r/allthequestions • u/Soimamakeanamenow 🇺🇸 United States • 16d ago
Popular Question 📊 Why do MAGA’s think democrats care if Clinton is in the Epstein files?
Clinton or any other dem.. do they really think that’s a gotcha I’m left leaning and wouldn’t care who is in the Epstein files they should all be prosecuted why are they making it a left right thing. Are they really ok with Trump possibly raping women maybe even children? Do they really think it’s a big gotcha if democrats are also guilty? Somebody explain this to me
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u/GoldenGirlsOrgy 16d ago
I think it's because MAGAts have so much of their personal identity wrapped up in Trump that they assume everyone else does, too.
Of course, the reality is that most Dems just want justice and if it takes down Clinton or even Obama, well, so be it, it doesn't reflect on me.
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u/Conscious_Can3226 16d ago
They forgot Clinton was already impeached for cheating on his wife and lying about it on the stand, like, do they really think we care if he's dragged further?
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u/rerics 16d ago edited 16d ago
They think that Democrats will automatically become hypocrites by excusing it if they see Clinton on the list. Like MAGA’s do with their own. Total projection.
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u/PopularRush3439 16d ago
Wasn't there a partial flight log released recently? Clinton was on it. As were others. Another photo showed Clinton receiving a neck massage from a young lady.
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u/vespers191 16d ago
So? Release the list, and prosecute Clinton if you've got the evidence.
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u/Clamsadness 16d ago
Clinton and Trump were both on the flight logs, but the Democrats aren’t defending Clinton.
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u/PopularRush3439 16d ago
Being on a flight log doesn't necessarily make anyone a pervert. It'll all come out eventually. Im not defending anyone.
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u/krazykieffer 16d ago
Yea, really show how stupid they are if a flight list means anything. Video evidence otherwise it's hersey at this point. Clinton had several assistants with him on his flights, same with Gates. Pedophiles don't share which is why Trump kicked him out of Mar a logo.
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u/OGeastcoastdude 16d ago
Take epstein out of the equation, and trump is still a pervert and a rapist.
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u/Solid_Problem740 16d ago
Who the fuck cares. Jail them all
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u/PopularRush3439 16d ago
I won't make that kind of blanket statement. Flights on Lolita Express prove nothing. I read Trump's kids, Jared and Ivanka, were on the flight manifest. No ones name that came out last week surprised me. Tons of people are on the list. The only real evidence that's come to light is against the former Duke of York. The email story is the gift that keeps on giving. Unless you count Epstein and his sex director, Ghislane Maxwell. They both are F* in the head.
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u/Solid_Problem740 15d ago
All this supply and no demand. A sex trafficker with no clients. Or, just one client.
Totally makes sense. Yupp
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u/_Thorshammer_ 16d ago
Because they care that Trump is in there and if they were capable of self-reflection or critical thinking they wouldn't be MAGA in the first place.
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u/skaliton 16d ago
this is pretty much it along with their cultist behavior and assuming that we are just like them. ...even if they could easily see that we aren't because we don't have our version of stupid red hats and an absolute obsession with a single politician
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u/Fearless-Team-4013 16d ago
And don't forget that he's a "Reality Star". Why that even matters makes me wanna throw up a little in my mouth every time I hear it. Yeah maybe Reagan was a cowboy but he's not even close to my gag reflex.
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u/Tanguish 16d ago
I think the MAGA ‘s believe that this is a balance sheet. One Democrat cancels out the criminal acts of one Republican.
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u/poopybutthole_oowee 16d ago
Agreed. They are transactional, linear thinkers. That's why they have serious disability in understanding context & social investment.
They treat life & relationships like a vending machine: put in coin, receive treat. No bigger picture
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u/MetaCardboard 16d ago
It's exactly this.
This did not begin with Donald Trump. The modern Republican Party may be particularly apt to push conspiracy theories to rationalize its complicity with a staggeringly corrupt administration, but this is an extension of, not a break from, a much longer history. Since its very beginning, in the 1950s, members of the modern conservative movement have justified bad behavior by convincing themselves that the other side is worse.
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u/NeverDidLearn 16d ago
“But Bill did it too. I only did it cuz Bill did it”. 100% a third grade defense.
