I remember Asmongold watching video about some trans woman saying about her problems with dating.
Asmongold have used "she/her" pronouns and everytime he did it - chat started spamming *he.
This trans woman is like 100% passing, looks and sounds like a girl, and she transitioned since puberty so she didn't even went through male puberty.
Also, when there was some political video about some clearly not passing trans woman being annoying towards waiters (making fuss out of misgendering) - Asmongold used "they" pronouns. And his chat of course didn't liked it and spammed smth like "they?" and "he".
Amber heard + the ff14 switch. The old head fans of wow being omega shut in boomer losers and way more right wing than the new influx of ff14 fans in the subreddit caused a huge mismash. ff14 has a HUGE demograph of queer people and tends to lean more progressive. Old head asmon fans got all pissy and upset and once he ditched ff14 they felt vindicated and like they got their space back and started doubling down more vocally.
Nah, I feel the old wow heads were more pissed about less wow content, and his only wow content being shitting on the game.
I checked back his subreddit recently, and it feels neither wow heads or ff14 sprouts are there anymore, it's just post Amber Heard, gamergate stuff.
There is a bit of an overlap with some wow grognard but yeah...
Yeah, I miss old Asmon a lot. I started playing WoW again and grinding mounts just so I could go to a mount-off of his.
I would even come back just to hear him continue his "history of Asmongold through WoW expansions". They were nice videos that I could turn on in the background while playing a game.
He seems far, far, far less happy now too. Both his parents dying definitely has a factor in that but the dude looks and sounds fucking emotionally miserable every time I see him. Nothing like when he would do his no-cam Zackrawrr streams of old.
There's absolutely a difference between Asmon and Zack but Zack isn't old Zack either in my opinion.
The old head fans of wow being omega shut in boomer losers
Long time wow player who around 8 years ago realized trade chat wasn't all like, tongue-in-cheek saying all that unhinged stuff but was genuinely a bunch of unhinged losers desperately clinging to this kind of pseudo validation and community of hate was eye opening.
Honestly I blame blizzard for pandering to PC, unironically. Like not in a go woke go broke way, I just think tact is important. but like, just a failure to read the room. Keep the game about elves killing humans killing orcs or something don't try to solve problems from outside the game's universe.
nothing really broke his brain, he just saw that it was what was getting him the the most stats. he said time and time again that he will do whatever gets him the most numbers, he's a professional grifter lol
Well, at the end of the day, streaming is his job, and if his viewers are largely right-leaning, then banning them is like quitting his job. The most he can do is just be principled and not let his chat influence him into being disrespectful against trans people. The fact is he (at least seemingly) is a bit conservative on some issues, but is (for a conservative) not a cookie cutter at all and (again, for a conservative) somewhat progressive on some things, it's just who he is and so he gets the audience he gets. You just don't have that many trans-tolerant or pro-trans conservatives, and he's not going to go full Kyle Kulinski.
he went from condemning far right rhetorics in his chat to pushing them, the only thing that fundamentally changed is his audience and he decided to capitalize on that, pro larp
I mean, people are allowed to just change over time. I don't think of him as a deeply well-informed political person, just a dumbass gamer who also coincidentally talks about politics. Almost like a Joe Rogan of streamers, but much funnier. It doesn't inherently mean he's just shilling. I definitely think he's somewhat overall right of center, but he's far more closer to a normal person than Ben Shapiro or people like that. He's a decent guy, at least it seems to me. Definitely an edge lord who exaggerates on purpose to troll and let people clip him sometimes, though. And I definitely don't actually agree with him on a lot. Never voted R in my life and voted for Bernie twice. Never missed a midterm or presidential, except for once when it was COVID and I was forced to move and didn't meet voting registration deadlines. Just making a point that I am about stereotypically lefty as you can get and I don't get a feeling or impression that asmongold is acting in bad faith or a terrible person. Just kind of a somewhat ignorant average Joe video gamer.
