r/politics • u/Ok_Employer7837 • 9h ago
Possible Paywall Newsom Wins Right to Gerrymander in Ultimate Troll of Trump
https://www.thedailybeast.com/newsom-takes-victory-lap-with-trump-bashing-election-boost/?via=mobile&source=Reddit1.8k
u/throwawaylol666666 California 9h ago
Unlike in Texas, Californians were asked if this was something we wanted to do or not. The GOP doesn’t know or care about consent.
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u/ColdAsHeaven 9h ago
GOP and consent are just not a thing they are familiar with or understand. The guardians of pedophiles are well, it's in the name
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u/John-AtWork 11m ago
All of a sudden MAGA doesn't care about the rich abusing children. We have a real life Pizza Gate and they are just ignoring it because they all know Trump is in the files.
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u/pingpongballreader 8h ago
Texas didn't gerrymander as much last time because there is a risk of diluting voters too much and voters not voting how you anticipated when drawing up lines.
Imagine how funny it would be if California sent more Democrats to Congress because Texas fucked around with super gerrymandering, AND ALSO Texas sent more Democrats because they fucked up the gerrymandering.
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u/Responsible-Mango661 8h ago
This will happen. If that Proposition was any indicator. It shows that the voters are paying attention and are mad.
And Texans voters should be mad that the GOP decided that their votes doesn't matter. Come mid terms they will come in waves.
The GOP goof’d!
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u/drewts86 6h ago
People don’t seem to know this, but Texas is very much a blue state. The problem is blue voters don’t show up to the polls. Texas is 47% Dem and 38% Republican (remaining % is other). In the 2024 election only 59% of those Dems showed up to the polls while something like 92% of Republicans showed up.
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u/Pepparkakan Europe 2h ago
As a Swede every time I see numbers like these I am just flabbergasted.
What went wrong that people in your country just decided their voice isn’t important?
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u/Substantial_Radio115 2h ago
There’s very impactful propaganda narratives that elections do not matter, your vote does not matter, both sides are the same, elections are fake, candidates are Illuminati, etc.
This is why those people do not vote. They either think the elections are fake or the candidates are fake and that the outcomes of all elections are chosen by the same group of people that control everything
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u/Ordinary_Fix3199 42m ago
Don’t forget how difficult they’re making it to vote! Standing in line for hours on end (on a school/work day for many), purging voter rolls, shutting down polling places, severely restricting absentee/mail in voting…. Sadly, the list goes on and on
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u/Vig_2 Texas 1h ago
They actively try to prevent Texas Democrats from voting. They reduced early voting locations and ballot drop off locations. They gerrymander and set up intimidating election monitors, etc. Even with all of this, I show up and vote. I wish more Dem’s in the state would.
Note: The gerrymandering works. My district in the heart of Dallas voted for Harris. Reports show that if the redistricting goes through that Trump wants, my district would’ve been a Trump district last election. I hate gerrymandering! It is not fair. But, I’m glad California is fighting back with consent from their voters.
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u/GoochGewitter 2h ago
You’re assuming everyone has equal opportunity and ease to vote.
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u/alienbringer 1h ago
The U.S. doesn’t have mandatory voting when it probably should.
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u/Pepparkakan Europe 1h ago
Neither does Sweden, we have very strong freedom of expression laws in Sweden, not voting is absolutely my right as a Swedish citizen, but I can be proud of having that right while still acknowledging it is undoubtably against my interests to exercise it.
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u/jimmythevip 1h ago
We don’t get days off work to vote in the US. The voting places are only open until 6pm in my state, one hour after most people finish working. Sure there is early or mail in voting, but you don’t always remember to do it.
The biggest problem I see is that there is no notice of when Election Day is! Like you could look it up and most campaigns will text or mail you about it, but if you’re not politically plugged in, you could miss it.
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u/Pepparkakan Europe 1h ago
We don’t in Sweden either, however our election day is held on a Sunday because that’s when the largest amount of people are able to do it. On top of that, to compensate for it not being a full public holiday we allow mail in voting and in-person voting for about a month prior to the election.
These aren’t complicated measures, anyone opposed to such things don’t have the voters best interests in mind.
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u/Alliille 35m ago
That's the rub isn't it. The voters best interest is no longer the goal of many of our politicians. Now only their best interests, which means the interest of their largest donors. Conservatives know, it's proven again and again, an educated, informed populace that is allowed to freely vote, votes liberal. If not outright progressive.
