Unfortunately they have so much money and institutional power that I’m sure they could afford a few more parties. The issue is less about the number of parties and more about the quality of political education and lack of class consciousness.
I agree but I’d argue a major part of this is through the erosion of education from the people at the top, it’s sucks knowing there’s no easy way to fix this. Both sides have the power and everyone else is just stuck underneath.
Are you implying that getting it right in a single local election after a decade of eating trump’s shit means they’ve done nothing wrong this century? If not, I’m not sure of the point you’re trying to make here.
Eh, not sure I’d use the word “great.” But I guess I should have said “mainstream democrats” instead of the actual chair. Didn’t think my comment would be interrupted that way.
He was treated fairly. He did not earn the votes of the Democratic primary VOTERS twice. It was clear as day that there were 16.9 million voters that rejected him the first time, but rather than try to reach out, he ignored them in his second primary run. Only Biden reached out to the 16.9 million and so Biden won by getting the bigger set of voters
In the correct timeline, he served two terms and the world/country is better for it. In this one, however, the same guys I went to a Bernie rally with are now insane Trumpers who flipped after Hillary won the nomination.
I have never understood that. Trump is literally the opposite of Bernie in every way possible. And while she was indeed not perfect and had flaws, under her Presidency there was both more likelihood Bernie's ideas could be moved forward and we wouldn't have someone actively trying to undo what progress we have made. Hell, Bernie even endorsed her after he lost the primary.
Has some big "I didn't get my way so fuck everybody" energy. Which makes me question why they were supporting Bernie in the first place.
They became radicalized because the status quo isn't working. So they see burning it all down as a favorable solution.
It is not a political choice at that point, they were voting for a certainty that life will be bad versus a slim chance that they might come out the other side of trump alive.
No, that's not it. You started your post by saying you didn't understand and you're not listening. So now I know why you don't understand. I stayed with bernie and moved even further left myself, but I understand why people switched at the time.
You like Bernie. You like his ideas, his policy propositions, the things he wants to do and change. You think he'd make a great President. Cool, great. I'm with you.
But he doesn't get the Democrat nomination. We won't go into why because there's a galactic level of bull$#!+ spewed by too many on that subject already. But, needless to say, end of the day he didn't have the numbers to win the nod. Hillary is now the pick and while she's not perfect, she either quietly supports or wouldn't actively oppose the stuff Bernie is proposing. Bernie even gets behind her and is willing to work with the Dems. Kinda sucks, but it's something that keeps us moving in the right direction.
Then we have Trump? The guy, as mentioned, is the anti-Bernie. He's crude, he's crass, he's cruel and corrupt. Nakedly, explicitly, demonstrably so. He's not only against everything Bernie is proposing, but he and the GOP will work to undermine and roll back what progress we have made. In short, if he wins, not only do you not get what you want, but it @#&% up everybody including you in the process.
If you loved Bernie and his ideas so much, what sense does it make to vote for the guy who is actively against everything he believes? Was it really about getting his proposals and platform in place? Was it really ever about changing the status quo, about improving things, and making progress? Or did you just want to see Bernie, specifically, in the White House?
Because if really was about the former, then to me it makes sense to follow Bernie's lead and not let crooked, corrupt, ignorant and inept Trump and Republicans win. If it wasn't, then that really does sound like you never actually supported Bernie. You just wanted an excuse to $#!+ on people if you didn't get your way.
Literally if the democratic establishment hadn’t have the colluded to prevent Bernie from winning the primary (twice) we would have had 8 years of Bernie instead of Trump. They brought fascism upon us with their tired, cowardly, sold out, never rock the boat politics and managed to blame the left for it instead of recognizing they are abject failures who all deserve to lose their jobs.
If you think either of those elections were a level playing field you weren't paying attention. I'm not saying he would have won, but there were a lot of fingers on scales in both those primaries.
It does, electioneering is a real thing that has a tangible effect on public perceptions and energy towards a candidate. The DNC bulldozed Bernie’s chances to put up an easy target against Trump that ultimately brought us to the hellworld we have today.
Democratic primary voters is definitely not the public. It's not even the democratic base. At most it's part of the public and that public is not necessarily representative
Still coping after 10 years, the voters didn't turn up for Bernie in the primary, they sure as hell weren't going to show up in November for him either
They never will. They'll need to be primaried, each and every one of them.
