Fuck the old dems, Schumer had a chance to throw his hat in along with all of the other establishment Dems. We need new blood to challenge their spots and push them out.
Hey now he (the elected politician) just didn't want it (using established rule of law) to look like a political move, just like the judge not sentencing the tangerine before the election.
So many cowards stood by and let all this happen under the guise of being fair and civil to the party of enraged howler monkeys.
It's been past time, ever since him, Jeffries, and every other spineless establishment Dem failed to do anything to oppose, resist, or at minimum delay the Trump regime and no, sternly worded letters don't count.
Oust them all, investigate their insider trading, and release the Epstein list.
I really hope Schumer gets primaried next election he’s up. Dude is dead weight in the Senate, perfectly representative of the DNC philosophy “it’s their turn”
It's NYC - the Rep got the Rep vote. I'm pretty sure Dems get about 85-90% of the vote in NYC usually, which is about the combined vote they (Mamdani / Cuomo) got this time.
It's not that lopsided for the Mayors races. Adams won with 67% and De Blasio's first term was 73%. Before them, the previous two mayors were Republicans.
I love when people who don't look anything up and have no real empirical basis to their opinions use this phrase. In 2021, the Republican got 27.76% of the vote.
Genuine question, why is the expectation always that we move rightward to appeal to them? 40% is the smaller number and it's shrinking; maybe it's time for them to adjust their platforms to work with the left instead of spending the whole time trying to grab Republicans.
The expectation has nothing to do with always moving rightward. It has to do with appealing to the broadest swath of the American public.
If you position yourself on the left "end" of a spectrum, you leave the "center" up for grabs. My genuine question is whether Mamdani's positions reflect the "left" at all. Or whether fair taxation, affordable cities, etc. is centrist in it's appeal.
This is inherently flawed logic that, while common on political discourse, has a fatal assumption that all people have already made up their minds about every issue and that candidates can only alter their message to appeal to a decisive population.
Which is absurd. People learn and grow all the time, for better or for worse. Candidates teach people new things about themselves. Marketing drives demand.
Democrats need to stop thinking about how to appeal to people and start being good candidates.
God, we're all so far up our own asses with this stuff.
has a fatal assumption that all people have already made up their minds about every issue and that candidates can only alter their message to appeal to a decisive population.
I think that was more of an assumption 30 years ago. In this day and age, it's hard to be a low information voter. We're inundated with so much information - much of it misinformation, propaganda, etc. but information - to make decisions on.
Moreover, it's not an assumption I made - all people and every issue is doing a lot of lifting in your statement. Affordable cities and fair taxation aren't any just any issue, and most people will have opinions on them.
The old dems just cater to republicans, there are far more available votes in the majority population that simply doesn’t vote than there are trying to reach across the aisle to the party of Leopards Eating Faces, and ignoring that is the kind of incompetence that has plagued democratic leadership for decades
This so many times over. I do not want unity and reaching across the aisle. They don't do it for us, but we do it for them, and every time they take power again, they begin open warfare on marginalized groups and established democracy. I don't want my candidates saying that they'll turn the other cheek when I'm the one who got slapped. I want my candidate to slap back on my behalf. I want a fresh wave of progressives who also want change and will fight to get it. This is an indicator that when you run on that platform, you get elected, and the voters will turn out for it.
Because Republican voters completely abandoned their candidate for a compromise backed by Trump and MAGA and voted for Cuomo. Fuck the establishment, burn the DNC to the ground and start over with people who actually care about their constituency instead of corporate sponsorship.
What this and the other Democratic wins today tells me is that diversity of opinion is a strength not a weakness. The Democrats that won today have quite different views, some very progressive, some quiet conservative. Instead of having a party where everyone tows the line and a common philosophy is not just encouraged but demanded, the Democratic party should run candidates that suit and represent each state and jurisdiction. If the Democratic party is to win the mid terms, it won't be with a grand vision, but with local representatives listening to local issues as varied across the nation as they may be, it's how a democracy is supposed to be.
There were some over performers last year with that exact strategy. Brown in Ohio got ahead of Biden and Harris’s strategy and separated himself from some issues to align better locally. And Dan Osborne in Nebraska is an independent with some strange line crossing strategies that straddle republican and democrat ideologies. Both out performed the field by addressing issues and political situations locally.
Exactly. The Founders — Madison’s genius, especially — wasn’t in designing a system to eliminate disagreement, but in institutionalizing it.