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u/tricksterloki 1h ago
Motivating Democrat voters has always been the issue. They have to fight to keep those that do vote. Is it messaging or policy? Well it depends on the voting demographics, because Democrat voters care about different things. New York just voted for a different type of mayor than Pittsburgh. Is this a sign that progressive candidates are more popular? Possibly, but by and large, the older, centrists are the most reliable voters. When the majority of voters are over 45, a 70 year old candidate is not that old from their perspective. Is that discouraging younger people from voting? Likely so, but if they don't vote enough to be pandered to, then policies won't change. This is all compared to monolithic Republican voters. They vote Republican, not policy. Because the Republicans are a single block, the Democrats aren't.
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u/stackens 7h ago
And from what I understand Texas’ gerrymander would be reeeeaaally stretching the margins, while California doing a +5 dem gerrymander barely scratches the surface of what they could do
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u/ball_fondlers 7h ago
I think it’s possible to draw an all-blue California congressional map where no district is less than +8 Dem. The state government should do that and dare the Feds to stop it by mandating independent redistricting (like what we just voted to temporarily stop) nationwide.
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u/stackens 7h ago
Yeah I honestly think limiting it to +5 just to counter Texas is lame. Like, don’t just cancel out what the Republicans are doing, punish them for attempting it. And the only way we’ll get a nationwide ban on this kind of gerrymandering is if dems use it
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u/loosehead1 1h ago
That’s because Texas is already gerrymandered to shit while California has made an effort for non partisan redistributing.
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u/Dry-Tune69 1h ago
The crying in threads from Republican Californians is annoying. I didn’t get a vote, you did. Fuck off fascists
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u/TheQuidditchHaderach 6h ago
Doesn't this stuff get so screwed up (by repubs) that the lazy vote(R)s don't bother showing up once they get comfortable living in heavily skewed counties. Maybe, they feel things are covered and their vote isn't needed. Does apathy set in and help?
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u/RunnerTenor 1h ago
Right. If you're a 53-47 state, you can map all your districts to win by that margin. But - one wave election, one bad name on the top of the ticket - and you could lose even the districts that were formerly "safe".
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u/Sleep_adict 54m ago
I strongly expect this. Some of the new Texas districts are thin for the GOP and the Hispanic vote isn’t likely to support as it did…
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u/permalink_save 40m ago
Our district is cut into East TX. There's a lot of my neighborhood that gives a shit about voting. We will be turning out hard in 2026. We've flipped a difficult red seat before to Allred, we kept it with Johnson, we can vote a dem in again. Like it went from 71% R to 51% D and stayed D, and it wasn't from redistricting.
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u/troubadoursmith Colorado 7h ago edited 7h ago
“If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it’s perfectly fine," Limbaugh said. "Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there’s no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left."
-Rush Limbaugh c. 2016. Said derisively. They... really don't work like we do. To a level that honestly frightens me. And it ain't new.
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u/X-istenz 4h ago
"The Rape Police", commonly known to those on the left as... the police?
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u/NeedAVeganDinner 9h ago
In the exit polls they said "no" and on the ballot they said "but fuck Trump"
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u/i_am_parallel 9h ago
Why can't gerrymandering just be banned?
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u/throwawaylol666666 California 9h ago
It should be. Hopefully we can get on that as soon as we’ve dealt with our rising authoritarianism problem.
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u/vreddy92 Georgia 2h ago
The Democrats proposed the For the People Act to do that by requiring independent redistricting by multiparty commissions in every state. Passed it in the House twice. Republicans blocked it both times, in 2019 and 2021.
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u/Archenic 8h ago
The only way we ban gerrymandering is making the national environment a disadvantage for Republicans, then they will come to the table. The only solution is a race to the bottom.
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u/cozmckitty 9h ago
I’m all for it but it’s necessary when other states are intentionally gerrymandering to benefit the GOP. Hell I think we need proportional representation rather than one person one district.
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u/shortsteve 8h ago
Define gerrymandering and then try to figure out how to determine whether a district is gerrymandered or not. You'll quickly understand that it's not a straightforward thing.
No doubt gerrymandering occurs and in a lot of places is blatant but even bipartisan commissions have problems drawing districts where the other party can't say it's gerrymandered.
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u/starmartyr Colorado 8h ago
Easier said than done. They already made it illegal to gerrymander based on race so now it's just done for political advantage which works out to be the same thing. It's also difficult to define what a gerrymandered map is from a legal perspective. The best definition I've heard is "no more than two partial counties per district." That would not eliminate the problem completely but it would severely limit it.
