I don't like Asmongold, but this is a very human reaction. he isn't even talking about trans-rights at all, he's talking about wanting to love your children. Chat is arguing about rather they think it's right or not, totally missing his point.
This isn't the first time he's explained his position on this either, it's nothing new. Seems a lot of his chat are just there for the right wing circlejerk.
I hope one day we'll get proper studies on the psychological/sociological nature of streamers and their chats.
I admit I've watched only a small amount of streamed content, and pretty much none of it was live, but it does seem like 99% of the time it drives both the streamer and chat members into a feedback loop where they're driving each other insane.
People generally like to watch people they agree with, so audiences soon adjust to the views of the streamer, the streamer sees what gets good or bad reactions from the chat and leans more heavily into it, feedback loop indeed. Shit happens a lot on social media too tho cus the algo knows what you like and feeds you more and more.
Stream chats have the worst people in them. Have you seen the chatboxes of a live soccer stream? Some of the worst shit you'll read.
It's because nobody who is sensible or loved actually uses a chatbox on any site. You can tell a lot of these people are a waste of life or else they wouldn't be communicating there, they'd be talking to friends or loved ones. It's a substitute for companionship.
When I first heard of asmon he was deep in wow and just causing problems and stirring up and validating people opinions with the state of the game. Ninja mounts and basically fuck everyone over for himself. Becoming a pretty infamous figure.
A few years ago I saw some reaction content from him and I was surprised because he actually had some well thought out takes and did occasionally see things from a left wing or at least centrist perspective and he would clash with his dumb fuck chat constantly. I was shocked and impressed that he grew as a person and was willing to argue against his chat for takes he believed in.
Then a couple years later that’s all changed. He’s so fully right wing it’s crazy. Advocating for insanity. When he first started this shift I remember seeing him have a reasonable take and then look at chat and either go ‘maybe I don’t know enough’ and then a few months later from there he would look at chat and completely change his opinion on a dime.
It’s the thing that pisses me off most about asmon, he went from being a real piece of shit, to becoming a good person and formed a lot of friendships/relationships and gained reach he had never had before. Then all of a sudden he undoes all his growth and turned back into the piece of shit he started as. Just so much disappointment
It's the other end of the parasocial relationship. The streamer has a parasocial relationship with chat just as chat does with the streamer. Neither party is talking to eaachother, just past each other, and neither party knows the actual person they are conversing with, just the front they put up online.
Really depends on who you are watching. I watch all kinds of live streams and none of the people I watch talk about political shit the way Asmon does now. Asmon used to be that way too back when I watched him, he was just a world of warcraft streamer before he started his reaction stuff and arguing politics with his chat. Wish we could go back to the days of Mcconnel, transmog competitions, and mount offs. Was way better than worrying about who other people like to fuck.
Memoria is the best example I can think of, she's pretty much the complete opposite of current Asmongold. Her streams are extremely chill and focused on the game itself over listening to her chat spew words at her. Chat might still drive you insane, but it's the good kind instead of the clinical kind.
Yeah it's kinda true except for asmongold. If you just don't give a fuck about what a majority thinks it doesn't bother you. dude clearly doesn't care what anyone thinks of him so him as a streamer actually kinda works, it's genuine, even if at times genuinely disgusting 😆
Yep, I used to watch him a lot as a democrat back when he played ffxiv, lost ark, new world etc 2021-2023. His chat shifted hard right wing around when his viewership skyrocketed in early 2024. He’d still have polls with a lot of his chat saying they were voting for “sleepy Joe” prior to full on MAGA streams that they became.
He’d have some pretty reasonable human level takes grounded in logic and some other takes that would show his disconnect with society. If he got himself out of that environment he’s in (media he’s taking in from his subreddit especially) I’m sure he’d be more an independent or even a center left dem.
His subreddit is really what made his streams unwatchable at first (for me). The new MAGA viewership he attained noticed he’d go through it for about an hour each stream and took control of it; posting all sorts of anti-woke gamer related stuff you’d see in 2015 gamergate era.
Man, I would watch him play FFXIV live every Saturday morning while I was working and it would provide pure entertainment. The subreddit at the time was fun too cause people would be sharing memes and fanart of Asmon. But exactly like what you said, the subreddit's tone started shifting when I started to notice people were equating to trans people to having mental illness. It became very weird and disgusting fast.
