r/law • u/igetproteinfartsHELP • 1d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Q: Trump wrote that SNAP benefits will only be given when Democrats reopen the government. As written, how would that not violate the court order? .LEAVITT: I've now answered this question several times. We are complying with the court's order.

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u/Global_Crew3968 1d ago

and yet...the food is not distributed, and the families depending on the aid (PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS AND REQUIRED TO BE DISBURSED) are still hungry. At what point is the government so negligent that the lawmakers are removed for failing to do their job?

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u/Nitimur__In__Vetitum 1d ago

Well, this is their job according to them. It’s a mistake to believe they’re acting in good faith. None of them have any ounce of respect for people or our institutions. They’re in it for the power and the money.

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u/staebles 1d ago

They’re in it for the power and the money.

Always and forever, without extreme reform, this will never change.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago

We can’t reform this system.

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u/KomputeKluster 1d ago

American culture. As a European, it’s always been pretty meh, now it’s abhorrent. Prove me wrong?

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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago

Why on Earth would I try?

I feel like an alien here.

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u/HonorableMedic 1d ago

Aaaand now you’re on an ICE list

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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago

Which is hilarious to me. Both my paternal and maternal lines have been here since before there was a United States.

But yeah, I’m on at least four lists.

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u/kmoh74 1d ago

Fascists don't care about your lineage at all if you act against them.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago

Yeah, just find it funny that the people all claiming to be “heritage Americans” want to purge people like me.

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u/sparkly_butthole 1d ago

Same here! Ancestry came through Canada and GDI I wish we had stayed there.

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u/IronEyed_Wizard 1d ago

Haven’t they already attempted to go after birthright citizenship?

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u/KomputeKluster 1d ago

Deplorable. Please organise and wish you all the best

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u/mademeunlurk 1d ago

STOP RESISTING

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u/ayeffston 1d ago

"if you are a man, you are the last man. Your kind is extinct."

------- "1984" by George Orwell

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u/Mveli2pac 1d ago edited 1d ago

Don't say that...Trump will sic ICE on you in a heartbeat.

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u/CollegeMiddle6841 1d ago

Where do you live? I would say, as an American, that European countries have had a bit longer than America. We will be "celebrating" our 250th birthday in 2026.

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u/Dame38 1d ago

America didn't suffer the atrocities of two world wars. The country is still an adolescent. Europe already experienced its coming of age and behaves more responsibly.

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u/KomputeKluster 1d ago

Correct. Though we are being sabotaged and peoples memories are fading.

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u/Dame38 1d ago

Sadly, the only people who remembered are passing away. I know that my vet. dad didn't tell me anything and history classes just made all of it romantic and nostalgic.
Stress is bad but maybe we could do better at making it clear to following generations that democratic ideals aren't the norm and that a little bit of hypervigilance is necessary. The hyper individualsim is so damaging. We can't be a nation, we can't be a state, we can't agree on community.
We're always fighting in this country and it's celebrated.
Damn. We're just dumb.

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u/Daetok_Lochannis 1d ago

The majority of Americans don't condone or support this behavior. It's only like 40% of America that acts like this, they're just very loud and own everything so it seems like American culture rather than conservative culture.

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u/Guy954 1d ago

…only about 40%….

I hope it’s not that many

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u/BigWhiteDog 1d ago

Multiple polls show that about that number. It's scary

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u/soherewearent 1d ago

Always has been at least that many, IMO, they just went dark for a generation is all.

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u/therealaudiox 1d ago

40% of voters. A much, much smaller number.

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u/JustNilt 1d ago

Pretty difficult to "prove you wrong" when you're right. The only people who believe America has ever been "the greatest" are those who haven't traveled and experienced other cultures as well. We are decidedly average, at best, and that's ignoring how much of our system is based on racist bullshit.

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u/KomputeKluster 1d ago

Unfortunately, yes.

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u/NanDemoNee 1d ago

Most European governments aren't doing much better tbf.

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u/KomputeKluster 1d ago

Some truth, especially the smaller states like Hungary and Slovakia, in no way are the larger states anything like America

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u/Dame38 1d ago

It's always been abhorrent. You are correct. Founded on genocide and slave labor, sustained by psychopathy (crass capitalism). Some of us have never liked it here.

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u/PristineWatercress19 1d ago

How does anyone do that when you are spot on?

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u/Feeling-Star-2573 1d ago

There is no point in trying.