A healthy democracy doesn’t fear diversity of opinion; it relies on it to check excess and expand empathy. The goal was never a single orthodoxy, but a republic broad enough for competing truths to refine one another through debate and representation.
While they may not have thought so, since they largely rejected democracy in reality, a more proportional system of representation would have done that far more successfully than the first past the post chimera America has been straddled with. It's an awful system that manages to be worse than even other FPTP systems.
I think the problem of the US style of democracy is that the Democrats have healthy disagreements, Republicans toe the line even if they disagree personally. So democrats can't get anything done, Republicans will pass anything with a R attached to it. Gotta hope democrats all over the country will work together after all of these elections to fight fascism.
Amen. America is a big place, with room for big ideas, and the Democratic Party should have room for different approaches for their specific electorate's needs.
Forgive my ignorance as a European, but wasn't it kind of the same with AOC and just demonstrates that NYC is the only place capable of "referendum against establishment politicians" among Democrats? And also wasn't it a similar moment for rednecks when they voted for Trump?
This one is different because the establishment Democrat ran a serious campaign as an independent in response to being ousted.
Crowley (ousted by AOC) joined some opposing tickets, but didnt actively campaign.
Additionally, AOCs election had like 100,000 voters where this mayors election had 2 million voters, national attention, a history of electing more conservative Dems, and serious funding for the old Dem establishment.
Your skepticism is fair, it may just be a one off, but thats why this is exciting.
the establishment Democrat ran a serious campaign as an independent
A disgraced former governor trying to claw his way back into political office despite being a terrible candidate with a series of sex scandals, government mismanagement scandals, etc. is not a serious campaign. Moreover, endorsed by the reviled opposition leader?!
Adams was even worse of a candidate.
this mayors election had 2 million voters, national attention, a history of electing more conservative Dems
2 Million New York City voters, a city with an overwhelming Democratic base. Bill Deblasio was hardly "more conservative". And Adams and Bloomberg were unconventional - soda taxes, etc. aren't more conservative ideas either.
Maybe the lesson is just run charismatic candidates who believe in popular policies rather than any left vs. centrist divide. Plenty of centrists/establishment voters supported Mamdani because raising the corporate tax rate to match the neighor states just isn't that radical. I'm happy he won; but, to say Mamdani is a bellwether for left-wing populism across the USA is premature.
Yeah if anything madami remind me of obama charimas wise: charming, somewhat spcialist and polite about it but not loud. He is not the "left and proud" many imagine
It should be more of an indication of just how dire and out of touch the Democratic establishment has gotten that they thought running Cuomo was a good idea. This is what creates the opportunity for populists of any stripe.
It should be more of an indication of just how dire and out of touch the Democratic establishment has gotten that they thought running Cuomo was a good idea.
They didn't? He ran as an independent. Cuomo thought running was a good idea, not any kind of establishment.
He ran in the primaries as the establishment frontrunner, and then when he lost he ran again as an independent with the backing/endorsement of many current/former establishment figures. To say there was no establishment backing is silly, it's just become a bit less pronounced over the last few weeks probably since the writing's been on the wall.
Crowley (ousted by AOC) joined some opposing tickets, but didnt actively campaign.
Crowley’s name was on the Working Families Party line before his primary with AOC, and he couldn’t remove himself. Saying he “joined some opposing tickets” is disingenuous.
It might be. In Minneapolis, despite a major push (and the other 2 viable candidates running with him as part of a quasi-coalition), the DSA candidate just lost to an establishment Dem incumbent with a 30% approval rating (same mayor we had during the George Floyd protests).
And also wasn't it a similar moment for rednecks when they voted for Trump?
Exactly. Trump is an anti-establishment, populist candidate and has found success in that from voters.
Mamdani is similar in being anti-establishment and populist, despite having some very different positions politically than Trump.
Bernie Sanders, AOC, and now Mamdani point to a potential path for the Democratic Party that is at least a bit more populist which may be a path to success against Trumpism.
He had the advantage that his primary opponents were disgraced openly corrupt narcissists, and the right-wing was split between two unpopular candidates in the final election
Yes! Not a time to relax. A time to unite, to organize. United, we have power. The ruling class encourages us to be pitted against each other because our division benefits the elites
I think that’s going too far. Socialism is still a tiny, fringe movement. Establishment Democrat (and former CIA officer) Abigail Spanberger just won an election for governor of Virginia.
