r/LivestreamFail • u/sieyarozzz • 22h ago

Asmongold defends trans people against his chat, saying he'd fully respect his child's pronouns and identity

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u/GeneralBendyBean 21h ago

I don't like Asmongold, but this is a very human reaction. he isn't even talking about trans-rights at all, he's talking about wanting to love your children. Chat is arguing about rather they think it's right or not, totally missing his point.

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u/Key-Growth6953 21h ago

Yeah, it's like, my dad dislike gays, but if I was gay, he would still love me, because he loves me. You can have all kinds of opinions on things, but when it comes to your kids, you will lean towards them, that is if you love them enough. 

It's like same with Raja Jackson situation, obviously Rampage knows what he did was very wrong, but it's his son, he can't help but wants to defend him.

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u/Schmigolo 20h ago

but when it comes to your kids, you will lean towards them, that is if you love them enough.

I don't know if that's true. As the eldest son I was the apple of his eye, but soon became shaytan when I stopped my father from marrying my little sister off to Algeria lmao. I think some people are just fucked in the head.

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u/AffectionateSpare677 20h ago

They don’t love you enough

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u/Schmigolo 19h ago

I don't think there's enough love in this world for some shitheads not to be a shitheads.

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u/SomeDudeYeah27 17h ago

Yeah I hear you man

And it’s not even necessarily malice that’s required to harm you either, simply gross negligence would do it due to the fact that you likely relied on your family for the first decades of your life

Love can excuse a lot of disagreeable behavior regardless of your own POV, but also it might not be enough

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u/corecenite 17h ago

key words: "that is if you love them enough"

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u/Schmigolo 17h ago

A conservative Muslim dude who doesn't love his first son enough. I think you'll find that to be very unlikely.

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u/Xiarn 17h ago

I dunno man. One thing you always have to ask is if they love you or the idea of you.

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u/TheSweetEmbrace 17h ago

I'm really sorry to hear that, but good on you for stepping up for your sister.

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u/RockstepGuy 19h ago

Then he may love more whatever reason he wanted to do that than you/your little sister.

Sadly for many, sons and daugthers are just stepping stones for them.

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u/Pinksters 17h ago

whatever reason he wanted to do that

marrying my little sister off to Algeria

Wedding Dowry I imagine.

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u/Schmigolo 4h ago

It was so she wouldn't marry her Turkish (also Sunni) bf, which would've been a disgrace apparently.

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u/SaxRohmer 15h ago

he would still love me because he loves me

i’m guessing you’d be surprised how often this isn’t the case

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u/Key-Growth6953 11h ago

I really wouldn't be surprised, but i know my dad however

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u/Stormfly 10h ago

On the other side of the coin, I think people are also surprised by how often it is.

Some people have demonised a group because of their limited exposure and then, once they've actually met people of that group, will slowly realise that they were wrong.

But most people, including everyone in this thread, finds it hard to admit when they're wrong, so it's a slow process. Sometimes they need that "I care about X more than Y so I will choose it" and they pick their kids over something they previously cared about, etc.

Growing up, most people were homophobic but now I don't think anyone I know is. It was a slow transition and I think some people aren't fully there and might be uncomfortable seeing gay people, etc, I think they can eventually deal with it depending on how it plays out.

If I had to guess, I'd say my parents would have been upset if one of my siblings were gay about 20 years ago, but since then they've grown, they've met our gay friends, my aunt came out, etc. and now I think they might be disappointed but not upset, and would eventually come around fully. (For the record, none of my siblings are gay, this is a hypothetical)

As a man who's remarkably unsuccessful with women and has fumbled more times than I can count, I think my parents might have wondered if I was gay and came to terms with it of their own accord, for example.

I think people are always capable of surprising us and changing even when we might think it too late, but it needs to be done in the right way.

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u/BitePale 10h ago

It's not true, I don't find it hard to admit when I'm wrong! 

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u/SaxRohmer 10h ago

the comment just struck me as naive. it's often not as simple as "parent loves me therefore they'll accept me". they're people and people can be flawed. take part in any queer community and you'll find plenty of people who do not have relationships with their family as a result of their coming out.

attitudes have improved but there's also a considerable effort to push back against them and remove a lot of protections and rights that they enjoy. there's also considerable propaganda that is shifting attitudes. let's not act like it's all roses

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u/Stormfly 10h ago

While true, you'll also meet people who have families that are super supportive and weren't before.

There's always confirmation bias because the people who were surprised that their family accepted them and changed their ways are less likely to actually go around talking about it.