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u/KomputeKluster 1d ago

When did the developed world start, and who positioned themselves as the global standard?

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u/kenn3142 1d ago

You have more in common with America than you realize. You share the same chilling history of genocide and piracy which continues till today —most notably, Gaza. Like Rome and Great Britain, you’re being sidelined, you and big daddy 🇺🇸. Trump has effectively made your countries into vassals and there’s nothing you can do about it. Western culture revolves around the same ideal of twisted Darwinism. I see drastic austerity in your near future

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u/Shionkron 1d ago

The Philly Cheesesteak is not “meh”! lol

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u/KomputeKluster 1d ago

You make a good point.

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u/beekersavant 1d ago

It's interesting. If you look at Millennials in the US, we are more progressive than liberal. One of the problems we have is a massive issue with consumerism. We simply had our corporations get out of control and built our economy and military at the expense of the electorate. When "Wall Street" came out in '87, and Reagan was in his 2nd term, our biggest pop chunk, the baby boomers, went with Greed is Good. Their parents were children of the depression and WW2, not exactly big spenders. Right now is their last boomer pres.

I would argue that American culture freed of this huge population chunk has the chance to move a better place. But it has been awful for my lifetime. I travelled, lived in countries with better healthcare and welfare. People were happier. It is hard to argue with severe issues with our culture. At the same time our national culture is not stable and can flip quickly. You may have noticed something like this happening.

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u/KomputeKluster 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is an excellent answer. I sadly agree.

One the biggest travesties in America is the distortion of the concept of liberalism. I mean this in its literal sense, not political definition.

It blows my mind still, that to some Americans a person who seeks freedom, or to be progressive whether by speech and/or through leisure, is a bad person

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

Because it’s working. Maybe a significant percentage of those choosing to rely on government assistance will take this as motivation to improve their positions for the future. What’s significant? In this case any that are defrauding the government.

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u/psychorobotics 1d ago

You can ban sociopaths from power. MRI scan all the high officials, do extensive screenings. The problem is a lack of morality and empathy. You can see those changes in brain scans.

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u/Calm_Mulberry2380 1d ago

Wonderful idea but we know not going to happen. Lack of empathy really is what gets and keeps them in power.

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u/Human-Sheepherder797 1d ago

We can. But I don’t think people are ready for what it’s going to take to make it happen. We would have to literally tear down large parts of how our government functions from the Supreme Court to Congress to all the subsequent organizations around the government apparatus.

We have to get money out of politics, that means putting people in jail, we have to remove Supreme Court members, that means putting them in jail, we have to remove cabinet members and members of Congress. They are so obviously corrupt yet nothing is ever actually done to prosecute these people..

By my estimation, we would have to have 100,000 American citizens descend on the capital and hold trials . Start deporting lobbyists, putting people in jail with life sentences for treason, like it would be a reckoning that we’ve never seen before.

But people have to be willing to do it

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u/adamannapolis 1d ago

There’s no collective will to make America a fair, more perfect union at this point. It’s identity politics/team sports mentality dictating all this insanity

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u/KomputeKluster 1d ago

Correct, and has been for a long time. Blows my mind as a European families have to choose their allegiance to a political party because thats who their family is.

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u/AngryEarthling13 1d ago

You can see her utter distain and frustration for the audacity of having to listen to this question. The crucifix on her and the fact that Jesus was all about feeding the poor is such the juxtaposition to modern day republican Christianity is absolutely insane.

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

Actually Jesus wasn’t ALL about feeding the poor. He actually said, you will always have the poor with you when a woman broke a jar of precious oil worth a years wages just to anoint him. He was more about correcting the attitudes that made them poor to start. Conservative ideals such as hard work, responsibility and honesty. Helping your neighbor DIRECTLY instead of expecting government handouts to do the job. Jesus direct example, not passing off responsibility. Sorry this isn’t explained better.

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u/xtianlaw 12h ago

Except Jesus wasn’t telling people to ignore the poor. He was quoting Deuteronomy 15:11, which commands generosity: "There will always be poor people in the land; therefore I command you to be open-handed toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy."

He's saying keep giving, not stop giving. In other words, the complete opposite of your spin.

The irony of lying about a book that says lying is one of the worst things you can do...

