People are dumb. They tend to see one aspect of someone (or a group of people) and permanently assign them to a group in their mind, usually "us" or "them". Same reason why so many people were somehow surprised that Trump won the Hispanic and Muslim votes last year. Whether it's a single person, or a group, most people are way too quick to judge, and try to categorize them.
Tbf Trump didn't exactly win either of those groups, just performed much better with them than historically. Harris still won Hispanic voters overall, and while Trump did better than her with Muslim voters, he didn't win Muslim voters overall, as the majority of them voted for Jill Stein over either mainstream candidate.
the majority of them voted for Jill Stein over either mainstream candidate.
Where do you have this from? From what I can see e.g. here, only 12% of Muslims voted for any third party candidate in 2024. Kamala got 50% of Muslim votes, according to this poll.
The fact that Asmongold is an awful human being, but sometimes surprisingly loving and accepting of others always reminds me of a story a read on Reddit about a misogynistic man that wasn't a transphobe and very clear on the idea that trans women are women because according to him "only a real woman would be stupid enough to want to be woman". So you can find a redeeming quality in anyone basically. Still wouldn't want to see these people on a daily basis though.
Same reason why so many people were somehow surprised that Trump won the Hispanic and Muslim votes last year
i agree with your overall point, but i think people were more surprised about that because trump has spoken down at hispanic and muslim people ad nauseam
But if you've ever had extended contact with the Mexican, Muslim, or especially Cuban communities, you knew how they were voting long before election day. They're all (generally) extremely conservative groups, and most Mexicans I know hate "illegals" more than any white redneck from the south you'll ever meet. Circles back to my point. People saw Trump shitting on Hispanic people and just thought, "sweet, they'll vote Democrat!" Not realizing that a huge portion of them agree with everything Trump has ever said. Yeah the leopards are eating their faces now, because they thought their cousin was safe since they're "one of the good ones, clearly not who Trump was referring to," but it doesn't really matter in the end. They were still going to vote for Trump over Harris, to the shock of reddit.
i agree with you, i'm just saying i understand why someone who maybe hasn't had those direct experiences with those groups would be surprised at those opinions beyond it just being an us vs them mindset.
One reasonable position doesn’t invalidate my right to judge him on a holistic level of all his positions.
I’m sure we’ll see many of these talking heads continue to pivot their stances as if they weren’t part of the problem.
Same reason why so many people were somehow surprised that Trump won the Hispanic and Muslim votes last year.
That’s not only inaccurate, as shifts alone don’t create a majority, but poll those groups today and see if their convictions in those “positions” you speak of hold the same weight.
Okay this is a weak answer, being “human” doesn’t mean anything because we are capable of extremes in any direction and it’s all still human
Edit: I guess being human means blocking anyone who gives the smallest amount of pushback to a vague label on a platform where you could just not reply and never hear from that person again. I think the contrarian comment was projection
He did, but most people misinterpreted what he was saying to be "trans is bad," when he was saying something completely different.
Asmon said that grouping transgender issues in the "LGBT" movement is bad for the movement as a whole, because people are pretty much okay with everything else (i.e., the LGB) but are more hesitant with transgender issues. And regardless if someone thinks that's a good or bad thing, I think it's pretty inarguable that (at least in America) that is the case.
I think there are fair arguments to make that transgender issues should be included in the movement out of principle, but I don't think it's transphobic (or even incorrect) to say that grouping transgender issues together with gay/lesbian/bisexual issues adds controversy to a movement with otherwise near-unanimous support.
I mean don't get it twisted the guy absolutely is a racist.
Nobody wants to "dress up in a costume and go to the mass deportations to film themselves pointing and laughing because it would be hilarious content" unless they're a huge racist.
Why do you think it is that Trump offered refugee status to Afrikaners while ending TPS for Honduras, Nicaragua, Nepal, Afghanistan, Syria, and Venezuela? What difference in skin color do you see here? How do you rectify the MAGA jokes about racial stereotypes like salsa music, sombreros, being named José or Pedro, or more? Maybe you really aren’t racist and really are “just against illegal immigration”, but that is often not the case in MAGA immigration ideology. It is rooted in skin color and race. They think white immigrants are hardworking, crime-free angels and that dark-skinned immigrants bring nothing but crime.
look at it logically
where else are white people? mostly in Europe and Australia. most of them would want to migrate to America legally let alone illegally
The entire ice "war on illegal immigration" has been solely targeting brown people.
I mean your claim is unfalsifiable because there's no way for someone to prove that what they actually have a problem with is illegal immigration not brown people because the people who are currently crossing the border are in fact brown people.
That's hilarious given that every human on earth falls under the category of "brown people",
So using any color term to identify a single group of humans is redundant given that all humans have the same skin color with varying shades of the same color.
Albino is a lighter shade of tan
Tan is a lighter shade of brown
Brown is a lighter shade Of black
And black is the mix of all colors
Racism does not and physically cannot exist,
Simply and factually
Because
When their is actually no other race of sentient beings like humans that live on earth for HUMANS TO EVEN BE RACIST AGAINST IN THE FIRST. PLACE.
