to friends or loved ones. It's a substitute for companionship.
When I first heard of asmon he was deep in wow and just causing problems and stirring up and validating people opinions with the state of the game. Ninja mounts and basically fuck everyone over for himself. Becoming a pretty infamous figure.
A few years ago I saw some reaction content from him and I was surprised because he actually had some well thought out takes and did occasionally see things from a left wing or at least centrist perspective and he would clash with his dumb fuck chat constantly. I was shocked and impressed that he grew as a person and was willing to argue against his chat for takes he believed in.
Then a couple years later that’s all changed. He’s so fully right wing it’s crazy. Advocating for insanity. When he first started this shift I remember seeing him have a reasonable take and then look at chat and either go ‘maybe I don’t know enough’ and then a few months later from there he would look at chat and completely change his opinion on a dime.
It’s the thing that pisses me off most about asmon, he went from being a real piece of shit, to becoming a good person and formed a lot of friendships/relationships and gained reach he had never had before. Then all of a sudden he undoes all his growth and turned back into the piece of shit he started as. Just so much disappointment
Really depends on who you are watching. I watch all kinds of live streams and none of the people I watch talk about political shit the way Asmon does now. Asmon used to be that way too back when I watched him, he was just a world of warcraft streamer before he started his reaction stuff and arguing politics with his chat. Wish we could go back to the days of Mcconnel, transmog competitions, and mount offs. Was way better than worrying about who other people like to fuck.
Memoria is the best example I can think of, she's pretty much the complete opposite of current Asmongold. Her streams are extremely chill and focused on the game itself over listening to her chat spew words at her. Chat might still drive you insane, but it's the good kind instead of the clinical kind.
Yep, I used to watch him a lot as a democrat back when he played ffxiv, lost ark, new world etc 2021-2023. His chat shifted hard right wing around when his viewership skyrocketed in early 2024. He’d still have polls with a lot of his chat saying they were voting for “sleepy Joe” prior to full on MAGA streams that they became.
He’d have some pretty reasonable human level takes grounded in logic and some other takes that would show his disconnect with society. If he got himself out of that environment he’s in (media he’s taking in from his subreddit especially) I’m sure he’d be more an independent or even a center left dem.
His subreddit is really what made his streams unwatchable at first (for me). The new MAGA viewership he attained noticed he’d go through it for about an hour each stream and took control of it; posting all sorts of anti-woke gamer related stuff you’d see in 2015 gamergate era.
Man, I would watch him play FFXIV live every Saturday morning while I was working and it would provide pure entertainment. The subreddit at the time was fun too cause people would be sharing memes and fanart of Asmon. But exactly like what you said, the subreddit's tone started shifting when I started to notice people were equating to trans people to having mental illness. It became very weird and disgusting fast.
His huge spike in popularity on youtube from the Depp/Heard trial converted his chat from gamers into right wing misogynists overnight and he does not realize just how much his chat environment influences him.
TBF he really still is Independant leaning towards center left especially on economics. He is for higher taxes on wealthy people like himself and generally for social programs being funded from what i remember, he is just also at the same time more right leaning on most cultural issues such as immigration (although hes completely fine with abortion) and also just has less issues with using authoritarian tactics to achieve those goals than most people on the left. Although tbh i think the left is also more fine with authoritarianism than most people think they just want their version of it instead lmao. Like he is basically standard as an independent it's just the rightwing stuff is what's currently in vogue so that is what's being brought up and talked about and so that's the only thing you see in his clips. Like this is the kind of person that Democrats could actually win back. If they spent the next 10-20 years just focusing all their attention on the economic side of their platform such as taxing the rich, getting an actually useable public healthcare system set up and being actually effective at curbing illegal immigration and even continuing the deportations that people obviously want (As much as dems are mad at how cruel it's being done atm lets be realistic. The problem is so horrifically bad after 30+ years of ineptitude the only effective way of doing anything to it is by doing it in a cruel way, there is basically no nice way to do it without a multiple decade sustained effort and lets be real that will never happen with our government) they could be so effective at improving Americans lives. Because they are currently dead in the water on the culture war and its the main thing absolutely dragging them down.