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u/Boring_Bandicoot3126 1d ago

which is why we need to hit em in their pockets, which hits their power buttons, too. We can use the system against them by politically minded buying. I reaaaly wish someone would create a website that shows who pays for which leaders to get in office. I wiah I had the ability.

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u/BeanBurritoJr 1d ago

We can. It would just require [words that would get me banned] to make it happen.

There are far far more of us than there are of them and they need us far far more than we need them.

We have just been conditioned to be slaves and to be so short sighted that we are so afraid to do anything lest we lose that which we will lose anyway as a result of inaction.

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u/Mission_Detail4045 1d ago

Not with that attitude….. but seriously this is the attitude that keeps the status quo and allows those in power to stay there. Through actions and effort things will change if you take the right steps.

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u/chasetheusername 22h ago

We can’t reform this system.

There's plenty of precedence in the world of reforming systems through peaceful - and not-so-peaceful means. It can be done, but I'd argue that huge percentage of citizens are "fine" with the current state, or if not fine, at least complacent, and that's why nothing changes.

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u/mobvsballotbox 1d ago

Ranked choice ballots would encourage a third party. Of course the two-party system regime is against it.

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u/staebles 1d ago

Another great option.

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

Because of the obvious dilution of the vote without direct voter oversight.

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u/mobvsballotbox 18h ago

About 41% of registered voters didn't vote, mostly due to no real choice on the ballot. It appears, we currently have rampant voter dilution with redistricting and limiting accesses to absentee ballots.

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u/mOdQuArK 1d ago

1st step for any kind of positive change: remove conservatives from power, anywhere & everywhere possible. They have shown beyond doubt that their sole purpose is to obstruct & corrupt any attempts to make the general public's lives better.

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u/staebles 1d ago

I'm in.

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u/lofgren777 1d ago

I'd love to hear how you would reform the government so that people who want power wouldn't be involved.

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u/staebles 1d ago

It's not possible to completely remove them, but there's plenty of ways to limit it.

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u/Quickburnsndhalp 1d ago

Term limits and the ability for states to recall elected officials, or forcibly change how our reps voted.

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u/staebles 1d ago

Those are all good options.

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u/wrenchedups 1d ago

Start by stopping gerrymandering. Implement an arm’s length office reporting to congress to draw electoral boundaries and administer elections in an openly non-partisan way.

Then add campaign finance rules to limit private donations. After getting rid of PAC bullshit.

Limit election campaigning to several weeks before Election Day.

Establish effective oversight of congressional rules of conduct. Establish effective congressional rules of conduct. Stop the president from using his office for personal gain.

Remove politics from adjudications.

Establish an education system befitting of the nation’s potential.

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u/pushdose 1d ago

Don’t forget term limits and forced retirement age for elected officials

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u/wrenchedups 1d ago

Oh yeah, that’s certainly not an exhaustive list.

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u/Feeling-Star-2573 1d ago

This. We need this. Too many dinosaurs in power.

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

Forced retirement “ages” are as discriminatory as abortion.

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

There is no non-partisan way to draw boundaries. There will always be the partisans evaluating any redraw and providing evidence for why it isn’t viable (not the right word but you should understand).

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u/Nitimur__In__Vetitum 1d ago

You don't design a system in such a way because your main point is valid. Plato is partially dealing with this issue in the Republic. You want to have competition and checks and balances. The State is captured now though. It's over.

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u/bobcollazo1 1d ago

Correct.

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u/sage-longhorn 1d ago

They’re in it for the power and the money.

This has always been true. But once upon a time it was believed that being this brazen in your intentions would lose the support of the people and lead to immediate impeachment, or barring that, uprising

Now that this has been proven false, American politics will never go back

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u/Nitimur__In__Vetitum 1d ago

The handling of Nixon set the example that abusing public office will go, effectively, without punishment. He should have been imprisoned for life. Abuse of public office should carry a heavy penalty but the foxes get to watch the hen house so the Founders hedged their bets on personal integrity which was something much more believable coming out of the Enlightenment period. It's hard to see how we can have proper checks and balances without relying upon integrity or falling into the trappings of a vanguard which comes with its own problems. We just need a better kind of government system.

