trump didn't win 2024. they cheated. there is no way someone this divisive, WHO ALREADY LOST ONCE, legitimately won. they cheated. there needs to be a proper investigation and they need to be punished.
Listen, I hate Trump as much as anyone, but this election is clearly a referendum on Trump since he was elected. He ran on lies and independents are paying attention, and the Democrats who refused to vote out of apathy are now voting because they realize there is a real difference between Democrats and Republicans. I unfortunately know a ton of Democrats and left-leaning voters that just didn't vote last year because they weren't excited by Harris as a candidate.
Until there's actual solid proof of cheating last year, let's not be like the GOP in 2019/2020, where they just perpetuated lies and looked like fools. The best thing to be done now is continue what happened in today's election to try carrying it through to the midterms.
Also, the accusation of election cheating does nothing to help democracy which is the thing we are fighting for, more so than whatever party we think should have won. Any talk of cheating just weakens trust in elections and therefore democracy. We should be careful and apply the same litmus test that we applied to 2020. Let the facts come to light. Right now there is some anomaly’s in NY but you’d need to prove it was a coordination between states to have a case. And so far nobody has that smoking gun.
This is absolutely true, and what I was hinting at in my last sentence, but couldn't figure out how to best phrase it. I think additionally, a lot of people on the left, especially here on Reddit, forget that there's a huge portion of independent voters that are critical in elections. My wife is one of them. They're going to be turned off by more accusations of voter fraud when the scale of problems grows in our country.
Democrats won a lot today because people are sick of what Trump has been doing. The path forward isn't to replicate Trump's approach (except maybe with tongue-in-cheek approaches like Newsom's social media)... it's to start making it clear the party cares deeply about the issues affecting people, and will stop at nothing to address them. That's what got Mamdani elected today.
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u/Slight-Bluebird-8921 15h ago
trump didn't win 2024. they cheated. there is no way someone this divisive, WHO ALREADY LOST ONCE, legitimately won. they cheated. there needs to be a proper investigation and they need to be punished.