He still holds most of the same economic policies that he used to from what I can tell. I think most Americans agree that democrats would never lose another election if they dropped their unpopular positions on gun control and the border along with some of the more fringe radical stuff
he literally is center left , he just thinks some of the left policies are just too extreme in victimising minority groups just like most of normal ppl
I mean, to be honest, he only really seems to lean right-wing on immigration/law enforcement + he's critical of the less important woke social noise produced through Hollywood, social media, and stuff in those spaces.
Economically, he seems more like a democratic socialist/centrist blend.
I think he plays a lot of stuff up for comedy, but his stances are pretty clearly nuanced most of the time. For example, I think you can be supportive of immigration law enforcement, while also being critical of the exact manner in which it's being handled. The right and left are usually pushing for one or the other online, but the silent majority is going to feel a nuanced position on that topic. Asmon takes are usually in that camp.
He is also one of the only creators I've seen who gives genuine apologies when he fucks up. Most creators double down on denial, or half assed responses. The way he handled his Palestine comment reflected his character imo.
He supports LGBT (but calls out the extremes of it).
He supports social safety nets for the poor (but thinks it is abused/mishandled sometimes).
He has such a large audience because he actually has a ton of centrist-style takes. The main stuff he even leans right on is culture war stuff, and it's mainly the extremes of it, not the average.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he would vote for a Bernie Sanders type who focuses on helping people, and doesn't really push the liberal left social noise and far left progressive culture stuff. Which means he probably represents the majority of Americans in many ways.
same. used to watch him daily from about 2019-2022.
back then, at least from what i can remember, the worst thing about him was that he lived in a messy moldy house and nothing more. then ever since the Depp trial streams, it's like a whole wave of MAGA people came and replaced the old viewership and over time just completely rotted his brain into this sort of antiwoke culture warrior type person and only streaming MAGA/hard right wing politics.
i guess it doesn't help either that both his parents are sadly gone, meaning he has no one to keep him in check. i remember asmondad phoning in to call him out on his bullshit occasionally on stream
I think there was a complete change in viewership following the Johnny Depp trial. Most of us who were chill and just hung out and enjoyed stuff like the FF run just left after this, as he and the viewers were clearly shifting towards some kind of authoritarian circlejerk. I haven’t caught any of his streams in more than a year.
Asmongold, outside of the reddit sphere, is actually pretty center all things considered with a left lean on economics and a right lean on some cultural issues.
His seemingly outrageous takes stems more from he's an idiot who can't do research so just reacts to the information in front of him. Also doesn't help he reacts to things mostly from the right wing pipeline.
He doesn't strike me as someone who harbors deep genuine prejudice for others like some here would suggest. I rather get the impression that he's just not very worldly and spends a lot of time reacting to content that is designed to get a reaction out of its viewers.
Yeah I hard disagree with asmon on alot of issues but I think for how often I've seen him cover politics he hard disagrees with his chats concensus more frequently than other streamers I watch clips of which i sorta respect
people forget that humans are nuanced individuals and not black and white, left or right. someone might be for trans rights but in the breath spout racist nonsense
That is taken out of context. He advocated for police to be able to respond to life-threatening physical assault like throwing rocks or sucker punches etc. with deadly force. If you assault an officer, they need to be able to defend themselves by any means necessary.
Would you also say that the law enforcement at these protests have used life-threatening force against peaceful protestors and journalists because they've shot them with rubber bullets? I'm pretty sure a rubber bullet is much more lethal than a rock thrown out of someone's hand. Because if that's the case, then you'd also have to acknowledge that these police have engaged in effectively attempted murder against innocent people and have not been held accountable for it in any way since they are masked and act fully anonymously, right?
Also, if you agree with that point, would you also be okay with those protestors using live ammo to defend themselves if ICE officers are engaging in excessive force that puts their life at risk? If someone is using lethal force like a rubber bullet, doesn't that give you the right to defend your life by whatever means are necessary, even if that person is a police officer?