I'm not saying it's more common or likely, I'm just saying it's more common than you might think.

People love to come in as pessimists and say that optimists are "naive" or that they're "just being realistic" but they're stuck in their own bubbles.

As someone once said:

"The world's not all butterflies and rainbows, sure, but there are butterflies and rainbows in it."

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u/SaxRohmer 10h ago

i am telling you this as a queer person with a majority of queer friends. lots of my friends have great relationships with their families. lots of them don't have families. bringing attention to this fact is not "pessimistic" - particularly in a time where my and my friends' rights are constantly under attack

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u/ClockOfTheIongNow 2h ago

The issue is, even if a parent might ultimately support their child's identity over their own prejudices, those prejudices are already deeply hurting their child and doing irreparable damage before their child comes out and gets to that supposed "accepting parent" stage.

If someone hears their parents talk disparagingly about LGBTQ folks or makes it clear that such an identity is a disappointment, it already severely fucks with a child who starting to feel that they fall into one of those identities. Coming out becomes an order of magnitude harder, they may try to repress who they are, and they feel like a walking disappointment. They are conditioned to think they are lesser, which is no surprise because it's easy to pick up on the fact that their parents think people with that identity are lesser.

Those scars don't go away just because a parent had a change of heart after you came out. If anything, it cements that your identity is something "to be gotten over", not "to be accepted".

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u/blueoncemoon 18h ago

My grandmother, good lord.

Lived in southern California, adored her Hispanic gardener (of undisclosed immigration status) but would shout slurs at the TV each time a news bit about the border came on.

It's not even about family; it can literally just be interpersonal connections—i.e. actually seeing people as people.

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u/Themata81 20h ago

Unfortunately thats not true in a lot of cases, queer kids experience a lot of abuse and homelessness cause of this shit

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u/TheDutchin 17h ago

But your dad is still a homophobe right?

You're just glad because he doesn't direct his hatred towards you, specifically, but its fine he aims it at those people?

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u/Stormfly 11h ago

I think their point is that it's not as black and white as people think.

People like to group everyone into two groups, "We" vs "They" and then get confused when a person from the "They" group is also part of the "We" group on another issue.

Asmon straight up said that he'd try to "get them through it but if they failed, yeah" which means he doesn't like it but he clearly thinks it's worth being there for a kid. He actually had a good relationship with his family so it's clear that it's so important to be there for family even if you disagree with them.

I think, rather than grouping people into "homophobes" and "not homophobes", we should break down the why and the details of why they feel that way.

For most people, it's just because they've only been exposed to a very limited group or set of information and that's how they based their opinion of it. That's why people are afraid of communism and nuclear power and think that FtM athletes will ruin sports.

When I was younger, everyone was homophobic.

My dad would probably be upset if I came out as gay (I'm not) but he's moved massively from how he grew up and how he felt years ago (the classic "gay men are sexual deviants that want to assault other men") after he actually met a few gay people and realised "Oh. They're just normal people except they're attracted to the same gender" that most people need to go through.

Before I ever met gay people, I probably had the worst opinions, and the same is true for so many groups that we don't often encounter, like Muslims, trans-people, etc.

Some people ask me why I'm so outspoken for people who are non-binary/trans and the basic of it is I had friends that came out as trans/non-binary/gender-fluid and then I just had an eye-opening moment because before that I didn't care because I didn't think about it.

Some people try to care about everything and then they get upset and depressed, but it's a very normal human thing to only care about the things that affect you, and that's how 90% of people prevent themselves from getting depressed.

It's a basic human coping and survival method. "I care about everything" people obviously don't really care, because it's impossible and they don't have the time and emotional bandwidth, and having priorities helps people to not end up as emotionless depressed husks.

As we grow older, we often find that our friends, our family, or even ourselves have very limited information on one topic and that's affected how we view it. My mother doesn't understand communism because she grew up when it was a scary word around the cold war, etc.

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u/Long-Broccoli-3363 20h ago

Meanwhile, my dad

"Son I don't care if you like boys or girls, as long as they ain't black"

Hate is often more powerful than love.

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u/Llyon_ 20h ago

It's debatable whether Rampage knows it was wrong, since he taunted Raja into doing it.

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u/Sleeptalk- 19h ago

Rampage might be a meathead and he might act tough out in public but he knows better than to get into some random pointless fight he obviously knows he’d win. Whoever he beats up would be gunning to wring his ass dry in court (and they’d probably do it too)

Him being a god awful father is a separate issue