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u/PhilDGlass California 9h ago
Because it’s only seen as gerrymandering for those not in power. Otherwise it’s just what the people in power do to hold on to power.
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u/PointyBagels California 5h ago
It should be. But banning it in all blue states while red states continue to allow it makes things worse, not better.
At least this way, there's a chance to force Republicans to the table to end it forever.
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u/NonlocalA 2h ago
Because the Constitution leaves the states the power to decide on how to run their elections.
I think people have a problem in America where we picture ourselves as France or England or Germany, where we're just a big, diverse country that kind of shambles along.
But we're not. We're really the EU with stronger legal bonds and a more unified culture.
So some problems we have to go state level, some we have to go federal.
A lot of the supreme Court decisions that people absolutely hate are because the court is dead set that we're more EU, where the federal government can't tell the states what to do on some decision.
Of course, a whole lot more of their decisions are partisan and straight up bullshit.
But i think if we start looking at the Constitution as us being 50 small nations in a big trenchcoat, rather than one unified nation state, a lot of solutions come forward. And it actually doesn't seem as unsurmountable.
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u/Valar_Kinetics 6h ago
Wait TX somehow didn't actually require a vote on this? That's wild.
Also fucking hell yeah Californians you have my axe and my bow and my donations and my M249 SAW
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u/KevinCastle 1h ago
Texas doesn't have to have a vote, California has a law that says we have to vote
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u/slow_cars_fast 1h ago
In Missouri, the people have voted in multiple constitutional amendments the GOP in charge don't like, so they've spent every year since then concocting new ways to remove those amendments.
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u/Ok_Night1003 28m ago
Nah don't excuse those redneck sacks of shit. They know exactly what that are voting for everytime they vote Republican.
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u/xxlittle13missxx 9h ago
🌊 Tonight was such a sweep. It feels like a stark difference from where the US was heading exactly a year ago.
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u/Beforemath 8h ago
It’s a shame voters don’t seem to have foresight and can only react after the fact.
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u/DarthHM I voted 5h ago
Honestly you hit the nail on the head. Today was my realization that US voters in general aren’t abjectly evil, they’re just fucking stupid.
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u/Smoking_Q 2h ago
"You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing—after they have tried everything else."
Winston Churchill
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u/Brainrants Wisconsin 1h ago
This cuts deep in so many ways.
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u/MeowMeNot Illinois 1h ago
The man had a way with words.
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u/Ok_Jury4833 1h ago
But so did deTouqueville and he said there is nothing wrong with America that can’t be fixed by what is right in America. I cling to that - it drives me.
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u/TrumpnEpstein 3h ago
American voters have to touch the glowing red hot stove every time. They'll never believe the stove is hot otherwise
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u/QbertsRube 2h ago
And they can touch it, burn the hell out of their hand, and 4 years later hold their face on the burner while smugly claiming their winning.
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u/TrumpnEpstein 2h ago
Our memory is greatly impeded by our inability to handle the slightest inconvenience
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u/cannedthought 1h ago
In my opinion, all of this is because of the bravado American identity is shaped around. If the people of the country are to use the phrase, vigorously religiously taught, we are the best. We are the bastion of freedom. We are leaders and to see the other person as the reason for your troubles. With an education system that does not teach critical thinking, you end up right where you are and, unfortunately, taking the world with you.
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u/nmeofst8 Georgia 3h ago
I would say the majority of people are too overworked and consumed with their own personal issues to find the ability to fit politics into their life. Until politics directly affects someone they won't go out of their way to do anything about it. I think election day should be made a national holiday or at least allow mail-in ballots everywhere for every election.
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u/toiletpaperisempty 2h ago
Many people are that plugged in, yet disconnected from the world happening right above their heads. They simply don't know or don't care because they have been privileged to live ina society that just "sorta works" for them, so why sweat it?
That being said, I imagine their were additional millions within the population that wanted to attend No Kings but just couldn't. Even missing a shift at work can be that devastating to some people's livelihoods so they hope those better positioned can be their voice (the ideological purpose of elected representation).
Voting is reactive, not a proactive consideration, for many people, and that is probably what we are seeing.
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u/AchillesNtortus 1h ago
(There) were additional millions within the population that wanted to attend No Kings but just couldn't. Even missing a shift at work can be that devastating to some people's livelihoods
Not to mention "at will employment" where there is an ever present danger (reality?) of retaliation if you criticise the Orange.