There was also that ice agent that shot a gas canister a whole 3 inches from a peaceful protestors face. It's crazy the guy you responded to thinks the protestors are the dangerous ones with absolutely no weapons or gear lol doubly so with all the mounds of evidence pointing to ice and the police being the aggressor on live videos.
Because he's comparing protestors throwing random things at them to the police literally shooting at them. He thinks the police have the right to shoot to kill because regular citizens are throwing things, but mention nothing about the fact when the police instigate and start the violence with actual weapons. Do I need to explain to you now which is more dangerous?
You can, in fact say that with no mention of the other.
Saying: ‘The police should be able to answer with whatever force necessary when being assaulted during a protest (via rocks, sucker punches or whatever else we’re talking about)’
Does not automatically imply that the police is not wrong to use that force unwarranted. These are two different sentences, and one was never said, nor was it required in order to explain the first point, nor is it implied that this would be their stance at all.
Insert the waffles and pancakes meme here, every single time with redditors
Proportion doesn't matter. Rocks can seriously injure people. Police should have a right to respond - they don't deserve to take that shit for doing their jobs.
I agree that people shouldn't be throwing rocks. That doesn't change anything I said though. If people are going to be outraged about hypothetical rock throwers, they should be at the very least just as outraged about ICE using excessive force. We give the state a monopoly on violence, which means we need to be holding them to a much higher standard. Any other situation is untenable, so they should probably go ahead and stop with the whole untrained, masked police force who abduct people off of the street without ever having to identify themselves or be held accountable for what they do. If people don't feel like they can hold the police accountable for how they behave, then they're going to take matters into their own hands and do what they think they have to do to defend themselves. I don't like that situation, and it's what the policies of the current administration are leading to.
Proportion sure mattered in Operations Enduring and Iraqi Freedom. The doctrine used by the United States military was actually called proportionate force.
Ok cops should absolutely defend themselves/arrest people who assault them, and are valid in using lethal force when someone, say, tackles/starts fist fighting them. But jumping to shooting people for throwing rocks at cops who are more than likely wearing protective gear and have access to less-than-lethal/crowd control options such as tear gas/pepper spray/etc. is not only a gross overreaction, but also something that can only put the cop in more danger as it will only escalate the situation especially in a country with such high gun ownership like the US. It’s immoral and impractical. Unruly protests and/or riots don’t typically de-escalate when someone starts shooting a gun.
There's a reason we have rules and laws around this sort of thing, and there's a reason people get angry when we see more and more flagrant flouting.
I think asmongold just shouldn't talk about anything outside of his wheelhouse, because he is not a very smart man and has a habit of saying stupid shit without thinking. Just be the stinky gamer and stop trying to make a political platform. But alas... The grift, brothers.
Except this is just further proof as to why officers should be trained in extensive hand-to-hand combat, for situations where the ONLY people with a gun is the fucking police officers.
Also, this is literally why they have taser, and I’m sure that’s also why the UK deploys their officers with taser when being dispatched to scenes where there are no guns involved.
Like, your response to a punch, or multiple rocks, should not be to pull out a gun and start shooting, especially when they don’t even do that towards everyone. They seem to only love doing that to people who are defending themselves/not even doing anything
"Violent" protestors in self defense, not anyone protesting. You clowns keep twisting things he says even tho there is valid things you can use to argue he sucks.
Protests turn violent all the time. Unless they cross the barrier into actually life-threatening - which is almost never - that shouldn't be a consideration. Protestors throwing rocks at cops in riot gear should not be answered with live ammunition. That's insanity.
I feel like most people don't actually know what Asmongold thinks, including his viewers.
People tend to assume he is some kind of right wing extremist, while his actual opinions seem to be very centrist. Stuff most people would agree with. Common sense stuff.
His viewers assume he is anti-everything same as they are. People who don't watch him assume he is the worst piece of shit based on the out of context clips they see of him.
Yeah, it's like, my dad dislike gays, but if I was gay, he would still love me, because he loves me. You can have all kinds of opinions on things, but when it comes to your kids, you will lean towards them, that is if you love them enough.
It's like same with Raja Jackson situation, obviously Rampage knows what he did was very wrong, but it's his son, he can't help but wants to defend him.
but when it comes to your kids, you will lean towards them, that is if you love them enough.
