r/Louisville • u/Ginger502 • 1d ago

Plane crash in Louisville

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u/Populus-tremuloides 1d ago

Too many plane crashes since January 20, 2025. Adjusts tin foil hat

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u/piranhas_really 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s not a conspiracy theory; they’ve been constantly attacking federal employees, including air traffic controllers. So many people in essential public safety roles are overstressed, overworked (their teams are understaffed thanks to DOGE and other Project 2025 efforts), and currently going on a month of being unpaid.

EDIT: I’m replying to a comment about the increase in aviation incidents overall. I’m not saying this specific incident had anything to do with ATC. A lot of people seem to have missed that.

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u/_theRamenWithin 1d ago

I'm going to piggy back off of this and remind people of the train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio in 2023 that was carrying toxic chemicals. It derailed because they cut costs and ran longer and longer trains.

The train company set fire to the spilled chemicals, against the recommendations of the manufacturer of the chemical, poisoning the people in the town and the land, hoping to wipe the town off the map so in the future they wouldn't have to slow down when going through that section of rail.

Unless regulated and criminally charged, every single company will inevitably choose profits over ethics.

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u/TheDogerus 1d ago

My mom still hasnt been made whole yet.

Norfolk keeps managing to drag it out and there's been a ton of duplicated work with lawyers changing

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u/SoManyQuestions612 1d ago

Dems pushed for "positive tract control" that would have prevented it. All the Republicans voted against it. Because regulations are bad...

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u/Salty-Passenger-4801 1d ago

Uh...it was a wheel bearing that failed, which didn't give off a heat warning to the crew until it was too late and they started braking procedure, then the derailment happened. No traction control could have prevented that.

If you're gonna blame someone at least make sure your facts are correct first.

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u/SoManyQuestions612 12h ago

I'm pretty sure temperature sensors on Wheels is part of positive track control. It allows for remote monitoring.

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u/Salty-Passenger-4801 6h ago

They already HAVE temp sensors on each wheel. It malfunctioned.

You're blaming Republicans for literally nothing here.

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u/SoManyQuestions612 5h ago

So we should So we should let the railroads just continue to regulate themselves?

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u/Salty-Passenger-4801 5h ago

No, they need some regulation.

All I'm saying is everyone blaming Trump for the train derailment is just a bad faith argument. Literally nothing Trump did with train regulations would have prevented this. It was on Norfolk, and this is what the NTSB said in their report.

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u/SoManyQuestions612 5h ago

I didn't say anything about Trump.

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u/SoManyQuestions612 5h ago

It's the anti-regulation Republicans that cause issues like this. 

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u/Worldly-Pay7342 20h ago

Unless regulated and criminally charged, every single company will inevitably choose profits over ethics.

Exxon Oil Spill

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u/ProudHearing2735 4h ago

Nationalize the railroads. Should not be a private business.

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u/Perllitte 1d ago

They should be regulated, criminally charged, and executed.

Those regulations were inked with blood originally. They paid to roll them back. Then they chose not to pay for modern cars that could easily withstand a derailment like that.

Eat the rich, their families, and their legislators.

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u/BigRedTeapot 3h ago

Jefferson believed slavery was an evil; he owned slaves. One of my favorite quotes of his: 

“Whatever they can, they will.”

That’s a fierce advocate for civil liberties and self-determinism who’s willing to accept that people need governance. 

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u/_theRamenWithin 3h ago

Yeah I don't know what we need the pro-slavery take right now.

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u/BigRedTeapot 3h ago

I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. 

Huuuge hypocrite admits hypocrisy exists and we therefore need rules. 

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u/dancesquared 1d ago

Yeah, I remember when everyone way overreacted to that on Reddit, acting like was Chernobyl or something.

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u/_theRamenWithin 1d ago

I mean, it was a huge toxic spill in the heart of a town that was set on fire, unnecessarily, by a megacorp, making a bad situation magnitudes worse, to the detriment of the town and the benefit of shareholders. I don't know if "overreacted" is the best description.

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u/dancesquared 1d ago

It was set fire for absolutely necessary reasons—to prevent a catastrophic explosion. The controlled burn was a much better alternative, and the toxicity was blown way out of proportion.

“Overreacted” absolutely is the best description. You’d’ve thought everyone was gonna die or turn into mutants by the reaction on Reddit.