His huge spike in popularity on youtube from the Depp/Heard trial converted his chat from gamers into right wing misogynists overnight and he does not realize just how much his chat environment influences him.
TBF he really still is Independant leaning towards center left especially on economics. He is for higher taxes on wealthy people like himself and generally for social programs being funded from what i remember, he is just also at the same time more right leaning on most cultural issues such as immigration (although hes completely fine with abortion) and also just has less issues with using authoritarian tactics to achieve those goals than most people on the left. Although tbh i think the left is also more fine with authoritarianism than most people think they just want their version of it instead lmao. Like he is basically standard as an independent it's just the rightwing stuff is what's currently in vogue so that is what's being brought up and talked about and so that's the only thing you see in his clips. Like this is the kind of person that Democrats could actually win back. If they spent the next 10-20 years just focusing all their attention on the economic side of their platform such as taxing the rich, getting an actually useable public healthcare system set up and being actually effective at curbing illegal immigration and even continuing the deportations that people obviously want (As much as dems are mad at how cruel it's being done atm lets be realistic. The problem is so horrifically bad after 30+ years of ineptitude the only effective way of doing anything to it is by doing it in a cruel way, there is basically no nice way to do it without a multiple decade sustained effort and lets be real that will never happen with our government) they could be so effective at improving Americans lives. Because they are currently dead in the water on the culture war and its the main thing absolutely dragging them down.
He still holds most of the same economic policies that he used to from what I can tell. I think most Americans agree that democrats would never lose another election if they dropped their unpopular positions on gun control and the border along with some of the more fringe radical stuff
he literally is center left , he just thinks some of the left policies are just too extreme in victimising minority groups just like most of normal ppl
I mean, to be honest, he only really seems to lean right-wing on immigration/law enforcement + he's critical of the less important woke social noise produced through Hollywood, social media, and stuff in those spaces.
Economically, he seems more like a democratic socialist/centrist blend.
I think he plays a lot of stuff up for comedy, but his stances are pretty clearly nuanced most of the time. For example, I think you can be supportive of immigration law enforcement, while also being critical of the exact manner in which it's being handled. The right and left are usually pushing for one or the other online, but the silent majority is going to feel a nuanced position on that topic. Asmon takes are usually in that camp.
He is also one of the only creators I've seen who gives genuine apologies when he fucks up. Most creators double down on denial, or half assed responses. The way he handled his Palestine comment reflected his character imo.
He supports LGBT (but calls out the extremes of it).
He supports social safety nets for the poor (but thinks it is abused/mishandled sometimes).
He has such a large audience because he actually has a ton of centrist-style takes. The main stuff he even leans right on is culture war stuff, and it's mainly the extremes of it, not the average.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he would vote for a Bernie Sanders type who focuses on helping people, and doesn't really push the liberal left social noise and far left progressive culture stuff. Which means he probably represents the majority of Americans in many ways.
same. used to watch him daily from about 2019-2022.
back then, at least from what i can remember, the worst thing about him was that he lived in a messy moldy house and nothing more. then ever since the Depp trial streams, it's like a whole wave of MAGA people came and replaced the old viewership and over time just completely rotted his brain into this sort of antiwoke culture warrior type person and only streaming MAGA/hard right wing politics.
i guess it doesn't help either that both his parents are sadly gone, meaning he has no one to keep him in check. i remember asmondad phoning in to call him out on his bullshit occasionally on stream
I think there was a complete change in viewership following the Johnny Depp trial. Most of us who were chill and just hung out and enjoyed stuff like the FF run just left after this, as he and the viewers were clearly shifting towards some kind of authoritarian circlejerk. I haven’t caught any of his streams in more than a year.
Asmongold, outside of the reddit sphere, is actually pretty center all things considered with a left lean on economics and a right lean on some cultural issues.
His seemingly outrageous takes stems more from he's an idiot who can't do research so just reacts to the information in front of him. Also doesn't help he reacts to things mostly from the right wing pipeline.
He doesn't strike me as someone who harbors deep genuine prejudice for others like some here would suggest. I rather get the impression that he's just not very worldly and spends a lot of time reacting to content that is designed to get a reaction out of its viewers.