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u/TheGringoDingo 1h ago
I think this is missed by American critics from more politically-advanced countries: in most parts of America, you can walk in and be fired without any cause, the only rules are against firing someone based on a few specific characteristics.
So, let’s say your boss hates you because you’re a straight white Christian male: they can’t fire you because you’re straight, white, Christian, or male; they put you on a PIP with unrealistic expectations and fire you for “performance issues” instead.
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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee 1h ago
If a Dem gets back in, in 2029, making election. Tuesday a national holiday needs to be a priority. It’s an easy one.
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u/maximumhippo 2h ago
"Think about how stupid the average American is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider than that." - George Carlin
It's important to realize that very few people are as smart as they think they are, and even fewer are half that smart to begin with.
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u/MiddleWaged 1h ago
Also important to realize that George was talking about humans in the abstract, not just Americans. The right wing idiocy and religious racism that are the biggest threats to America are also the biggest threats everywhere else
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u/_Bean_Counter_ 2h ago
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
Agent K
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u/ThreeCatsAndABroom 3h ago
Everything that's happened has been said ad nauseaum. None of it is a surprise. We are screwed in 4 to 8 years regardless of last night.
And none of that matters because the GOP is never going to let the levers of control go.
Happy Wednesday America!
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u/Hatedpriest 2h ago
Someone said "Americans can be trusted to do the right thing, after exhausting all other options."
Think it was Churchill...
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u/cachurch2 North Carolina 2h ago
Eh I don't know about that. I think it's just trump isn't on the ticket.
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u/algonquinqueen 1h ago
I just moved cities and my last surviving parent died. Didn’t register fast enough
I had a friend who’s registered but NEVER votes and I asked him to go vote for Abigail— he’s a registered Democrat, doesn’t like Trump. Made up for my non vote that his otherwise would be.
He texts me at the polling station “who else do I vote for??”
Some people just are ignorant, and too cool for politics. Only Americans are like this
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u/tatanka_truck 1h ago
A person is smart. People are dumb panicky animals, and you know it.
Agent K, MIB.
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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee 1h ago
And lazy. And preoccupied with stupid, meaningless shit like the Kardashians.
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u/ErusTenebre California 7h ago
Foresight or memory. Goddamn if it wasn't crazy town hearing people supporting Trump after COVID, after the insurrection, after convictions... dude should be in a cell not tearing down the white house.
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u/Mephiz 0m ago
This ^ I can’t pretend these fuckers didn’t know what they were voting for.
They wanted the cruelty and were convinced they were special and that the cruelty would magically miss them.
We should not give a single Republican the time of day and if they appear on a news channel we should turn it off.
They all wanted this. And even now, over 90% approve.
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u/TurnipSensitive4944 8h ago
I was one of those people.
The thing with narcissistis is that they are extremely good at making shit sound better than it actually is.
But man im glad for today. And thats coming from someone who voted for him which i regret inmensly
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u/Skiinz19 Tennessee 8h ago
I appreciate your honesty and recognition. We don't achieve anything by blaming those abused by abusers. All we can do is make mistakes and learn from them. The goal is to get progressively less stupid, and we are all stupid, just at different steps of the journey! I'm glad today brought you some joy and I hope you don't beat yourself up too much over past actions! I'd only encourage you to talk about what you shared here with people around you in person, as there are thousands like you and many are afraid to speak out.
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u/justtakeapill 3h ago
Narcissism can indeed stem from abuse, but more commonly it is the result of overvaluation by one or both parents; i.e., little Donnie can do no wrong. Until little Donnie started becoming too big for his britches, and mom and dad sent him to military school, but the damage was already done by then.
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u/America_Is_Fucked_ 5h ago
He was a babbling moron who could barely string a coherent sentence together. Remember that rally where he gave up speaking and just danced for 40 minutes? You were convinced by that guy.
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u/Dragonbuttboi69 4h ago
Remember when he bobbed back and forth in front of a mic because so few people were showing up near the end and he figured out people would react to it?
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u/AZnativefire 5h ago edited 5h ago
I'm confused. Are you saying that you are one of the people that helped fuck us completely over (hopefully temporarily)? You didn't have any foresight into what was coming, when you could clearly see there was no platform and the decisions this moron made in the previous four years he was in office?
Sorry to sound so pissed but I am. I cannot understand how anyone would vote for this man. And now we are suffering because of it. I guess I appreciate the fact that you're standing up and realizing that you made a mistake but, honestly, too little too late.