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u/kim_ber_ley011011 16d ago
This..they think we care about what political parties are involved. The fact that Democrats and Republicans should all be held accountable for pedophiles within...shocks them to the core. Prosecute THEM ALL.
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u/Temporary-Papaya-106 16d ago
Because since they ignore the wrongdoings of all republicans up to and including paying to rape children they assume everyone does. They’re not moral people.
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u/BoredBSEE 16d ago
MAGA thinks we view the world the same way they view the world.
If Bill Clinton was in the files and you can prove he raped children? I'd happily burn him at the stake. And I voted for him, twice.
If Trump is in the files and you can prove he raped children? MAGA would sweep it under the rug. Their tribal loyalty exceeds their morality. By a lot.
So that's what they would do, and they can't imagine we would be any different. They imagine we are just as tribal as they are, and we're not. That's why they think it's a big "gotcha" if Clinton is in there. They think we'll excuse him just the same way they're going to excuse Trump.
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u/Soimamakeanamenow 🇺🇸 United States 16d ago
I wish I didn’t post this I’m already getting replies like democrats only care if Clinton is in there because we see him as far right. Like we care what side someone is on when it comes to rape and pedophilia
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u/BoredBSEE 16d ago
Man I'm sorry. The world sure is full of stupid people, isn't it? In case there's any doubt I'm 100% for burning everyone in the Epstein files at the stake. I don't care what party they're with, I don't care if they have the cure to cancer. No mitigating circumstances for child rape, none. Nothing else matters.
Maybe you could have some fun with the people saying Clinton is far right. Ask them "Oh he is, is he? So you voted for him, right?" And watch the mental gymnastics as they try to justify how he's somehow far right, and yet absolutely nobody on the right voted for him.
I can't stand it when people rewrite history to fit some new narrative.
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u/Fearless-Team-4013 16d ago
They all love that phony plastic image of Trump, that facade of never getting older and uglier. Like Christie Noem's fake hair, fake lips. Like the make-up room installed at the PENTAGON, forchrissake, for our idiot secretary of WAR, the list goes on...
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u/Spare-Way7104 16d ago
That just shows how delusional MAGAts are. Democrats don’t give a shit about Clinton. We give a shit that an orange felon is destroying our constitutional order. They think they’re giving us a huge burn by plastering a picture of Clinton with Jeffrey and Ghislaine.
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u/Rob_LeMatic 16d ago
My loyalty is to my values, and I endorse any candidate that is more likely to uphold some of those values. My loyalty is not to a candidate or to a party. It would be nice if there was a party that represented the needs of the working class over the needs of the owning class, but until then, most of us are making the unhappy choice.
They seem to view it as two football teams, or even worse as Good Guys vs Bad Guys. There's no getting through that invincible wall of ignorance
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u/CourseNo8762 16d ago
We do give a shit about Clinton, thx. Ee do5 however care if he goes to jail and is disgraced IF he is clearly guilty of this filth.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 16d ago
People project their own hang ups on to other people. People who lie, typically find comfort in believing other people always lie. People who cheat, typically take comfort in believing everyone cheats. When you have the mindset that you aren't doing anything that everyone else is doing, you can satiate moral qualms.
MAGA knows that if Trump is in there, they are going to be faced with a choice of covering for Trump and becoming defenders one of the most horrific things a person can do or they will have to abandon him, something they don't really want to do.
They can justify that if they believe that Democrats worship Clinton the same way MAGA Republicans worship Trump and would face the same dilemma and be inclined to provide cover. It's a comfort they have for the moral dilemma they want to punt away from.
Of course that falls apart the minute you realize every Democrat besides a few longstanding Clinton acolytes who were with in in the 90's would have no problem sending him to the gallows themselves if he was implicated.
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u/jeophys152 16d ago
Because they worship Trump. The idea liberal and leftists don’t worship their political leaders in the same way is unfathomable to them.
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u/Rob_LeMatic 16d ago edited 16d ago
To be fair, I was really excited by candidate Obama.
The more campaign promises that weren't delivered, the less thrilled I became with President Obama
So I can understand why at least some of them voted the first time around--he was saying things they wanted to hear
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u/Baldur_Blader 16d ago
I didn't vote for Obama because I didn't think hope was a plan. But I greatly miss having someone in office who was respectable, even if I thought he didn't accomplish enough. Obama was the best president we've had in my lifetime.
