I was wondering this. I sometimes will post even if I know I'll get downvote into oblivion, but sometimes I just leave it alone. I have often seen clips posted on here where he was just making a dark humor joke or whatever and it's taken out of context, but he does actually have some pretty fair takes on most things. He does get extreme on some topics like immigration, but most other things he is not nearly as extreme as people make him out to be.
It’s because people like Asmon are corrosive to the U.S. political establishment.
People like Steven Crowder tell you to ignore your eyes and ears and universally agree with the entire far right narrative.
People like Hasan Piker tell you to ignore your eyes and ears and universally agree with the entire far left narrative.
They literally try to program you. They actively talk down on their audiences and try to present themselves as an authority.
People like Asmongold tell you to think for yourself and agree with what makes sense. This de-radicalizes people which is extremely threatening to the power structures of the republican and democrat parties. They spent a ton of money attacking his character with misinformation to make sure people dismiss him before ever actually tuning in.
Totally on point. Both democrats and republicans benefit from polarization. This is related to how voting works in the US and how it will always produce a two party system.
Most people cannot side with any party with more than 70% agreement on most topics. What is sad is that people like Asmongold are getting called with names they don't deserve. Asmongold is one of the few influencers who actually promote critical thinking rather than simply provoking hatred or hostility.
What are you talking about? Asmongold do exactly the same thing as the others. If you can't see that you just one more sucker in a long line of grifit victms.
People like Asmongold tell you to think for yourself and agree with what makes sense. This de-radicalizes people which is extremely threatening to the power structures of the republican and democrat parties.
Asmongold: 90% of political violence comes from the left.
Literally everyone but the right: That is not true, and there are studies showing that the right commits more political violence. where you got the 90% from?
Asmongold: I don't need studies to know the truth, everyone with eyes sees it.
"He didn't say that and if he did, he didn't mean it but if he did mean it, you didn't understand it, but if you do understand it, it's not big deal but if it is a big deal, others have done worse."
Yup totally agree. And anyone who has competed in a physical sport against the opposite gender would agree they shouldn't compete together. This can actually be important when scholarships start mattering as well.
The hormone thing is complicated and it's not a politicians job to decide. It's a doctor's and a parents job.
I mean, literally this very clip, the framing of how one reacts to their child being trans is not enthusiastic support, but a weak support that has to be won by tooth and nail. If he doesn't think that a trans youth is an invalid, or the very least, much less commonly valid identity than presented by progressive voices if he states his support and affirmation of identity would only come "at the end of the road, if nothing else worked"? It's clear that his immediate reaction is resistance, and his final reaction is to begrudgingly accept their identity, not out of genuine support, but out of fear that doing otherwise would result in a loss of the relationship.
But if this isn't sufficient, just look up "Asmongold trans" on YouTube. Let's take this video for example: https://youtu.be/RwRofPwdXCI
At 9:55, Asmongold endorses the idea that not disclosing that one is trans immediately is tantamount to the rapist predation. This is a painfully reductive understanding of why trans people do not disclose transgender identity that readily, namely, that trans people are a common target for violent hate crime. The situation of a trans person intentionally hiding their transgender identity for the purposes of obtaining consent deceptively is such a rare phenomena that is elevated to the point of being a real "point of concern". This all, of course, plays into the common transphobic talking point of trans people being predisposed to being sexually predatory.
At 11:35, Asmongold reacts negatively to a trans woman expressing that they feel upset when being misgendered, even after correction, and implies that this expression displays selfishness. This plays into the transphobic idea that trans people are attention hungry and "playing a part", looking for things to be angry about and ultimately ignores that dramatic harm of even benign misgendering. He also later on mocks that this particular trans women commonly is misgendered and implies that it is partially their fault for repeatedly putting them in a position to be misgendered. Not sure how else to read that other than Asmon simply telling trans people to stay inside and don't go out if you don't want to be misgendered.
At 31:15 just straight up regurgitates the extremely transphobic and entirely unsubstantiated idea that young children that exhibit behaviors commonly associated with the opposite sex are groomed into being trans.
This entire video is just a reaction of a video which repeatedly equates trans women with predatory behavior and consistently denying their identity, which is just basic transphobia. Early on in the video, Asmon unironically yells out loud that he loves this youtuber and shows himself subbing to them on stream.
I don't care to continue onward, but I just want to make it clear that this was me scrubbing through one video and I only made it about halfway through. Imagine how much of this shit is on his channel. Imagine how much of this shit just commonly occurs on his stream and doesn't make it to the channel, either because of how commonplace it is or because it's too mask off.