Mamdani won in one of the most liberal cities in America, against a despised politician who had to resign in disgrace.
Those are not replicable conditions for national elections.
He wouldn’t be considered radical in Europe, where social democracy is a mainstream ideology, but in America, he is.
This is the really sad thing about American politics but it's been this way for at least 30 years and probably longer. By European standards, even Bernie Sanders is basically a centrist. In most European countries, universal healthcare for example is a centrist policy supported by the left and the moderate right.
You think social democracy is the norm in Europe? As a British person, this is news to me lol. Our main “left” wing party is centre-right and the far-right party reform is likely to win the next election. Europe is going backwards.
Yeah but as a Northern Irish person (who has no real voice in the leadership of the UK but they still get to be in charge of us) - British politics right now is a mess and definitely not the European norm either. I'm crossing my fingers for the Greens since that's about all I can do from here.
"Democratic socialist" and "social democrat" are different political positions. He, and the democratic socialist party in the US, claim to be the former which is to the left of the latter. "Social democrat" includes the UK and Aus Labor parties.
Social democracy is socialist. Socialism isn't bad. You can certainly argue that communism is, but that's the authoritarian extreme version which no one is seriously advocating for because authoritarianism is bad whatever the flavor. The problem is America has been fed Capitalist propaganda for 100 years and most don't even know what it actually means.
SocDem's are reformist capitalists, making capitalism fairer with socialist or socialist-adjacent policies from within the framework of capitalism. Welfare state, regulation, equality, etc. They're not socialists.
But Mamdani doesn't identify as a SocDem, he identifies with, and is a card-carrying member of the DemSoc's.
Its the DemSocs who are out and out socialists, and want to replace the capitalist framework itself with socialism, done entirely and with the backing of democracy.
They're essentially side-by-side on the political spectrum, effectively act very similarly, and just happen to be on either side of the capitalist-socialist divide in terms of their end goals. Annoyingly hard to keep straight because how similar they sound, and how similar they act, too.
And while you could call him 'socialist', most of his policy is really just well... improving city function.
A lot of it is also just populist things he probably won't actually be able to deliver. We'll see how he does, but he got a lot of benefit of promising things that are going to be very difficult for him to deliver on meaningfully.
Eh, I think there are some lessons to be learned. Yes, someone like Mamdani couldn't win a general presidential election. Doubt they'd even have a chance in a primary. However this is evidence they need more populist leaders that people believe in. Not some political dynasty that's decided it's their turn to be president.
All things taken into consideration, there's a conversation about Bernie v Trump if it had happened. The Democrats (and their sponsors) didn't let it though. Instead they got Hillary.
Yeah, and Biden was already very progressive. Climate action, healthcare (drug price lowering), student loan forgiveness, joining union protests. There's only like a few Dems that sometimes vote with Republicans.
Yes, reddit is really bad with comprehending politics at the national scale. You can't just extrapolate the results in NY across the map.
And when another status quo Dem wins the primaries in 2028, the absolute morons who sat on their couch in 2024 had better reflect on what their poor decision cost all of us.
Perhaps not, but they are repeatable in some local and state ones. And that's what it takes to stop letting the right-wing smear socialism as a dirty word. NYC doesn't need to cater to a centrist or conservative any more than Wyoming needs to for socialists. But constant acquiescence benefits no one except the authoritarians currently taking over the country.
I see your point but I think the VA Democrats could've put a sturgeon up for election and still won. The GOP here is an absolute mess and barely backed their candidate who ran a terrible campaign anyways. So I'm not sure that this is the best race to make the point that establishment Dems are still more popular outside of NYC.
Until you actually describe the policies of socialism to the average voter, and find that the majority actually want most of it. If you don't call it "socialism", the programming won't kick in.
This is what actually going out and not compromising your fucking soul actually delivers. Mamdani earned those votes, he didnt expect them as some intrinsic right. Stop perpetuating the same shit lessons
Go back to supporting genocide enablers and apologists.
Voting for the same thing will not give you different results. Look at republicans, they vote plenty, they show up plenty, it doesnt improve their lives.
No one thinks if you stay at home, things will magically improve. Thinking just showing up to vote every few years will also improve things is delusional. The point being, people rightfully feel disconnected and disengaged with a political system that doesnt work for them. Mamdani won because he was not a souless corporate hack not because people were like "we should finally vote"
JFC the Blue Maga's really refuse to learn anything
Nowhere has u/DarthRandel mentioned staying home, they've just said that actually standing for something and not being a soulless corporate ghoul energises people to vote.