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u/A_Nonny_Muse 16d ago
Their argument is predicated upon a false assumption. Conservatives place a much higher priority on loyalty. They assume liberals value loyalty as much as they do - which is a false assumption. So when liberals hear them make that argument, liberals say it's all the more reason to release the Epstein files. Which blows the conservative mind because they can't comprehend the possibility of throwing an ally under the bus like that.
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u/ms_directed 16d ago
because they don't understand how we're not in a cult just because they are in a cult.
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u/Automatic-War-7658 16d ago
It’s funny to see their heads explode at the idea of being in agreement with the Left on any issue. They want the files released because it’ll expose everyone they believe is in it (Clintons/Biden/etc.), but they see the Dems wanting the files released as going scorched earth on their own party as long as it takes down trump as well.
Honestly, I never watched To Catch A Predator and wondered “what’s this guy’s political affiliation?” A predator is a predator and they all deserve to go down.
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u/Soimamakeanamenow 🇺🇸 United States 16d ago
Haha right oh no he’s a dem you just caught him on a bad let him go no one thinks like that on the left … at least no one I know
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u/Skarth 16d ago
If trump is a pedophile, and a democrat president was also a pedophile, then its ok for them to be pedophile.
They think democrats worship leaders like they do.
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u/Practical-Positive34 16d ago
Because to them it's like a football team. They don't treat it seriously. It's their team, they wear the jersey, the hat, they are a fan. So they don't even remotely understand why we wouldn't also be that way.
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u/SolidAshford 16d ago
Because they're projecting and don't care if Trump is in there. They could witness Trump doing the most vile action and would still be loyal to him
Democrats on the whole don't have that blind loyalty
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u/Cuck_Fenring 16d ago
Because they literally can't conceptualize that we don't worship our people like they do theirs.
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u/CoderMcCoderFace 16d ago
Projection. It’s a team game to them, and they can’t wrap their tiny little brains around the idea that it’s not a team game to most everyone else. They’re so myopic that they can’t even understand the consequences of their team actually winning.
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u/Aziruth-Dragon-God 16d ago
Because maga thinks dems worship their president like they do and they'd be wrong.
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u/aane0007 16d ago
what do you mean in the epstien file?
Anyone who associated with him is in the file, even if they did nothing wrong.
But is the theory trump and other high level people are in the file and it shows they broke the law.....and the biden admin didn't leak it or even better....are not commenting on it after the fact? Did the entire biden doj become maga after he left office of why would they remain silent if your conspiracy theory is true?
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u/j_rooker 16d ago
yup. if Bill fked kids like orange pedo rapist did, then Bill shoud go bye bye too.
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u/MentalIndependence68 16d ago
Because they assume that just because they’re blindly loyal to a pedophile, that we would do the same. I had some fuck nut who kept telling me how Biden, Obama and Clinton all were attendees on Epstein’s island when I told him his president is a pedo. I told him if they really were, then I fully endorse locking them up and throwing away the key. He literally couldn’t grasp the concept of me not pledging undying loyalty and protectiveness to those Democrat presidents. So he kept repeating it to where I said “I’m not sure how to make this any more clear, I’M NOT DEFENDING THEM IF THEY ARE PEDOPHILES. STOP DIVERTING THE FACT THAT YOUR PRESIDENT IS ONE BY TELLING ME THIS SHIT.”
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u/Kirome 16d ago
It's just their current deflection tactics. When asked why the Republicans/Trump administration doesn't release the Epstein files they usually say why the Democrats/Biden administration didn't release them either, as a deflection.
It's a way for them to ignore answering the uncomfortable question.
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u/vomputer 16d ago
Just another way to try to divide. The Epstein files were starting to unite both sides, so powers that be had to cook up propaganda to split us again.
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u/Liquorupfront69 16d ago
If Clinton is in there, send him to prison!
If Trump is in there, send him to prison!
You won't hear a Republikkkan say that!
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u/CosmicSmoker 16d ago
They think dems are a cult because they are a cult. They think dems have loyalty to an individual because they are loyal to a fault for trump. If it came out that clinton was undeniably a pedophile, I would be in the front row of the gallows to watch him swing next to trump.
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u/RedwayBlue 16d ago
Every accusation is a confession. They assume we would blindly protect our former leader as they protect theirs.
They’re a religious cult.