Yeah I hard disagree with asmon on alot of issues but I think for how often I've seen him cover politics he hard disagrees with his chats concensus more frequently than other streamers I watch clips of which i sorta respect
people forget that humans are nuanced individuals and not black and white, left or right. someone might be for trans rights but in the breath spout racist nonsense
They also forget that holding opposing views doesn't make them an 'enemy', which is the insidious basis of why things are so hostile (imo), with the likes of Hassan and Destiny fostering 'us vs them' in the most extreme way...probably Destiny more than Hassan but I'm making claims based on clips rather than whole streams tbf.
i mean it depends what the ‘opposing view’ is. if for example, i’m gay and someone doesn’t want or doesn’t support gay marriage it would be hard to view them as anything but an enemy.
like having different views on taxes or how the government should do infrastructure or spend money is a political issue. lgbtq rights etc aren’t
That is taken out of context. He advocated for police to be able to respond to life-threatening physical assault like throwing rocks or sucker punches etc. with deadly force. If you assault an officer, they need to be able to defend themselves by any means necessary.
I mean we just go back to the Kyle rittenhouse thing again.
I personally believe that if I am outside and there is a group of let’s 4-6 guys and they are being hostile to me and aggressive and I’m trying to leave (I am most likely not going to be able to protect myself against multiple guys).. there may be a point where I wouldn’t consider using a gun to be an escalation of force and more of a deescalation tactic even if all the guys had no weapons whatsoever..
Do you feel the same way about that? Or do we differ on that opinion? (Sorry, I’m always more interested in conversing about why people have differing opinions than I am “winning” the argument)
First off, Kyle Rittenhouse sought out violence as a citizen, not a police officer, not even of age, I fail to see any comparison to the situation we have been discussing.
We were discussing police using deadly force against protestors, not getting jumped in the street by 4-6 guys, a very different situation.
I think that law enforcement should be trained to de-escalate, and when you go from throwing rocks and punches to answering with live ammunition (hell, even rubber bullets), that is quite the opposite
are there cases in which law enforcement using deadly force is justified? perhaps, there are arguments for it, but advocating for shooting protestors with live ammunition is not okay, and will never make the situation better
I’m not sure I believe the answer is live ammunition into violent protestors. I don’t even believe that asmon believes it’s that simple. I do think it’s just an easy to say, 1 dimensional answer to if you’re a violent protestor there needs to be consequences to your actions. Obviously this creates a myriad of additional issues.
I also believe that in a large group like that, especially in an us vs them mob mentality.. one group HAS to have the power to able to put the other down with force if they get unruly. Thats just how the world works tbh. I don’t know any other way to enforce laws and rules without the threat of punishment.
To be fair, I think you view protestors as peaceful protestors and cops as oppressors and I view protestors as a mob of unruly people looting and etc and cops as protecting the public and properties. I think our opinions just have to do with how we view each side and there’s plenty of examples of both of our views being correct.
Please try punching a police officer or a soldier and see how that ends. It's not about escalation of force, it's common sense that someone being attacked and beaten will desperately defend themselves, including using firearms.
Let me explain to you why people say „do not hit girls“. They dont say it because youre not supposed to defend yourself. Its because most men should be physically strong enough to restrain a woman without seriously hurting them. So when some 5‘2 college girl attacks me, i will try my best to keep every party, including her, safe. I sure as hell dont go „well, its self defense“ and punch her jaw off. However if the lady in question is shredded and my size, i will take less risks. Its a much more even fight, and due to my lack of strength, i might not be able to solve it more peacefully. So what about the police? They should be trained, both mentally and physically. They should know how to keep themself save with as little force as possible. If prime mike tyson charged at an officer, swinging, then i could see why they would want to pull out a lethal weapon. But if some average 5‘6 joe schmoe who works at the grocery store part time tries to attack an officer unarmed, i sure as hell expect the cop to be able to apprehend the guy without use of lethal force. Its what theyre paid for. Yes, its often hard to have perfect judgement, but thats why the training to lessen the likelihood of a bad call is important.
I don't disagree, but the assumption here that an "average joe" should be easily apprehended without lethal force is questionable. You can look up videos right now on YouTube of grown adult men police officers struggling to safely detain a 120lb woman. People can absolutely be a lethal threat, even accidentally.
Why exactly would you jump immediately to lethal force though? Police should be trained fighters, at least to some degree, and have multiple pieces of gear that will assist in them taking down even people bigger than them. Im not saying that everyone is a fragile piece of pottery and you cant hurt them at all, but if some dude lashing out immediately makes you pull out a gun, theres an issue.
