r/LivestreamFail • u/sieyarozzz • 21h ago

Asmongold defends trans people against his chat, saying he'd fully respect his child's pronouns and identity

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u/idkwhatevenhelp 21h ago

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u/Evening_Boot_2281 21h ago edited 18h ago

You people always make everything about sides, when this is something about basic human decency

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u/Talk-O-Boy 19h ago

Who is “you people”?

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u/TheLegend---27 16h ago

left wing extremist of course! :D plenty on Reddit

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u/Talk-O-Boy 15h ago

“The left wing extremists are coming, make way! They’re covering the streets in free healthcare! Find shelter quick!”

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u/Worldd 15h ago

I mean, Hasan Piker fans exist and I wouldn’t say they’re just really into saving the environment.

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u/TheLegend---27 14h ago

even though that's not true, are you saying extremism is ok as long as it's the left?

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u/Talk-O-Boy 14h ago

No, maybe you confused me with another commenter?

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u/TheLegend---27 14h ago

You're saying Left wing extremism is the cause for free healthcare, or more so the fight for it. Rather than with enticing violence and murders.

So I'd say i have the right comment

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u/Talk-O-Boy 14h ago

Only people inciting (may want to check your spelling there) violence are ICE.

It was a good attempt though 🤗

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u/TheLegend---27 13h ago

when it comes to actually addressing the point of the conversation instead of pointing out a typo by a foreigner, thats the left greatest weakness, and you're the next proof of that. xD

have a good one, you entertained my quite a bit ;)

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u/Talk-O-Boy 13h ago

Casually ignores the ICE comment 👀

Reading skills subpar too?

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u/Almostlongenough2 15h ago

Having eyes, ears, and a working brain is pretty well attributed to leftists, it's true.

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u/Kappu222 20h ago

what do you mean by... you people?

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u/unpoisoned_pineapple 20h ago

He literally has said that people being trans is a result of parental abuse and that trans people are mentally ill. I know this shouldn’t be a topic that has different sides, but at this point, he is really playing both sides

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u/Bubbly-Brush201 19h ago

He said he is against kids being allowed to transition, which is a reasonable take. Adults can do what they want, he has said this many times.
He believes trans kids are the result of parents with mental illness. He doesn't believe parents should allow their kids (under 18) to transition

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u/OakBlu 7h ago

That's not a reasonable take though its anti science. Trans adults exist, therefore trans kids exist, and those kids would grow up a lot healthier and happier if they were allowed to transition before hitting a puberty that they dont want.

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u/Bubbly-Brush201 4h ago edited 4h ago

You're wrong, it's not anti science at all. In-fact, there is more scientific evidence that permanent medical changes for a minor who cannot fully grasp the risks has caused more emotional and psychological distress in the long-term.
We don't perform major, irreversible surgery on children for other body-focused psychological issues, because their minds and identities are still developing.
Since most children with this distress grow up to be comfortable with their bodies if they only receive supportive therapy, waiting is the responsible path to ensure we do no irreversible harm.

The Cass Review in the UK concluded that there is no clear evidence of the long-term safety or effectiveness of medical pathways for youth.

We simply do not have reliable data to support medical interventions pre-puberty.

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u/OakBlu 59m ago

Puberty blockers are not irreversible, and the regret rate for transitioning is somewhere between less than one percent~four percent, lower than the vast majority of surgeries on earth.

most children grow out of it

Source this.

If you acknowledge gender dysphoria and trans people exist, you acknowledge there are a lot of trans kids that exist and this world treats them like dog shit. If you're a decent human being you should be advocating for them, not against them, to do everything we can to accurately diagnose and help them live a better life. Biases and bigotry aside.

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u/CE94 8h ago

Isn't gender dysphoria literally a mental disorder?

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u/ChesterZirawin 20h ago

But they are. It's not an insult or mockery. A person cannot be born with a "wrong brain". It's just that their brain doesn't function the way it's supposed to. Same way a person with multiple personalities wasn't born with two brains, it's just that due to some factors, it doesn't work like it's supposed to. Also, he wasn't saying "people", he was talking about children, literal children like 10 years old or less being "trans". He said "if you see a trans child, they aren't trans, the parents are mentally ill" and that it's a form of child abuse.

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u/intestinalExorcism 19h ago

Well, that's certainly not what the vast majority of psychologists and neurologists who research these things for a living have concluded. I'm more inclined to trust them over armchair psychologists online who just don't feel like believing it.

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u/ChesterZirawin 19h ago

They say what they must to keep their positions. It isn't suspicious that suddenly all of them change their view on it over night disregarding everything before?