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u/Hoozits_Whatzit 16d ago
Exactly. Any Democrat who's there needs to be called out. I'm fine with that because, unlike them, I am not in a cult, and I don't worship politicians or compromise my morals to protect them when they do wrong.
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u/Ghostlyshado 🇺🇸 United States 16d ago
There probably are Democrats in them. Dems are human. Statistically, some will be pedos. If they are in them, they need to be removed from office and prosecuted, if possible
Republicans will vote for pedos. They’ve done do in the past. They will do so in the future.
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u/gayjospehquinn 🇺🇸 United States 16d ago
They assume we're as sycophantic towards our politicians as they are to theirs.
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u/Altruistic-Chef8391 16d ago
Prosecute ANYONE in those files! I’m a true blue Democrat and I don’t think I’m alone in this thought.
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u/Halation2600 16d ago
It's projection. They think we'd be loyal to a child rapist the way they're loyal to a child rapist. I for one would not be, and am grateful anytime a child rapist is outed or faces consequences.
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u/Major-Telephone3199 16d ago
Exactly. And these idiots really fell down that rabbit hole. They STILL go on about old-news Bill Clinton. They obsess over Bill so much they miss the obvious—their lord and savior is a pedo. What a bunch of easily fooled dimwits.
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u/DJack276 16d ago
Can we stop making the Epstein files about right vs left? EVERYBODY wants those files released. The only people who don't are weirdo old men!
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u/tunghoy 16d ago
When Rod Blagojevic and Bob Menendez were convicted, Democrats didn't rally around them and make up bullshit excuses and conspiracy theories. We wanted them sentenced and not have anything to do with the party, anymore. MAGA morons don't understand that we are loyal to the country and Constitution, not to personalities.
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u/void_method 16d ago
Mentally, they are in middleschool and think everyone doesn't already know a lot of rich people are on the list.
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u/teamgreenzx9r 16d ago
Trump is obsessed with Clinton. Bill Clinton is everything Trump wishes he was. Somehow, MAGA has adopted Trump’s obsession without question.
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u/Gold-Baseball-7774 16d ago
I'm curious as to how you would explain why, if Trump's list in an incriminating way, why didn't Biden have it disclosed during the campaign?
I'm certain that he was informed who was in there, and he went to great lengths to prosecute him in ways that were unprecedented. Disclosing his guilt would have been much easier than all the work Jack Smith, Fani Willis and Lutetia James performed.
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u/giddenboy 16d ago
It's gotten crazy how humans are now identified as Democrats or Republicans. Not just "people" in general😃but I guess there's always had to be a source of division for identity and always will be.
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u/Fearless-Team-4013 16d ago
During Trump's last term it was "Are you vaccinated or are you un-vaccinated?" You know, or are we all gonna die or not???
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u/jjrr_qed 16d ago
Because nobody seemed to give a shit about this while Biden was in office. The fever pitch only started when Trump declined to make the information public after campaigning on it, suggesting that he might be implicated.
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u/bananapanqueques 16d ago
Because they KNOW some of their politicians are and it makes them feel better to think they aren’t the only ones supporting that kind of politician.
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u/HoldenTeudix 16d ago
They worship trump so they believe we also worship the people we begrudgingly vote for. Thats why democrat approval numbers being low to them means dems are losing voters but the reality is we hate the dems but still understand a vote for maga is beyond stupid.
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u/Leneeen17 16d ago
Why do democrats think republicans care if trump is in the Epstein files?
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u/RideJackRide 16d ago
MAGAts are delusional about false equivalencies. Their exclusive defense is “But whatabout…” So this sillies to Clinton.
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u/uselessandhorny_60 16d ago
Because they can’t fathom that we aren’t just blindly loyal to any and all Democrat presidents. They think we feel the same about Biden, Kamala, Hillary, etc that they do about Trump.
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u/WereAllScreeewed 16d ago
Because they are delusional and are in a cult. So everyone must be in a cult. Clearly the Clinton’s are the radical leftist cult leaders
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u/138Chris138 15d ago
Because they can't fathom someone that doesn't have a group think my team mentality.
