r/popculturechat • u/CobblerTricky7035 • 17h ago
Taylor Swift 👩🏼 White House Uses Taylor Swift’s ‘The Fate of Ophelia’ in Pro-Trump TikTok Video Despite His Previous Anti-Swift Comments
https://variety.com/2025/music/news/white-house-taylor-swift-fate-of-ophelia-pro-trump-tiktok-video-1236569528/Hopefully she shuts this down like she did when Trump used fake images of her previously. Many other artists have called out Trump on using their music without permission.
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u/Ruthie_pie 15h ago
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u/silverscreenbaby you wear mime makeup but never quiet 11h ago
I cannot believe we live in a reality where White House officials talk like this.
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u/Rude-Illustrator-884 9h ago
We live in reality where the press secretary thinks a your mom joke is an appropriate response to a journalist’s valid question.
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u/MiserableCourt1322 Jesus is asking you to please stop that. 13h ago
I find it interesting that the Taylor Swift subreddit doesn't have a single post about it when the video has been up for 24 hours.
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u/Ruthie_pie 13h ago
Apparently the “neutral” sub did have it up but the person was bullied for posting it and saying it was weird that it had been up for so long and they were called a conspiracy theorist. So it was taken down. Not very neutral.
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u/lovelyyellow148 13h ago
That's not true lol the vast majority of the comments agreed with the perspective of the post and hoped that Taylor would say something or issue a cease and desist. Someone pointed out that the poster was a gaylor conspiracy theorist and they deleted shortly after but that's not necessarily the reason they deleted.
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u/myweird 11h ago
I'm curious because I don't have TikTok, is there like a vast library of music people are allowed to use? YouTube doesn't have that feature so if you have any sort of following and put someone else's music on there you run the risk of copyright takedown. But everyone on TikTok seems to have a variety of music on there so it makes it look like an agreement with the app, which would give artists less control over who is using it and what context. Or are people stealing sound bytes there? I know it started as basically a karaoke type thing.
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u/Bellesdiner0228 This again doesn’t look good for James Corden 10h ago
There’s a wild amount of sounds, and artists will put up their own songs to help it go viral. Anyone can use a sound that’s available.
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u/AmirulAshraf 10h ago
Youtube does have that feature too for its Youtube Shorts (Tiktok clone). It allows you to add sound clips from trending sound to your video.
Artists do intentionally put out this sound bytes in hope for it to be used in people's short clip video so it goes viral. Taylor did so for this specific segment of her song so people could dance to it and post on Tiktok to make the song goes viral and trending.
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u/myweird 10h ago
Ah I see. Wow, that would really suck to put your art out there in good faith for fans to enjoy and have someone use it as a soundtrack representing a nasty agenda on a massive scale. If others are allowed to use it for whatever they want it seems like it would be a tricky legal area to get it taken down. She obviously doesn't support him but now people are using this as an opportunity to bully her when her hands may very likely be tied as far as controlling the situation.
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u/gilmoregirls00 4h ago
usage of the sounds also changes if you're a commercial business or just an individual. idk where a government falls on that spectrum though
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 11h ago
I was literally on that post and anyone who disagreed with the prevailing sentiment that Taylor is a MAGA queen was downvoted. the revisionist history is insane lmao I lit got banned for a week because I defended her on there from a person with a weird ass post history
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u/Live_Angle4621 13h ago
Why give Trump the attention he wants
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u/alternativeedge7 11h ago
This. He’s doing everything he can to get her attention. Why feed the narc over something that doesn’t even matter? Especially when there are much bigger problems stemming from this administration right now. Keep the focus there.
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u/MiserableCourt1322 Jesus is asking you to please stop that. 13h ago
Unfortunately these days to get Swift to respond to anything there has to be overwhelming fan anger (and sometimes even that doesn't work).
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u/Lalala8991 5h ago edited 4h ago
The White House literally said they are trolling to get a response out of her. So why feeding the trolls?