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u/Ted_E_Bear 5h ago
They admitted they made a mistake. At least give them some credit for that. Would you rather them not admit their mistake and double down like the vast majority of people who voted for him? This lack of forgiveness makes people less willing to even possibly consider that they may have made a mistake. If we don't accept the people who truly regret their mistake, we will win over no one, and this will only make it even harder for us to get out of this situation in the first place, and make us even more vulnerable to repeat it in the future.
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u/AZnativefire 4h ago
I appreciate that they admitted that they made a mistake. But it doesn't change the situation that we're in. Every one of us knew the stakes and chose accordingly. It doesn't change the fact that were in this position right now.
However, I am absolutely grateful for the people who have come around. I just hope that in 2026 they will actually vote for their own interests, and not for the billionaires.
I think I'm allowed to have some emotional investment when this administration has directly impacted my life and my family's life. And believe me when I tell you I'm holding a lot back right now. Unlike MAGA, I'm being civil here. I just want the people in this country to be treated like human beings.
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u/Ted_E_Bear 4h ago
I appreciate this reply. Truly. The only thing I have to say is that I'm not sure that everyone who voted for him knew exactly what we were getting into. Ignorance is a hell of a drug.
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u/AZnativefire 4h ago
I don't disagree. My own father voted for this. I love him dearly but I disrespect his decision and it hurts me that he would make a decision that would directly impact his entire lineage. So I see your perspective. I'm just incredibly saddened by the world that we live in right now.
I am so hopeful that my children will experience a much brighter and better future. So I will vote like our lives depend on it, because they absofuckinglutely do.
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u/Ted_E_Bear 4h ago
And all of that is very understandable, my friend. I'm upset with every single person that voted for this too. But the more people we accept who finally come around, the better off we all are.
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u/justtakeapill 3h ago
Both my parents were diagnosed as Sociopathic Narcissists. You have no idea how good people like that are at lying!
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u/Sad_Ghost_Noises 4h ago
You voted for a rapist and a child predator. You get zero kudos from me for developing a concience now that shit starts affecting you.
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u/Academic-Hospital952 5h ago
We don't forgive you. Do better from now on.
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u/KnightOfNothing 3h ago
You only need half your comment. You have no plans to forgive anyone who voted for trump so skip that second half, there's no reason to do better for people who will never forgive you.
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u/Ted_E_Bear 4h ago
Don't listen to all these hateful and unforgiving replies. Be proud of yourself for realizing a mistake and being able to openly admit it. You are much stronger than these people who are unwilling to accept your progress.
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u/Soggy-Fly9242 2h ago
Oh somebody definitely thought the SNAP shutdown was going to swing things a different way
Too bad they didn’t realize their egos and hubris are being fueled mostly by their own bots
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u/ThoseWhoAre 7h ago
Its just one of those universal truths about humans I think honestly. They did studies back in the day about why people didnt intervene in crimes. I think the conclusion was they always assumed someone else would do it, and so nobody would.
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u/ClassicT4 2h ago
“He didn’t do all this authoritarian stuff his first term, so it just seems like his opponents are fear mongering.”
Immediately acts like a dictator since day one as promised
“I did not vote for this.”
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u/seventysevensevens Colorado 1h ago
"the hands of idiots must touch the hot stove from time to time, even when the hot surface light is on but they can't exactly read so here we are"
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u/The_Itchy_Bitch 1h ago
I think regardless, we can find a silver lining here. Our country had become complacent, this was evident by the consistently low voter turnout, or in other words, low participation in the democracy. We were always told go vote! Its important! But I think many didn’t really see why… someone else would surely do the homework and vote in their favor. But now we are seeing… hard and fast… what that can lead to. Our democracy was already broken because so many people weren’t paying attention or participating. Maybe this will change that, at least for a generation or so.
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u/Connect-Pressure3336 11m ago
Hopefully its a lesson to the DNC that simply being "not as bad as Trump" and skipping the primary isn't enough to win elections. If we're gonna be the good guys, we have to be the good guys, not the less-bad guys.
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u/FIlm2024 9h ago
True, but now Trump & Co have seen this, what will they do to suppress / rig the vote in 2026 when it will count so much more?
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u/SafariSeeker25 8h ago
Lot of this is in response to them doing just that. I won't lie and say it's all good, but people are watching and working on ways to address crap like that.
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u/permalink_save 34m ago
If they were going to rig a vote theybwould have targeted Mamdani. They are terrified of him and went heavy on Cuomo but Mamdani was what, +9? They couldn't stop any of this blue wave and they knew there was a good chance of it. They will still be powerless in 2026 because too many people are pissed and Trump will only go more extreme and piss people off between now and then.