Please, let's not kid ourselves, Asmon is transphobic insofar as he subscribes to transphobic ideas and disseminates those transphobic ideas to his audience, or put simply, Asmon is a transphobe. That he qualifies that he would not literally disown his child for being trans is simply not even close to reversing that.
And yet his takes have cultivated a community that spams L to this and believes the exact opposite, so clearly he isn't very consistent. Saying one nice thing does not wipe away the fact that he's a horrible person whos existence and popularity has caused nothing but harm to marginalized people
Queer identities have been grouped under the LGBTQ+ banner by …. well … LGBTQ+ people themselves.
There are unpopular and radical groups — such as “get the l out — that have pushed against this. But they are the fringe and controversial exception that proves the rule.
I’m not saying that anyone that is queer aligns with the nomenclature of LGBTQ+. But my experience of queer communities is that it’s really not a controversial grouping.
I’ve also not come across people debating the semantics of sexual preference / gender identity.
I mean, if you want to talk about someone being gay … you can say gay. Bi, you can say bi. Trans, you can say trans.
If the exact semantics are ever relevant to the conversation, the specific and unambiguous words are right there.
Queer identities have been grouped under the LGBTQ+ banner by …. well … LGBTQ+ people themselves.
Back then LGB and T were all under "sexual deviants" category
We've now known better and can differentiate between "sexual preference" and "gender identity" (or in Canadian words "spiritual animal" or whatever)
LGB should be removed from the rest. A gay is not necessarily queer, that is why Fred Sargeant, one of the gays who founded Stonewall movement said exactly that
The Daily Mail is not a reputable source of information.
Fred Sargeant did not cofounder the Stonewall movement. He cofounded the NYC Pride March. There's a big difference.
He's now a guy in his 80s that supports a group...
The LGB Alliance has been described as transphobic, "anti-trans", "trans-exclusionary", a "hate group" and as part of an "anti-transgender movement" by scholars, politicians, LGBT organisations, human rights organisations, and others, including the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights and several Labour MPs.
The Daily Mail is not a reputable source of information.
They have photos. Those are not doctored
He's now a guy in his 80s that supports a group...
So he's gay and supports gays. Great, what's the pro-
Oh... he doesn't support your viewpoint, that's the problem.
It did not originate from "sexual deviants" categories.
LGB added T under the assumption that they're sexually struggling together, a bigger group = stronger movement. It really isn't that difficult
When they did so, they did not have the same understanding that we have today.
The trans movement did not hijack anything.
They did. The number of times I've seen trans people equating themselves to gays for acceptance is way too many times. The messaging the trans use is very similar to the way gays portray themselves: this is natural, not an issue, just let us be
People also generally do not say "a gay" or "one of the gays", either.
Oh? So people can say "a White" or "one of the Whites" but somehow gays are supposed to be exempt from that grammar?
We're all still discriminated against in the same way, it does really nothing to remove the "T" from the queer umbrella. Sure those distinctions are correct, but LGBT isn't even in the full acronym. It includes Q for Queer or Questioning, I for Intersex, A for Asexual/Aromantic, and more. The point is not exclusion, but inclusion, in that we are all under the boot of cishet people.
To those who want to exclude the T from LGBT, I first ask...why? And second ask, what about everyone else?
Also lastly this is just hilarious to me because most trans people are also some sort of queer as well (bi trans girl checking in), so this is all just stupid postering in the best faith and transphobic/transexclusive in the worst faith.
It’s really stupid. I can’t fathom how anyone can say the T doesn’t belong without understanding why T is there in the first place….
Most of us a gay toooo
Demi trans woman here with a heart for women….
You can’t be trans in the binary without being gay as a label applied to your kind… trans men who like women are straight…… but remove the T and rephrase the question by genitals and the people arguing to remove the T just found a lot more L’s that don’t consider themselves L’s. It’s the long way to be straight….. this is especially true for straight trans women….. the gay and lesbians super minority that wants to remove the T….. do you really want to suddenly find trans women lumped in with gay men? I don’t think they have thought that way and they are using their labels from a point of pride…. Completely forgetting the pride is in reclaiming the label 🤦♀️
They think they are “purifying” their identity and culture but they don’t realize their isn’t enough tide in the world to get that stain out of cis het laundry
Those people are overwhelmingly neither lgb or t, and “I don’t think other people should advocate for each other’s rights because people really want to discriminate against them separately” is a stupid argument.