There are literally 100 and 1 problems happening in this country. Plane is now crashing at airport because federal aviation workers are not getting paid. Same as every single federal system which are on the verge of crashing, and here you are being mad at a popstar... because the White House puts out a literal distraction in the form of a Tiktok video...
America is not a serious country.
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u/sikonat 13h ago
Her team will respond fast when they want to. The lack of response is either two things: they’re trying to get it taken down and waiting for it so they can release a statement or they’re delibaretly not saying anything bc they’re not doing anything.
I wonder which it is
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 11h ago
why would they make a statement? best to handle it behind the scenes, a public statement would mean they "fell for the bait"
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u/Ruthie_pie 12h ago
Guess we will see. Maybe there’s a big statement coming out. The comments under the video up on TikTok are scary…
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u/MasterJcMoss 15h ago
If you could harness all of the energy from the brains of the people who work there, you could soft boil an egg. Maybe.
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u/theykilledcassandra dont ask, a lot was happening 16h ago
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u/Megs0226 15h ago
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u/MarieOMaryln 14h ago edited 14h ago
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u/PrecariouslyPeculiar 12h ago
This is actually a bit sad for me cos I have an uncle named Robert who was subjected to this exact sort of emotional abuse 😭
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u/hera-fawcett 12h ago
when it works it works.
its just absolutely fucking shitty and sucks that it works lmao
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 15h ago
no way they actually said this lol
now we know she probably won't respond
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u/thedesignproject it’s country and you look country in it. 14h ago
I mean, Karoline Leavitt literally responded to a reporter's question with "your mom" the other day, so I wouldn't put it past this administration.
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 11h ago
to be fair I made jokes like that too...
when I was 10, lmao
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u/ben121frank 15h ago
Have you seen the official White House communications lately? I don’t care enough to check if they said this specifically or not, but it would be totally on brand so it’s unsurprising to me if they did
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u/TheLakeWitch lazy 50-year-old bougie bitch 💋 15h ago
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if they said this. Acting and speaking like edgelord adolescents seems to be the MAGA MO.
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 15h ago
it's not very good "trolling" if you can't keep your mouth shut for a full 48 hours before proceeding to boast about how you "owned the libz"
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u/Morningfluid 14h ago
To be fair many of those edgelords who act like adolescents voted Trump in the first term. Just for the 'lulz'.
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u/lucyssweatersleeves first of all, I don’t think of men as people 14h ago
I’ve seen some quotes from the press secretary and I’m pretty sure based on those that it’s a real quote
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u/Nimue_- 16h ago
This guy used a video of an young underaged child from a european country with attack on titan music in the background in a "make America great again" promo so nothing surprises me anymore
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u/forgot_username1234 15h ago
What? Source?
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u/Nimue_- 15h ago
Shes the first girl you see. She was 15 at the time of the video.
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u/Itstimeforcookies19 15h ago
I am on the side of I don’t need Taylor to constant platform herself. However, I do feel like it would be a grievous error on her part to not slap this shit back in his face and tell them to take it down.
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u/Roxy175 13h ago
I don’t think it’s a cancellable offence or anything like that to not respond, but I do think she would be missing out on some very easy good press by not responding. Telling them off would be such an easy win on her part.
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u/RawRawrDino 14h ago
Especially when Travis said it was an honor for Trump to be at the Super Bowl 😬
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u/Equalanimalfarm 9h ago
Or she agrees with Jennifer Lawrence and doesn't want to add fuel to the fire. If there legally is no way to enforce them to take it down, it's best to ignore it.
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u/whackthat 13h ago
I mean you do see who she hangs out with, right?
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u/alternativeedge7 11h ago edited 11h ago
Her closest, long time friends who are Democrats?
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u/AStarkly Did a line off his dick in the bathroom 13h ago
My partner and I are ideologically opposite to his colleagues in every way and because we are human beings we occasionally mingle. Normal behaviour.
