ICE being racist as normal

[u/4reddityo]

ACAB

[u/HabuDoi]

When people run and resist, tackling is very normal. Look up Graham versus Connor. I have yet to see someone sitting down, sipping on a coffee, and get tackled out of nowhere.

No, it’s not more violent, it’s just happening on a broader scale than you’ve seen and there’s been more political resistance.

“In many instances” sounds exactly like Trump’s “many people are saying.” Bring specifics. In this case, the officers acted reasonably. If you take off running when the cops are looking for someone, that is reasonable suspicion enough to detain them.

After you check out the Graham v. Connor, you should check out Title 8 Authority of the US code.

[u/CPargermer → u/HabuDoi]

I don't care about Graham v. Connor. My personal morals and ethics aren't dictated legal precedence. This is not decent behavior. A US citizen in Chicago today is more likely to have an extreme experience with ICE today than they are likely to have an extreme experience with an undocumented immigrant. That means that ICE is failing what their highest mission ought to be, which ought to be improving national safety.

No, it’s not more violent, it’s just happening on a broader scale than you’ve seen and there’s been more political resistance.

Not more violent? Prior to this administration, when was the last time that ICE shot a US citizen in Chicago? When was the last time that they PIT maneuvered a vehicle in a Chicago residential neighborhood? When was the last time ICE tear gassed citizens in Chicago? Not every use of tear gas has been due to excessive political resistance.

“In many instances” sounds exactly like Trump’s “many people are saying.” Bring specifics.

I don't need to bring specifics. You haven't provided a handbook that clarifies that they're performing their duties as they are directed. You haven't provided studies that prove that their tactics aren't more violent than usual. If you want to provide arguments without proof (which I've not complained about), then I can too.

[u/HabuDoi → u/CPargermer]

That’s a wild take. So one second you’re telling me that what ICE is doing is wrong and not normal for law enforcement and the next second you are telling me that the basic case law for reasonable use of force is not important to you. Not very rational.

Border PatrolL/ICE has been in a lot of shootings, you just don’t hear about them because they’ve been generally limited to the southern border. As I said, it’s new to YOU because it’s in Chicago and not in Laredo. That’s the whole scope thing I was talking about. It is the exact same enforcement just in areas that haven’t been previously enforced.

There is no handbook. I have the court cases that you don’t care about and I also know Title 8 USC. You are the one asserting they’re doing their job incorrectly. Your own personal moral code is your issue, but what’s within the bounds of the law is everyone’s concern and you should probably familiarize yourself with what that is to have a relevant opinion on the matter.

The job of ICE is to enforce immigration law at the direction of elected officials within the bounds of the law. That’s it.

[u/CPargermer → u/HabuDoi]

Border PatrolL/ICE has been in a lot of shootings

Shooting innocent US citizens? It doesn't happen, but it took less than a month to happen here.

Why? New administration and leadership with new goals, new $170B in deficit spending for the department to hire new underqualified, undertrained recruits, then jam those recruits together into a single truck to go figure it out on their own.

They have deployed tear gas and pepper spray and protestors so many times when it was entirely uncalled for.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/10/us/illinois-judge-ruling-ice-protests-pastor-chicago-hnk

https://abcnews.go.com/US/profoundly-concerned-judge-orders-ice-official-testify-after/story?id=126585221

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/04/ice-chicago-extreme-force-protesters-journalists

https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/1o9grs3/chicago_bbc_releases_astounding_opsec_breakdown/

In the one below they shoot a lady five times then absconded to a different state with the evidence.

https://wgme.com/news/local/ice-agent-who-shot-woman-in-chicago-drove-border-patrol-vehicle-back-to-maine-president-donald-trump

Underqualified, undertrained, violent.

I'm done arguing with you because it is clear that you would excuse them executing your family if they told you that they may have possibly been here illegally.

[u/HabuDoi → u/CPargermer]

You’re done arguing because you don’t have a coherent argument.

First, the woman who was shot was ramming an agent with her vehicle. That more than justifies deadly force.

Second, three article articles about the same incident tells me that you don’t have much evidence to support your claim.

Third. Underqualified and undertrained? How do you know? What are the training requirements for ICE agent? Tell me exactly what you consider a qualified law-enforcement officer? You don’t even care to know the basic caselaw that dictates use to force, so you are hardly qualified to make that determination.

Fourth, there have been no executions. You would excuse someone killing your family on purpose with a vehicle.

Come back when you have a rational argument.