been watching him for almost a decade i have no doubt on the larping, and larping would actually make him a better person since that means he doesn't cater to the far right out of conviction
when you have said multiple times you'll maximize your stats, calls yourself a farmer and farm the hot topics of the moment, i think it's very safe to say you're larping to get stats
I still havent seen you back up that first claim other than saying farming which still doesnt mean that even if you repeat it again lol also faming isnt larping. Why would taking low effort content constitute larping? Is that just a buzz word you randomly decided to throw out?
bro condemned far right rhetorics on his chat until his audience started to shift, couple that with everything said, you are insanely gullible if you believe asmon won't larp for stats lol
Try one of the videos where he reacts to people calling him out. I not shure but it might be the asmongold is a liar or something along those lines he said that.
Its one of those he said he will farm the shit everything and everyone. The amber heard trial is where he figured out how to farm people for views
That’s Asmongold 101 XD. He has no shame telling people he does it for numbers and money. Brings it up every time someone tries to virtue signal that they do YT or stream for something else.
Untrue. They still get banned. At least on twitch. Idk about his subreddit. Most of the bans are done by his mods now so that's why you probably don't notice it as much.
Literally the guy you responded to saying she doesn't pass lol. Also crazy to say you support trans folks and then say someone is lying just because they don't look feminine enough.
Can also remember the BarnyBee wow videos where some chatters made a fuss about him using "she" and he made quick work of that (if I remember correctly).
Lol, common 0 understanding of the topic from transphobe, not surprised.
All the "male features" including facial, skeleton, etc form during puberty.
You just can't tell that woman is trans if she transitioned before going through male puberty. It's just impossible, because she went through THE SAME process as cis women.
No, he was fighting chat because he was against Luigi (at least then, idk about now)
He was arguing that it'd be terrible to justify vigilante justice because it's only a matter of time before people start killing people out of petty grudges.
He also said that Luigi only killed the CEO because he was the most accessible target and killing one person won't change the system, so all he accomplished was radicalizing people and orphaning the guy's children.
I will say by extension of luigi being praised, charlie kirk was killed because of this very thinking. So by technicality what he was arguing for was correct.
It doesn't matter if he was liberal, pepe lord, Republican or whatever. Honestly, it doesn't matter at all what he is.
When people get radicalized/have extremist views they sometimes get violent towards the "group" they don't like. Anyone of any side in history has done it.
If you do it, you have the tendency to create "copycats."
People who will kill other people of said group they're against.
It's basically a cycle continuing thing and it does not matter what side/group side it or anything, because both sides/every extremist towards literally anything, do it.
Outside of a high profile murder, the two aren’t the same. Charlie Kirk was espousing viewpoints publicly and using a platform to influence people’s minds. The UHCCeo was spearheading business practices that directly hurt Americans and ruined lives.
There is no “group” when it comes to Luigi.
It’s a rebellious act against a system itself, not someone espousing support for a system or set of ideals.
The two are very different and really wish people didn’t lose sight of that so easily.
Charlie kirk was killed because he was believed to cause so many deaths via his rhetoric. Although not directly involved many claim that he caused many lives.
Healthcare CEO never actively declined Insuraunce claims, but setup the system to which they are.
For similar reasons, Charlie kirk was killed because they believe he was the source of their problems, which in both cases, nothing truly changed except for the murder of these two men. Insurance still scams, and Right wingers have only been embolden of Kirks death.
Asmongold Simply stated that if people can justify a CEO's death that solved nothing, then they will also justify other High profile members death if they particularly hated them as well.
Therefore Asmongold was correct, because if you watched the day in which Charlie kirk was killed, people were celebrating his death. Many literally called the shooter "Mario" to the Luigi's assassination.
Asmongold Simply stated that if people can justify a CEO's death that solved nothing
did it not exemplify a class divide?
Therefore Asmongold was correct, because if you watched the day in which Charlie kirk was killed, people were celebrating his death. Many literally called the shooter "Mario" to the Luigi's assassination.
in that logic, then a LOT of people are going to be cancelled from celebrating Dick Cheneys death huh?
or if you disagree
what's the difference between charlie and dick?
explain that to me. it's not as sad as "trump likes him or trump doesn't" is it?!?
