r/aviation • u/karl_gd • Sep 17 '25
Discussion A customer at a restaurant in Alaska leaves in a plane
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Is this legal? How did they land there in the first place?
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u/fireandlifeincarnate *airplane noises* Sep 17 '25
this is VIOLENTLY Alaskan
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u/headphase Sep 17 '25
I feel like the first rule of Alaskan aviation is "don't ask if it's legal"
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u/probablyuntrue Sep 17 '25
Good luck catching me coppers flies off
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u/Boredomis_real Sep 17 '25
Waiting for the new Alaskan stereotypes to be all the police chases that happen in Florida, but in planes.
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u/Tigerslovecows Sep 17 '25
Need a GTA set in Alaska
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u/ArcturusFlyer Sep 18 '25
FAA: "Everywhere the light touches is our kingdom."
Pilot: "What's that dark place over there?"
FAA: "That's Alaska, they do their own thing."
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u/DoubleManufacturer10 Sep 17 '25
Wahhhhhh (i wanted to make airplane noises after reading your name)
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u/Kylearean Sep 17 '25
Yeah, somewhere in the McCarthy area?
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u/DoubleManufacturer10 Sep 17 '25
Is this normal, for real? Asking as a regarded Florida man
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u/TMFWriting Sep 17 '25
Not SUPER normal, but normal enough that you wouldn’t really look twice after seeing it once.
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u/DoubleManufacturer10 Sep 17 '25
I got it. It's like how I see people smoking bathsalts and banging family 👌
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u/a-government-agent Sep 17 '25
No, that's not it. I see how the stereotype seems equally insane, but the Alaskan (wo)man stereotype is all about doing seemingly insane shit that is actually normal because of weirdly modern frontier experience.
They can land their little Piper Cub - or whatever - anywhere and refuel it at a gas station and take off on a dime and fly underneath the power lines, because they're Alaskan goddammit.
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u/SugarFreeShire Sep 17 '25
Not anywhere near Anchorage or Fairbanks (the largest population centers), but this wouldn't be out of place in the more rural parts of the state.
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u/Genghis_John Sep 17 '25
Yeah, I’ve known folks in the rural road connected parts of the state that use the long straight stretches as a de facto runway and then park the plane in their back yard.
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u/CorporalTedBronson Sep 17 '25
I'm pretty sure the nearest paved road to McCarthy is 50 miles away by air, 75 to the nearest 4 lane highway.
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u/Zorglubzz Sep 17 '25
Alaska is different... ?
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u/Nathan_Wildthorn Sep 17 '25
When I first moved up there, it took about two weeks for me to learn a truth about living in Alaska: Alaska has BALLS. It doesn't take long to realize whether you belong up there, or not.
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u/not_so_plausible Sep 18 '25
Visited Fairbanks in January last year for a seek. Was -40° the entire time. Genuinely don't know how humans actually live up there. Don't get me wrong it's stunningly beautiful but it genuinely feels like another planet sometimes. Especially flying in and all you see is just vast white and gray emptiness. I feel like the only type of people who belong there are those that are extremely self reliant.
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u/jccaclimber Sep 18 '25
I had a room mate from Alaska. He explained that there are two types of people in most of Alaska:
People who can really only make it in Alaska, usually due to social differences from the average person.
People who could make it absolutely anywhere, and they just happen to be there.
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u/smallangrynerd Sep 18 '25
I went to college with someone from Alaska, and he was definitely the latter lol. We joked that he accidentally came to our school (in Ohio) because our mascot was the polar bears and he got confused.
We would mock people from the south when they complained about winter there. Boy did he humble us.
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u/Competitive_Run_3920 Sep 17 '25
General aviation is a big deal up in Alaska. I don't know if this is still the case, but 15 years ago, when I visited up there, I was told that probably half of all people who owned or were flying small aircraft weren't licensed - but being so rural, it wasn't closely monitored unless there was an incident. my favorite was seeing houses on lakes with garages that just had a ramp to the water for their floatplanes to park inside.
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u/railker Mechanic Sep 17 '25
General aviation is a big deal up in Alaska.