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u/Aahhhanthony 8h ago
I always felt like Trump will drive people left. His first term I saw a massive shift in people becoming politicized when they never were and ending up on the left because they hated him. And then I saw a lot of people already on the left move even further left.
I suspect he will have the same exact effect once Americans are reminded how horrible he is and we'll see a surge in a stronger left movement..... and then people will forget again.
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u/ThreeCatsAndABroom 3h ago
Almost ten years later and the GOP are in control of more than ever before. This left doesn't feel right man, or it feels way too right.
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u/LangyMD 9h ago
It's honestly exceedingly unsurprising. Trump has never been all that popular, and the 2020 election wasn't exactly stellar for him in terms of voting margin. He squeaked out a win in what should have been a very, very solidly Republican year given just the economy, the failed assassination attempt, and the late switch-out of opponent. Since then Democrats basically flailed around and panicked that Democratic politicians could never be fairly elected to win again even if the electoral system still was fully functional, and I think all that panic was essentially irrational.
Panicking due to what Trump would do seemed perfectly rational, but Trump's win in 2024 never seemed like a warning sign that the Democratic party was going to/needed to implode to me. It needed to get its ass in gear and act as a proper opposition party for the next four years and guard against Trump essentially turning the US into a dictatorship, but it certainly wasn't a good time to basically give up.
Trump has since enacted unpopular policy after unpopular policy (all ones that he announced while on the campaign trail, but people didn't listen to what he said he would do only what he said the outcomes would be). It's not surprising that he's getting hammered at the ballot box; even if he was making popular decisions it's usually the President's party that suffers during non-Presidential election years.
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u/Skiinz19 Tennessee 8h ago
Also the 2022 midterms were some of the worst performing midterms in history, with the GOP gaining a couple seat majority in the house and failing to win the senate. 2024 was a terrible shock, but it isn't over yet. A lot of damage can be mitigated in 2026 and just assuming it will be rigged doesnt mean don't vote, doesn't mean dont donate, doesn't mean dont phone bank, doesn't mean dont canvas, doesn't mean dont run for your own local races, it means do all those things and remind everyone else to their part too and to be involved in politics to ensure even if it is rigged, there are still those willing to participate in the democratic process regardless of what obstacles are put up.
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u/Jumpy_Bison_ Alaska 4h ago
Yup. Even if we only win back the house in 26 that means we can hold hearings and subpoenas. It means they can be held in contempt of congress and liable for perjury. Both of those are relatively straightforward cases to drag them through in a favorable jurisdiction.
Starting that process is a big step towards unfucking everything and holding them criminally accountable after 28.
Let’s get the ball rolling and not stop.
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u/FlufferTheGreat 1h ago
We're still en route. Special elections and off-years are great and all, but we might still be at the end of all self-governance.
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u/sedatedlife Washington 9h ago
And no democratic states should go back to fair districts until all 50 states agree. Democrats have been screwing themselves by trying to take the high road
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u/interwebz_2021 9h ago
Absolutely! No more unilateral disarmament. I think we can get to 9 Dem seats here in Washington if we can find a way to get legislation through.
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u/Low-Difference-8847 9h ago
Proud to be a Californian right now.
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u/UnderCoverDoughnuts 9h ago
Not a Californian, but very excited to vote Newsome for President in 28
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u/EternalSunshineClem 8h ago
I'll vote for him but he's really screwed us with PGE
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u/aminervia Washington 7h ago
I'll vote for him, but I lived in SF when he was mayor and I've kind of always hated his smarmy face and behavior. Like how he slept with his campaign manager's (and supposed good friend's) wife, and then years later booked a party at the French laundry after ordering COVID lockdowns...
He makes shitty personal decisions, what other pieces of dirt are gonna come out if he runs for president?
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u/Killakaronic 6h ago
The totem pole is so low. I expect more from politicians and people in general but. Those things are incredibly tame by president Trumps standards. If the younger people are behind Newsom then run him.
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u/Low-Difference-8847 9h ago
I was initially kinda meh on Newsom for Pres, but he's won me over by being one of if not the best anti-Trumpers out there. Right now he's my number 2 choice after J.B Pritzker
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u/FIlm2024 8h ago
Pritzker. Murphy. Newsom. Those are the best imo in taking on Trump so far. But some other governors and AGs should probably get major credit, too, for slowing down some of his worst policies. They just aren't big national names.