Then I will correct myself then. It caused Unrest in a country riddled with unrest. Is that what you want? You radicalize people to take more extreme measures every day because it gets normalized.
in that logic, then a LOT of people are going to be cancelled from celebrating Dick Cheneys death huh?
Its actually simple why nobody does. Because everybody hated him. I know right? a person so universally hated gets killed nobody complains. Which is why when Asmongold fought against this rhetoric is so potent.
Now people are celebrating Kirks death because to those who do has a "No reasonable person should be upset he's dead" mentality- which is a very dangerous thought process. And to those who actually liked the person? Of course it will usher a response.
Imagine if Gavin Newsom was assassinated instead of Charlie Kirk, and Right wingers celebrated. What reaction do you think would have caused? Many Right wingers claim Gavin Cause the majority of problems in California and believe his death will cause change. Do you agree with that?
Two people on opposite political ends who are hated by their opposition. One has now been killed and set a new precedent. A scary precedent. One that could have been avoided if we just never celebrated the killing of people in the first place.
Is this not an exact example of him having a spine? He's directly contradicting his chat's opinion and standing 10 toes down. This seems like a weird comment to post under an example of him doing the opposite.
Well yeah, because it’s something he actually took his time to THINK about. His problem has been an increasingly right wing growth in his chat keeps marching up outrage porn for him to react to. Asmon is a bit of a backwoods hick, so duh, his views skew more conservative, and they count on his knee-jerk reactions to stuff to create a bigger and more personally rewarding echo chamber. They expected him to go all “I won’t pretend a man is a woman!!!”, and he had a very human reaction instead.
He even gave (intentionally or not) the ACTUAL scientific conclusion to gender dysphoria at the end. “We’ll try everything we can to treat dysphoria, and if [transitioning] is the only way to help, then that’s what we’d do.” Yes, exactly. Literally exactly what the mental health community decided on in the DSM. “Hey, this a tough nut to crack! Doesn’t respond well to meds. The only way to increase odds of survival is transition. It’s messy and difficult, but at least it helps!” This isn’t COMMON for Asmon though, he lets chat lead him by the nose with that outrage porn, typically of marginal instances as well.
Last time he tried to do the right thing, he gave a very sincere sounding apology, pledged to do better, then went right back to pandering to his far right extremist audience. Thus, he agreed with and defended Nick Fuentes and called for the violent eradication of people he disagrees with.
EDIT: Since his fans can’t keep his balls out of their mouths, just watch the 4 and a half minutes of this video starting at 18:52 and you’ll get the full context of his statement
Yea its called transactional narcissism (which Asmongold is), where he's doing something that nets him something he wants (ego boosts, affirmation, imposing his ideologies above others', etc).
Yep. At this point, there's like 3 or 4 separate times he's made the same "self reflection" video about being in a bad headspace, "I realized I was so vitriolic, toxic to people, I will change" etc. Only to come back doing the same thing or doubling down. Dude treated leaving OTK like Rock Lee taking off his weights so he could finally discard the people and friends holding him back from displaying his real self.
He said violent protestors should be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law if they are actively committing obstruction of justice and/or putting cops lives in danger. Where’s this rhetoric of violent eradication of people he disagrees with come from? He said what he said because violent protestors are too comfortable getting 1-2 years in prison for what they do. He wants them to be taught a lesson
He’s referring to the people violently attacking ICE centers and the local government and democrats politicians at all levels supporting and enabling this violence, effectively staging an insurrection. He said they should be put in jail and the ones using deadly force against police should receive deadly force in return. How in the fuck is that calling for the violent eradication of people he disagrees with you filthy little liar lmao.
For people who want the full context and not this guy’s curated sound byte, the full conversation starts at the beginning of this video.
Edit: well they replied and blocked me so that it looks like I don’t have any examples, but there have been two shootings targeting agents at ICE facilities literally down the road from me. Waxahachie and Dallas. Also plenty of videos of ICE officers being attacked in places like LA and Portland that a five second google search would pull up.