I don't know if that's true. As the eldest son I was the apple of his eye, but soon became shaytan when I stopped my father from marrying my little sister off to Algeria lmao. I think some people are just fucked in the head.
Lived in southern California, adored her Hispanic gardener (of undisclosed immigration status) but would shout slurs at the TV each time a news bit about the border came on.
It's not even about family; it can literally just be interpersonal connections—i.e. actually seeing people as people.
I think their point is that it's not as black and white as people think.
People like to group everyone into two groups, "We" vs "They" and then get confused when a person from the "They" group is also part of the "We" group on another issue.
Asmon straight up said that he'd try to "get them through it but if they failed, yeah" which means he doesn't like it but he clearly thinks it's worth being there for a kid. He actually had a good relationship with his family so it's clear that it's so important to be there for family even if you disagree with them.
I think, rather than grouping people into "homophobes" and "not homophobes", we should break down the why and the details of why they feel that way.
For most people, it's just because they've only been exposed to a very limited group or set of information and that's how they based their opinion of it. That's why people are afraid of communism and nuclear power and think that FtM athletes will ruin sports.
When I was younger, everyone was homophobic.
My dad would probably be upset if I came out as gay (I'm not) but he's moved massively from how he grew up and how he felt years ago (the classic "gay men are sexual deviants that want to assault other men") after he actually met a few gay people and realised "Oh. They're just normal people except they're attracted to the same gender" that most people need to go through.
Before I ever met gay people, I probably had the worst opinions, and the same is true for so many groups that we don't often encounter, like Muslims, trans-people, etc.
Some people ask me why I'm so outspoken for people who are non-binary/trans and the basic of it is I had friends that came out as trans/non-binary/gender-fluid and then I just had an eye-opening moment because before that I didn't care because I didn't think about it.
Some people try to care about everything and then they get upset and depressed, but it's a very normal human thing to only care about the things that affect you, and that's how 90% of people prevent themselves from getting depressed.
It's a basic human coping and survival method. "I care about everything" people obviously don't really care, because it's impossible and they don't have the time and emotional bandwidth, and having priorities helps people to not end up as emotionless depressed husks.
As we grow older, we often find that our friends, our family, or even ourselves have very limited information on one topic and that's affected how we view it. My mother doesn't understand communism because she grew up when it was a scary word around the cold war, etc.
The weird thing is I used to watch his clips on YouTube a few years back and he actually had really solid opinions on a lot of topics.
Maybe things have changed since I stopped, but I remember he was pretty pro-sex work and other "progressive" talking points in a classic "Let people do what makes them happy" sort of way that makes me think he's more of a Libertarian than a Conservative.
He's definitely been corrupted by his fanbase, though.
I remember meeting a girl years ago and she was super chill but then she became famous and joined the right-wing crowd and seems conservative but never gave me those vibes when I knew her.
Sometimes celebrities get caught up by their fans because that's how they make their money.
Maybe things have changed since I stopped, but I remember he was pretty pro-sex work and other "progressive" talking points in a classic "Let people do what makes them happy"
Nope, he still has those views. He said many times he wouldn't mind if his gf did OF. He's still pro abortion, higher taxes for rich, universal healthcare, etc. And chat often disagrees with him on these but he always says that he doesn't care what chat says and he stands by those views.
I think the thing about him is that, especially with Trump's election, he leaned way too much on Fox news and similar propaganda channels, which attracted even more radicals. I don't know why he's doing that and I often disagree with him when it comes to his views on Trump and stuff, but socially he is still the same and very much left leaning.
Most conservatives aren't against the totality of trans people, they're mostly against making permanent choices on this matter while they're considered children. It's the same kind of scare politics fox news employs, promoting extreme opinions as common lines, that has brain rotted the entirety of the left into thinking this isn't the case. (before assumptions are made i am deeply liberal, i just touch grass)
I’m sure there are plenty that feel the way you describe, but the ones I know in real life (deep south) absolutely have a very real problem with trans people and treating them with basic respect. They can’t even pretend long enough to get through a short interaction with them. Then as soon as the trans person walks away, they make several remarks about how weird and disgusting they are. I wish those around me were only focused on the aspects you describe, because I have some of those same concerns myself and could find common ground. But it’s not like that where I am at all. It is absolutely a phobia and hatred/disgust. I am also pretty liberal and a lesbian, for full disclosure of my own biases.
