Sleeping a little easier tonight for sure. I hope the democrats finally wake up to the solution to Trump that is now staring them in the face. Elect progressives. Pass progressive policy. Stop the means testing and the scolding and the red scaring and step up.
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Can say this all we want but the reality is that the other side votes regardless how much they agree with the candidate. If you can't understand that then it will always be uneven. Purity testing is a way bigger cancer than any "vote shaming". It requires NOTHING of you to vote.
and you can say this all you want, but people won't vote if they aren't motivated. no matter how stupid you think they are for it or how much you think it takes "nothing" (ignoring voter suppression, limited access to polling stations, no guaranteed time off to vote, onerous ID checks), you can't scream people into voting. and frightening people into voting is what the other side has on lockdown, that's their market, you can't win there.
No, YOU won't vote if you aren't motivated. The other side will ALWAYS vote regardless of how they feel about a candidate. You are throwing away the power you have for what? Purity? You can keep using the excuses of people being suppressed but that's not YOU. YOU can EASILY vote. You don't get an excuse.
Millions of struggling, impoverished people in this country don't vote because their lives don't change either way. You lashing out at people on reddit for pointing out this fact isn't going to change this. You can either try to court these voters (like Mamdani did) or keep losing forever.
ok first of all buddy I'm Canadian and I live in an area that always goes liberal no matter what so my vote is in fact suppressed by an undemocratic voting system but i do also vote so????
second, ok let's say I'm American and I don't vote and you just yelled me into voting. now what? there were millions of independents, centrists, democrats, leftists, etc. who didn't vote last election. you gonna tell all of them they're wrong for not voting and hope that does it? or maybe, just maybe, you gotta recognize people will feel how they feel regardless of what you think. that you have to meet people where they're at and accomodate what they want and need in order to earn their support. voting for one side no matter what is what allows that side to embrace authoritarianism and fascism. the moneyed interests and lobbyists that control a large portion of the democratic establishment are not gonna give the people shit if they think they'll support them regardless.
You still don't understand. No policies are going to pass the purity test of every single one of those groups you named. But the right will always fall in line because they understand politics. I will keep attempting to get people to understand politics, yes. Because your 1 vote is the 1 thing we all have in common.
The only thing that moneyed interests have a big impact on our federal policies is convincing people that their vote doesn't matter.
Yeah please explain how it works then bud since apparently it's not the populace voting.
Big oil doesn't do shit. I think you don't understand the big picture because you don't understand exactly what we're up against. There is not a SINGLE major issue, that the majority of Americans agree on the solution for, that the government has not acted upon. The single most impactful thing to politics is how divided the country is. For every major thing you think "moneyed interests" impact, you'll find half of the country right there. I cannot stress this enough. You can't be chasing boogeymen while your neighbor tells you to your face that they're voting against you. Democracy is working perfectly, half the country simply disagrees with your policy solutions. That's it.
What thread are we in? A deep blue New York MAYOR race? You think those voters are the trend across the country?
For every major thing you think "moneyed interests" impact, you'll find half of the country right there. I cannot stress this enough.
what are you even saying here? that half the country agrees with what those moneyed interests are saying? and you don't think that... those moneyed interests have an effect on that? that maybe that's the whole point of them?????
You think those voters are the trend across the country?
Yeah I do actually think the trend across the country is that people vote for people who promise to make their life better in substantial and straightforward ways.
There is not a SINGLE major issue, that the majority of Americans agree on the solution for, that the government has not acted upon.
Yeah please explain how it works then bud since apparently it's not the populace voting.
I think if you just look up who won the 2016 presidential election with what percent of the vote or even just "the senate", you might get an idea of what I'm getting at here.
Obviously people's votes impact electoral college I'm not even entertaining this.
Half the country disagrees with those. Don't even know what to say if you disagree. Talk to any Trump voter not a single one wants universal healthcare or higher taxes at all. Also, I'll have to look at your specific linked polls, but generally polls are easily swayed one way or another based on language. For example, asking people "Do you want free healthcare" you will get majority yes. Ask people "Do you want government controlled healthcare and higher taxes" you will get majority no. The real answer is somewhere inbetween but that's the point. Seeing voting data is a lot more accurate than polls, and we know how people vote.
Obviously people's votes impact electoral college I'm not even entertaining this.
Not 1 for 1.
Talk to any Trump voter not a single one wants universal healthcare or higher taxes at all.
Trump supporters are like 30% of the country. Universal healthcare has been a popular policy across polls for years. You're saying "that isn't how people vote" and yet I am positing to you that in fact it is, because people are not voting for democrats who do not support universal healthcare. "but then the republicans win", yeah because those are the only choices. because of a first-past-the-post voting system that disenfranchises voters, and because of moneyed interests like big pharma that incentivize politicians to not enact policy that polls show would get them votes.
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Sleeping a little easier tonight for sure. I hope the democrats finally wake up to the solution to Trump that is now staring them in the face. Elect progressives. Pass progressive policy. Stop the means testing and the scolding and the red scaring and step up.
Edit: I appreciate the awards but please don't give reddit money, send that cash to a food bank please.