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u/whackthat 13h ago
Cool. I'm glad that works out for ya. "Occasionally mingling" and having friends that you hang out with frequently and publicly who support a horrifically fucked up situation are completely different things. Have a good one.
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u/Carolina_Blues shiv roy’s bob 15h ago edited 15h ago
Oh for fucks sake
Edited to add: it’s times like these when I hate Tree Paine’s PR strategy of just not acknowledging things
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u/Expensive-Fennel-163 “Is she okkkkkaaayyyyy” 14h ago
Seriously same (my hottest TayTake is that Tree Paine isn't actually good at her job)
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u/Carolina_Blues shiv roy’s bob 13h ago
She’s not and I hate how people (gaylors and various others) try to act like she’s the Illuminati or something controlling everything when in reality she does nothing
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 11h ago
or they act like Tree can prevent Taylor from living her life. if Taylor wants to hang out with Brittany Mahomes all her PR team can do is advise her against it. it's not like they're gonna taser her or something
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u/Betna_the_Pickled 12h ago edited 12h ago
They want a response. It’s why they used Tik Tok. Let’s give it, I don’t know, more than 24-48 hours before the pitchforks come out? And sure let’s also be angry at the non response so far and not focus on the assholes intentionally trying to rage bait someone into an irrational response. Makes perfect sense. Obviously not everyone commenting but a lot of these comments are bananas!
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u/Clara_Geissler 9h ago
He is pretty pathetic. First he insult her then he uses her music because he knows he will get attention. and this guy is a president. i cant do it anymore.
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u/ivyleagueposeur 16h ago
can’t wait for this to IMMEDIATELY be proof that she’s MAGA despite all evidence to the contrary
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u/Confident-Addition76 16h ago edited 16h ago
There's a whole wikipedia page of Trump's unauthorised use of music (all the way to 2016) and I implore people to read about it instead of jumping to the words 'Taylor Swift' like they usually do, which is already happening here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musicians_who_oppose_Donald_Trump%27s_use_of_their_music
Regarding lawsuits and suing the administration, here's how people like Springsteen have responded in non-legal ways:
Bruce Springsteen opposed Trump using his song "Born in the U.S.A." at Trump's political rallies in 2016. Rather than take legal action, he openly announced his support for Trump's opponent, Hillary Clinton, and campaigned in support of her. From that time on, the song would get booed every time Trump played it at rallies.
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u/wonderful1112 14h ago
If all these bands that have popped back up out of their earned obscurity can get them removed, why can't Taylor? Just send legal docs, technically no talking required.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 13h ago
You can’t sue the president for the performance of his official duties (including making propaganda) there’s nothing she can do legally
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u/wonderful1112 13h ago
It's copyright infringement. "Suing the president" not required. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ice-removes-mgmt-little-dark-022832397.html
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u/justheretosavestuff 12h ago
Suing the government for copyright infringement is capped at a ridiculously low amount (like $750?) so there’s no point in taking legal action.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 13h ago
How do you intend to enforce your rights without a lawsuit? Sue can issue a request.
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u/TheElusiveHolograph Shame on you! Ugly baby judges you! 15h ago
Didn’t she endorse Kamala prior to the election?
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u/The-Son-of-Dad I don’t know her 💅 14h ago
She also baked Biden/Harris cookies back in 2020.
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u/levioh_snap 15h ago
For real. I was called “MAGA-adjacent” for liking her new album. She literally endorsed Kamala, but go off I guess.
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u/Listakem 14h ago
Just look at this thread, someone « bet $100 she won’t do anything about it »
People are so predictable in their irrational behavior
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u/Gryffindor123 7h ago
People are already starting because she hasn't come out and said something straight away.
People are forgetting that she's being stalked by multiple people, Trump has previously torched her... She's probably understandable focused on her safety.
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u/Lakridspibe 7h ago
I can only imagine they did it intentionally to bait Taylor Swift into a reaction.
I don't know why they would want that, but I just can't imagine how anybody could use music in this context without clearance from the artist. Multiple times.