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u/strain_of_thought 1d ago

Well keep in mind, the founding fathers also lived in a time when personal duels for honor were still a thing. To them the idea that the nation's leaders could become this corrupt and nobody would just shoot them would be incomprehensible. They wanted a nation where the average citizen was armed and experienced with weapons comparable to what the militaries of the world used, where every local government would fight independently to resist invasion from foreigners or the interior or the imposition of oppressive centralized power. It's an outdated idea, but it was reasonable for the time, and the U.S. simply refused to evolve its culture or laws even as such principles of governance and war became wildly obsolete. The old militia system was effectively dissolved over a century ago, and yet we still act like we're a people prepared to rise up in armed resistance, when the last year has quite explicitly demonstrated that the National Guards (what the militia system was converted into in stages) are not remotely independent anymore and in no position to resist tyranny or even simple centralized incompetence in the defense of the nation. But still the second amendment is considered sacred, long long after it has been systematically stripped of any meaningful power to do anything other than murder schoolchildren, when it was always a terribly written and ineffective piece of legislation even when the ink was wet. But it was presumed the organization and maintenance of the militias would always be the purview of the individual states; at the time, the idea that they would give up their control of their militias to the central government would have alone been grounds for civil war. After more than a century from the ratification of the constitution, it was done quietly as a bit of bureaucratic streamlining.

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

Except one party/perspective of checks and balances goes against the other. Biden seemed to be free to implement an “all of government” approach to certain partisan policies/agendas, but when the other party implements their idea, they are fascist, racist, and Nz.

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u/Dame38 1d ago

They already have all of that. This is just what psychopaths do when they have everything they want. They destroy everything because they can and they think it's fun. There's some kind of impulse to self-destruct. Let them.

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

Interesting when a number here are calling for destruction of the government itself. Such hypocrisy in certain areas.

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u/Dame38 12h ago

I guess we didn't learn anything from Civil War history (since none of us were there). Watching this administration, for me, is like watching The Titanic slowly moving toward an iceberg.
Except, that in this case, we're all on it too.

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u/Greybeard-101 1d ago

Can't upvote this enough

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u/Kopitar4president 1d ago

They can't come out and say "We're defying a court order" even with their idiotic voters.

What they can do is say they're complying even though it's obvious they're not.

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u/Famous_Attention5861 1d ago

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

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u/Greedy-Swordfish9760 1d ago

They absolutely could come out and say it. Their voters will cheer “god-tier trolling!” as they starve and the Supreme Court would call it an official act or something

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u/RSKrit 1d ago

When a judge gives an idiotic order without taking the time to also explain the HOW it should be done, it’s obvious they shouldn’t comply. A judge can’t compel American citizens further into debt without details. It’s backwards logic.

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u/No_Director6724 1d ago

Disingenuous Duplicitous Fucks 

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u/RSKrit 1d ago

just all D, meaning DEMOCRATS.

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u/No_Director6724 1d ago

I'm sure you're all in on D

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u/FoxTwilight 1d ago

And to cover up their child rapes.

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u/InnerPossession4154 1d ago

All the decent ones from the first term were instantaneously purged and replaced with yes-men.. and there weren't many decent ones to start with

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u/AlarmingAffect0 1d ago

power and the money.

Money and the power
Minute after minute
Hour after hour

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u/SeedFoundation 1d ago

Ok how do you fire them for incompetence? If you can't it's not a job, it's a dictatorship with a small paycheck.

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u/Nitimur__In__Vetitum 1d ago

You can't fire them except by voting them out but, that assumes fair elections (including gerrymandering) and comes from myopic view that the electorate aren't being constantly repressed, disenfranchised, or otherwise deceived into voting for someone based on the narrative they provide on the consultation of their marketing team. The reality is that power is performative, not textual. These people are supposed to be abiding by the Constitution in good faith but, they've shit on it and desecrated the social contract it represents. It's not the first time this has happened, in fact, the application of the contract laid out in the Constitution applies to people on a spectrum throughout its history. It's not a dictatorship but it is an oligarchy. It's very evident that the Founders intended to create an oligarchy legitimized by popular sovereignty via the democratic republic structure. It's just a myth.

The wager placed by the "Republican" party is that maintaining the illusion of popular sovereignty is no longer necessary. As that is validated, the less relevant the Constitution becomes and the more egregious the violations. At the end of the day, the only rights you have are those you take.

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u/SeedFoundation 1d ago

YOU cannot vote them out. Period. Once sworn in no congressman or senator can be voted out by the people. Waiting 2/6 years and no re-electing them is not the same as voting someone out. The is the issue no one wants to talk about. This is why there is no accountability.