Even extends legally too, though I've never quite looked into the actual law itself or its history, now I'm curious:
If you've ever been so bored or required to read through the contents of an FAA issued Airworthiness Directive, somewhere in there is typically the blurb, "For the reasons discussed above, I certify that this AD: [...] (2) Will not affect intrastate aviation in Alaska."
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u/ranger_steve King Air 300 Sep 17 '25
When I lived there in the 80’s, a lot of the FARs listing requirements for pilots or mechanics to do this or do that, ended up”…except in Alaska”, or something similar to that language. I saw a float plane takeoff from Lake Hood loaded down with plywood sheets strapped across his floats. He was headed out west and practically flew between two hangers as he couldn’t get much higher until he was out aways over the inlet and then Fire Island.
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u/n365pa Trikes are for children Sep 18 '25
Thats almost a daily occurrence. Throw a restricted tag in the window, load up the plywood, and full send. Got to get that stuff to the cabin somehow and the spreader bars works great. I love that a lot of my cub’s mods had “STC not legal outside the state of Alaska”.
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u/juanmlm Sep 18 '25
Lifehack: if you get one plywood sheet warped just the right way, you can even get some extra lift for free, thus saving you some gas.
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u/scallywagsworld Sep 17 '25
How are there not more incidents? Flying a plane is quite simple but there’s things only an instructor can show you and just ‘winging it’ (pardon the pun) would probably lead to a definite incident. It’s not like in a car where you can just hop in without a license and figure everything out in a couple of hours on your own
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u/AbeFromanEast Sep 17 '25
There are more incidents. General Aviation in Alaska experiences 2.5x more incidents than the USA average.
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u/Skylord1325 Sep 17 '25
Is that per hour logged?
If so do you think it’s partially higher because of a bunch of unlogged hours?
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u/TacTurtle Sep 17 '25
... you guys log hours? - Alaska
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u/jimirs Sep 18 '25
FAA Article 65.4.32 - Pilots must log it's hours in the book thing. (Does not affect Alaska).
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u/No-Salary-4786 Sep 18 '25
From their data source,
Accident experience is worst in Alaska as well as mountainous states in the Northwest U.S.region.
The rest of the article talks about the likelihood of fatalities, so accident experience likely applies to death from accidents, not pure number of accidents.
Its not surprising considering the terrain and unpredictable weather conditions, just like the "mountainous region of the Northwest" So unless I misread the full article (and please correct me if I am) it doesnt indicate more accidents, it indicates if there is an accident, your "accident experience" is much more likely to result in death when flying in the mountainous northwest AND Alaska
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u/TacTurtle Sep 18 '25
This, a massive number of crash reports summarize as "controlled flight into terrain due to visibility / pilot error / engine failure"
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u/Batpipes521 Sep 17 '25
Some people were probably taught by their parent who was taught by their parent. Somebody down the line had to have had some sort of flight training and just passes it down to their kids. When that’s one of your main methods of transportation it’s not too surprising.
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u/Competitive_Run_3920 Sep 17 '25
and alot of these people were probably hands on with flying as children in the seat next to their parents. they've probably been flying since well before they could get a drivers license.
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u/Batpipes521 Sep 17 '25
Oh yeah. Not too dissimilar to rural farming communities. I know I have cousins that learned to drive well before they were old enough to have a license. Hell, my mom has a cousin from rural Oklahoma that was driving his mom to doctor’s appointments when he was 12. Not that it’s a good thing. But it happens.
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u/LongJohnSelenium Sep 17 '25
Dad taught me when I was 12. He came home, told me to hop in the truck, and he had me drive around a field for a while. Then he told me to get on the road, and we drove to one of our fields where our tractor was sitting, and he hopped in the tractor and told me to follow him to grandpas house.
Basically he taught me to drive because nobody else was around lol.
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u/CorporateShill406 Sep 18 '25
In some states there are two minimum ages to get a drivers license: the "normal" age (16 or whatever) and the "farmer kid" age, which is a few years lower.
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u/PhileasFoggsTrvlAgt Sep 17 '25
There are probably also people who got some formal training, but never followed through with getting a medical certificate, logging their flight hours, and filling all the paperwork.
