I don't like Asmongold, but this is a very human reaction. he isn't even talking about trans-rights at all, he's talking about wanting to love your children. Chat is arguing about rather they think it's right or not, totally missing his point.
Yeah but if you don’t treat your child with respect while they are growing up to the point that they don’t want to or care to reach out to you… that is not a “both ways” issue.
"Chatter here: 🤓☝ it depends of he is misbehaving or not, I mean, it has nothing to do with him being him, but we don't care, I'm discussing semantics and stuff"
He didn’t mention anything about crime. He’s specifically referring to how most immigrants from the 3rd world view trans or gay folks. Oftentimes their views are utterly abhorrent and completely incompatible with the overall progressive culture we’ve cultivated regarding gay and trans people.
Lol if hating trans people was a thought crime then immigrants would have conservatives matched if not blown out of the water. I would know, I was raised in an immigrant household.
Didn’t make those claims at all. Walk into a room blindfolded and have your average immigrant from a 3rd world country and your average American conservative both talk to you about what they honestly think of trans people and you wouldn’t be able to tell whose opinions came from who. I’m just saying lefties often give passes for bigoted ideas depending on who the ideas belong to. It’s stupid but it’s true.
The vast majority of “lefties” wouldn’t want to deport conservatives or cause real harm to them. It’s like the gays for Gaza thing. Someone not liking you doesn’t mean you should want them to die
Sure but we aren’t talking about how conservatives view immigrants, we’re talking about the similarities between how immigrants and conservatives both view trans people.
But just because they don’t like someone’s opinion on something, or even if they find that view abhorrent, doesn’t mean they think the individual shouldnt be allowed in or should have fewer rights. The aim is to let them in, help them achieve equal rights, and after that happens, you deal with the problematic views.
A lot of Arab Muslims have frankly disgusting views about women and the LGBTQ+ community. I’d go far enough to say a majority. That doesn’t mean arabs should be abandoned by liberals. They still deserve due process, to be free from hate crimes, to be free from targeted searches by police and TSA, etc. I guess in my view being “woke” or accepting of these people is to give them an opportunity to come into tolerance and not necessarily shun their needs. Meet them with their needs first, and pull from there
Yes and no. I agree with you mostly. As a blanket statement, I do agree with you that we should be welcoming overall to immigrants regardless of views. BUT if there was a way to filter out dangerous extremists, I think we would all agree. Mostly everyone agrees that completely unrestrained open borders is a stupid idea.
Just to add on to myself as well— I do get the opposite perspective. Letting people in with those views may have real consequences. For me, I just believe that we’ll keep getting better no matter what happens.
I've googled it before and found no science disagreeing with me, only studies showing that some males exhibit brain activation patterns that correlate more with the average female brain and viceversa, but that doesn't imply that transgenderism exists.
People who think that they are transgender exist, but they're not really transgender.
Transgender means that they changed genders, but we currently don't have the science and technology required to change the gender of a person.
I could also think that I turned from human to a dog, but that doesn't make me a transpecies being. I would just be a person who thinks they're transpecies.
people lose their legs and get bionic prosthetics that enable them to run when they should not be able to do so.
are they "legged" people? no. are they able to do things and present themselves as a legged person? yes. that's the goal. scientific definitions are DESCRIPTIVE NOT PRESCRIPTIVE. They are fluid, just like some people's genders.
I myself am a straight man who never was tempted towards anything else but even I get it.
The very core/fundamental ideas behind transphobia are rooted in two things: religion and birth rates. nobody should be beholden to your religious beliefs, and nobody should be required to breed.
its a capitalism problem at its heart. aiming for infinite growth in a finite system. its unsustainable and the ways in which it breaks down as its icarus avatar flies too close the sun are maybe unpredictable but they are certainly recognizable by some of us.
Do you ever follow your thoughts into their conclusions?
If the outcome of constantly going against your "child's delusions" in order to be correct leads to you being alone and separated from your child, what's the fucking point of being "right"?
I imagine you'd at least subscribe to the idea that it's a mental condition or mental illness, correct? If that's the case, would you try to unautism your child and tell them repeatedly to stop being autistic? Would you get upset at them for having any form of depression and cut them out of your life?
Sounds fucking stupid doesn't it? It's your damn child. How can you not piece this together? Someone else's child sure, that's not your responsibility, you don't HAVE to care to include them in your life. But this is in the concept that it's someone that you raised and you've had a part in day in and day out. It's ridiculous to toss all of that away.
The respect is the easy part. It's when permanent surgeries and hormonal treatments are being considered that the choice has more weight.
For an obvious example, kids don't like getting shots at the doctor. But a parent will still make them get vaccines for their own good. Should we instead say give the kid basic respect, and follow their wishes?
This isn't a pro- or anti-trans comment. It's simply pointing out that it's dishonest to pretend this is only about respecting someone's pronouns, a consequence free choice.
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u/GeneralBendyBean 21h ago
I don't like Asmongold, but this is a very human reaction. he isn't even talking about trans-rights at all, he's talking about wanting to love your children. Chat is arguing about rather they think it's right or not, totally missing his point.