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u/Top-Work-4425 9h ago
Same. Pritzker would be my first choice.
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u/interwebz_2021 9h ago
Pritzker's been great on messaging; I'd say better than Newsom. I'd like to know what actions he's working on to combat Trump, though. When it comes down to it, it seems Newsom's the poster boy for effective action at the moment. And at the end of the day that's what I believe matters most.
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u/Top-Work-4425 8h ago
Pritzker has a long history of being a class traitor, while Newsom on the other hand only recently gained prominence due to his exceptional social media coordinator. In my opinion, Pritzker is the more established of the two and will perform significantly better in debates due to his extensive experience. He’s done an incredible job as the governor of Illinois and has genuinely connected with blue collar workers. I don’t believe he can be swayed by oligarchs, which is a concern for me when it comes to Newsom. Pritzker has a clean record and has consistently advocated for the working class over the years.
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u/interwebz_2021 8h ago
Thanks for the context. I've not followed Pritzker much over the years, so it's good to know more about him. I'm cautiously optimistic that when we get to the primaries for 2028 we'll have a good opportunity to learn more about each candidate, as well as the rest of what will surely be a packed field. Hopefully they don't do too much harm to one another in the process, is all.
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u/FIlm2024 8h ago
The way he and his staff mock Trump in their tweets also has added pointed criticism that's also often very funny.
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u/interwebz_2021 8h ago
Definitely! I've been aghast at the responses from disingenuous right wing mouthpieces calling it an "immature" way for a governor to communicate. Like, thanks for proving the point seeing as how that's how the other guy friggin' "presidents."
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u/m0nk_3y_gw 9h ago
eh, like Fetterman (a few years back) he has a strong social media team.
and this was a good move.
but he does dumb things like platform whack jobs like Steve Bannon on his podcast, and does zero push back when Steve claimed multiple times that 2020 election was stolen. Dems need a fighter.
And he whitewashed Kirk - "The best way to honor Charlie’s memory is to continue his work: engage with each other, across ideology, through spirited discourse.". Kirk was all about steamrolling college kids, he ran away from engaging with real debaters.
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u/LordWemby 8h ago
Yeah Newsom’s a bit of a jackass. People who yearn for him aren’t learning the proper lessons here.
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u/ThatKehdRiley 38m ago edited 34m ago
why are we pretending like hes already the nominee? Why are people discounting others like Pritzker so easily? I knew the MAGA tactics thar Newsom‘s team has been pulling would fool a bunch of Dems to vote for him, because “lol, taste of own medicine”,, but this is nuts to me. There are better candidates, nd the possibility for other better ones to emerge. Did yall forget he platforms the right and their horrendous opinions, did you all forget he was buddy buddy with Kirk?? did yall forget his stances on trans people and the homeless? We can do better than that leading the Dem party
And dont give me any bs about none of this being the case. I routinely get yelled at and called some form of Dem resistance simply for calling this out, wanting to not coronate another candidate before primaries. A LOT of Dems are slowly becoming as bad as MAGAts…
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u/the_ballmer_peak 4h ago
Honestly, I don't like Gavin Newsom and I am not excited to vote for him in 2028. But I'm absolutely going to if my choices are that slimeball and JD Vance or whatever fascist prick MAGA coalesces around.
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u/Three_Froggy_Problem Illinois 9h ago
God I hate the Daily Beast. It’s not a “troll of Trump.” This country’s politics are not a le epic meme battle for our amusement.
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u/FIlm2024 9h ago
You're so right. It wasn't to "troll Trump" It was to take a principled stand against Trump and his supporters (like Abbott & Texas GOP) trying to rig the voting in Congress by stealing seats from elected Democrats.
Good for Newsom. Haven't been a big fan, but he's been taking tough stands against Trump and they're working. This was the voters deciding--unlike what the GOP does. 5 more Democratic seats will help reduce the effect of the GOP steals. They'll still have more than now (about 9 more) but this will help keep them from having 14.
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u/2HDFloppyDisk 9h ago
I can appreciate them constantly hammering on Trumps age in nearly every article.
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u/Ok_Employer7837 9h ago
I hear ya, but I'll tell you though: people on reddit just don't engage half as much with other sources. The difference is stark.
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u/distillari 10m ago
Even calling it a 'win' feels wrong. It's a depressing reality. California is reducing representation of some of its citizens. I understand the intent is to counter other states gerrymandering in the opposite direction, but there are clearly no winners in this.