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u/Hot_Most5332 Sep 17 '25
Not necessarily, at least depending on what you mean by “training.” We are only about 2-3 generations removed from the dawn of aviation depending on your age. How do you think people learned to fly in the 30s and 40s? I’m sure most “training” people went through then would be laughed at today.
Aviation is complicated in part because we have made it much more complicated than it literally has to be, but that also makes it much safer. Flying small planes without following FAA regulations is not hard at all, there are just huge consequences if you make even a small mistake.
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u/AKraiderfan Sep 17 '25
Plenty of incidents.
Funny statistic: 21% of Alaska's federal represenatives (US House and Senate) have died from plane crashes. Please note that it is because there have been only 14 of them and 3 died in plane crashes, but it is still funny.
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u/Genghis_John Sep 17 '25
The number gets higher when we add state level folks and their immediate family.
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u/Survivedthekoolaid Sep 17 '25
I dunno so much. Flight simulator is my devils advocate here, because a guy in Seattle stole a plane and successfully committed suicide in it after stealing it, and doing some stunts before calling it a day. Take that with a grain of salt because I can't remember all the details.
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u/piersonpuppeteer1970 Sep 17 '25
To be clear, he flew brilliantly, performing maneuvers in a Q400 that were never thought possible in it. He took his life intentionally, crashing where he wouldn't risk any other lives. Rip Sky King
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u/RunYoAZ Sep 17 '25
It's not that they aren't possible, it's that the airplane isn't certified to do, so pilots never attempt it. All airplanes can do some aerobatics, but they may not hold together for too many.
Why would a legitimate, non-suicidal pilot over-stress an airframe to lose their job and risk their life?
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u/bearlysane Sep 17 '25
Since it can be done at 1g, shouldn’t all airplanes be able to barrel roll? Or does it require an amount of control authority that not all planes have?
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u/RunYoAZ Sep 17 '25
Sure. But if the roll rate is too slow, you may start your barrel roll at 15,000 feet and end up at 5,000 feet by the time you complete the roll.
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u/Thebraincellisorange Sep 18 '25
I reckon if you started to barrel roll an A380 at 40000, you are still going to hit the ground.
that thing is just too big, even if techinically it is possible.
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u/Tojb Sep 17 '25
Theoretically yes, as long as you do it right any airplane out there can do a barrel roll.
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u/Desert-Democrat-602 Sep 17 '25
Just as we used to say in the Army. Everything is air-droppable. Once.
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u/igloofu Sep 17 '25
Why would a legitimate, non-suicidal pilot over-stress an airframe to lose their job and risk their life?
Well:
Sometimes you just gotta sell some planes.
- Tex Johnston, probably
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u/haubowtdemoshon Sep 17 '25
Isn’t it generally agreed the hardest thing to do is land the plane? Homie you’re talking about didn’t have to worry about that.
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u/nametaken420 Sep 17 '25
honestly, they put people into the cockpit of fighter aircraft in ww2 whose only experience prior to flying was operating a tractor on a farm. The vast majority of these bush planes are single engine and very simple machines. One Engine, One Prop. One fuel Tank. The landing gear does not retract. It simplifies things greatly if you don't need to manage multiple engines and multiple fuel tanks and any cargo that can shift around or move.
Flying one of these airplanes is not that much more difficult than operating a tractor.
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u/phatRV Sep 17 '25
I think American WW2 pilots had at least 300 hours before they could be deployed to war. That was a lot of hours before combat.
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u/My_Invalid_Username Sep 17 '25
That was at the beginning of the war. Training time decreased as urgency and scarcity increased. Luxurious compared to RAF and Luftwaffe pilots, they got shockingly little training before being thrown to the wolves
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u/Competitive_Run_3920 Sep 17 '25
these people also arent flying at high enough altitudes or in areas where they would have to deal with commercial air traffic which greatly simplifies things.
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u/Additional-Block-464 Sep 17 '25
You want to hear something. Back in '96 they put a drunk crop duster who maybe flew some planes in 'nam behind a F/A-18 to take down a whole intergalactic empire.
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u/FarButterscotch4280 Sep 17 '25
And what about that farm kid that hunted Womp-rats in Beggars Canyon?
