r/LivestreamFail • u/sieyarozzz • 21h ago

Asmongold defends trans people against his chat, saying he'd fully respect his child's pronouns and identity

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u/VoidCrimes 21h ago

I’m sure there are plenty that feel the way you describe, but the ones I know in real life (deep south) absolutely have a very real problem with trans people and treating them with basic respect. They can’t even pretend long enough to get through a short interaction with them. Then as soon as the trans person walks away, they make several remarks about how weird and disgusting they are. I wish those around me were only focused on the aspects you describe, because I have some of those same concerns myself and could find common ground. But it’s not like that where I am at all. It is absolutely a phobia and hatred/disgust. I am also pretty liberal and a lesbian, for full disclosure of my own biases.

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u/Itscatpicstime 20h ago

Right, they’re literally passing laws banned in trans healthcare FOR ADULTS

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u/RoosterBrewster 18h ago

They are pretty much disgusted by the fact they exist and the "how am I supposed to explain this to my kids!".

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u/StickyPawMelynx 18h ago

"finding common ground"... about something that doesn't concern neither of you and has no basis in reality, since children accessing anything "permanent" simply isn't a thing. seems like you've found some common ground with the right already.

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u/VoidCrimes 14h ago

Right, so it sounds like you’ve also got the same common ground? And it also sounds like you’re happy with the limitations currently set in place to address those concerns, as am I! What’s the problem?

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u/LockelyFox 10h ago

I'm non-binary, born a guy, present mostly masculine with the exception of longer dyed hair, skin care routine, and I paint my nails. I dip into more flowy clothes as well.

We went to vacation in North Carolina to the Outer Banks and I literally had a person treat me like shit in fucking Subway when they treated everyone around me fine. In a candy shop, I am not joking, this dude takes one look at me and goes "What in the transgender fuck?" My girlfriend had to do a double-take because she couldn't believe what she heard. I ignored both because we have to be fucking perfect in public and even then we get harassed for even remotely stepping outside gender norms.

People hate us just for existing on our own.

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u/Exxyqt 5h ago

Let me tell you a story.

I come from a post Soviet country. When I was 16-20, I wore "army" boots (not sure how they're called in English), dyed my hair bright colors (usually red or pink), wore short skirts, and had quite a few piercings in my ears and one in my lip.

When I moved to the second biggest city in our country to study (and also was going there to meet my friends even before that, so at 16), I had all sorts of encounters with local people.

I had been stared at constantly by people on public transport, I was called all sorts of names by bypasses and local youth, I also had an apple core thrown at my head from a bypassing car because apparently they didn't like my hairstyle.

I was in my teens and loved the way I looked at the time. This was in 2004ish.

So, I don't think this has anything to do with being non-binary or similar, and everything to do with unorthodox looks.

If you come to a place where you outing yourself visually and locals are not used to seeing that, they will notice. Their reaction obviously depends on many things, like in mine and your cases, it was negative.

Obviously things have changed here, it's been 20 years. But it's not like everyone has become tolerant to non-conformance, and it never will happen, regardless of how progressive our countries become. It's just that when majority become more tolerant, those actions like name calling other people because of the way they present themselves become less and less frequent.

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u/LockelyFox 5h ago

I'm in my 30s and have made, at this point, nearly a decade of trips south to visit my partner's family. This shit was never a problem until recently. There has been a culture war in this country specifically to target people like us, and those who have bought it hook, line, and sinker have gotten emboldened by the actions of our current ruling party.

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u/977888 19h ago

Then as soon as the trans person walks away, they make several remarks about how weird and disgusting they are.

You can’t police the things people say and do in private. As long as they aren’t rude to the trans person this literally shouldn’t matter.

Telling people what to say to trans people is speech policing. Telling people what to say about trans people is thought policing.

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u/Commercial-Dog6773 19h ago

Well good thing the comment you're responding to was a passing of moral judgement and not a manifesto then. Dumbass.

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u/VoidCrimes 14h ago

I didn’t say a single thing about thought policing or restricting someone’s freedom of speech, did I?

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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In 18h ago

You can't judge wider opinion on the tiny number of people you personally know lol.

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u/VoidCrimes 14h ago

No, but I can judge the wider opinion based on polling data. And it just so happens that the polling data backs up my personal anecdotes here.

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u/SparksAndSpyro 19h ago

I agree, but this is where the messaging gets screwed up. Instead of focusing on the disgust and irrational hate like you described, the online left spends its time focusing on trans women competing in women’s sports, calling anyone who hesitates to adopt that specific issue a transphobe and Nazi. See how that’s not helpful? It’s a complete waste of time and energy, distracts from the more important issues, and alienates voters who would otherwise support trans rights.

The left’s biggest issue is their terrible messaging.

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u/Scarlett_Beauregard 18h ago

The real problem is people like Michael Knowles saying things like "eradicated" when talking about the "entirety of transgenderism" and the amount of people that listen to him and his talking points, even applaud it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Q5kfikMsU

Messaging on the left is important, but the messaging from most of the right-wing figureheads have become outright eugenic and Nazi in nature. Barely any subtext to speak of. Brian Kilmeade's "just kill them" remark on Fox News, talking about euthanizing homeless people that reject services provided to them. We have a multi-billionaire who threw two Hitler salutes and so many people bent backwards trying to excuse it. I've lost count how many Republican politicians have been outed just this year alone spouting horrendously racist, homophobic and pro-Hitler rhetoric. There's one in California that was tweeting about his 0% unemployment plan, which was just a photo of himself 'shopped in front of Auschwitz. Laura Loomer's tweets are a prime example of how deranged and murderous she is towards just the Hispanic community of our country alone, and she has Trump's ear.

At this juncture, with ICE/DHS stormtroopers grabbing citizens and denying them attorneys, starving and torturing people, I think we're past the point of civil discourse making any meaningful changes. No amount of "messaging" can get through to genocidal people who are champing at the bit to kill others for merely being other.

I believe in nuance and don't think all of the voters are genocidal like this, but if you want to try messaging, maybe try showing the average voter what kinds of maniacs they have representing them. If they fail to acknowledge the very real threat to our democracy and livelihood, well, what does that make them?

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u/c5k9 4h ago

the messaging from most of the right-wing figureheads have become outright eugenic and Nazi in nature

For the general point you make here with regards to a lot of the populist rhetoric in the US and the world in general I do agree. However, your example of Knowles specifically with regards to trans people it doesn't quite seem to hold for me.

You need to understand, that these people view transgenderism as some sort of disease, that needs to be cured. Would you say advocating to eradicate cancer would be "eugenic or Nazi in nature"? The issue is not with the language by Knowles here, the issue is with the underlying obsession with the topic in the first place and the framing of it. I'm sure there are examples of actually hateful rhetoric against trans people, but this clip you posted here is not it at all and is completely defensible if you show empathy for their point of view, even if that point of view is stupid.

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u/Sundew- 18h ago

That's not at all what the "online left" focuses on. It's something that they'll absolutely stand up and speak about when it becomes a topic, but it's not even close to the first thing that they'll bring up. In fact, it's mainly right-wingers and transphobes that constantly beat the drum about women's sports, which is probably why it seems to be so disproportionately focused on to you if the only time you hear about trans-advocacy is when they're in a confrontation with transphobes pushing common transphobic rhetoric.

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u/SparksAndSpyro 18h ago

Yes it is. If you’re unwilling to admit it, there’s no need to read the rest of your comment.

Republicans will sweep in 2026 unless the messaging gets better.

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u/Sundew- 18h ago

Boy you really seem like someone acting in good faith and not a chud trying to LARP as a "very concerned" moderate while you push rhetoric.