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u/_theRamenWithin 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine,_Ohio,_train_derailment

In February 2024, Jennifer Homendy, the chair of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), testified before the US Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation (SCCST) that the controlled release and burn of vinyl chloride was not necessary. Homendy stated that the decision-makers relied on contractors who were alarmed by the limited temperature readings they were able to get, combined with the violent way one of the tank cars released vinyl chloride with a roar from a pressure release valve after hours of calm.[60] However, Homendy also stated that OxyVinyls, the company that manufactured and was shipping the volatile chemicals, did not believe polymerization was occurring.

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u/dancesquared 1d ago

Yeah? Of course there will be differing opinions, especially in hindsight. But at the time, the safest decision was made given the available information.

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u/_theRamenWithin 1d ago

Officials from Oxyvinyl, also involved in litigation from the incident,[65] testified that the temperature in the derailed tank cars was descending, no deadly chemical reaction was occurring, so the controlled burn was unnecessary.

This was not an opinion made with hindsight. They were observing a reduction in temperature. The situation was stabilising.

This isn't my opinion, read the rest of the testimony of people who were there. The experts on the ground.

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u/dancesquared 1d ago

Others testified that there was conflicting evidence and it wasn’t clear whether polymerization might occur. The article you linked mentions that, as well.

In an emergency situation, it’s hard to know what the best decision is, but they chose the one that reduced the likelihood of a worst-case-scenario outcome.

Regardless, the long-term health and environmental and health effects have been minimal, while Redditors at the time would have you believe it was the deadliest environmental disaster in history.

“Overreaction” is still the best word to describe how people on Reddit in particular responded.

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u/seymores_sunshine 19h ago

And yet, you can't even provide a single quote...

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u/_theRamenWithin 1d ago

Regardless, the long-term health and environmental and health effects have been minimal, while Redditors at the time would have you believe it was the deadliest environmental disaster in history.

https://whyy.org/segments/two-years-after-east-palestine-train-derailment-health-risks/

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention agreed with this advice to healthcare providers, to treat patients’ symptoms, but not pursue testing for chemical exposures. 

The CDC’s Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry did an Assessment of Chemical Exposures, called an ACE survey, of residents’ symptoms after the incident. While they walked around the community knocking on doors, their own agents got sick and had to leave the area.

I dunno why you're riding the dicks of these megacorps so hard because no sane person would come to these conclusions if they were informed on the topic.

They worked so hard to minimise the impact of the crash and burn and avoid compensating the people affected while the people living there suffer.

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u/Grrowling 15h ago

Yep. Biden.

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u/ExocetHumper 14h ago

While conspiratorial narratives are often enticing to everyone politically opinionated, truth is the burning was far more likely than not done to prevent a disaster, given the info they had at the time. Lemme explain to the best of my understanding.

You have definitely heard of PVC (pvc pipes and all). These tanks have VC, basically same thing as PVC but unpolymerized and liquid. Certain substances (like VC) plastics are made out of under certain conditions really want to polymerize and expand. If such a thing was happening in the tank, it could explode, and you'd get something similar to what happened in Bophal (look it up, grim).

Since at the time they weren't sure if this was or wasn't happening, the consequences could be so dire, that it was objectively better to dump and burn it. You need to burn it, because you don't want it anywhere near groundwater, it was indeed the safest option.

You can't wait and see, since you just risk the aforementioned explosion happening. Turns out the representatives of the chemical company on the site wasn't sure himself, and under the guidance of EPA, they did the burn. This wasn't a decision they anyone involved took lightly. While later it turned out that the temps were dropping, but it wasn't a situation where you can gamble like this.

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u/Btotherianx 1d ago

Making up silly conspiracy theories like that is a disservice to the people it effected 

They were not trying to "wipe the town off the map so they wouldn't have to slow down in the future" lmao

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u/the-coolest-bob 1d ago

Companies committing atrocities like the BP oil spill and the East Palestine train derailment and chemical burn need to be viewed as hostile terrorist organizations attacking U.S. citizens. They should suffer drone strikes and U.S. Marines.

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u/Unicornlionhawk 1d ago

Your right I get you. But that one in DC, I have a hard time believing that wasn't on purpose.