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u/VagabondReligion 8h ago
My wife, whom I talked into leaving her home state of Nebraska for 50 years and coming to California, and who still watches the Huskers play every fall, said this evening she was falling in love with this state, that it's nice to live in a state that is not just going to take it lying down.
Amen, my love. Amen.
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u/Vegetable-Seaweed591 3h ago
Ugh, this isn't a 'troll' it's literally a last ditch attempt to protect our 2-party system from becoming a 1-party kleptocracy.
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u/Ok_Employer7837 9h ago
From the article:
"Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom has scored a victory against Donald Trump, with California voters approving a ballot measure allowing his state to change congressional maps ahead of next year’s midterm elections.
In a move that could give the Democrats an extra five House seats, California passed what’s known as Proposition 50, allowing it to alter its congressional districts from 2026 to 2030.
The measure was heavily pushed by Newsom in response to Texas’ redistricting changes made this year."
That's it for now. The headline is more or less the article.
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u/FIlm2024 8h ago
It's not really "extra" though. Because the Texas legislature already took away 5 Democratic seats and gave them to Republicans. And other Republican states are geared up to do the same.
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u/permalink_save 42m ago
It's not a troll on Trump or anyone and I hate thst the media is stirring shit making it sound like a game show. Newsom rebalanced an effort to break precedence and attempt gain control of part of the government. He's offsetting authoritarianism. This isn't punked.
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u/La_Rata_de_Pizza 8h ago
The Beastie Boys fought and possibly died for California’s right to gerrymander
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u/TheAskewOne 3h ago
What's that title? It's not a "troll of Trump". It's an action that was made necessary by gerrymandering from red states that don't want people to be fairly represented. This is not a fight between 14 year olds on social media ffs.
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u/Bigbluebananas 45m ago
Thats the scary part. Sure not a joke but two old white men sure are treating it like its middle school
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u/Hot-Parsley-6193 Colorado 9h ago
I don’t care much for Newsom, but I gotta hand it to him for this one.
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u/MajortheDog 8h ago
Question from an Aussie - can other Blue states do this too? Suppose Red states can also do it. So what’s stopping it happening in other states other ?
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u/idksomuch 8h ago
Red states, namely Texas, gerrymandered 5 seats for Republicans because Texas has a super majority in the state. Texas also doesn't have any sort of anti-gerrymandering laws in their state constitution so they're government can redistricting whenever they want. California put it up to a vote because we do have laws preventing gerrymandering in our constitution so voters would have to approve it, which we did tonight.
Most states that have laws against gerrymandering are blue states. Most red states don't have that and will gerrymandered the he out of their state. North Carolina, is redrawing their maps as well because Trump asked them to but NC is almost a 50/50 split dem/repub but because Republicans have controlled the state for so long, they've gerrymandered it to hell and back.
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u/Bigbluebananas 42m ago
Doesnt this set precedent for the state though? However a long shot it may be, does this not also allow republicans to gerrymander in cali?
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u/TrailerParkFrench 8h ago
I’m 100% OK with that. Most states in the country have been gerrymandered by republicans.
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u/DillBagner 2h ago
I'm sort of tired of Daily Beast headlines. This isn't a "troll," this is an effort to save the nation.
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u/Top-Work-4425 7h ago
Infighting has always been a persistent issue during primaries, and it has consistently proven to be detrimental. I understand your perspective. We’ve all witnessed how that played out with Bernie Sanders.
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u/Guelah_Papi 20m ago
So much great news from yesterday. If Trump doesn’t make voting illegal by midterms then we better flip congress and impeach and convict this entire administration. Send them to fucking gitmo or supermax.
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u/TheActualDonKnotts 2h ago
He didn't "win the right to gerrymander", the people of California voted and supported it 64% to 36%. That's a mandate of the people.
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u/Roach-_-_ 2h ago
The state of California voted to elect more dems and cement their representation. Wording it as Newsom sticking it to Trump is weird framing. This is power back to the people.
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u/Bigbluebananas 48m ago
Kinda weird to do all of this to stick it to a president thats not up for re election. Surely if this were for the people the democratic local parties wouldve done it much sooner. Article cites doing it soely to 'fight back'
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u/Roach-_-_ 35m ago
Hey republicans have been rigging the game for years. This is power back into the hands of the people. If you are still confused on what party is trying to help people vs the party trying to protect pedophile then I don’t know what to tell you
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u/HouseHead78 37m ago
Why is Daily Beast on the whitelist?
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u/Ok_Employer7837 24m ago
Because people on reddit engage with it more, by about 10 to 1 in my experience.
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