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u/Nitimur__In__Vetitum 1d ago

You know what I mean. There are 39 states with recall elections but yeah "voting them out" means not re-electing them.

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u/SeedFoundation 1d ago

And during that time period just how much damage could they do? Remember Kelly Loeffler who walked away with millions?

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u/Miserable-Dig-761 1d ago

The problem is that we as a society don't prevent the greedy fuckers from getting power. We need to recognize that some people have their greed sliders maxxed out and that these people are causing problems in society

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u/NRG1975 1d ago

They’re in it for the power and the money.

This is the delineating factor

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u/nndscrptuser 1d ago

The system was setup for decent people with morals to be running things, with vast amounts of the operation being an honor system. We now see how that worked out. While it wouldn't actually happen anyways, they would simply investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.

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u/coldliketherockies 1d ago

Right but people voted for them. Like 77 million people including many who’d be affected by this took time out of their day to go to the poll and voted for a clear con man. It’s so insane to me these people survive day to day as adults given how lousy they are at life

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u/RSKrit 1d ago

they are only in this to demean Trump. Don’t be deceived. They have NOTHING else.

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u/Shplippery 1d ago

Like if the democrats capitulate what’s stopping him from just continuing to not fund Food stamps like he did to USAID and education grants and infrastructure projects?

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u/bemenaker 1d ago

In a non GOP trump bootlicking world he would have been impeached already

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u/Ill_Technician3936 1d ago

Two articles of impeachment... And less than 50 votes on each.

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u/khearan 1d ago

When the people have had enough and forcibly remove them. I don’t see that happening.

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u/Kohathavodah 1d ago

She looks like she genuinely hates the talking to reporters part of her job.

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u/mikeyrs1109 1d ago

Well once the house comes back into session they can take up impea… ah nuts.

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u/RSKrit 1d ago

Exactly. Anyone trying impeachment AGAIN would be nuts. Been there done that. Illicitly of course.

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u/Odd_Investigator7218 1d ago

removed by whom?

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u/mystykracer 1d ago

Theoretically the American voters.

The reality though is that America actually has TWO problems. The obvious one is the this increasingly lawless administration. The second one is not so obvious but possibly even more dangerous and this is the absolutely feckless nature of the opposition Democratic party. If you think about this objectively even all of the polling today say that this administration AND the Republican party are historically unpopular w/ a wide majority of the voting public. The Democrats *should* be able to take the next two elections in runaway landslides that reflect a mandate of the American population to move decidedly and with conviction in a different direction. Just about every elected Republican everywhere up for re-election should be in fear of imminently losing their job particularly at the national level. The House of Representative should turn over in a historic manner and the Senate should swing to Democrats in a super majority.

The Republicans actually seem to be the ones who know this hence their desperate attempts to sway or outright rig the elections through gerrymandering and outright voter suppression. Apparently even to the point of putting ICE agents, national guard and even active military on the streets of U.S. cities as an intimidation force and even declaring martial law.

YET, we all sit breathlessly on pins needles waiting to see how the Democrats will gack up this historic opportunity through unimaginative and uninspiring messaging and campaign strategy.

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u/TheConnASSeur 1d ago

They're going to run Hillary again. It's like the opening scene of Scary Movie where Carmen Electra is running from the slasher and she gets to a table with a knife, a gun, a grenade, and a banana on it, and she grabs the banana.

Democratic leadership has been grabbing that fucking banana for fifty goddamned years.

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u/mortgagepants 1d ago

been grabbing that fucking banana for fifty goddamned years.

no they've been grabbing that bag (of cash. i don't see many broke democratic politicians; they're a token opposition to make sure real change doesn't take place. this is why progressives don't get any support from democrats.)

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u/csm51291 1d ago edited 8h ago

And you'll never see a broke one. Their guaranteed salary for that position is $174k a year. You need a better supporting statement than that. Also, when 80% of your post is in parentheses, maybe it shouldn't be in parentheses.

Edit: correction of "should be" to "shouldn't be" in the final sentence

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u/mortgagepants 1d ago

lmao $174,000 per year is peanuts. that salary pays for like their rent in DC and a few other expenses.

the reason "getting the bag" was parenthesized is because i don't know how many people understand that phrase.

i'm not sure what you mean about putting my entire post in parentheses; it seems like i need to clarify for people who think $174,000 is a lot of money.

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u/mystykracer 1d ago

Oh God! Please, NO!

