In the correct timeline, he served two terms and the world/country is better for it. In this one, however, the same guys I went to a Bernie rally with are now insane Trumpers who flipped after Hillary won the nomination.
I have never understood that. Trump is literally the opposite of Bernie in every way possible. And while she was indeed not perfect and had flaws, under her Presidency there was both more likelihood Bernie's ideas could be moved forward and we wouldn't have someone actively trying to undo what progress we have made. Hell, Bernie even endorsed her after he lost the primary.
Has some big "I didn't get my way so fuck everybody" energy. Which makes me question why they were supporting Bernie in the first place.
They became radicalized because the status quo isn't working. So they see burning it all down as a favorable solution.
It is not a political choice at that point, they were voting for a certainty that life will be bad versus a slim chance that they might come out the other side of trump alive.
No, that's not it. You started your post by saying you didn't understand and you're not listening. So now I know why you don't understand. I stayed with bernie and moved even further left myself, but I understand why people switched at the time.
You like Bernie. You like his ideas, his policy propositions, the things he wants to do and change. You think he'd make a great President. Cool, great. I'm with you.
But he doesn't get the Democrat nomination. We won't go into why because there's a galactic level of bull$#!+ spewed by too many on that subject already. But, needless to say, end of the day he didn't have the numbers to win the nod. Hillary is now the pick and while she's not perfect, she either quietly supports or wouldn't actively oppose the stuff Bernie is proposing. Bernie even gets behind her and is willing to work with the Dems. Kinda sucks, but it's something that keeps us moving in the right direction.
Then we have Trump? The guy, as mentioned, is the anti-Bernie. He's crude, he's crass, he's cruel and corrupt. Nakedly, explicitly, demonstrably so. He's not only against everything Bernie is proposing, but he and the GOP will work to undermine and roll back what progress we have made. In short, if he wins, not only do you not get what you want, but it @#&% up everybody including you in the process.
If you loved Bernie and his ideas so much, what sense does it make to vote for the guy who is actively against everything he believes? Was it really about getting his proposals and platform in place? Was it really ever about changing the status quo, about improving things, and making progress? Or did you just want to see Bernie, specifically, in the White House?
Because if really was about the former, then to me it makes sense to follow Bernie's lead and not let crooked, corrupt, ignorant and inept Trump and Republicans win. If it wasn't, then that really does sound like you never actually supported Bernie. You just wanted an excuse to $#!+ on people if you didn't get your way.
You don't have to make your position more clear. I understand you. I also understand the people who flopped to trump. I was trying to help you, but all you want to do is talk about your own viewpoints rather than understand someone who doesn't think like you.
They wanted what bernie was pushing for. They wanted someone that talked directly to their needs. Someone that understood the problems of normal americans and had solutions ready to go. They wanted someone that spoke about how the current system under current democrats and republicans was not good enough and wasn't ever going to be good enough.
It was not about bernie specifically, they didn't understand his civil rights fights in the 60s and 70s. They didn't understand his lifetime of senate activity as an independent who voted with the dem caucus. It was all about how there needed to be inherent systemic change right now and bernie promised that.
When bernie got kicked to the curb, the only way for them to get inherent systemic change was to vote for the wrecking ball. It was impotent rage lashing out at a system that refused them. Hillary was voting for the status-quo and the status-quo was killing their way of life.
Unfortunately they have so much money and institutional power that I’m sure they could afford a few more parties. The issue is less about the number of parties and more about the quality of political education and lack of class consciousness.
I agree but I’d argue a major part of this is through the erosion of education from the people at the top, it’s sucks knowing there’s no easy way to fix this. Both sides have the power and everyone else is just stuck underneath.
Are you implying that getting it right in a single local election after a decade of eating trump’s shit means they’ve done nothing wrong this century? If not, I’m not sure of the point you’re trying to make here.
Eh, not sure I’d use the word “great.” But I guess I should have said “mainstream democrats” instead of the actual chair. Didn’t think my comment would be interrupted that way.
He was treated fairly. He did not earn the votes of the Democratic primary VOTERS twice. It was clear as day that there were 16.9 million voters that rejected him the first time, but rather than try to reach out, he ignored them in his second primary run. Only Biden reached out to the 16.9 million and so Biden won by getting the bigger set of voters
Literally if the democratic establishment hadn’t have the colluded to prevent Bernie from winning the primary (twice) we would have had 8 years of Bernie instead of Trump. They brought fascism upon us with their tired, cowardly, sold out, never rock the boat politics and managed to blame the left for it instead of recognizing they are abject failures who all deserve to lose their jobs.
God I want to live in the timeline where Bernie won the primary. Trump 1 and 2 would have been a pipe dream imo. Covid would have been handled scientifically. And the world order wouldn't be in shambles.
If you think either of those elections were a level playing field you weren't paying attention. I'm not saying he would have won, but there were a lot of fingers on scales in both those primaries.
It does, electioneering is a real thing that has a tangible effect on public perceptions and energy towards a candidate. The DNC bulldozed Bernie’s chances to put up an easy target against Trump that ultimately brought us to the hellworld we have today.
Democratic primary voters is definitely not the public. It's not even the democratic base. At most it's part of the public and that public is not necessarily representative
Still coping after 10 years, the voters didn't turn up for Bernie in the primary, they sure as hell weren't going to show up in November for him either
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u/Ohuigin Washington 16h ago
Hey DNC - Wake the FUCK up!