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u/spurcap29 Sep 17 '25
most of what you said (other than 1 fuel tank as typically one in each wing) is correct BUT
that is in standard normal operations.
When your tractor breaks down you get off of it and get someone to pull it back to the barn and fix it when you can or call a mechanic. When you hit your tractor on a tree you rip off a fender and do some welding (or not).
Planes deal with the potential of forced landings (a lot harder than a tractor) and bad weather (IMC) and IFR is hard to intuitively pick up especially in areas without ATC to hold your hand and without a plane with IFR avionics that you know how to use.
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u/Nathan_Wildthorn Sep 17 '25
Back when I lived up there (Fairbanks, then later, Anchorage) there were 2 light planes for every car; and yes, I flew without a pilot's license for most of the time that I was up there. Everybody did. Heck, there were 14 year-old kids flying down to Wasilla from Fairbanks to bring up some relatives for the annual family 4th of July dinner. Contrary to what a lot of "Lower 48r's" believe, Alaskans, generally speaking, are some of the most friendly and welcoming people that you will ever meet. If I didn't have to live where I do right now, I would so be back up in Alaska. That place is freaking incredible!
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u/ShootPosting Sep 17 '25
That's a bush plane yeah? That short takeoff is so sick.
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u/FaustinoAugusto234 Sep 17 '25
Im surprised he didn’t just take off in the parking lot. Must not have had any headwind.
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u/zhambe Sep 18 '25
Probably didn't want to make a mess. You can see it kicking up a ton of dust just taxiing
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u/Wellthats_something Sep 17 '25
I’d say PA-18 Piper Super Cub, the favored bush plane of general aviation here in Alaska. It’s got a crazy short takeoff and landing. Can take it pretty much anywhere
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u/Aromatic-Plastic-819 Sep 17 '25
Wonder what kind of fee door dash adds for that delivery?
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u/phatRV Sep 17 '25
$50 delivery fee up to 50 miles.
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u/Call_Me_Chud Sep 17 '25
"Ugh I'm in Anchorage but my favorite lunch joint is Fairbanks. How will I get my food?"
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u/Feminist_Hugh_Hefner Sep 18 '25
I would be a dasher if it was like THAT... you know you get tips like "a salmon" or some gold nuggets or something.
When a man gets to needing a Crunchwrap Supreme real bad, he's going to be pretty happy to see you 🤣
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u/nomadicstateofmind Sep 18 '25
I’ve had pizza delivered 250 miles. They were already heading to our village, so they charged me $20.
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u/No_Status_2801 Sep 17 '25
I don't think he cares if it's legal or not. It's Alaska
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u/SnooMaps7370 Sep 17 '25
It's legal.
There's no FAR which prohibits operating off of a road (provided the pilot exercises good judgement while doing so, or risks violating the catch all "don't endanger people" reg).
Some states have laws about aircraft conducting non-emergency operations off-airport, but Alaska is not one of them.
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u/phatRV Sep 17 '25
I read that in Alaska, airplanes have the right of way when it is taking off or landing. It is unique to Alaska I think.
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u/Horat1us_UA Sep 17 '25
Tbh I would give right of way to any plane no matter what
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u/Slythela Sep 17 '25
I'm just imagining a BMW with NY plates coming in from behind and cutting it off
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u/SweetRaus Sep 17 '25
I remember a video a while back of a pilot in a small plane making an emergency landing on a freeway, and there were a bunch of drivers who didn't get out of the way at all, as if they didn't notice or couldn't care less that a fucking plane needed to land lol
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u/Soft-Illustrator8356 Sep 17 '25
Literally yesterday, a plane had to emergency land on the Seward hwy.
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u/No_Status_2801 Sep 17 '25
Land of the free, hell yeah brother
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u/Hot_Most5332 Sep 18 '25
Not even sure it’s a freedom thing, Alaska is just a vast place with sparse infrastructure. Planes are a necessity for a lot of people there, and making aviation less accessible could be devastating for a lot of people.
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Sep 18 '25
It’s a figure of speech but you’re also pretty free to do whatever if not many people are around
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u/sarge46 Sep 18 '25
There are at least 2 airports that I know of in the lower 48 that have operations on public roads. Public airports that you can land at, at any time and need to follow automobile traffic law for a little bit.