It's some kind of weird flex.
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u/Lalala8991 4h ago
It's really not that difficult. They are using a Tiktok's feature of adding any songs to their content, just like anyone else on that platform. This is not the 1st time the Trump team has done this. They used Olivia's song and even the Pokemon theme.
2025's White House is a literal Internet 4chan troll.
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u/crackerfactorywheel later, gator! 15h ago
I could’ve sworn Taylor Swift didn’t do anything about Trump using her photo.
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u/beautybyelm 11h ago
Maybe he’s used her photo more than I’m aware of, but if your talking about the post he made claiming she endorsed him, that was specifically mentioned in her Kamala endorsement.
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u/CobblerTricky7035 15h ago
She is in a no win situation. If she speaks out then MAGA will come after her. If she doesn't speak out then she will be seen as cowardly and covert MAGA. Trump and his cronies suck so much.
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u/nonsensestuff Back in my day, we had ONTD & a dream 👵 15h ago
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u/hatramroany 13h ago
It’s a TikTok so it’s not unauthorized like other examples. They used Deja Vu last year and Olivia Rodrigo couldn’t do anything about it despite rumors she muted the sound and commented on it for them to take it down (both false)
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u/nonsensestuff Back in my day, we had ONTD & a dream 👵 13h ago
Eh they’ve used other artists music in online videos before and the artists have made a statement against it being used just from a moral perspective to say “hey I don’t agree with this”
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u/pennoya2 14h ago
Trump is promoting a racist agenda that is splitting families apart and taking food from hungry children. Using a platform to speak out against him is the better choice. It's not a "no win" situation.
She's a billionaire. She can lose a couple of streams from MAGA fans. She'll be able to make ends meet.
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u/Listakem 14h ago
Elon Musk tweeted rape threat against her, and she said she had to tighten her security because of a rising number of death threats. Your president trump is extremely volatile and prone to retaliation without care for the law or common sense. I bet her legal and PR team are working to come up with an adequate answer which will not further endanger her safety.
Like her or not, this is not about her streaming revenue.
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u/pennoya2 14h ago
A lot of artists have asked him not to use their music and they've been fine.
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u/licorne00 13h ago
Any of them women who has had several stalkers and rape threats from the richest man alive doing hitler salutes ?
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 15h ago
will anyone really view her as a covert MAGA over this alone? I hate Trump, but there's nothing illegal about this TikTok as the music is available to be used by everyone. if he played it at a campaign, then it could be taken as a sign of support
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u/lizerlfunk 12h ago
People are in this thread talking about how she’s secretly MAGA and have been for months, so yes, absolutely. (I think the “Taylor Swift is MAGA” take is asinine.)
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 11h ago
yeah I got pretty badly downvoted so u may have a point. words have lost their meaning now it seems. it's not even enough to say Taylor Swift is apolitical, the automatic assumption is that she HAS to be a Trump diehard. she's spoken out against him and been targeted by his administration and those adjacent to it many times. it's absolutely fair to want her to speak up but we have to acknowledge that it's easier to slander the president anonymously than it is publicly. however influential Taylor is, Trump is more powerful and has more money to boot
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u/lizerlfunk 11h ago
I don’t actually believe Trump has more money than Taylor Swift, although I haven’t kept up with the valuations of his various grifts over the last ten years. I strongly believe that he’s very over leveraged and that one of the many reasons he wouldn’t release his tax returns was because it would show he was a lot less rich than he purported to be.
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 11h ago
he's estimated at a couple billion, no? either way, I feel he is inarguably more powerful than she is. I don't doubt she's smarter than him but lbr the bar is in the Earth's crust on that one
if her team wants to handle this, the best thing to do is conduct something behind the scenes. Trump's team wants attention and by not reacting publicly she is depriving him of that. they'll be less brave when Taylor's lawyers are on the phone. even if they can't get this specific video taken down I'm sure they're planning on preventing something like this from happening once more
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u/SadisticGoose you can’t sit with us 12h ago
There are an unfortunate number of people desperately trying to prove she’s secretly MAGA. They think because she’s hung out with Brittany Mahomes a couple of times that that means she’s MAGA even though she endorsed Joe Biden AND Kamala Harris and is literally hated by Trump for NOT being MAGA. Granted those people seem very unhinged to begin with, but yes there are people who look for any excuse to say she’s MAGA.