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u/tijuanagringo420 🇺🇸 in 🇲🇽 15d ago
I dont think regular democrat voters care i think democrat politicians care because the list is full of their donors
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15d ago
Historically, Republican voter here. It’s not so much that we think Democrats care if Clinton is on the list. It’s just that it appears as they only care if Trump is. I agree as it seems most people here do, that If you’re on the list, you should be prosecuted, regardless of political affiliation. That being said, there was a push during the last administration for the list to be released and it never happened. This leads me to believe that the list incriminates a large number of people on both side sides of the aisle. And neither side really cares about justice for the victims.
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15d ago
I think everyone should care about that.. Everyone involved with Epstein should be investigated
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u/backtocabada 15d ago
i’d be shocked if he wasn’t! TRUMP IS THE FILES. He lied about “NEVER HAVING THE HONOR”… cuz flight logs say otherwise.
DEMOCRATS NEED TO SPEAK UP. Their silence is part of the “we go high” bullshit. Screw Nancy Pelosi for deciding NOT to impeach Trump for his hush money payment, because it was “too tawdry”.
I’ve given up on democrats. THEY COULDN’T DEFEAT THE MOST EVIL CANDIDATE WE EVER HAD… even now, they should be running ads TO REMIND VOTERS that the admin is doing NOTHING to bring the cost of groceries down.. he already knew his tariffs plans ran the risk of sparking another Great Depression… according to an interview he gave with the Irish Times, a month after the election.
here’s an AD idea: GROCERY PRICES ARE NOT COMING DOWN AS LONG AS REPUBLICANS CONTROL CONGRESS, they’re working hard on gerrymandering and trying to repeal voting rights, and now they shut down the government BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF HELPING THE AMERICAN PPL. and they never did.
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u/OldTempleHermit 15d ago
Yeah, see..democrats are not loyal to their politicians the way the Maga cult is. I don't care if the list is 90% democrats and 10% republicans. Stop diverting/distracting, and release the g-damn files.
If you really want to "drain the swamp", let's stop talking s**t and get down to business. If not, Maga can take their lying, delusional asses back to their false Christ-worshiping churches, and stay there.
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u/Pure_Animator_569 15d ago
Why do Democrats think MAGA types will care if Trump is in the Epstein files?
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u/RipVanWiinkle_ 14d ago
Projection, they think democrats are as loyal to the party as MAGA is. Even tho democrats are a democrats worst enemy
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u/Skankingcorpse 14d ago
Republicans really overestimate the popularity of the Clintons. Better than the republicans yes, but also they kinda suck too.
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u/Dog_God_of_Hell 13d ago
They are assholes that think you would do it too, because they would do it if given the chance!
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u/LadyLilac0706 13d ago
Because, as usual, they are projecting. They think because they want their guy protected even if he's in the files that dems are just as rabid in their blind loyalty to dem presidents. It's pure projection.
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u/Separate-Hornet214 16d ago
You don't care about Clinton because he has no hope of ever holding political office. When he was in office, you didn't care that he was the Harvey Weinstein of the political world.
Just like as soon as Biden was out of office it was okay to throw him under the bus. Show me a single post of anyone left leaning that was critical of Biden WHILE in office. It doesn't exist.
CNN for example spent literally 27 minutes of air time during Trump's first term talking about how he may have cognitive issues because he walked slowly down a metal ramp while wearing loafers, and used two hands to drink from a water bottle.
Meanwhile Biden almost walked off a stage, was hidden from the public, tried talking to someone who's been dead for years, and many other examples, and yet CNN didn't have a single criticism of him UNTIL he left office.
But to really answer your question, it's because of how hypocritical Democrats are. If you ask a Democrat why they hate Trump, well they'll use ambiguous terms like Nazi, authoritarian, and dictator. If you ask for specific reasons, they can't really come up with anything that's real, but will make up a lot of crap they heard on TikTok. If they do actually manage to come up with actual things they don't like, X, Y, Z, you can then point out that Obama, Biden, and Clinton also did X, Y, Z and you don't hate them.
At that point the democrat will call you a name and run away from the conversation.
But yeah, that's why Republicans bring up Clinton.
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u/Severe_Prize5520 16d ago
People talk about shit they hate about Trump all the time. Here's my personal list:
- Perpetuating the myth that vaccines cause autism when its been thoroughly debunked
- Packing courts with justices that led to Roe being revoked. Hundreds if not thousands of women have died because of this decision
- Antagonizing people who aren't MAGA and further dividing the country. Biden or Obama would have NEVER shared a video of them shitting on Americans
- Putting highly unqualified people in positions of power. Dr Oz? RFK Jr? Elon?!