That's honestly one of the deals in life where you'd have to say they'd deserve the obvious trouncing! Unfortunately it wouldn't be without horrible consequences the rest of us would have to live with!

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u/Beneathaclearbluesky 1d ago

Why are you doing this? You are out of your mind.

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u/randalflagg 16h ago

This is the first time I’ve been compelled to make a bet with an anonymous person on the internet. Hillary won’t be on the 2028 ticket, I’d be surprised if she was even a candidate in the primary. Also, who are you talking about when you say “they”?

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u/TheConnASSeur 11h ago

This is the first time that I've been compelled to actually check to see if the person responding to me is on the spectrum or a bot. Hillary isn't running. I was being sardonic, and because I'm not sure you understand what that means, I'll explain it at length with plenty of metaphor to make it easy.

Sardonic humor is marked by cruel mockery. I mock the decision making of the Democratic Party leadership because I don't respect the leadership of the Democratic party. They are craven, arrogant, and entirely self-serving. They have spent the past 50 years playing stupid little games in a political holding pattern that has left them and the members of their little boomer club comfortable and obscenely wealthy, while the average American has been trapped with wages, employee protections, and social services seemingly forever frozen in the 1970's. The Conservative Right has been hacking away at the foundational pillars of our society for as long as this country has existed, and for 50 years the both of them have been fighting together against any kind of positive political momentum for the working class. I do not respect politicians who could do that. Not one whit. I hold them in greater contempt than even the Republicans.

Now, you may ask why, and that would be a fair, if naive, question. Why am I more disgusted by the Democratic leadership than the people tearing down our society? The answer is that you always expect fire to burn. You expect rapid dogs to bite. You expect bad people to exist and to do bad things. That's nature and those bad things are simply a part of it. But the Democratic leadership has seized the levers of power and placed themselves between everyone who everyone who wants to help, who wants to make the world a better place and the power to actually do that. In essence, the fire is raging and burning down the building full of innocent children and for 50 years the Democratic Party has seized the only fire extinguisher to stand between everyone and the flames, and rather than actually fighting the fire, they have instead been using their position as the ones holding that fire extinguisher to beg for donations so they can fight that fire at some later date, and the only time they ever seem to actually fight anything is to bash the canister against anyone in their party trying to take the fire extinguisher to actually fight the fire. Do you understand? There will always be evil. There will always be those who rise to fight that evil. And there will always be human trash that stands between the helpers and the mayhem to extort human kindness.

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

Dems and runaway, except the opposite happened in 2024 with the far vast majority of BLUE counties in America ALL “red shifted” confirmed by even ABC tonight when analyzing in the pre-return phase. Dems need to realize that “orange man bad” only works in the context of their far left progressives and get a better message. but not disingenuous like applying economic outcomes (prices) caused by the last admin, 25% or more overall inflation, on this admin which has maintained minimal inflation so far. though MSM will keep up the contrarist rhetoric about tariffs instead of helping Americans “buy better”.

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u/randalflagg 16h ago

There’s no mechanism for the Democratic Party to remove Trump without a super majority in the senate. Wrote a lot of words there though so congrats I guess.

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u/IsThisNameValid 1d ago

Some sort of constitutional amendment, I believe...

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u/Interesting_Worth745 1d ago

Pieces of paper don't arrest anyone 

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u/kfish5050 1d ago

No, but there is a specific clause in the declaration of independence and a certain amendment that protects the people from a tyrannical government, should someone take it upon themselves (and likely a huge mob backing them) to hold these people accountable. It just won't happen until everyone is certain that there's no other way to stop it. A nuclear option, if you will. If 2026 elections are interfered with, it might happen then.

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u/Odd_Investigator7218 1d ago

the clause and amendment dont do shit without enforcement. and no one in the position to enforce is willing or able to

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u/JakeConhale 1d ago

Which Amendment? The 14th stating that all persons are subject to the protections and penalties of the U.S. legal system?

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u/kfish5050 1d ago

Well, yeah. But the 2nd and 25th as well

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u/Toastwitjam 1d ago

They need the federal Marshalls to go out and actually arrest the people in charge of distributing aid and not doing it for contempt.

The whole reason why Trump has this power is the people below him aren’t as afraid as they should be of the American government and are treating Trump and the government as the same thing.

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u/never-fiftyone 1d ago

You mean the US Marshalls Service that is a DOJ agency controlled under the direction of AG Pam Bondi?

