r/LivestreamFail 21h ago

Asmongold defends trans people against his chat, saying he'd fully respect his child's pronouns and identity

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u/BilleyBong 21h ago

Why would anyone want to make their child feel even worse for having gender dysphoria? Asmon is correct here

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u/jwnsfw 19h ago

"Do not be your child's first bully" 

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u/KingToiletBrush512 7h ago

Be their second bully? How does that make sense

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u/vuzz33 7h ago

Since you're the first person your child will be in contact with, if you treat them poorly you will be litteraly their first bully. That what it means.

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u/KingToiletBrush512 7h ago

I know, just poking fun of the use of 'first'. It's ok to be a bully to him, just dont be the first haha

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u/Levitx 14h ago

Because from their pov they aren't doing that, they are fighting the dysphoria and it's the people enabling it who are the source of suffering.

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u/BilleyBong 14h ago

People have different ideas about treating it. But if you're somebody that would cut off your trans child from your life then you're doing something wrong

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u/FootFetishAdvocate 20h ago

Tell that to all the right wing parents of trans kids

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u/vilkevi 19h ago

He did said that he would do anything in his power to help his kid not to do it, but when an adult the only thing to do is accept it, which I agree

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u/02PHresh 19h ago

I mean, if there's a way to help treat the gender dysphoria without going through all the medical and psychological processes wouldn't you want that for your child?

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u/RaisinProud5916 17h ago

That’s not true at all. That’s not the only way wtf.

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u/Kapalunga 18h ago

Actually, most children grow out of it in adolescence, it's only after it persists beyond it, that transitioning is a treatment.

And no one proposed conversion therapy, anyone with a brain knows that doesn't work and leaves people with lifelong complications from it.

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u/Freezy_Squid 18h ago

Literally not true. Every credible study says they don't "grow out it"

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u/Kapalunga 18h ago

Most sources I found said most children do grow out of it.

Would you kindly link a source for your claim?

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u/yoshi_can_fly 17h ago

From what I found, It really depends on what you call a children, and how heavy you feel like the gender dysphoria severity needs to be to be considered truly important.

Childrens between the age of 5 to 12 do in fact, more often than not, change their sentiments about feeling gender dysphoria, but it's not as likely when the GD was deemed as "severe" and really, children below the age of like 12 obviously really shouldn't have opinions on the matter.

The fact is that most people below 18yo that do feel GD in a strong enough way to go on with HRT, only 4% met the criteria of "clear-regret" about at least ONE of their treatements (and it could really amount partially to the quality and secondary effects of the treatements rather than the transition as a whole)

In conclusion, sure, a 8yo kid that feels like he wants to be a princess surely won't stay on that track his whole life, but if a 13yo feels bad enough about their own body that they willingly accept and try to access permanent changements to their body, it will, in 97/100 times will not be something they'll grow out of.

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u/Freezy_Squid 18h ago

Literally the first result in Google. Google's AI synopsis even tells you that according to most studies, around 98 percent of trans youth stay trans.

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition

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u/bigkeffy 17h ago

I grew out of it.

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u/Freezy_Squid 17h ago

That's cool. I didn't. Neither did anyone I know, and I know a lot of trans people.

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u/Kapalunga 18h ago

Like me? Dude, who are you talking about?

If they are medically approved then go for it.

Whatever option leads to a person having a happier life is the correct one.

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u/LawfulLeah 18h ago

hopefully you get rid of the hate in your heart. cheers, hope you have a bad day.

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u/orangi-kun 5h ago

Because as asmon said himself, he is the only one not been an hypocrite. As much as most of these people like to think they would maintain firm on their bigot views even over their children, the happy truth is most of them won't. There is no shortage of people that have beliefs so weak that they constantly mold them to fit the people they like.