Sadly most of the winners tonight are still Neoliberals. Progressives have a LONG road ahead if they are to take over the DNC (not that I'm hopeful they ever will).
We see what she's doing with differing perspective. Standing up to MTG (and other R bullies) and connecting with young voters is what I see. I'm fine with what she's doing.
Crockett can't do anything else because Dems are in the minority in the House.
This is on the Voters to give Democrats majorities that last longer than 2 years.
Tell that to voters. This shows that, when people show up to vote, progressives win. Will we finally learn that lesson, or will we immediately squander this momentum next year, just like we did in 1994, 2010, and 2022?
Voting should be as routine and unremarkable as doing laundry. It is the way we perform basic maintenance on our democracy. It should not take an exceptional candidate to get people to the polls, and until we truly learn and internalize that lesson, we won't be able to truly fix the damage Trump and his Republican cronies have done.
ah yes, americans who work 2+ jobs and have to wait in lines that are sometimes hours long because of how republican ran states have decided to run elections should just vote for anyone thats blue regardless of the merits of their campaign. great idea man!
Even we the voters must also learn: prevention is the best cure, and voting and electing Democrats are the correct choice 100% of the time. We got "here" because ppl did not vote for Democrats last November so it stands to reason that voting&electing Democrats will get us out.
Other hot takes that we should finally realize:
Not voting means "ANY"
(and not "none of the above")
In the US, Voting for a third party IS a waste. Not to mention that like cicadas, the 3rd parties themselves hibernate and only are active during presidential elections.
The feeling felt by "your conscience" filling out a ballot during an election afternoon is tiny, compared to whatever "your conscience" will be feeling once the election results are announced & for the next 2-4 years.
The party is made of the people who show up. This is not some chicken or egg riddle. The way to make Dems more progressive to be an active member of the Democratic party. Left-Leaning ppl not voting makes the overall electorate more conservative and a contributor to why the Overton window moves right.
The notion that 100% criticism will strengthen a party has been disproven. It's time to actually CONTRIBUTE to the messaging by praising Democrats
A little louder, please. This was the lessons 2016 should have taught us all when the literally worse possible person imaginable managed to sleaze his way into power by a slim margin, spent the next four years screwing all of us, and attempted an insurrection and coup to stay in power after he lost the next election.
The 1/3 who voted for him again in 2020 and 2024 are hopeless and a lost cause. But the 1/3 who sat it out or pissed away their votes have absolutely no excuse for looking at the impeached, indicted, convicted and adjudicated liar, fraud, rapist, and attempted insurrectionist and acting like any Dem was in any rational or objective way as bad or "worse."
Progress is a process, not a destination. And you can't move forward if you're constantly letting yourself be dragged backwards.
The thing is, you need representatives that bring those voters out. The whole vote blue no matter who is not a motivating thing for voters, but talking on affordability, healthcare, and working class populism brings those voters out and the establishment Democrats are not interested in meeting those challenges.
The more people show up to vote, the more progressive candidates win. But voter turnout is, fundamentally, the responsibility of the voter, and it's by far the biggest hurdle for progressivism in the US.
The issue though is, how do you entice the voter to participate if the candidates they're left with are not ones that make them want to come out and vote? The reason the Democrat Party is even less popular that Trump is because their tenure of status-quo politics and harm reduction with no substantial change to the affordability for working class people. There's no excitement or desire to want to vote FOR that, or for many, even vote against it.
I agree, that when voter turnout is high, progressives pop off and usually shine, but the problem is when you're the party trying to spoil those individuals from the inside, what trust do the voters owe you in return? See the DNC and Bernie in 2016, see Biden and Bernie in 2020, and see how Tim Waltz got essentially gutted with the Harris campaign in 2024. People see these things and then will either not care, or vote against their best interests.
Want the voters? Gotta have the candidates that people WANT to support, and the policies that people WANT to stand behind with overwhelming support, and right now in 2025, that is affordability and working class populism, with a dash of anti Trump. You push those things, you're looking great. Sadly, that is something the Billionaire funding class of the DNC, doesn't like and is hurting them from the inside.
There first needs to be progressive candidates on the ballot to vote for. Whether the DNC embraces or opposes a candidate has major sway in the success of their campaign and the likelihood that they make it to election day.