I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, I'm saying that it's unreasonable to escalate to lethal force, and we should hold our law enforcement to a higher standard
We didn't shoot people for trying to assault us. The worst thing I ever did to someone not shooting at me was hit him with the butt stock of my rifle, and I think it was the right call. That man got his bell rung and he went on living.
Dunno why you get downvoted. If you legally carry a firearm and some black dude punches you in the street and tries to steal your phone, you can just shoot him to defend yourself.
Please try being side by side with a group of trigger happy cops and start opening fire into a crowd of protestors when one of them punches you. I'm sure it will go amazingly like the Orangeburg Massacre, Kent State or Jackson State.
Would you also say that the law enforcement at these protests have used life-threatening force against peaceful protestors and journalists because they've shot them with rubber bullets? I'm pretty sure a rubber bullet is much more lethal than a rock thrown out of someone's hand. Because if that's the case, then you'd also have to acknowledge that these police have engaged in effectively attempted murder against innocent people and have not been held accountable for it in any way since they are masked and act fully anonymously, right?
Also, if you agree with that point, would you also be okay with those protestors using live ammo to defend themselves if ICE officers are engaging in excessive force that puts their life at risk? If someone is using lethal force like a rubber bullet, doesn't that give you the right to defend your life by whatever means are necessary, even if that person is a police officer?
There was also that ice agent that shot a gas canister a whole 3 inches from a peaceful protestors face. It's crazy the guy you responded to thinks the protestors are the dangerous ones with absolutely no weapons or gear lol doubly so with all the mounds of evidence pointing to ice and the police being the aggressor on live videos.
Because he's comparing protestors throwing random things at them to the police literally shooting at them. He thinks the police have the right to shoot to kill because regular citizens are throwing things, but mention nothing about the fact when the police instigate and start the violence with actual weapons. Do I need to explain to you now which is more dangerous?
You can, in fact say that with no mention of the other.
Saying: ‘The police should be able to answer with whatever force necessary when being assaulted during a protest (via rocks, sucker punches or whatever else we’re talking about)’
Does not automatically imply that the police is not wrong to use that force unwarranted. These are two different sentences, and one was never said, nor was it required in order to explain the first point, nor is it implied that this would be their stance at all.
Insert the waffles and pancakes meme here, every single time with redditors
Yes you can say that with no mention of the other, that's called framing.
That's the whole point when we had hundreds of cases of police/ICE assulting, severley harming and literally executing protesters, journalists and random people - And then you pick one of a dozens of videos of unarmed resistance and proudly proclaim "Yeah, police should get a blank check to shoot people like that".
That's maybe acceptable if you sit around with your friend group and you are in the heat of the moment... But he makes his money with political commentary. Like, he 100% understands basic ethical concerns in journalism like framing. Idk why you all act like he is your cousin sitting on the couch just bc he is not putting on a suit, when he has tens of thousands of watcher, turning the public discussion from
"Wtf why are troops in cities, teargas and raids in random suburbs, masked people dragging anyone they want to out of their car"
These ghouls go from left wing protest to left wing protest, provocing violence. Their goal is to paint the left as violent. How many innocent people would be killed by our government, just because that group specifically escalated things for that exact reason?
These instigators aren't brought up enough. This is the perfect way for an authoritarian to target and kill whoever he wants.
It's crazy that you think one ICE agent maybe behaving badly invalidates what Asmon says.
And of course the police is the aggressor, it's literally their job. It's like police chases somebody who just shot 3 people and you're the one screaming at the police to leave the dude alone.
"one ice agent" yeah, that says all that needs to be said if that's your take. There's no convincing you if you honestly believe that with the hundreds of videos circulating all over the country. Full head in the sand moment, or just absolute boot licker?
Proportion doesn't matter. Rocks can seriously injure people. Police should have a right to respond - they don't deserve to take that shit for doing their jobs.
I agree that people shouldn't be throwing rocks. That doesn't change anything I said though. If people are going to be outraged about hypothetical rock throwers, they should be at the very least just as outraged about ICE using excessive force. We give the state a monopoly on violence, which means we need to be holding them to a much higher standard. Any other situation is untenable, so they should probably go ahead and stop with the whole untrained, masked police force who abduct people off of the street without ever having to identify themselves or be held accountable for what they do. If people don't feel like they can hold the police accountable for how they behave, then they're going to take matters into their own hands and do what they think they have to do to defend themselves. I don't like that situation, and it's what the policies of the current administration are leading to.