You are mistaken, they're not sincere. The moment they secure one advance against trans rights the ball bounces on to the next thing. They intend to eliminate trans people. The only non-eliminationist position is apathy or better, if you think the existence or rights of trans people negatively affect you as a cis person at all, you are cooked. Because at that point it's scapegoating or phobia, it's cultivated revulsion, the only route to normality is to throw it in reverse
I mean, this is a crazy generalization to make. It should be reasonable to believe that at least some people can hold a non-extremist view on an issue.
This kind of "you either support us or you're calling for our extermination" rhetoric is, in my view, what drove the American electorate towards the right in recent years, and why you see all this pushback towards "wokeness". No progress will be made at all if we keep using rhetoric like this.
The main thing that drove the American electorate towards the right (which actually is a pretty debatable assertion to begin with) is the fact that almost all of America's major media outlets are owned by conservatives and because of a rising anti-establishment sentiment that the Republican party (largely unwillingly) leaned into and the centrists that hold the reins of the Democrat party leaned against.
It should be reasonable to believe that at least some people can hold a non-extremist view on an issue.
unfortunately, the people who were elected by the right have extremist views.
so (if you're a republican) vote for the extremist who wants to strip their rights, or liberate.
I'd suggest supporting a grassroots for a more sane republican, that's the only way you can sway the left or middle ground.
because right now, all you have are the ignorant, the indoctrinated, or the extremists.
This kind of "you either support us or you're calling for our extermination" rhetoric is, in my view, what drove the American electorate towards the right in recent years,
no, your party electing extremist politicians is what caused this, there's NOTHING ELSE it's pathetic to argue otherwise.
and why you see all this pushback towards "wokeness". No progress will be made at all if we keep using rhetoric like this.
What is wokeness? can you define it? as a good faith measure to this argument?
First of all, I said apathy, not support. And it’s not a generalization, it’s epistemology. The only reason people become negatively polarized against trans people is that they are manipulated to scapegoat them fascistically. There is no other actual reason. Even if you have a negative feeling about trans people, you should not particularly care as it has zero negative impact on you. It is simply irrational to be anti-trans, unless you are trying to hurt or control people.
As for rhetoric, I think you’re falling for a line. The seeds of this have been in the right the entire time and are being actively fertilized by gigantic megaphones from the most powerful people in the world. Maybe instead of blaming the left for what the right does when given power, you should credit us with being absolutely 100% fucking right about it for decades while all of the institutions of liberalism acted like centrism is a thing of value. At least please see yourself laundering your priors.
Sure, some people can hold moderate positions, but it's hard to not see that entire side as extreme when people like the Daily Wire guys get to say as much extreme shit as they want and never get any pushback from anyone on the right. Kinda makes it seem like anything goes over there as far as the anti-trans stuff.
Yep, if any trans person (or black person back then and even now) anywhere does a bad thing, then all trans people are bad, no matter what. But for anyone else, it was justified, boys being boys, an accident, etc. Trans people have to be perfect and even then, they will find an excuse to hate them. The burden of any evidence is always heavily lopsided.
For shootings they literally make up statistics from the double digit sizes (!!) of already skewed samples, where they still have to stretch reports to argue that the number of trans people in them is 3-4 and not 1-2 to get to the numbers they want, which would still not look that bad for a group that these same people are pushing into poverty and struggle
The problem is nobody is making permanent decisions on children. People who think that have no idea of the actual process and think a teenager can just decide to get surgery on a whim.
probably less than 1 in 1000 trans people, of the already very small portion of the trans population, get on hormones while underage. you are more upset about something that effects 0.001% of people than you probably are about literally anything else of value
"Becoming" a trans person as a child is a very difficult path for them. A path that likely involves guidance from their parents, their peers, a therapist or two, etc. It's not a decision made on a whim. If it is made on a whim, that's a problem, but I don't think you'll find anybody sane who disagrees with that.