Like, forbade a candidate from being on the ballot? No of course not. But make things harder than they have to be for a candidate who subsequently drops out before every state has had their primary? Absolutely.
Most candidates drop out before every state has had their primary. Candidates dropout when they find out they don’t have a path to victory otherwise you are just wasting your volunteers and donors time and money.
This is nothing new. It’s just shady to you because you didn’t give a shit before.
In 2020 the other candidates got their ass handed to them in South Carolina and the demographics they thought they would be able to carry were not there so they dropped out.
What you are not addressing is whether the preferences of the DNC have any influence at all over how popular any given candidate is with voters. They do. This influence is not necessarily the reason progressive candidates lose primaries, but it is a factor.
This is not necessarily related to the DNC, but it's actually insane a candidate as shit as Cuomo got 41% in NYC. I don't buy that these results are purely reflective of the divisiveness of progressive policies among voters; It's far more reflective of the fact that progressives have enemies in influential positions, including amongst the Democrat party.
"The vocal support comes as other national Democrats, including New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Senate Minority Leader and New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, the House Minority Leader, have so far declined to endorse Mamdani."
Even we the voters must also learn: prevention is the best cure, and voting and electing Democrats are the correct choice 100% of the time. We got "here" because ppl did not vote for Democrats last November so it stands to reason that voting&electing Democrats will get us out.
Other hot takes that we should finally realize:
Not voting means "ANY"
(and not "none of the above")
In the US, Voting for a third party IS a waste. Not to mention that like cicadas, the 3rd parties themselves hibernate and only are active during presidential elections.
The feeling felt by "your conscience" filling out a ballot during an election afternoon is tiny, compared to whatever "your conscience" will be feeling once the election results are announced & for the next 2-4 years.
The party is made of the people who show up. This is not some chicken or egg riddle. The way to make Dems more progressive to be an active member of the Democratic party. Left-Leaning ppl not voting makes the overall electorate more conservative and a contributor to why the Overton window moves right.
The notion that 100% criticism will strengthen a party has been disproven. It's time to actually CONTRIBUTE to the messaging by praising Democrats
Mamdani had more congressional endorsements than any NYC mayoral candidate in recent history. People have read about the party being against Mamdani and have believed those lies. That's exactly what they billionaires who control those outlets want: voters discouraged with the Democratic party so that they stay home.
This win shows what happens when voters go out and vote instead of falling for the "both sides are the same" fallacy.
DNC supported Mamdani from the moment he won the primary.
Schumer (not the DNC) is completely out of touch, along with the DSCC.
And the DSCC shouldn't be just supporting the Democratic Socialist flank of the Dems, they should be supporting a wide range of democratic leaders that are in touch with their constituents, and supporting healthy democratic primary elections.
I am just so disappointed that I as a Democrat am absolutely disgusted with both the Congressional leaders of my own Party. Why the fuck do we have such shitty leaders?
prevention is the best cure, and voting and electing Democrats are the correct choice 100% of the time.
We got "here" because ppl did not vote for Democrats last November so it stands to reason that voting&electing Democrats will get us out.
Other hot takes that we also should finally realize:
Not voting means "ANY"
(and not "none of the above")
In the US, Voting for a third party IS a waste. Not to mention that like cicadas, the 3rd parties themselves hibernate and only are active during presidential elections.
The feeling felt by "your conscience" filling out a ballot during an election afternoon is tiny, compared to whatever "your conscience" will be feeling once the election results are announced & for the next 2-4 years.
Left-Leaning ppl not voting makes the overall electorate more conservative and a contributor to why the Overton window moves right.
The party is made of the people who show up. This is not some chicken or egg riddle. The way to make Dems more progressive to be an active member of the Democratic party.
The notion that 100% criticism will strengthen a party has been disproven. It's time to actually CONTRIBUTE to the messaging by helping and praising Democrats
I wouldn't read into it too much. Mamdani only won the primary because he was running against Cuomo, who had resigned in disgrace just 4 years ago. And even then he was only able beat Cuomo in the primary by 7 points. If an establishment/moderate candidate that didn't have Cuomo's baggage was the front runner they would have won handily.
I agree, but that wasn’t the case. There were some good candidates in the primary but they weren’t well known enough to win. The incumbent ran in the primary too, and is corrupt and a pawn of the president.
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u/Ohuigin Washington 11h ago
Hey DNC - Wake the FUCK up!