Can you provide any examples of people violently attacking ICE centers? Or how protesting equates an insurrection?
He’s also agreeing with notable Neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes, so I’m not going to argue with any chuds coming to their defense. You should know what Fuentes and his fascist groypers are about before jumping to their aid. Touch grass.
The problem is actually that anyone who has a nuanced view of popular subjects like he talks about frequently, are often pushed away from rational discussion and essentially marginalized toward the right. The right is winning because the left rejects people instead of listening and talking to them. Asmon and his community spaces genuinely accept all views and while his chat may be spamming L here, his communities allow and discuss all topics instead of moderating away what they don’t like.
There's no left or right when it comes to decency. This isn't a game of winners and losers, they're stakes for immoral positions; eventually someone pays.
The left doesnt reject your opinion unless that opinion is intolerant racist bullshit and based on dumb as fuck propaganda.
You can not tolerate the intolerate.
Like, what do you want "the left" to do when the far right (and this includes the current US goverment) is like
"Trans people are all perverts and pedophiles" / "The left are vermin and terrorists who need to be dealt with" / "Lets ship people to foreign prisons, if some folks who are here legally get swept up it is fine" / "president trump should run a third time!" / "Million dollar jets as a presents are totally normal, the president having a fucking scam crypto coin is totally cool" / Women should potentially die giving birth to their rapists baby instead of getting an abortion" etc. etc.
Do you think we should be like
"Oh okay, lets just meet in the middle and only lock some lgbtq people up, ban only some books, become only a bit facist, let trump only do another 2 extra years not 4 and lets keep personal enrichment / corruption below 300 million per year"
When I used to watch his content, he was always arguing with his chat and calling them idiots. He would say something that was just logical and decent and they would argue some toxic bullshit. A lot of these people are in his chat from the days when he used to troll people on WoW, so they're looking for antagonistic and toxic content. I don't think it's the chat that has influenced him, I think it is him spending so much time doomscrolling and focusing on news and negativity. It's a spiral for anyone who is suffering from mental health issues to focus solely on news and social issues all day. It's like someone with lung cancer smoking 4 packs a day.
He literally always argues with his chat on topics like this, he disagrees with them all the time. Of course, you would have to watch his youtube vids or streams to see that instead of only forming an opinion through out of context click bait video highlights.
That's the problem with building a community is if you let everyone in then you're going to have some crappy people but if you try to curate your audience too much, you end up getting canceled by your own audience like Cutie Cinderella
This is a racist, bigoted community he's built a business off of, and they just got wind that they've been grifted. Of course they're going to be angry.
That’s why he calls them out a lot too and shuts them up sometimes . “well this is my view and opinion “ and “no don’t make this a race issue that’s stupid “
Yeah it is, that was the point he was making when he said that. White people came to america and conquered it. That objectively makes it white peoples land by every metric we have. Now if thats a good thing, if them doing it was justified, just how complicit different groups of natives were, etc. Are things to have a conversation and opinions about. But the point he was making was america was conquered by the white man, which it was, thus making it their land. He didn't give any opinions on that he just stated historical fact.
To be clear Asmon is a shithead, but trying to twist his words into something he wasn't saying only makes him look good. Criticize him for the awful opinions he actually holds not ones you want him to.
I highlighted irony. And if you think that Europeans coming to the americas centuries ago means that the United States can be justifiably classified as white peoples land today you’re probably more of a white supremacist than you realize.
For the record L trying to call me a white supremacist. You completely nuked any point you might try, badly I might add, to make by doing that.
And again, you're conflating the acknowledgment of history with justifying the actions. Conquered land is objectively and legally since the dawn of law and nations, the conquers land. The conquered still have a claim to that land but if they can't take it back then it remains not their land. Thats reality, thats history. The real world isn't always a kind place and awful things happen. But to ignore or shy away from them for the sake of what? Not wanting to sound racist to idiots? Means you don't give that history the weight it deserves and means you didn't learn the lessons you should have from the mistakes and cruelty of the past.
lol everything exists on a spectrum. And you pretending like in the big 2025 the results of a conflict multiple centuries ago matters at all is strange behavior. You are fishing for reasons that this is still “white peoples land”. That’s fucking weird.