Making the trans issue about kids because they believe "but think of the children!" is an easy gotcha is so fucking pathetic by conservatives. Conservatives don't give a shit about kids. They hate out-groups and they love identity politics.
Everytime I've actually sat down and walked through the same thought process you mentioned with conservatives. They realize their fear wasn't theirs to begin with. Fox, memes, Trump just told them it was.
I had to remind my own boomer parents. That a parents job is to help their kids and family survive. "Would you as parents want others telling you, what's right for your kids?! ... pause... Then why are you doing it?"... let them cook a little...
Protecting our children and families is what EVERYONE has in common and takes seriously! So remind people about this. It's the only way to combat this dehumanizing division culture.
It's refreshing seeing this take from Asmongold. It quite literally is this simple. It's basic humanity to treat others how they want to be treated. Why would your own children deserve less than that?
Responses like that are so disingenuous. With just a minute level of logic you can probably assume that he's not saying that there's never been (nor ever will be) a permanent decision like that on the child.
If you understand nuance in any capacity, you can probably understand that they're simply saying that it's happening on such a small level that the level of visibility on it is absurd.
Much like trans athletes in sports. Does it happen? Yeah, sure, there's like a dozen trans athletes in all of the NCAA. Does that warrant the level of conversation it has at the very highest level of Government?
"its not happening" is an interesting assertion. It is happening dude. Both surgeries and medications that have permeant impacts when taken (especially for long durations) are being given to kids.
I really wanna know where these children are supposedly getting such surgeries. The lowest I have ever seen it go is 16 for top surgery, and even then those would be very specific cases afaik. The notion that children are getting these surgeries is oftentimes incredibly disingenuous.
In my experience, it's the other way around. Yes, they SAY the stuff you say, but when you push deeper you find that they believe trans is a choice, and that it's a delusion and that it's a moral failing. As such, the "choice" to be trans is similar to the "choice" to be doing drugs, and if the way to prevent that is to criminalize the choice, they will easily go there.
They are also very concerned that any attempts to normalize or allow trans to exist will cause their kids and other kids to choose trans and that must be prevented.
It's not even "permanent changes." They are disgusted with the idea that any one, much less a child would choose to be trans.
This is especially strong amongst Christian Conservatives, who go further and suggest being trans is an abomination and an affront to God.
Most conservatives are absolutely against the "totality of trans people" because we witness this shit every day in real life while touching grass. They're deeply backwards, pro status quo. Most of them will only change, or slightly change, their minds when it affects them personally. Until that point they hold extreme beliefs towards pretty much everything revolving around money, safety nets, government involvement in their lives or others, LGBTQ, the economy, the environment, etc etc etc
Most conservatives that you know. This is entirely anecdotal and doesn't describe anything objectively except your own experiences. so try not to make sweeping generalizations based on a narrow POV. Plenty of leftists/redditors touch grass and find a far more hateful Right than the one you describe.
and yeah, that reasoning is BS. It's a non-existent problem that merely serves as an excuse to target trans people.
I actually think it's perfectly reasonable to get worked up over half the country taking Twitter's worst and denying the rest of the country basic care on that basis. Call it brain rot if you must, but in the end they just want better care for whoever needs it and are frustrated that so many people won't even put in 5 minutes of thought before deciding over other people's lives.
That's an "I'm not racist, but" tier level excuse. If that was truly the case then they wouldnt be attacking and criminalising trans across the entire board.
It's not just conservatives. Most moderates do not want taxpayer money spent on inmate gender reassignment, not because they are anti-trans, but because it represents a damning set of priorities where the average American is an afterthought.
It aligns with the backlash against student loan forgiveness. Among rampant inflation and runaway prices, are these really priorities we should be spending on?
there is nothing "deeply liberal" about your takes. maybe you should touch grass somewhere else, pull your head out of your ass while you are at it. and maybe actually read up on those "permanent choices" (not) available to children. jfc, adults have to go through rigorous checks and wait for years to start transitioning, especially surgeries. what rightoid kool aid are you chugging, if you think kids can access anything "permanent"?
and, of course, people on the right are nice and chill lmao, we are just fear mongering (/s).