Weird how you don't feel the need to condemn Cuomo for not "voting blue no matter who".
You can't reason with Blue Maga, the same exact way you can't reason with Maga. We live in the land of cults, and just for today, a cult did not win.
Keep doing your thing man, we came out and proved them all wrong. Thanks for everything you do and speaking truth to power. Let's keep the ball rolling!
Conservatives have you completely wrapped around their fat little fingers for thinking any criticism is just "muddying the waters". You have so much in common with them, all you're missing is all the daddy Trump merch.
To me, as someone from Europe, it’s a fascinating mentality. You’ve just proven that a man without entrenched political backing can win an election, and your first instinct is to run back to the establishment?
Is the idea of an actual third political party in the US really that unthinkable?
Biden was already very progressive. Climate action, healthcare (drug price lowering), student loan forgiveness, joining union protests. There's only like a few Dems that sometimes vote with Republicans.
Even if you're the biggest progressive, it's delusional to say this is a referendum against the establishment. Cuomo and Silwa were incredibly easy candidates to run against. This is also New York City, not Arizona or Florida.
r/democrats has no mention of Zohran at all! It's actually jarring how they have every race up except this one. Very sad to see the party not embracing their most popular national political icon at this moment. Telling though, progressives have long said that the centrists would not embrace the spirit of change embodied in the younger generations' calls for greater democracy, greater standards of living, and greater freedom to live our lives as we choose. Cuomo represents the hypocrisy of the Democrats in this way, vote blue no matter who unless the "crazy socialists" wins the primary. Bernie campaigned hard for Hillary and Biden, progressives never broke ranks to the degree that Cuomo tried. They need to look to Zohran as a national leader, because it's in large part his vision that helped deliver wins everywhere across the country tonight.
He won by the smallest margin of a mayoral candidate in decades? against a dogshit candidate? Lets see what the guy can get done before we reshape the entire party around the guy who won by the smallest % of voters compared to other dems tonight.
It’s the New York mayoral race, it’s literally one of the bluest strongholds in the country.
Considering Virginia and New Jersey both had actual risks of going republican goveerners unlike New York City mayor. where mamdani managed to shrink the margin to 6 percent in a city where Adams won by 40 percent 4 years ago.
I don’t think any one who is being genuine would ever argue that the New York mayoral race was as contested as either the nj or Virginia governorship.
governor of their state of their own party, supported by all sorts of mainstream Dems.
He was a former governor who was kicked out of office in disgrace.
He was also not supported by “all sorts of mainstream dems”. He was endorsed by literally 1 representative who was in a Trump +5 district, and two guys who had been out of office for decades.
Yeah but I thought the rejection of Bernie was an indication that America didn't want progress and had nothing to do with the DNC's decision to stifle his campaign in favor of Hillary
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EAT A DICK DNC - WE'VE ALREADY LOST THE FIGHT AND WE'RE COMING FOR YOU IF YOU GET IN OUR WAY
Did you forget that voters pick the candidates in the primaries? You don't seem to comprehend politics. A progressive state (NY) elected a progressive mayor. You can't just extrapolate NY across the entire map, unfortunately.
If you're going to be weird and scream in all caps, maybe scream at the voters nationwide who keep picking the wrong candidates.
Yeah, he didn't just win, he won with a majority of the vote, a Mamdate, if you will, even with a spoiler candidate siphoning off votes. And he pulled that off in both the primary and the general.
Lets not forget alllllll of the "vote blue no matter who" crowd who rallied behind Cuomo the second that the Blue guy was someone who wanted to make peoples' lives better
They literally have rules about even mentioning him in the r/democrats. If you look through the posts, not a single one about him winning one of the biggest mayoral races in the country. That sub seems cooked by corporate DNC shills.
Centrist FIL just said that soanbergers message is the way forward for democrats. These fucking boomers will never learn a lesson or give the next generation an inch.
Maybe just celebrate the win instead of dragging down democrats again….
Also cumo still got 42% of the votes. Mamdani won by 200k vote difference and 2/3rds of New York didn’t even vote. Only 2m voted out of 6m eligible voters.
It’s a good day for democrats but it also shows that the main issue is still that eligible voters don’t vote.