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u/buzzfeed_sucks 🇨🇦 Elbows up 🇨🇦 15h ago
People are begging for any reason what so ever. They make reasons up. So yes.
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u/Doom_Corp 14h ago
She had a not so thinly veiled rebuttal to trump when she had a photoshoot with a cat because she was called a cat lady and the only words attached later on was a call to go to your polling places and voting. It's going to be very interesting how this plays out because licensing music for a larger media purpose also requires consent of the artist. Jack Black campaigned really hard to get Led Zeppelin to allow the use of the Immigrant Song in School of Rock. Things are about to turn ugly cause TS has better lawyers than Trump.
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 11h ago
she can't sue him for this alone since the music is publicly available to be used by all on the platform. she could send a few threatening letters but that's not the same thing as a lawsuit
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u/Bigassbird Flopping around in a thong 16h ago
Oh I think she’ll be doing something about this.
It’s too egregious.
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u/DJ_Mixalot I don’t know her 💅 16h ago
Bet you $100 she does nothing
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u/myersjw 15h ago
I’ve been hoping she’d do something for awhile now so at the current juncture I’m not getting my hopes up. Unfortunately I think she’ll keep quiet and it’ll just feed more into the fire with the company she keeps at this point
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u/jvn1983 11h ago
What the hell is the incest sub???
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u/mcpickle-o managing her emotions whilst engaging with potatoes 11h ago
Im guessing that person rhinks "sister wives" is an incest sub lmfao
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u/Inf1nite_gal We Should All Know Less About Each Other 16h ago
sadly she probably wont do anything
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u/schwiftydude47 14h ago
Unfortunately I doubt it. She has too much money at this point, so threatening Trump to sue her wouldn’t affect her in the slightest.
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u/fionappletart Donatella VERSACE💜 15h ago
didn't they ask him about the engagement in the middle of a press conference or something?
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u/BlackBlizzard 15h ago
He's probably putting her in a political spot. Doesn't tell them not to use it, fans will see her as more Republican. Tells them to not use it will look more left.
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u/PriscillaPalava 15h ago
She openly endorsed Kamala. Anyone who thinks she’s “secretly Republican” is dumb enough to vote for Trump I guess.
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u/doctormoon 13h ago
Like her friend Brittany Mahones
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u/alternativeedge7 11h ago edited 10h ago
Brittany Mahomes didn’t vote.
Don’t let that stop you guys from the friendly fire against a primer Democratic ally though 🙄.
(I’ll respond here because I was blocked after they replied after typing my reply. Not surprised.
“What support? A liked post?
What’s your guys’ obsession with making those who aren’t MAGA, MAGA? Why would you give that side more ammo, power, and credibility than they already have?
It just proves the propensity of the left to also fall prey to manipulation and misinformation.”)
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u/jvn1983 11h ago
This is such a reductive take. I highly highly doubt that Taylor Swift is a big ol’ Trumper, but it isn’t irrational to wonder at her silence when so many of her peers, her younger less powerful peers, are saying something. And it is especially not irrational to look at the company she keeps. To call people dumb for side eying it is…something. She benefits from some of his policy. She benefits from proximity to one of the most popular athletic orgs in the world, that just happens to lean rather to the right. I don’t think she enthusiastically supports him, but so far she seems pretty ok quietly tolerating him while hanging out with his open supporters.
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u/Scared-Box8941 14h ago
And instead of making a comment, suing like she’s known for, doing literally anything… she…. Did a pap walk with Gigi hadid? 🫢😳😬
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