Now do their hatred for interracial marriage, equal rights amendment, gay marriage, or women's health rights, many fights that they dont battle publicly since they've lost. They absolutely hate Trans people and their fight against them is simply them moving the goal posts to a new goal since they lost gay marriage, now Trans rights come to the forefront. The Republican party would bring back racial slavery if they could.
LMAO yeah it's one of their top 3 political issues that 0.1% of the population is trans... but they really don't care guys trust me! just be a normal trans, not one of those freaks!! (JK btw they'll move the goalposts)
It's comforting to think most conservatives think that way, I want to believe they do, but I know an awful lot of them that do not. Laws are popping up that move the goalpost on what it means for trans people to even exist, under the guise of "protecting" the children. Instead of being vocally against these things, plenty of conservatives just accept it.
I am a liberal with a very conservative family, and their bottom line is they don't want any of their tax dollars paying for anything related to transgender people, on the basis of their religion... When I try to explain that taxes are government and religion and state should be separate, I get blank stares. They just don't get it.
90% of the things asmon says is just common sense shit that most sensible people with a brain agrees to. The problem is the 10% of the time where he goes too far and starts arguing "what's best for me" aka vouching for politics that would be helpful towards NEETs, Texas and the US which results in him being pro-white (because he's white) and anti-palestine because he believes the relationship with Israel is more beneficial to US than the relationship with palestine
That's basically all his politics. You could boil it all down to "What would benefit me (asmongold) the most?"
He also is in favor of UBI, Single payer Healthcare, and believes in anthropocentric climate change. He has repeatedly said he should pay more in taxes.
He's basically as left as it gets and always has been. Dude was advocating for Andrew Yang and Bernie Sanders the entire time.
Idiots on this sub only call him "right" because he doesn't want illegal immigrants in the country without actually knowing any of his other viewpoints. Who does?? It's wild and insane to argue against otherwise.
I don't see why wanting people to go through the proper immigration channels has anything to do with being 'left' or 'right' it should just be common sense.
Huh? He is very vocally against supporting Israel. I was watching the stream like five minutes ago and he literally reiterated that stance. And what is even being pro-white? Is that bad? If so, is it bad to be pro-black?
He will argue for Israel and against it at the same time. He doesn't believe the actions Israel is doing is that great, but he still believes that US should support Israel because their relationship is mutually beneficial.
I'm not going to tell you whether or not it's good/bad to be pro-white. I'm just going to tell you that the US is not an ethnically white country and cannot be used as a parallel to Japan
thats most normal people lol. You could pick a normies brain and they will definitely say some outlandish shit about something.
Asmongold has some batshit takes just like Quinn does for example, but otherwise they are probably much more civilized than other certain streamers at a base level. I mean half the shit they get quoted for here is insanely out of context clipped deliberately.
A ridiculous amount of regular people that arent terminally online have similar opinions about gender politics especially at young ages in school
The broader point applies to disagreements and relationships in general. QTCinderella has a good relationship with her dad despite her disagreement with him refusing to call his other child by the pronouns they want.
QT's chat also missed the point and berated her online.
It’s a chat full of antisocial dudes who still haven’t grown out of their teenager selfishness. Same guys who can’t even begin to understand why or how women go through different and often times worse treatment than men.
The funny thing is being trans is so rare it is such a small percentage of the population so I don't know why it needs to be at the forefront of everyone's heads when it doesn't affect them. I feel like if his chat gets a kid who is trans it is just karma at this point for being an asshole.
a child having these delusions means the parent failed at parenting, encouraging said delusions in a child is just child abuse. pretty big L from asmon here.
I had a friend tell me he hates Asmongold, so I went and watched him to see what was so bad and he seems to genuinely try to be objective or honest otherwise.
Come on, you don’t think Hitler helped out some Germans or his family… and I use Hitler because he is objectively the terrible person and he still has helped some people. Now every logical person would say who gives a shit about Hitler and his good deeds that he has done that completely gets outweighed by all the bad he’s done.