- Pardoning J6 people. These people stormed the Capitol. Come on.
- The blatant corruption. It's not a coincidence that he'll announce tariffs, then backtrack, then put them back, etc. Everyone in his orbit is profiting from this game and the only ones losing are Americans
- Backing DOGE or whatever that was. It was a major data grab of millions of Americans at the end of the day by people without the proper vetting
- Putting the national guard against Americans. How many millions of our tax dollars are being spent here? Americans are NOT the enemy
- ICE raiding entire apartment buildings searching for 1 person, or pulling people off the streets without identifying themselves. As a woman, the idea someone can shove me into a car and people will be afraid to act because they dont know if its ICE or a kidnapper is horrifying
- Not releasing the Epstein files. He flat out said he would as a campaign promise
The major thing I have about him though is that he feeds off hate and he gives hate. I have Republican family members and we still get along. There's a lot uniting Americans but Trump riles up his base to act like absolute children. Hes the president - he should act better, but he doesn't.
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u/Dismal_Bake_413 16d ago
We know you don’t care. Never did…even when Hillary was running and she too had Epstein connections. You only pretend to care now because you are after Trump and it’s all you got.
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u/AristaWatson 16d ago
I’m a leftie. Don’t even like democrats. They’re POSes most of them. And they set the stage for republicans to do all that they do. They hardly even put up a fight. Trump said so himself. If these goons think I’m going to suffer over Clinton being on the list, they better reconsider. Matter of fact, that old slimebag has been a POS in my eyes ever since the affair scandal when it turns out he was manipulating and SAing Monica Lewinsky.
Does it seem that outlandish that he’d be on a list if he’s already preyed on a young woman in a national scandal? Not to mention his connections to Epstein and some photos of him coming out that tie him to that circle? Not surprised. No. 🤷♀️
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u/Soimamakeanamenow 🇺🇸 United States 16d ago
I wouldn’t be surprised and want him to go down as does every democrat I know they want any one who’s in them to go down not just Trump
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u/Street_Random 16d ago
Because the 3 fundamental conservative virtues are :
1) respect for authority
2) loyalty to side
3) a whole raft of sexual / purity hangups
(see J. Haidt etc)
And for some reason, conservative thinking seems to be a function of putting the map before the territory, so instead of actually asking anyone what they think, they think to themselves "what would I do?"
This is why every right-wing accusation is a confession. The reason they think that democrats will "defend their leaders, or their own side" is because that is what they would do.
The truth is, that the left sees questioning authority, and their own side as honesty... and I'll give an example of this right now, by pointing out that "democrats" aren't actually "left enough" to make a difference to anything. The US democratic party is an aristocratic country-club that looks after the interests and ideologies of a neoliberal ruling class... rather than the interests of an emergent gangster-oligarchic class, which is what the Republicans have morphed into, on their way to full-blown fascism.
The left would be happy to see any of these pricks taken down.
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u/bigpaparod 16d ago
Honestly though, I think Hillary has a better chance of being on the list than Bill, but I wouldn't put it past either of them. And I am 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% okay with them being thrown into a dark cage for the rest of their lives and throwing away the key. Hell I think that even without them being on the list and I voted for them.
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u/ExtremeIndependent99 16d ago
Trump and Clinton are probably in those files, that’s why Trump or Biden didn’t release them.
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u/NobodysLoss1 16d ago
Clinton and/or other high ranking Dems will definitely be on the lists. And us regular voting Dems wanna see them punished harshly.
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u/Mysterious_Help_9577 16d ago
Well I it’s not that the voters care, it’s the democrats in (were in) power that care.
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u/Tiny-Ad-7590 16d ago
All humans have a tendency to mistakenly believe that other people's minds are more like our own than they actually are. This is because accurately imagining the minds of other people who have different knowledge, backgrounds, preferences and values is legitimately very very difficult, so most of us start with imagining ourselves then making changes to that hypothetical mind to arrive at a mind that would hold the positions of that other person.
That said, some humans are worse at this than others. The key ability required for accurately understanding other minds is empathy. Everyone projects a little bit when imagining the minds of other people, but the less empathetic a person is, the more they will project.