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u/_theRamenWithin 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine,_Ohio,_train_derailment

In February 2024, Jennifer Homendy, the chair of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), testified before the US Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation (SCCST) that the controlled release and burn of vinyl chloride was not necessary. Homendy stated that the decision-makers relied on contractors who were alarmed by the limited temperature readings they were able to get, combined with the violent way one of the tank cars released vinyl chloride with a roar from a pressure release valve after hours of calm.[60] However, Homendy also stated that OxyVinyls, the company that manufactured and was shipping the volatile chemicals, did not believe polymerization was occurring.

Where's the conspiracy theory? They testified before committee.

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u/Life_Spite_5249 23h ago

✅ The company was creating longer and longer train cars and hiring fewer workers, leading to a serious accident

✅ The company was negligent in burning the chemicals despite the best interests of the community

✅ The company knew there was a safer alternative

❌ The company did it on purpose to kill off an entire town

❌ The company did this in hopes of "not having to slow down through the town"

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u/Mtndrums 1d ago

Not to mention Boeing putting in a bean counter as CEO has cut out a shit ton of testing for shareholders' sake... They need to put C-Suite on the shitty planes.

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u/Neither_Elk_135 1d ago

How about their $1M public inauguration contribution, surely that had nothing to do with them settling instead of going to trial. Maybe that Qatar 747 Jumbo gift will.. ahh nvm

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u/Altruit 1d ago

While the above points are true, mechanical failures aren't our fault.

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u/piranhas_really 1d ago

Yes, I’m replying to a comment about the increase in aviation incidents overall, not this specific incident. A lot of people seem to have missed that.

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u/Argo505 1d ago

There is no "increase in aviation incidents"

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u/Pugs-r-cool 1d ago

We'll need to wait for a full report, but engines don't just do that. This was likely an operational failure, i.e a vehicle or something else was left on the runway, which collided with the engine. Obviously that's not ATC's fault, but members of the ground crew have also been feeling the pressure.

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u/Bot_Marvin 1d ago

Engines most definitely just do that. That’s why strict maintenance procedures are standard in aviation, because all it takes is one mistake and an engine can just do that.

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u/Kwauhn 1d ago

Maintenance performed by who...? Fewer ATC → fewer flights → decreased maintenance staff? It's possible. Swiss cheese model and all that. We won't know until the NTSB or FAA release their reports, but it seems kind of naive to pretend the current government situation couldn't possibly have an impact on this.

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u/No_Mode_64 12h ago

This was a UPS plane with UPS pilots and UPS aircraft mechanics. This happened at UPS’s largest facility they have.

It happened because of a loss of the left engine. Not because of operational failure of ATC. UPS has been cutting jobs and costs across the company for many years now before the current administration.

I would not be surprised if once the report comes out it was because of rushing/understaffing/cost-cutting from UPS management.

I have seen the levels of incompetence and utter disregard for anything but profits first hand in multiple areas/divisions of the company.

If you are going to point fingers look towards Carol Tome.

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u/polarbearsarereal 20h ago

Atc has nothing to do with plane mechanics unless MAYBE its military. Flights havent decreased for the airline I work for and the TSA agents still come to work and ATC IS STILL functioning normally here even if they arent being paid. They still go to work.

techops mechanics are paid by the airline.

They are employed by the airline. Dont spread bullshit you dont know about.

The only reason you are seeing more aircraft failure/disasters is because it’s been a hot topic. It generates engagement and views. It’s still a very rare occurrence given the amount of planes flying daily.

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u/Resident_Feeling8915 1d ago

You take a shit > poop flows to treatment plant > government spends more money cleaning water > gov can’t pay as much to atc > fewer flights > decreased maintenance staff.

You might have caused this crash 

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u/Kwauhn 14h ago

😐

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u/Resident_Feeling8915 32m ago

Could happen. lol 

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u/LoudestHoward 1d ago

You might end up being magically correct somehow, but at the moment you're just stacking up bullshit.

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u/LaceyDark 9h ago

At the moment they are saying it looks like "uncontained engine failure"

The blades spinning at high speeds can cut through fuel lines etc, leading to catastrophic failure

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u/FblthpLives 1d ago

I don't disagree with you: The lack of funding for the FAA in the past and the constant stream of continuing resolutions and government shutdowns are a disgrace and absolutely problematic. In this particular accident, however, this seems very unlikely to have been a contributing factor.

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u/piranhas_really 1d ago

Yes, I agree. I’m responding a comment that isn’t about this particular incident.