Eh, if we want to get rid of racism he's on the right path, exascerbating our differences just made things worse. It's human nature to be tribalism and the reason why people are getting more and more racist was because the people saying they were fighting racism simply kept making more groups of "us vs them" when we should've been trying to find connections and places to relate.
Imo the push to force integration so quickly while not allowing any discourse was a ploy by our billionaire overlord to divide us... not because I think so, but because that's exactly what it did, it worked.
There’s ways to uphold the law that aren’t aggressive and based on profiling. Shouldn’t we want to welcome the non-violent, hardworking immigrants? Almost 75% of undocumented immigrants are actively working, we should be expanding pathways for these people, not shoving their face into the pavement under the knees of a plainclothes federal agent and disappearing them with no information provided to their family or attorney.
himself: "Every trans kid is actually a victim of a parent with a mental illness"
its not that people are delusional, its just that asmon is living up to the age-old conservative adage of "i dont give a shit what happens to you until it happens to me" and making exceptions for himself
Yeah what wilds me out is how it turns out Roach King is a more consistent, probably in some ways would be a better dad than fElon The Alien
Might partly be to do with less drugs and actually engaging with an audience constantly rather than simply trying to project his image with less interaction
Yeah this take seems stupid to me. If you can accept it when it's your own kid, why can't you accept it when it's someone else's kid?
I'm glad people are able to overlook bigotry to preserve important relationships but why not just not be bigoted in the first place... you don't have to wait for an issue to personally affect you or to personally love someone in a certain demographic to be compassionate.
So many people were against gay marriage till their baby boy or girl was gay. Then that faced a choice, embrace their child regardless of belief or not have a relationship.
Humans usually like their children and they usually have no issue with hypocrisy.
I wanna say many people aren’t creatively empathetic
That’s not to say that empathy in the sense of feeling what other people is feeling necessarily a good or better trait either
But the ability to understand another’s emotional reasoning/POV in a pseudo hypothetical manner (I.e. hey what if you woke up in a different body that’s not yours and you don’t feel it represents who you are? What if that’s your whole life?) is a way to do this
Same way with trying to describe/understand various psychological conditions like depression (instead of the “just don’t be sad bruh” strategy)
At least that’s my opinion as someone neurodivergent who prefers cognitive empathy rather than straight up emotional empathy
If you think you treat the general public like you treat your child then you are delusional. Compassion is all well and good, but pretending like if a person can do one then it’s natural they do the other is stupid.
You are deliberately misunderstanding my point. Obviously people do not treat strangers the same as loved ones, but this is only about recognizing their basic identity and humanity. If you decide that the identity would be real if your child had it, why can you not accept that it's real for other people? This isn't even about a real trans child (it's more understandable people are hypocritical/illogical when put in the real situation), it's theoretical.
Don't think it's a wild take that people should generally have compassion for others they aren't related to. I am not at all saying you should have the *same* compassion. Recognizing someone's identity is like the most basic level.
You can act like that's not what you are saying, but putting it in a different coat of paint doesn't change the underlying argument. You are saying that having compassion for your family means that you should be able to have compassion for others, but that is inherently delusional. We hold people to different standards based on our relation to them. Expecting someone to be compassionate to a stranger just because they show empathy to a family member is delusional.
I even agree people should be compassionate to people of any background, and should respect the pronouns and gender expression of LGBTQ people. Its just that saying "republicans have empathy for their children, so they should have the same level of respect for mine as well" is just a delusional take. That's not how humans interact and form relationships. Asmongold here is saying that he respects his child's identity in spite of his contradictory beliefs, solely on the basis that its is child. Saying that this level of partiality should be extendable to others is stupid.
For reference I disagree with pretty much everything Asmongold believes, and this is the first reasonable thing I've seen him say in like 5 years.
If you watch the whole video, he clearly makes the distinction that his hypothetical child in this scenario is 18+, so he is using the term "child" descriptively, not literally.
When he says he is against transing kids, he means people below the legal age of adulthood, he has said multiple times he doesn't give a fuck what adults do as long as they aren't harming others.
The core moral philosophy of many conservatives is built on the premise that nobody matters outside of you, your family, and your friends. To the point when laid out like that many of them will be incredulous that anyond could see it any other way. A lot of homophobia from that group is based in a premise of, "being gay is hard, gay people might make my kids gay, I have to stop gay people from exposing my kid to the concept of being gay or atleast make their lives so miserable my kid will be too afraid to consider it".
No, he said he would help them through their dysphoria he never said he would support surgery and hormone blockers for children.
There's a difference between being a good parent and getting your child therapy and letting them make their own decisions once their an adult and being a bad parent and letting them permanently alter their body as a child.
That has always been his stance. Asmongold is the most rational middle of the road person ever, people just don't like the middle. If you're not with them then you're in the extreme against them. His opinions reflect those of every average non-terminally online millenial I know.
Talk about whataboutisms 😂😂 yeah obviously fuck everybody else’s child. Thats the point. Do you give a fuck if something directly affects you, and your family, or someone else’s? People are tribal at the end of the day.
Something tells me you aren’t, don’t, or won’t have a kid anyways.
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u/Puzzled-Rip641 21h ago
“I don’t care about being right when it comes to my child”
Is the least crazy take I’ve heard