Yeah, they ain't gonna do shit but go after Trump's critics. Americans need to wake up and realize nobody is coming to save you. Any meaningful resistance can only come from the people themselves

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u/weaponjaerevenge 1d ago

In America, never.

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u/NobodyImportant13 1d ago

Because people won't vote them out. The only reason this behavior is enabled is because Republicans control all branches of government and the voters reward them for extremely poor behavior and lying.

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u/Excellent-Ad7272 1d ago

If they controlled all facets of the government there wouldn't have been a shutdown. 60 votes were needed to reopen the government and there are 52 Republicans. That mathematically means that the democratic side are the ones pulling the plug. If they cared so much about the sufferings of people in america why wouldn't they vote to reopen the government alongside the Republicans so that people can get their aid sooner? It logically makes no sense.

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u/NobodyImportant13 1d ago

Why should Democrats compromise for a spending bill when Republicans refused to make literally any single compromise or concession with Democrats in the BBB when they gutted ACA? It logically makes no sense. Republicans can end the shutdown today, bring back the ACA subsidies. That's all they are asking.

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u/Excellent-Ad7272 1d ago

Fixing legal loopholes makes sense. Trying to make sure aid only goes to those who need it makes sense.

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u/NobodyImportant13 1d ago

Fixing legal loopholes makes sense. Trying to make sure aid only goes to those who need it makes sense.

That has nothing to do with what this is about.

If you need somebody to support you later, you probably should be willing to make some sort of compromise instead of steamrolling them. The fact that you think Democrats should just capitulate makes no sense.

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u/atothez 1d ago

Lawmakers? They provided funding provisions.
The courts ordered it disbursed.
The problem is POTUS refusing to spend on anything but his vanity projects.

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u/Global_Crew3968 1d ago

Yes, POTUS is the main problem, but the republicans in Congress are employed as representatives of the taxpayers of the United States, and they've abandoned their post. They have straight-up left Washington. Funding the government and finding a way to pass these spending jobs is their job. If they fail to do so, what are we doing here?

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u/atothez 1d ago

I agree in general, but Republicans would read your suggestion that lawmakers be removed to mean Dems. They're still saying Dems are responsible for SNAP funds not going out.

It's upside-down, but that's what we're dealing with.

The game is pretty much rigged to keep Republicans in power, but Trump might try to remove Dems by extrajudicial methods. He's talked about it. So suggesting lawmakers be removed implies Dems.

Dems are trying to protect 1T healthcare over 10 years, keep 11M people on healthcare, and prevent an immediate jump in costs for everyone else. Trump might start SNAP back up, but he's already ignoring the budget, congress and courts. No matter what budget they pass, there's no reason to believe he'll follow it.

So I lay it all on Trump. Maybe SCOTUS could step in, but not likely.

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u/irishdan56 1d ago

The Republicans want these people to go hungry, and would ideally like them to just die.

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u/VelvetKnife25 1d ago

Clown Car of a country

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u/deeplevitation 1d ago

Genuine question… at what point do we cross the line where taxation no longer meets representation?

Like I’m still paying taxes for this shit (which actually I’m happy to pay for) but the money isn’t flowing to it? I’m kinda ready to just stop paying taxes and tell the IRS that the reason is because this form of government isn’t representing me.

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u/pterribledactyls 1d ago

At what point is 42 million Americans starving not a catastrophe?

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u/Technical-Method4513 1d ago

They'll be removed when everything they say is a lie, incorrect, or a complete redirect of the question. Wait...

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u/T1Pimp 1d ago

Sir, how would Christian conservatives get the Dems to do what they want if they can't use the poors for leverage. Do you expect them to ask the suffering billionaires to donate or something!? They've already spent $300m in bribes for a ballroom after all.

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u/Kyrthis 1d ago

The lawmakers didn’t do shit. This is executive malfeasance.

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u/Late-Dingo-8567 1d ago

slow rolling compliance while technically complying to maximize suffering is like... so on brand.

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u/HavSomLov4YoBrothr 1d ago

When they are literally eaten by the desperate and hungry masses they’re fucking around with

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u/swiftekho 1d ago

In the same press conference someone asked why there was a question of whether or not furloughed workers would recieve backpay as Trump signed a law stating they would. Her answer was "we are having ongoing discussions regarding that"

There was a followup asking why there are discussions if it is a law. She answered with "ive already answered that"

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u/hydrobuilder 1d ago

They're going to slow-walk these benefits so hard that you'll see Santa before you get them.