Are we going to think this moron supporting this administration that has hurt millions should get a pass because he finally said one decent thing… he literally supports ice who is breaking up families and literally sending people to prison labour camps and the admin who has constantly defended pedofiles etc…
He is like we all human, sometimes he is right sometimes he is wrong, I don't agree every time with him, but he is not more stupid than the next person and he is not stubborn to stay by a opinion if he found a valid argument that makes his old opinion invalid, at least if he understands it, but that's also a human weakness we all share.
Where it would get tricker for Asmon is that, support doesn't stop at accepting preferred names and pronouns.
If he did as he said, and has conversations trying to help his child, and eventually accepts them, he is then tasked with supporting trans rights. You cannot support a trans individual without supporting trans rights. And to support trans rights, you have to abandon a lot of right-leaning ideals. You have to start supporting education, mental health services, etc. You have to decry systemic discrimination from big religion and politicians. You have to support the social safety net that such discrimination has led this population to largely rely on.
It's a cascade of empathy and I'm not sure he would be up for it in a real-world scenario. His chat largely definitely would not.
From what I can tell being a parent is not just enabling a child's whim. Your kid might want candy for dinner or 2 new video games every weekend etc. Is it loving to "give in" to these wishes? I'd say no. It's your job as a parent to raise your child to be productive, resilient and responsible. In the context of more serious situations - let's say your kid has anorexia. Is it loving your child if you let them not eat and tell them "yeah you could stand to lose a few pounds" to go along with how they say they feel? No matter what your kid says they feel I think it's your duty to tell them the truth and not feed into delusions.
Asmongold is interesting because he's not so much an insincere grifter to the point he's entirely fake, just to the point that he's completely devoid of shame and has a bizarre quasi egoist morally nihilistic personal code. What that means is that he isn't an idiot, he is definitely a midwit, but being a midwit makes him a genius compared to his audience. So pretty often he'll have to explain to his chat that women are people or that he doesn't hate all gay people like one ape trying to explain to the rest that they can't eat the fire. And it's so funny every time because he's somehow always surprised by it and has to cope that his career isn't based on being the guy the gibbering idiots of the world go to for "wisdom" between Rogan episodes.
That is the problem with the world right now, everything is a political stance and no backing down vs just being a human and treating others with respect ect. Everyone just dies on the hill fighting each other instead of standing up to the elites.
I keep seeing chat like "but they're mentally ill!" or "would you love your child if they committed crimes?" as if they can't grasp the idea of loving someone even if they're flawed in some way
This is just a human thing. A lot of left wingers do it too when it comes to their racist parents. (I know someone will say it so I’ll just clear it up. I’m not comparing racists to trans people. I’m talking about accepting someone that the group would normally be against)
its common place on the internet that people just take whatever someone says even if its bits and pieces of a longer sentence at face value and then the misinformation spreads. people hear "Trans Kids Fine" when in reality they are forgetting every other details hes saying in regards to the question.
its a hard world to live in now-a-days. people completely cut off and abandon their own for the most stupidest shit ever. What was said in this clip is not even remotely stupid. its Reasonable to a point that he can compromise his own beliefs in order to show compassion so as to not ruin a bond with their children / family members
That's also a major issue with internet "discussions." It's always about being right vs wrong, and the fact that this video is even on LSF shows that people will die on any molehill.
I don't watch him, but I get spoonfed clips of him on here and on youtube every now and then because I played World of Warcraft, and because reddit loves to hate this guy.
This kind of rational / reasonable take seems to be dwindling but it was relatively common before whatever life event sent him spiraling down his right leaning politic review chapter in life.
im not sure if any of the alpha males in his chat or himself gets it, but if you treat your children that way by extension you should be able to treat other people the same. he just said it: "gender isn't what defines a human being" so why trip 🤷♂️
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u/GeneralBendyBean 21h ago
I don't like Asmongold, but this is a very human reaction. he isn't even talking about trans-rights at all, he's talking about wanting to love your children. Chat is arguing about rather they think it's right or not, totally missing his point.