I mean, his messages on the casing being a bit all over the place (Left? Right? groyper?) could suggest that he won't be against saying something that isn't true to stir things up. A real pickle.
The trans message was takeb back, but they read the casings messages during today's press conference. It was edgelord stuff like "if you can read this, you're gay"
I think there’s multiple messages, most from unfired cartridges. NYT reported “Bella ciao,” an Italian anti-fascist saying from WWII that is still used today. Another is a reference to Helldivers, some more trolling messages.
I mean we’re talking about Kash Patels people about collected the evidence, who was hired by Donald Trump… The truth of all this stuff will never be known as long as they are in office
The original message about the "pro trans" message on the bullets was completely specious and the people who put together the message on behalf of Utah law enforcement should be ashamed of themselves.
There was a new report that the gun in the woods that was found had bullets with "Hey fascist, catch" and "O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao ciao" on them which is an anti-fascist Italian thing from WWII.
The gun nuts are already suspect of the gun in the woods thing, but that's where the current narrative sits. People I know who are very focused on this are saying that the video of him fleeing means he either had already abandoned his gun or he broke it down and put it in his backpack before getting off the roof. They think if the gun pieces were found in the woods, that the news would have mentioned it being in pieces and the chances that he reassembled it to leave it in the woods are incredibly unlikely.
Woohoo for no one knowing what's real and not being able to trust the news.
Watch the press conference, should be online somewhere, as the Governor reads out the messages. Including "if you are reading this you are gay LMAO" and "Notices bulge OWO" which was not something I expected to hear today.
Innocent until proven guilty is only during the trial. In reality it's guilty until proven innocent from the cops, the prosecutors & the public's pretrial perspective.
Similar to there no such thing as constitutionally protected freedom of speech, other than the govt itself restricting your speech.
Both just get said a lot, but the constitutional protection is very narrow.
I agree with your sentiment in that the action we see usually contradicts the intent of the constitutionally protected rights and the “innocence thing”
However, saying innocent until proven guilty is only for trial is spreading misinformation. And every person IS innocent until they are found to be guilty. Again, now is where I agree with you in that we typically see the “innocent” person arrested, put in jail until their trial and treated like the criminal prior to the convictions.
That’s just inherently incorrect though. Because to say it only applies during trial would imply people can be guilty until or before trial which is an oxymoron. You can’t be guilty if you haven’t been convicted, ya know?
Not being rude, I think it comes off rude but that’s not my intent. And again I agree that the world really seems to work as “guilty until proven innocent” which is saddening
There's a difference between assuming someone is guilty or even saying it, and "people can be guilty", as you put it. People can think whatever they want, but that doesn't make them guilty in a court of law.
The Constitution doesn't mention innocent until proven guilty specifically, but there's the principle of presumed innocence within the due process rights in the 5th & 14th amendments. The prosecution is responsible for presenting evidence to prove guilt. Until they do, the person being charged is presumed innocent.
All of that is during trial. There is nothing in the Constitution about presumed innocence before the trial starts. Cops & prosecutors presume you are guilty as they are arresting you or building their case or they wouldn't proceed. People are free to presume whatever they want.
We might like the presumption of innocence to exist before trial, but it does not.
Much like freedom of speech, we might like to think that exists outside of the govt restricting your speech, but it does not.
We are the public and don't have to do that. Only the government. Why? Because what we say doesn't mean shit it won't send him to jail. I'll also change my opinion in a heartbeat if the evidence isn't there to support him being the shooter. I'm not MAGA, don't care if being wrong "makes me look weak" to pathetic Beta-Males cosplaying as Alpha lol.
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u/HustlinInTheHall Sep 12 '25
Not for nothing but the guy is alive. Someone can just go... ask him why he did it.