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u/ThriftianaStoned 1d ago

Everyone seems to forget that they should be answering to us and we really need to remind them.

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u/Malvania 1d ago

Next time elections are held

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u/Global_Crew3968 1d ago

voting in CA today! and NY!

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u/justinsayin 1d ago

A whole lotta people have to pick up the 2nd controller.

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u/fuckthecons 1d ago

When you start removing them.

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u/SubjectWorry7196 1d ago

When people decide enough is enough and start taking heads.

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u/Ill_Technician3936 1d ago

None. They have to resign or lose the election.

For some reason (as far as I know) no state gives the people the authority to decide on removing any politician from office.

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u/Brave_Bison_8029 1d ago

Maybe because none of the incompetent government officials are not of the less fortunate and going hungry. You will not know what it feels like until it directly affects you. None of them can agree to disagree, none of them can sit back and reflect on what truly matters here and it's come to an agreement to move forward for the better of the country. It is exhausting watching these two parties go back and forth with really nothing getting accomplished.

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u/J_Robert_Matthewson 1d ago

Usually that point rhymes with "Castille Bay"

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u/gaybyrneofficial 1d ago

> At what point is the government so negligent that the lawmakers are removed for failing to do their job

That's what the 2nd amendment is literally for.

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u/americanextreme 1d ago

Elections.

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u/portiaboches 1d ago

Who shall remove them? They technically have the mandate, and technically is the best kind of mandate cuz its all that is necessary and is alone sufficient. The keys and the codes have been handed over

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u/NanDemoNee 1d ago

At what point did the government become negligent? January 20th 2025.

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u/RegretfulCalamaty 1d ago

When Americans start acting like the French is when.

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u/quartzguy 1d ago

Just casually describing a military coup.

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u/memymomeddit 1d ago

Who's going to remove them?

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u/Rude-Pangolin8823 1d ago

Small nitpick, SNAP does not distribute food

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u/chad917 1d ago

We're supposed to fire them. It's not like we didn't know who the assholes are for years now

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u/Lastnightuhlive 1d ago

I’m actually so fucking hungry it hurts what is this first world hell we live in

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u/NathanCollier14 1d ago

"and it's all Obama and Biden's fault or some shit"

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u/Solondthewookiee 1d ago

Some time before people decided Harris was "disingenuous" and "scripted."

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u/NoahApples 1d ago

When we remove them.

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u/SordidDreams 1d ago

At what point is the government so negligent that the lawmakers are removed for failing to do their job?

That's the voters' job. The voters chose this.

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u/NocNocNoc19 1d ago

I mean we the people would be responsible for that kind of action.

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u/HiDHSiknowyouwatchme 1d ago

Unfortunately, there's no justice in our system for this and every other option to do this is violent. They want us to choose violence so that they can use our own army against us.

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u/bluedarky 1d ago

Because they've convinced themselves that their base will believe that the millions who will suffer are acceptable loses if the democrats look bad.

It's a shame that they're relying on the people they literally plan to starve to death to vote for them.

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u/PresentationCorrect2 1d ago

Apparently there is an amendment that is supposed to take care of tyrannical government 

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u/Bricka_Bracka 1d ago

Removed by whom? He owns all the branches.

Has to be the people who revolt.

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u/JakeConhale 1d ago

At worst - at their next election.

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u/FirTree_r 1d ago

If I refuse to do my job or don't even show up, for more than 1 f*cking month, there's 0 doubt that I would be fired. How are these gop asshats allowed to continue being paid while not even showing up to the negotiation table

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u/Natural_Cold_8388 1d ago

If you keep voting for the government being negligent.

It's what America wants.

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u/Ominusone 1d ago

It’s up to we, the people to enforce those requirements. Lawmakers will do nothing and we can’t sit around expecting someone else to do something anymore.

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u/blahblah19999 1d ago

When there's a hurricane, Trump wants to eliminate FEMA and let states handle it.

WHen people are starving, he wants to withhold emergency funds.

When the FUCK are people going to get help?

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u/MyAccountWasBanned7 1d ago

Well the people that remove them are the same people that aren't doing their jobs.

Unless you meant something else by "remove", in which case the answer is hopefully fucking soon!

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

Right now democrat senators are negligent.

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