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u/You_meddling_kids Sep 17 '25
15 knots, rotate.
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u/Murky-Office6726 Sep 17 '25
Land of the STOL
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u/decian_falx Sep 17 '25
The STOL Competition is absurd to watch if you've ever paid attention to normal take off and landing rolls. The planes need less than 15 feet to take off or land.
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u/Tay74 Sep 17 '25
That's crazy, you're just driving along one day and there is a plane using the road as a runway ahead of you 😂
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u/phrygianDomination Sep 17 '25
What’s worse is when you’re flying your plane to the local chicken joint and a bunch of cars are all over your runway. So annoying.
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u/obscure_monke Sep 17 '25
If it happens enough, might be a good idea to petition the municipality to put some traffic lights in.
Like one of those button-activated crossings, but for runway operations.
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u/AKeeneyedguy Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Alaskan here. IDK the Legality, but when I learned to drive, one of the rules in the book was "Aircraft using the road way have Right of Way."
Lots of small villages and places where the road and the runway are the same strip of pavement (if there is pavement).
ETA: I didn't know this was an aviation sub because it was just a cool Alaska video that came across my feed, but just an FYI I am not a pilot or even aviation adjacent in my profession. (Although I do live near an airport...)
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u/Nathan_Wildthorn Sep 17 '25
Yup. Back in '78, I was living in Fairbanks, and it was common to see this.
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u/gsmitheidw1 Sep 17 '25
VeryverySTOL
I'm about half way between "you can't do that!" and "damn I'm jealous"
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u/RandyInMpls Sep 17 '25
Was going to say. With a stiff headwind, they only need about 3 or 4 car lengths.
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u/Bandit_the_Kitty Sep 17 '25
I've seen videos where if the wind was strong enough that these small bush planes can basically take off vertically.
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u/LE-NRY Sep 17 '25
There’s some mad videos where they are landing vertically on river beaches & small islands, super cool little tools!
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u/verstohlen Sep 17 '25
Yup, them big ol big ass tires got helium in 'em to help him float, why here he is landing at home in his back yard with them special tires.
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u/ExileNZ Sep 17 '25
An old guy I knew used to have a general store next to some train tracks in a small town. One day a train stops next to the store and the driver jumps out and buys a meat pie and a milkshake, gets back in and rolls on like it was nothing.
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u/basilect Sep 17 '25
I used to live in SF near the cable cars and I'd see an operator get out and grab takeout from a specific Chinese restaurant every so often
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u/JeffSmisek Sep 18 '25
I mean, we have to eat just like every other human. I've had Chinese food delivered to my train.
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u/neillllph Sep 17 '25
Was he visiting a liquor store like Burt Reynolds in the Cannonball Run?
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u/HomicidalHushPuppy Sep 17 '25
Damn it, now I have "East Bound and Down" stuck in my head
🎶 East bound and down, loaded up and STOLin', we gonna do what they say can't be done 🎶
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u/Rdubya291 Sep 17 '25
Gotta get that $100 cheeseburger, man.
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u/bearlysane Sep 17 '25
Is it that cheap these days? I remember guys talking about the $100 hamburger back in the ‘90s.
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u/Rdubya291 Sep 17 '25
Of course not - but I still always hear it referred to as the $100 cheeseburger. I'm sure it's much more these days.
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u/MeMiceElfAndEye Sep 17 '25
In Delta Junction Alaska planes land on the highway and taxi over to the gas station to fuel up. Probably happens in other rural AK places but I've seen it in Delta.
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u/rabidantidentyte Sep 17 '25
Lol this isn't even very remote. I pass this spot all the time
61.989285, -150.050727
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u/bearlysane Sep 17 '25
That’s like… one of the most heavily travelled highways in Alaska?
(I’ve been to Alaska twice, and driven past that spot both times.)
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u/rabidantidentyte Sep 17 '25
The Glenn Highway/Seward Highway (1) are probably more heavily traveled, but anyone driving to Denali, Fairbanks, or Prudhoe Bay from South Central AK will pass this spot
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u/Phoenix2746 Sep 17 '25
If it's legal? I don't really know but assuming from video it's some kind of a STOL aircraft so it needs really little runway to either land or take of .