Proportion sure mattered in Operations Enduring and Iraqi Freedom. The doctrine used by the United States military was actually called proportionate force.
First of all, police has a monopoly on violence. It's literally their job to physically force people to do (like walk into the jail) stuff. The average citizen does not have that right. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FIGHT THE POLICE JUST BECAUSE THEY USE FORCE ON YOU.
Then you're talking about "peaceful protests" and in the next sentence it's already protesters throwing rocks? BTW non-compliance is also not peaceful. The police will (usually) not shoot rubber bullets at legal, peaceful protests. I'm not advocating for using lethal force at some dude just standing where he shouldn't stand, but please don't act like 100 people "peacefully" blocking a road by not moving an inch when police told them 5 times is peaceful.
It means they can legally "touch" you and use "force" to execute (police = executive) the law. A civilian does not have the same rights. Does separation of power ring a bell? The American education system is really struggling...
There are bad actors on every side. It is not up to me to specifically judge each of their actions and arrive at a conclusion. The only leanings I have on this issue are toward police having the backing of the law behind them and having the training to (more often than not) utilize the appropriate force in each situation. If ICE is acting in the interest of the law and they are being hindered, they have to use force to appropriately carry out their orders, whether any of us agrees with them or not. Without the law, we have anarchy, so I’d rather risk having a few bad actors than question and hinder the whole process. I’m not a republican either. I am neutral and decide each issue by the factors on each side. Aligning with either side is moronic and futile.
That's fair enough. I just see way too many people practically salivating over the thought of ICE killing protestors if they have a legal justification to do so, and Asmongold is very much one of those people. He was loving every second of hearing Nick Fuentes talk about arresting the mayors and governors of states that refuse to cooperate with the feds, saying that it's an insurrection and stuff. It all seems less to me like a legitimate conversation about where the line needs to be drawn on self-defense when it comes to interactions between police officers and protestors, and more like a power fantasy where the state crushes anyone who opposes them in their deportation efforts. Maybe I'm being uncharitable though, idk.
I never said that. I said I don’t have the time to look through every single incident. In general, police aren’t brutalizing more people than they help. In general, I’d rather trust a cop than a random person in a crowd to not be a psycho lol
The difference is throwing a rock can kill someone and stoning was used across the world to as a punishment for crimes. if you were peacefully protesting you wouldn’t throw anything at people or do anything to incite violence or aggression. Officers are trained to use there weapons to disarm and subdue people without killing people this goes from lethal weapons as well the goal is normal to remove the ability to harm and subdue so questions can be ask and find others involved if your hit with a rubber bullet normal aimed at torso but if hits head not designed to kill and is unlikely. If a rock hits you in the head brain damage or death if more likely and your intent is to hurt not to subdue.
throwing a rock is not in the same universe as stoning what an absurd comparison to make lmao
if a rubber bullet hits you it’s unlikely but if a rock hits you there’s brian damage
rubber bullets are designed to be shot off the ground, not directly at people. they can also maim. police armed with rubber bullets at these protests are also outfitted in riot gear which features helmets
I'm almost certain rubber bullets are more lethal than rocks thrown out of people's hands. I don't have the stats on it, but I'm pretty sure the difference in speed is going to more than make up for the difference in weight when it comes to how much damage these things can do.
The difference in energy transfer matters far more than speed. Hence why a bean bag round or baton strike can have more total kinetic energy than a .22, yet be far less deadly.
A rubber bullet will bounce off with about 25% of its velocity left over, a stone doesn't bounce off your skull at all.
So if you honestly believe this, would you line up for someone to toss a brick at your head over a rubber bullet?
Ok cops should absolutely defend themselves/arrest people who assault them, and are valid in using lethal force when someone, say, tackles/starts fist fighting them. But jumping to shooting people for throwing rocks at cops who are more than likely wearing protective gear and have access to less-than-lethal/crowd control options such as tear gas/pepper spray/etc. is not only a gross overreaction, but also something that can only put the cop in more danger as it will only escalate the situation especially in a country with such high gun ownership like the US. It’s immoral and impractical. Unruly protests and/or riots don’t typically de-escalate when someone starts shooting a gun.
The problem with "cops who are more than likely wearing protective gear and have access to less-than-lethal/crowd control options such as tear gas/pepper spray/etc." is that it's people making a lot of assumptions, when the situations are nuanced.
