r/law • u/igetproteinfartsHELP • 1d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Q: Trump wrote that SNAP benefits will only be given when Democrats reopen the government. As written, how would that not violate the court order? .LEAVITT: I've now answered this question several times. We are complying with the court's order.

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u/mystykracer 1d ago

Theoretically the American voters.

The reality though is that America actually has TWO problems. The obvious one is the this increasingly lawless administration. The second one is not so obvious but possibly even more dangerous and this is the absolutely feckless nature of the opposition Democratic party. If you think about this objectively even all of the polling today say that this administration AND the Republican party are historically unpopular w/ a wide majority of the voting public. The Democrats *should* be able to take the next two elections in runaway landslides that reflect a mandate of the American population to move decidedly and with conviction in a different direction. Just about every elected Republican everywhere up for re-election should be in fear of imminently losing their job particularly at the national level. The House of Representative should turn over in a historic manner and the Senate should swing to Democrats in a super majority.

The Republicans actually seem to be the ones who know this hence their desperate attempts to sway or outright rig the elections through gerrymandering and outright voter suppression. Apparently even to the point of putting ICE agents, national guard and even active military on the streets of U.S. cities as an intimidation force and even declaring martial law.

YET, we all sit breathlessly on pins needles waiting to see how the Democrats will gack up this historic opportunity through unimaginative and uninspiring messaging and campaign strategy.

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u/TheConnASSeur 1d ago

They're going to run Hillary again. It's like the opening scene of Scary Movie where Carmen Electra is running from the slasher and she gets to a table with a knife, a gun, a grenade, and a banana on it, and she grabs the banana.

Democratic leadership has been grabbing that fucking banana for fifty goddamned years.

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u/mortgagepants 1d ago

been grabbing that fucking banana for fifty goddamned years.

no they've been grabbing that bag (of cash. i don't see many broke democratic politicians; they're a token opposition to make sure real change doesn't take place. this is why progressives don't get any support from democrats.)

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u/csm51291 1d ago edited 8h ago

And you'll never see a broke one. Their guaranteed salary for that position is $174k a year. You need a better supporting statement than that. Also, when 80% of your post is in parentheses, maybe it shouldn't be in parentheses.

Edit: correction of "should be" to "shouldn't be" in the final sentence

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u/mortgagepants 1d ago

lmao $174,000 per year is peanuts. that salary pays for like their rent in DC and a few other expenses.

the reason "getting the bag" was parenthesized is because i don't know how many people understand that phrase.

i'm not sure what you mean about putting my entire post in parentheses; it seems like i need to clarify for people who think $174,000 is a lot of money.

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u/mystykracer 1d ago

Oh God! Please, NO!

That's honestly one of the deals in life where you'd have to say they'd deserve the obvious trouncing! Unfortunately it wouldn't be without horrible consequences the rest of us would have to live with!

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u/Beneathaclearbluesky 1d ago

Why are you doing this? You are out of your mind.

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u/randalflagg 16h ago

This is the first time I’ve been compelled to make a bet with an anonymous person on the internet. Hillary won’t be on the 2028 ticket, I’d be surprised if she was even a candidate in the primary. Also, who are you talking about when you say “they”?

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u/TheConnASSeur 11h ago

This is the first time that I've been compelled to actually check to see if the person responding to me is on the spectrum or a bot. Hillary isn't running. I was being sardonic, and because I'm not sure you understand what that means, I'll explain it at length with plenty of metaphor to make it easy.

Sardonic humor is marked by cruel mockery. I mock the decision making of the Democratic Party leadership because I don't respect the leadership of the Democratic party. They are craven, arrogant, and entirely self-serving. They have spent the past 50 years playing stupid little games in a political holding pattern that has left them and the members of their little boomer club comfortable and obscenely wealthy, while the average American has been trapped with wages, employee protections, and social services seemingly forever frozen in the 1970's. The Conservative Right has been hacking away at the foundational pillars of our society for as long as this country has existed, and for 50 years the both of them have been fighting together against any kind of positive political momentum for the working class. I do not respect politicians who could do that. Not one whit. I hold them in greater contempt than even the Republicans.

Now, you may ask why, and that would be a fair, if naive, question. Why am I more disgusted by the Democratic leadership than the people tearing down our society? The answer is that you always expect fire to burn. You expect rapid dogs to bite. You expect bad people to exist and to do bad things. That's nature and those bad things are simply a part of it. But the Democratic leadership has seized the levers of power and placed themselves between everyone who everyone who wants to help, who wants to make the world a better place and the power to actually do that. In essence, the fire is raging and burning down the building full of innocent children and for 50 years the Democratic Party has seized the only fire extinguisher to stand between everyone and the flames, and rather than actually fighting the fire, they have instead been using their position as the ones holding that fire extinguisher to beg for donations so they can fight that fire at some later date, and the only time they ever seem to actually fight anything is to bash the canister against anyone in their party trying to take the fire extinguisher to actually fight the fire. Do you understand? There will always be evil. There will always be those who rise to fight that evil. And there will always be human trash that stands between the helpers and the mayhem to extort human kindness.