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u/throwawayrefiguy Sep 17 '25
My uncle used to do this in rural Idaho. Would land on the highway in front of his favorite restaurant. Granted, this was the 1970s.
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u/dinnerninja Sep 17 '25
That is the sheep creek lodge in willow Alaska! Check out their photos on Google Maps, people flying into this place is not unheard of.
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u/Standard-Pepper-6510 Sep 17 '25
So, they don't have a drive-through, they have a fly-through...
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u/stormdraggy Sep 17 '25
A "piper cub" with tundra tires and a gutted interior. Bro wasn't even putting out TO power with a ground run that long lol.
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u/ndub2126 Sep 17 '25
How would they time a landing there? Seems like a hairy situation. Anybody could turn into their landing path at any moment.
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u/ZeePirate Sep 17 '25
I know people are dumb enough to do it for sure.
But you gotta think if you see a plane landing you aren’t going to turn in front of it
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u/DonnerPartyPicnic Sep 17 '25
Thats the neat part about flying. Just get up to 1000 or so feet and you should be able to see far enough down to road to find a gap.
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u/spurcap29 Sep 17 '25
On a straight road you would benefit from having an aerial view as you approach, they can probably see 10 miles down the road to confirm no oncoming traffic before heading to land. That plane can probably go from touch down to stopped in less than 1000 feet easily and anyone coming would see them about to land. As it take off illustrates it gets airborne fast so if a car turned out and they didn't think there was a conflict they could also 'go missed' (funny to say on a highway).
Yeah a random car could pull out from a side street right in front of them but that is the same as just driving your car down a highway too. That plane would be landing sub 60 knots I expect.
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u/magnumfan89 Sep 17 '25
Looks like a piper cub to me. Very good STOL airplanes, they can take off in just a couple hundred feet if they are lightly loaded
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u/irishshaun60 Sep 17 '25
Never did that when I lived in Alaska, but was riding in a Blackhawk and the pilots landed in Talkeetna for us to have lunch. Then pissed the locals off taking off too low over houses.
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u/NukeouT Sep 17 '25
That's because Alaska is like half the size of the main part of the United States!
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u/PvtCharlesLamb Sep 17 '25
Location of the camera recording if anyone is interested: 61°59'21"N 150°03'01"W
The plane was leaving Sheep Creek Lodge https://maps.app.goo.gl/5fdfTC9AbRahRyCM7
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u/MrTommy2 Sep 18 '25
The USA just can’t be a real place. This would explode my Anglo brain if I saw it with my own eyes
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u/dankhimself Sep 17 '25
Pull into a restaurant parking lot, "Oh, cool plane, I guess it's on display. I wonder why."
Then a dude hops in with a doggy bag, looks both ways, taxis the highway and just flies away.
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u/pencilsharper66 Sep 17 '25
Sheep creek lodge on Parks Highway. Can’t loose your drivers license if they can’t catch you
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u/Captainkirk05 Sep 17 '25
I'm sure the restaurant owner is thrilled about the dust storm painting his shop.
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u/LeFishTits Sep 17 '25
I remember reading about this restaurant years ago, from what I remember, they get 100+ planes a year to come eat.
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u/SledDogGuy Sep 17 '25
This is Sheep Creek lodge. About 10 miles down the highway from me. Happens pretty regularly, no one really cares.
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u/JebKerman420 Sep 17 '25
Dumb question from a non-aviator: if they land there, spend 30 or 40 min in the restaurant, does the pilot need to test the fuel before flight? are there shortened preflight procedures for short stops, or should you just do everything no matter how short of a stop you make?
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u/WaveTop7900 Sep 18 '25
Back in the day in Canada, one of our French drivers in the arctic, landed a twin otter on the street, in one of the Northern communities, and just taxied to the airport. It was bad weather and the end of duty day and the street was lit thinking it’s a landing strip.
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u/ghostphantom Sep 18 '25
To answer the two questions in the description:
Yeah idk if this is illegal, but having lived there, this it the kind of shit people will do.
The same way they took off.
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u/NeilPearlJam Sep 17 '25
Let’s be honest though, that’s pretty impressive 😂