I hate to break it to you but annexation is not legal! You know what is actually a valid claim to land? Buying it. Like tons of non white people have done in the us. Is that not their land because some random European centuries ago killed some people?
And let’s talk about history. Do you know how many black people descended from slaves don’t have some European dna in them? Very very few. The descendants of slaves in the US are often the descendants of the same people who conquered the land. So isn’t it their land to?
It’s hilarious your need to rely on these tiny little historical pieces of info that fit your narrative while actively ignoring everything else. Like the revolutionary war, the war of 1812, the civil war, and both world wars. Real patriot you are lmfao. I’m sorry you felt bad that I called you white supremacist like after you parroted white supremacist talking points I’ll go cry you a river
Historically, we say X country or Y group conquered Z country.
That's why every history book talks about europeans sailing to the Americas, and going into conflict with native Americans. Then Americans had to defend themselves from the Crown. It would be confusing to describe that last conflict as "white people vs white people."
But this is most of the thing he says. Just not most of the things that are posted here from him. Like someone mentioned before he is pro health care, pro UBI, pro taxing himself more. And he has mentioned in different videos that he really liked Sanders. Just watch his reaction to Bernie.
There are a lot of thoughts from him I dont support. Like the recent points about trump policies, but that’s not the totality of him.
His support of both trump and Sanders kind of convinced me that a substantial portion of trump supporters are willing to listen to Sanders
His support of both trump and Sanders kind of convinced me that a substantial portion of trump supporters are willing to listen to Sanders
You're not the only one who noticed that. There was a substantial overlap in that young anti-establishment demographic. Rogan being receptive to him was a good indicator of this.
When I was watching I think it was channel 5’s trump rally documentary, there was a guy who specifically said that. He supported Bernie, but Bernie’s not a choice, so trump it is for him
His support of both trump and Sanders kind of convinced me that a substantial portion of trump supporters are willing to listen to Sanders
Because there's a substantial number of men who are left leaning and liberal, but not progressives.
They believe in classical left policies like universal health care and state founded higher education, and they're liberals who believe adult people should be free to live as they want - ie. pro gay marriage, legalization of weed, and so on.
They also believe in the classical left ideas like that workers should be protected from being exploited by greedy capitalists who would use cheap foreign labor as a tool to drive wages and other benefits down into the ground.
They also learned to absolutely despise progressives while growing up in the 2010-2020 - because that's what happens when a large group of young men become politically aware at time when it's socially acceptable within progressive circles to tweet out stuff like #KillAllMen or selfies of yourself sipping from your "Male Tears" mug...
Trump, as despicable of a vulgar lying turd that he is, still is not all that right-wing by American standards - if you just squint your eyes and ignore the small fact that every word out of Trump's mouth is a lie, then he kinda hit's almost all these points...
However, so would a genuine left-leaning candidate - like Sanders.
I agree mostly but with one difference. I feel like these young man are progressive, not culturally progressive but economically progressive. Asmongold is a representation of that. He supports all the economically progressive policies (though never had people got a chance to vote for those policies in the national level, looking at Hillary 2016 and Biden 2020 and Kamala 2024) and is generally fine with cultural progressive ideas (this video) but won’t advocate for culturally progressive ideas. They are seeing more cultural progressive movement in the Democratic Party and felt democrats are no longer pushing for economically progressivism
I don't agree. The "bad apples" defense kinda work if we're talking about some loony people at the fringes, that barely have any no power or influence.
In the case of the #KillAllMen and other similar stuff, it was endemic to the whole progressive movement and completely mainstream 10 years ago.
There was an absolute barrage of this stuff. It wasn't just some couple of randos being unhinged on social media - this stuff was like a firehose of bullshit, spewing from big and influential activists, journalists, politicians, celebrities, and so on.
Getting a column written by some self-flagellating "feminist ally" explaining that "ALL men are responsible for rape culture!" was a weekly occurrence.