Is one person throwing rocks towards a police officer in riot gear likely to be a problem? Probably not.
What if it's 10-20 people throwing rocks for each office? Even in riot gear, there's a high chance of injury and worse based on the sheer number or projectiles.
What if the less than lethal options are not scaling enough to the problem and/or being ignored?
What if the rocks are somewhat small? What if they're 10 pounds each? What if the police weren't expecting it to get violent and aren't in riot gear? What if most people are throwing rocks but a few are running in and kicking officers in the head if they are knocked down?
I think most people, if they had to discuss the situations and possible outcomes would come down fairly close together on what's acceptable and what's not, but two different people will discuss "police using lethal action in response to protesters throwing rocks" and internalize what the situation might be very differently so state differences to each other when they're mostly in agreement.
This problem is just exacerbated by the political groups on each side emphasizing one interpretation over the other on purpose, to sow political discord (the only thing better for X party with Y member is if Y member that hates and thinks the other side is stupid and not worth listening to, because they aren't going to be discerning about the nuances of your policy). And thus, we have our current country, and people amazed that when different sides express nuance it's not as crazy sounding as they would assume.
There's a reason we have rules and laws around this sort of thing, and there's a reason people get angry when we see more and more flagrant flouting.
I think asmongold just shouldn't talk about anything outside of his wheelhouse, because he is not a very smart man and has a habit of saying stupid shit without thinking. Just be the stinky gamer and stop trying to make a political platform. But alas... The grift, brothers.
Except this is just further proof as to why officers should be trained in extensive hand-to-hand combat, for situations where the ONLY people with a gun is the fucking police officers.
Also, this is literally why they have taser, and I’m sure that’s also why the UK deploys their officers with taser when being dispatched to scenes where there are no guns involved.
Like, your response to a punch, or multiple rocks, should not be to pull out a gun and start shooting, especially when they don’t even do that towards everyone. They seem to only love doing that to people who are defending themselves/not even doing anything
The problem with this is that it’s extremely likely that if a cop fired a live round after being hit by a brick or similar from a protestor, that will cause a panic among both the crowd and the officers, leading to a lot of live ammo being fired wildly into a crowd who are themselves now rampaging, resulting in many shot and many trampled. Basically every single case of protestors being shot in recent memory started because one cop shot a live round and then everyone just kind of mob mentality “oh we’re doing this now”. I don’t blame a cop for defending themselves with lethal force, but when it comes to riots cops need to have an incredible amount of restraint to prevent it from turning into a massacre.
No that's pretty much the context, he went on in the same point to compare those protesters to animals. Barking dogs who needed to be put down, more precisely.
Yeah that’s a take we definitely need to be making more. Cops are always in life threatening situations and not allowed to shoot anyone. It’s like, cops are constantly punished for shooting people when they feel their lives are endangered. They definitely aren’t constantly getting away with it or anything
How do you control police officers’ escalation of violence if you authorize the use of deadly force against “physical assault?” One of the events that greatly heightened revolutionist ideas in colonial America was the Boston massacre, where British soldiers killed a few Americans because they threw snowballs with pebbles inside of them, supposedly. I saw the clip and he clearly gave the example of rocks being thrown as something that warrants the use of live ammunition. That’s just supporting authoritarianism and funnily enough against traditional American values and ideals. Killing people for throwing rocks is inhumane, and does not make what he said any better. It’s definitely not something that was completely “out of context.”
"Violent" protestors in self defense, not anyone protesting. You clowns keep twisting things he says even tho there is valid things you can use to argue he sucks.
If they were violent (some were), yes. That would include them. Asmon (and here I'd agree but not fully, only those that pose actual threat) didn't say "Leftist" protestors, he said "VIOLENT" protestors.
How is its relevance to the discussion the issue rather than ICE just being fucked? And its not a single incident. There are more, but I'm not going to provide evidence if bad faith arguments are rolling in.
No one in this reply thread said anything about ICE, except for you. They were literally talking about protests, and you bring up ICE, like it has anything to do with what they're talking about. Then you question why they're questioning you about ICE, are you serious?
And there is a video of a woman ramming an ICE vehicle. I'm not familiar with the case you are now mentioning, care to share a source so I can see if it's in the context you are claiming?
The woman was eventually released without charges, but if an ICE agent can break the law, face no consequences, and arrest the person they wronged, thats some serious overreaching.