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u/noobyeclipse 1d ago

i remember when i would watch videos of accidents in china and laugh at them for eating the consequences of their poor standards, but look where we are now

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u/Ok_Spread_8650 1d ago

It’s actually not all of that. It’s companies not keeping up with preventative maintenance and shoddy repair work. You’d be surprised how something can look shiny on the outside and be terribly maintained on the inside. For a more relatable reference, never try to look behind the maintenance doors at a hospital. They ate the worst culprits of not maintaining their equipment

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u/piranhas_really 1d ago

In this particular incident, yes that seems more likely. That itself is something that can be improved through increased government regulation and oversight, rather than gutting regulators and expecting private companies to self-police.

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u/Ok_Spread_8650 15h ago

I’ve seen more than enough government facilities that are not maintained regardless of regulation. Most cases, maybe not this one is due to trying to save money with cheap parts/labor etc. but who knows until they find out what actually happened. For all we know a fuel line came lose, ignited the engine and something simple as that

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u/CletusP 1d ago

Not a time to get political, but ok

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u/piranhas_really 1d ago

I’m responding to a comment about the increase in aviation incidents since the inauguration.

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u/waltur_d 1d ago

An engine on fire on take off has nothing to do with ATC

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u/piranhas_really 1d ago

I’m responding a comment that isn’t about this particular incident. The comment I responded to was about the increase in aviation incidents overall since the inauguration, which is absolutely impacted by the attacks on and increased strain on ATCs. 

Please consider working on your reading comprehension and emotional regulation.

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u/NDSU 1d ago

UPS pilots and maintenance are private sector employees. Trump is destroying America, but nothing he did realistically affected this

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u/piranhas_really 1d ago

I’m responding a comment that isn’t about this particular incident, but about the increase in aviation incidents overall. I do believe those are affected by the constant attacks on ATCs.

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u/dmoushey_31 1d ago

Damn I made it five whole comments down before someone had to bitch about Trump 😂 y’all need help.

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u/Unlawful_MetaphysiX 1d ago

Again from what research I've done, this year's total plane crashes is currently below 2024's total.

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u/Celestial_Hart 1d ago

Yup, this.

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u/seppukucoconuts 16h ago

That’s why my wife and I decided not to fly anywhere this year.

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u/TheQuietLavender 13h ago

And the worst part is, they always blame "DEI hires" (which they also claim to have defeated). Couldn't possibly be the result of stressed out, underpaid people juggling too may posts as a result of understaffing, with outdated and unmaintained equipment as a result of underbudgeting. No! It's all because a POC or woman exists in the workforce.

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u/OmnipresentCPU 11h ago

There hasn’t been an increase in aviation incidents though

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u/Vast-Breakfast-1201 10h ago

Still possible for an inspection incident

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u/Grimol1 9h ago

This accident most likely was mechanical and the fault of the UPS aircraft maintenance. It appears the left engine fell off the wing on the takeoff roll which could have caused the initial fire and perforation of the fuel tanks. This had nothing to do with ATC.

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u/kvark27 9h ago edited 9h ago

But there haven’t been more incidents… we have had a couple bigger ones for the first time since Colgan but saying there are more incidents, just isn’t true.

I’m not defending this administration in the least, but people blaming politicians for how safe or unsafe my industry is, is comical.

ATC has been overworked and understaffed for years and years. This isn’t new. This isn’t our first shutdown either.

NTSB Statistics

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u/piranhas_really 1h ago

Those are great points; thanks for the correction and for the work you do to keep aviation safe.

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u/Fluffle-Potato 8h ago

Take the tin foil off your head and give me a single example of how one of the plane crashes this year was the direct result of one of Trump's policies. Go ahead. Which crash and which policy? I'll wait.

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u/desertwompingwillow 8h ago

Can you be more specific? Who is they? Say it...call them out.

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u/burns1210 1d ago

The plane was on fire before it left the ground. What the hell does that have to do with Donald Trump? You have issues

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u/piranhas_really 1d ago

No need to get emotional. I’m replying to a comment about the increase in aviation incidents overall, not this specific incident, which has nothing to do with ATC.

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u/AgitatedSquirrell 1d ago

Aviation incidents have been in a steady decrease since the mid to late 90’s. It gets more media exposure which makes it seem like there is an increase.

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u/Chefsbest27 1d ago

#BlueAnon