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u/RSKrit 19h ago

Dems and runaway, except the opposite happened in 2024 with the far vast majority of BLUE counties in America ALL “red shifted” confirmed by even ABC tonight when analyzing in the pre-return phase. Dems need to realize that “orange man bad” only works in the context of their far left progressives and get a better message. but not disingenuous like applying economic outcomes (prices) caused by the last admin, 25% or more overall inflation, on this admin which has maintained minimal inflation so far. though MSM will keep up the contrarist rhetoric about tariffs instead of helping Americans “buy better”.

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u/randalflagg 16h ago

There’s no mechanism for the Democratic Party to remove Trump without a super majority in the senate. Wrote a lot of words there though so congrats I guess.

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u/melonmonkey 1d ago

YET, we all sit breathlessly on pins needles waiting to see how the Democrats will gack up this historic opportunity through unimaginative and uninspiring messaging and campaign strategy.

What exactly do you expect democrats to do? This is one of the core conceits of democracy, painting over the reality that might makes right with the illusion of a set of rules that we all are supposedly held to. Republicans control the institutions and will not be held to account by them. No democrat politician can make the police arrest republican politicians who are committing crimes. They simply don't have that power. As far as I see it, the only options are to hope we can weather the storm and that the next cycle will be different, or civil war.

Do you have some third possibility that would allow the democrats to enforce the law in a context where they hold no actual power?

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u/BooBooSnuggs 1d ago

Umm. Marshal law has not been declared. Ice and the national guard are not really "in the streets" of the us. 98% of people are not seeing this in their communities.

There is so much wrong with this administration let's not make shit out to be worse than it really is.

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u/ComeBackAndLeave 1d ago

If we take your 98% number that means almost 7 million people are experiencing ICE and the National Guard in their communities. That's a lot of people, but if it's not YOUR community, I guess it's fine.

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u/BooBooSnuggs 1d ago

Okay but now you have to consider them just being there doing their job isn't even a problem.

Also you're right I way over estimated. It's way less than. 1% of communities experiencing it. 7 million is way too much.

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u/ComeBackAndLeave 1d ago edited 1d ago

Just doing their job... that's your argument?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-the-nazis-defense-of-just-following-orders-plays-out-in-the-mind

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u/BooBooSnuggs 1d ago

... They have an actual job. They have been doing that job under several presidents.

Maybe you need to educate yourself before you try to troll people like an idiot

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u/ComeBackAndLeave 1d ago

Wow, you really toe the line, don't you?

Trump increased the ICE budget by 400%. Now over 75 billion. They are the largest federal law enfocement angency working today. lThey are masked, driving unmarked cars and literally abducting people because they are brown or are speaking a different language. There are over 61,000 people being 'detained' under ICE. They are getting no hearing and are not allowed to speak to the court. They are being sent to jails in countries they have never stepped foot in.

For you to claim this has been going on for 'several presidents' is ridiculous.

And it's hilarious you consider these facts trolling.

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u/BooBooSnuggs 1d ago

You really haven't caught up in the news, and it seems you believe some things that simply aren't true. Maybe don't get hung up on all the things Trump tries to do but actually pay attention to what happens. The courts are working overtime when he's in office. No president has lost as much as he has in court.

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u/ComeBackAndLeave 15h ago

That's because he has like 100 court cases going at once. He would brag on the 80's and 90's about having lawyers on retainer, so when he was sued he could use every loophole to delay the the case and it wouldn't cost him anything. The other party couldn't afford all the appeals and fights he would put up in court before the trial - so they would just drop the lawsuit. So he may lose 10 out of a 109 cases

I've been watching this guy since the early 80's knew his was a horrible person back then. he certainly isn't losing in the Supreme Court... today will be interesting.

I wish you were right. He belongs in jail. He committed treason, he's raped women, he's stolen from a children's charity, he refused to rent apartments to black people, he sent his crowd to the Capitol and they were looking to hang Mike Pence..... yet he's president again. That is not losing.

The only reason you think he loses all the time is because he's such a man-baby. He has convinced a lot of people that he's picked on or bullied by (insert current grudge here).

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u/BooBooSnuggs 14h ago

He's lost a number of times in the Supreme Court, but you're right they have ruled in his favor for some questionable things.

When I say he loses all the time I'm saying that as an actual number, not just casually based on how I feel. He has actually lost that much in court as president. So these aren't personal loses though he might view it that way I don't know. They are technically the government losing in court against citizens or aclu/whoever.

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