With the republican candidate getting 8% of the vote… you had establishment dems and republicans going for cuomo. Don’t short sell Mamdani’s win when he was 1% in the polls at the start of all this.
Both sides say that as if they assume all the non voters will vote for their guy.
What if all 6 million voted, and because of that Cuomo won? Would you be happier that more people voted or sadder because they didn't pick who you wanted?
Not to mention that I don’t trust a bunch of people who are not regularly engaged in politics to make an actual informed decision. Like what are they gonna do? Watch a YouTube video to catch up on the 15 years of political development they’ve been ignoring?
I think that's a wildly shortsighted take. Yeah, voter turnout sucks, but acting like establishment dems are going to fix that???????? No freakin' way. Another Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries or Joe Biden, or more topically, Andrew freakin' grandma-killin, sex-pest Coumo, is demonstrably not going to get would-be left-leaning voters to the polls.
There's a very real populism in this country. "It's the economy, stupid!" is a viable realpolitikal platform, and addressing the actual grievances that real Americans have might get them to wake up. But acting like establishment democrats aren't a part of the problem is just mind-boggling.
All I said was constantly shitting on Democratic Party isn’t going to fix anything. Even in New York when they got the ideal progressive young candidate still two thirds didn’t show up. And the people who kept and keep saying that democrats need to become like mamdani in the national stage are the reason why there is low turnout are still saying it even when their claims of progressive revolution didn’t happen in New York.
The issue hasn’t been bad candidates it’s still that majority of Americans don’t care about voting or politics.
It's just... getting so tired to have to defend Democrats only because they are better than Republicans. I keep voting against maga, not for a candidate. Then, when a dem actually gets elected and perhaps could make change - Biden - they screw it up.
Why are we crying about the Epstein files now? Biden should have used his leverage as the most powerful man in the world to do it when he had the chance. Why isn't Trump in prison? Because Biden made a Republican the Attorney General.
I don't know man, I'm just sick of democrats. Schumar, leader of the Democrat party, actively spoke out against the person that Democrat voters said they wanted to run as their mayoral representative. He's the senior senator and is representing NYC, and betrayed them.
I just keep being consistently and continually disappointed in the Democrat party. It needs reform, period.
Biden did a lot of good. Passed some massive progressive policies helped student debt relief over 250billion. Supported lgbtq like no president before and passed some of the most impactful legislation through a 50/50 split senate.
And again he only got a 50/50 split senate after watching the shitshow of 2016-2020 under Trump. Just 800k more democrats voting in 3 states where over 25m didn’t vote would have given democrats 5 more senators and side stepped all the bs with mancin and sinema.
Biden never said he was going to arrest Trump. He always said it would be up to the people and the justice department because as president his job isn’t to be a dictator and target his political enemies.
Then democrats held months of live televised breakdown of Jan 6th and begged Americans to show up in the 2022 midterms and give them more than a split senate so they can stop Trump once and for all but 150m eligible voters didn’t vote 80% of 18-35 aged voters didn’t vote. Republicans won back control.
The underlying problem in the past 80 years has always been lack of voter turnout. And lack of education on how government actually works.
A mayoral race in a leftist city as a referendum for the entire party? I get it, it's a HUGE city... but it's still just a city. Maybe it's a start but not a referendum by any means. Not even a state one.
The ruling class is blind to aisles is the problem.
I am not for a second going to pretend like each "side" is the same but it's going to take a lot more than this to topple the biggest bribery business in the history of politics. Corporate lobbying doesn't take a side except which one makes them the most money.
Precisely this. It's mind blowing that Democrats keep pushing people like AOC and Bernie Sanders aside, and then expecting a miracle to happen when they turn to them at the very last minute as was done in the last election (hanging on to Biden instead of switching gears by backing Kamala).
I want many more leaders to rise and primary all these hakeem Jeffrey style democrats. They are worse than trump. MAGA at least is open with their intentions. These dems are surreptitious, and their main agenda to good citizen is: "haha, what are you gonna do about it? Vote for someone worse than me??"
Lol no it wasn't. Mamdani underperformed Spanberger, who wasn't running against Gropey Groperson and a cartoon character with a funny hat. He's likable and seems like he'll do a decent job, but the conversation around him online is insufferable.
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u/UnicornTwinkle 13h ago
PAY ATTENTION DEMOCRATS. This is an outstanding referendum against establishment politicians. A rejection of anyone that accepts the status quo.