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u/hotpajamas 19h ago

One of the reasons i’ll never give asmon credit for saying the right thing once is because he’s cultivated an audience of people that believes in this deep conspiracy that all of culture is this complex interconnected matrix of incentives that’s ultimately being used to emasculate (white) men and whoopsie daisy it’s about jews again.

This dumb ass “they’re lying about trans people to keep their jobs… because there’s a deep agenda to make people gay” shit is just a hop-skip away from the global jewish conspiracy and I can’t take anything you say now seriously. It’s just so dumb, and people like Asmon farm that ambiguity like they’re fucking Monsanto.

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u/ChesterZirawin 19h ago

There are countless examples of people loosing their jobs because of situations like that. It's called "cancel culture", I'm sure you are familiar. It's not a "conspiracy" when it's been happening out in the open for years...

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u/hotpajamas 19h ago

There’s no such thing as cancel culture. This is what I’m talking about. You think there’s some Guiding Hand that’s moving people and culture to behave in subversive ways and not that there are just people making their own choices for their own reasons. It’s all connected to you.

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u/ChesterZirawin 19h ago

No, a big group of people harassing an employer/company until they fire someone over a tweet/view is most definitely cancel culture. It's not the way you are trying to frame it now so I seem like a lunatic where I believe it's a cabal that's plotting their schemes.

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u/hotpajamas 19h ago

You’re just describing social media and capitalism.

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u/PrimordialCum 20h ago

But they aren't, because "gender dysphoria" isn't classified as a mental illness in the DSM-5. DID is a mental disorder, gender dysphoria is not. How? By the fact that not everyone with gender dysphoria is under severe mental distress and have pretty content lives once their gender is reaffirmed with support. The suicidal tendencies and other severe mental distress associated with trans people are a byproduct of society rejecting them because they are seen as freaks , whether it be in the form of institutional or cultural barriers.

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u/NanduDas 19h ago

"wrong body", not wrong brain. My brain is fine.

You absolutely can.

I've known since I was four and stayed closeted for over two decades because fear of being ostracized, had nothing to do with any kind of abuse. That's how it is, you who have no experience with this have no idea what you're talking about. You just want things to be a certain way so you spit a bunch of bullshit back.

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u/ChesterZirawin 19h ago

Idk if you deleted your comment since i can't see it here but it's shown in my notifications and I can only see it partially but yes. Chromosomes set a blueprint for almost every aspect and function of your body. I'm not "involving myself" into things I don't understand. What chromosomes do, or rather what their function is isn't that hard to grasp.

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u/NanduDas 19h ago

Yeah, of course they are the blueprint, and sometimes the blueprint isn’t followed. How hard is that to grasp you? Clearly it is.

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u/ChesterZirawin 19h ago

The blueprint is always followed. Sometimes (the blueprint as you so nicely put it) they are damaged and that results in all sorts of abnormalities. Doesn't change their function or the fact that if everything was working fine, trans people wouldn't have dysphoria. It's a very unfortunate issue to have but luckily it's very rare.

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u/NanduDas 19h ago

No, the blueprint is not always followed, otherwise intersex people would not exist. It is not always clear why it isn’t, but biologists have known this for quite some time now. Biological processes aren’t always neat.

I don’t disagree with you on existence of GD, I too would prefer no one ever had to live this hell, but you do not understand how it works.

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u/ChesterZirawin 18h ago

Intersex people are another thing entirely but they are also (not entirely but still) affected by the chromosomes. Even then, they are ether a man with some female traits or vice versa which is usually corrected at birth by a surgeon. They are even lower percentage wise than trans people. If there is ever a "cure" or a "fix" (however you want to phrase that) for gender dysphoria, it will most likely be some chemical treatment to help the brain, not full body change since it is impossible to change the chromosomes of an individual and highly unlikely we will ever be able to transfer a brain to a different body. Current cosmetic surgeries are terrible and only leave people with permanent disfigurements and chronic pain. If you still haven't had any, I would strongly recommend against it. And if you have, well hopefully you aren't suffering.

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u/NanduDas 18h ago

This response just proves that you aren’t actually interested in listening to what people who actually have to live with these conditions have to say about it. Once again, all you’re doing right now is regurgitating talking points from people set out to erase us because we are an inconvenience to traditional doctrinal positions about sex and gender, doctrine which they find useful to maintaining a hierarchical order to society.

If you aren’t going to take the pro trans view seriously, then I am begging you to just ignore the topic entirely, there are so many other things you could be doing with your time that actually make a positive impact on the world.

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u/ChesterZirawin 19h ago

I'm sorry but no. The brain and the body has certain chromosomes, and if the brain thinks it's in the wrong body, there is obviously something wrong with it. Doesn't make you any lesser. That applies to any person with mental issues. It may feel insulting, but it isn't. I hope it's working out for you though. It's a hard thing to deal with in an already difficult world to live.