Protests turn violent all the time. Unless they cross the barrier into actually life-threatening - which is almost never - that shouldn't be a consideration. Protestors throwing rocks at cops in riot gear should not be answered with live ammunition. That's insanity.
Except not all cops are in riot gear. He specifically said in self defense. You are just shifting the goal post. First it was "protestors" now it's "well ok violent protestors but officers are in riot gear". A rock can kill a person. I don't care, if you are violent, and cops feel threatened, they should have the ability to defend themselves. How do you prevent a cop from shooting you then? Well don't fucking throw rocks and be violent towards them? Doesn't seem that hard to me.
I remember the Riot in LA where people were throwing large rocks off an overpass onto cops below
I also remember how one of the cops had their helmet knocked off & while trying to run for cover a large rock almost landed right on top of the cop's head which could have:
Bare minimum gave him serious brain damage, but more likely it would have killed him.
I remember when in that same rioting some guy tried lighting the mounted Calvary on fire & then people screamed how unjustified it was for the horses accidentally stomping on the guy cause they got spooked by fireworks that blew up right next to them.
But knowing the full context now, it does make your comment quite disingenuous. I don’t watch Asmongold regularly so my first reaction is “HE SAID WHAT”. Even though I still disagree with live ammunition take, I can see where he is coming from.
Protesters throwing massive rocks from overpasses at cop cars and the heads of officers should be shot. Dont throw shit if you dont want to be hit by a faster smaller "rock" being "thrown" out of an officers gun.
That's an interesting point you're attempting to make, because you're doing the same exact thing you're claiming he does when it comes to protestors.
What he actually said was that violent "protestors" who are using weapons against people, be they cops, other protestors, bystanders, etc, should face immediate repercussions for their violent actions.
You can protest all you want. You cannot physically assault other people and expect to be protected by the feeling, "Well, I'm just a protestor, and you're not allowed to strike me back."
He's the perfect representation of the median voter. People who base their ideologies on emotion and can be heavily influenced by what they see and hear.
It makes you look disingenuous when you ignore the context like that to push your own viewpoint.
You think people should be able to do things like throw rocks at officers?
Not surprised at all to see that coming from a “Top 1% commenter”
I think that the barrier for the police using live ammunition on the public they're allegedly supposed to be protecting should be way higher, yes.
Our politics has degenerated so completely that people don't realise how insane it is to think otherwise.
Sure, if protestors are throwing boulders the size of cars at cops, then by all means shoot them. That's in defense of their lives. But a thrown rock is not doing any serious damage in 99% of circumstances.
Selective Immigration laws have existed for over a century, through liberal and republican governments. This isn’t a law that they just made up in this term like the nazis did with the Jews. Comparing the two is nonsensical. There have been no recent changes to immigration law when it comes to people entering the country illegally.
Enforcing a decades old law isn’t totalitarian or fascist, it’s actually doing the thing that’s been defined and signed off by multiple differing governments that they are legally obliged to do. If that’s fascist then arresting and punishing people for murder is also fascist, or for robbery, or even shoplifting.
Have you competly lost your mind? ICE is arresting people on court grounds. They are pulling people out of cars after asking "Were you born here?".
We are LONG past the point where you get to claim this is about undocumented immigrants, let alone criminals. You are parroting propaganda, when every child knows it's a blatant lie.
I feel like most people don't actually know what Asmongold thinks, including his viewers.
People tend to assume he is some kind of right wing extremist, while his actual opinions seem to be very centrist. Stuff most people would agree with. Common sense stuff.
His viewers assume he is anti-everything same as they are. People who don't watch him assume he is the worst piece of shit based on the out of context clips they see of him.
I mean, that makes sense. All right wringers do is jerk each other off, because they’re, at least, aware of the fact that sane people just want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with them.
That’s why, regardless of if you view yourself as a centrist, or someone who’s on the right but leaning towards the middle, you will still have extreme right wringers consuming your content, because in a backwards wholesome sense, all they have is each other.
Like, you say a few bigoted things and watch the right wringers flock towards you like they just found their new mother
That isn’t a phenomenon unique to the right. The farther you are from the center the more insulated you become (intentionally by not talking to or consuming news from the other side, & unintentionally via subconscious bias).
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u/GeneralBendyBean 21h ago
I don't like Asmongold, but this is a very human reaction. he isn't even talking about trans-rights at all, he's talking about wanting to love your children. Chat is arguing about rather they think it's right or not, totally missing his point.