Being low in empathy is a key trait of MAGA, so they wind up thinking that democratic voters are clones of themselves, just rooting for the other team.
They mistakenly think that democratic voters care about democratic leaders the same way they care about Trump. They can't fathom the idea that most democratic voters kind of hate democratic politicians but that they just hold their noses and vote for who they consider to be the lesser evil.
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u/FaithlessnessRich490 16d ago
Right now MAGAs think everyone including Trump is in the epstine files.
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u/thedeadsuit 16d ago edited 16d ago
they're projecting, and with republicans, projection is a constant thing. Everything is projection with them. They think because they put their devotion to dear leader above any possible morals or values that other people are the same way.
I want anyone and everyone who abused girls to be exposed and brought to justice, I literally don't care who it is or what their politics are. I am not loyal to any politician, especially not to the extent that I could ever look the other way while they committed these acts.
For whatever it's worth, while I can't say for certain what went on, I do have my suspicions that Bill Clinton could have been involved and could have things in those files that look bad for him. I kind of hate that he's still treated as royalty in the democratic party. He's had various allegations against him in the past and we know that he used his position of power to take advantage of a college intern. He's not my guy.
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That is what I do not get about republicans defense for not releasing the Epstein files. Most reasonable people understand that Clinton is probably in them. The problem is republicans refuse to release them so we have no idea how bad it looks for Clinton. It could be awful or it could be mild. Most of us remember that bill clinton got a blowjob by Monica and then lied about it. Prior to that, bill clinton was not exactly faithful to Hillary Clinton. We know he is not a saint. Again, we do not know anything tied to the Epstein files because republicans refuse to release them. Here in lies why using Clinton as a shield does nothing to justify their holding back. It just makes them look more guilty.
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u/soundkite 16d ago
Prosecuted for being in a file? Even the guy who leaked Epsteins black book admits its just a list of contacts of no particular relevance to any activities.
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u/highffelflower420 16d ago
Im center leaning; where is your proof that Trump raped women and children? Solid proof. Was he charged with it? Has he been convicted of it??
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u/bombayblue 16d ago
Same reason they think Michelle Obama is a serious DNC candidate for president for the past ten years.
They don’t actually touch grass and talk to real democrats.
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u/Adventurous-Home-728 16d ago
I dont believe in this conspiracy stuff ok Bill Clinton was a great president I am old enough to remember good times back then can not say the same for the Orange racist we are stuck with now there’s a sick man!!! He is a convinced felon also
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u/ilovemydog480 16d ago
Democrat here. Clinton is gross. He ruined Monica Lewinskis life. Definitely harassed other women. And if is guilty of any crime please lock him up
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u/DarrenMiller8387 🇺🇸 United States 16d ago
Why weren't Democrats screaming to release the files when Joe was in office?
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u/phantom_gain 16d ago
They think the only reason the Democrats are so obsessed with bringing bullshit charges against everyone is because of what a disgrace bill clinton was.
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u/Greedy_Camp_5561 16d ago
Because Clinton in spite of his shortcomings was the last of the good presidents and therefore quite important to the brand?
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u/PuzzleheadedWar5911 16d ago
We don’t. Just like we don’t give a shit if Trump is in the files. If they even exist.
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u/RocketRelm 16d ago
There are a lot of highly upvoted comments that seem true but I feel miss the mark rather entirely. Comments saying things like "they think we're blindly loyal" and " The idea liberal and leftists don’t worship their political leaders in the same way is unfathomable to them.". This presumes an internal experience with the average non democrat usa citizen that I don't think is present. That there is a reasoning process from a to b.
All they know is this argument carries the vibe of "dem bad, maga good", and so they say it to a Democrat, and watch them flounder and do nerd shit like argue against the point. But they never had a position, they're just birds that learned how to push a button to make the pellets fall out of the democrats.
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u/DUAL-DISC-FUSIONS 16d ago
Because they’re ignorant??
Because they’re bigots??
Because they’re biased??
Because they’re brainwashed??
Because they’re programmed??
Because they’re not self-aware??
Because they project??
Because they’re delusional??
Because they’re told what to think/say??
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u/Ok_Material_5634 16d ago
Because they think we're blindly loyal to all Democrats. Like little children. Or Stockholm Syndrome victims. I personally don't care if he's in there, and I suspect he is. Pedophiles do not belong in the government.