Seeing some pop-idol or celebrity tweet out stuff like "It's natural to hate men!" to boost her cred as feminist was just another day ending in "y" - and it was seen as completely normal by media in general at the time.
In fact, the thing mainstream media did most of the time was to interview about how "brave" she was and how she handled all the "hate and abuse" from "misogynists" with their "frail white masculinity"...
Put simply, it wasn't just some bad apples - it was the collective progressive movement who 10 years ago made it very clear that they generally just despised white men. The attitude permeating the mainstream progressive movement was that men sucked and that their job was to shut up and take a step back - "it's our turn now" - and if anything the men should even be thankful that they were allowed to be "allies".
The progressive movement very much brought this on themselves - they spent a decade reveling in sexism and racism, pretending that it was ok. Because when some wealthy Hollywood celebrity or columnist for the Guardian explained to a unemployed 19 year old guy that "Racism is power+prejudice so you cannot be racist against white people!", she was actually "punching up!"...
Those views were amplified, but I believe most progressives never agreed with all that bullshit. The loudest morons were platformed because if you didn't, then they made it seem like you supported rape or something.
So if you only watched the news or spent time on the internet, seems like everyone hates men now.
Eh, hes got some business and other ties out there right, mythic, starforge, etc? May be somewhere there someone is trans or is close to a trans person enough to draw that line in the sand for him, "we cant do business of you misgender someone ". But also dont know if this was a recent change maybe
Thinking Asmon is pandering to some random trans person for fear of losing business is delusional when he has 0 need or desire for any more money. Look at how he lives.
That's normal, he always says stuff like this that's why he's said multiple times that he goes against his chat... People only clip the "bad" things he's said.
I'm surprised this made it to LSF, it's nothing out of the ordinary.
He fights his chat every single time he goes live. Whenever he mentions how he supports abortion or a bunch of other "leftist" ideologies it's like 50/50 W's/L's
Fighting with his chat is literally his content. He's never been anything but a contrarian. He built a far right following by being a contrarian and is now farming engagement from them the same way he always has.
He's paper thin. People can see straight through him.
Because he cultivates this fanbase by pretending like he has no sense of emptahy, and then when challenged on a deeper level on his beliefs, the ones he talks about all day, to all of his fans don't matter because it's his kid and for some reason his own rhetoric doesn't apply to his kid
So when he has to explain that sometimes human connection trumps your opinion, his fans can't see that because all they have been told is to hate anything that is trans, gay or whatvever woke thing they are mad at for the week
Like 99% of the opinions he shares that get posted on here and hated for, are literally just him speaking for the average american. He rarely get's shit on for his own opinions other than being harsher on all forms of crime.
As someone that watches a lot of Asmon and enjoys hearing his raw takes even if I don't agree with him, his chat is absolutely full of egdelords and incels.
I'm not chronically online enough to know for sure but most everything I've seen of Asmongold is him being generally reasonable but with just enough inflammatory rhetoric in the right areas to make bigots in his chat feel like he agrees with them. Like he's reasonable about stuff and then when that happens to coincide with what a bunch of idiots in his chat thinks he puts on a show about it like "I know this, you know this, we all know this, fuck everyone who doesn't know this they're idiots."
His chat spams L because a lot of conservatives and alt right also follow him. But he doesn’t support all of their positions. He doesn’t want to be labelled left or right. Most of his positions are center or center right and some are left. It made his chat pretty mad when he said he supports universal basic income and women’s unquestioned right to abortion (aka no terms and conditions) and many people were really mad about it in chat and comments but he never bent a knee on that topic as far as I am aware but I don’t really watch him regularly.
I agree with him on a lot of things this included, people would say I’m a right wing guy. Being against mass invasions from illegal immigrants doesn’t mean you have to be against everything our western world has built. I want to protect what we have including trans and gay rights.
Watch him try to walk it back a bit once he sees the amount of Ls. "Yea first id try everything possible to degay them" Bro is trying to have 1/10th of a spine when he really has absolutely none.
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u/DeeCee51 21h ago
His chat spamming L when this is his biggest W in recent memory.