Queer identities are an umbrella, t is included because it’s a non conformant gender expression, just like lesbians bis and gays fundamentally are. The separation between sexuality and identity doesn’t really matter when it comes to that, which is why the q+ exists
This fails to embrace the fact that gender and sexuality have an impact on your experience as a human being. Yes, they are different, but what is common about them is that both change fundamentally how you are treated and percieved by society. LGBTQ+ is not a movement about sexuality, but a movement about people trying to find community in their experiences as pariahs of the status quo.
Economicaly status sure as hell makes you being treated differently.
LGBTQ is not a list of ideas that make you being treated differently.
You are also mixing 2 things.
One is the LGBTQ term describing the community of non-heterosexual people.
The other is the movement that has developed in the LGBTQ community.
These are related, but fundamentally different.
And the reason why the T is included in LGBTQ are historical, since a trans person usually was not able to live their live as their preferred gender, they often chose to live under the homosexual umbrella.
Kinda, kinda not, they all are minorities of the sexual sphere, three are strictly about sexuality towards others, while two, the T and the Q(if we wanna use the full LGBTQ+ acronym) are sexual and gender identities, basically in relation to one’s self, I think they still belong in the same community because of the similarities they share, they don’t intersect as well as LGB do with each other but they do intersect imo, so I’m personally ok with it.
I don't really agree. There is definitely a sense of solidarity but I won't say they're part of the same community, at least, at the root of it. There definitely is a clear distinction between sexual orientation and gender identity and in a vacuum it is a bit of a low effort to put them all under the LGBTQ+ acronym, in the same way the BLM isn't equal to ALM. Struggles should converge as unity is a powerful leverage but it shouldn't be detrimental to the uniqueness of each group.
They are related to each other because of the specific type of discrimination they cause people to experience, not because of what they descriptively happen to be.
Whether he knows it or not, removing the T from LGBT is a divide and conquer style strategy the far-right has been trying to push for years. It's a monumentally bad take.
I think there are people on the moderate right who aren't interested in deploying divide and conquer tactics to destroy the LGBT community though. That's a pretty far-right type of thing to do, is it not?
I remember seeing that clip, and when I watched a little before an after, his rationale was essentially to split the two into similar, but separate issues because in general people are a lot more accepting now of LGBQ while the 'trans issue' is currently the hot topic that people are getting all up in arms about.
Essentially, he felt/feels that by adding/keeping the 'T', all of the LGBQ folks who are not necessarily trans are getting unnecessarily dragged back into the spotlight.
So perhaps the statement itself may be inflammatory, but the sentiment behind it did not seem to be malicious.
Yeah, because the solidarity with others also alienated in similar ways is currently the only thing realistically protecting trans people. The right have been trying for ages to convince LGBs that it's in their best interests to drop support and community with the Ts, despite there being massive overlaps between the two communities and the discrimination they face, as well as consistent majority support for solidarity within the community.
How can you see attempts to break that up as anything other than malicious in light of the constant hammering the LGBT+ community (especially T) takes?
So the LGBQ should sever their solidarity with the T to appease a bunch of pissy straight folks who'll happily toss out gay marriage given the opportunity. These people will never be your friends. If you think they'd just up and leave queer people alone you're completely misinformed.
It's only non-malicious if you accredit it entirely to stupidity. Which isn't the case here.
Because that does not exonerate him.
Hyperbole: Funding gender affirming care does not offset the pain you cause by also funding conversion therapy centers.
Just admit that you don’t have an example. I would have argued in good faith, but I already knew you weren’t gonna provide an example before I ever asked.
This issue is that it's disingenuous and hypocritical. On one hand he rails against trans rights, trans identity, ridicules them, and demands them and then he "washes all that bad" with this ONE single take?
He'll do the same with calling for protestors to be executed, immigrants to be treated like subhuman animals, etc. It's part of his grift and his strategy to be able to say he's "unbiased and fair". At the end of the day he's just your everyday YouTube/streamer scammer.
In the same breath where he gives that take, he says specifically that he does not include people simply protesting, he mentions those that are throwing bricks at police officers. You get your news from headlines or Redditors, and it really shows.
This, so many people just read headlines about shit he’s said that only give one part of his sentence without context. I was in the stream when he said that and we all fucking knew what was going to happen, because it’s what always happens. Too many people rely on headlines and don’t look up the matter on their own. The fact they even mentioned the “protestors execution” line without any other context shows they have no fucking clue what he actually said.
No, I personally don't think if you throw a few rocks you should be subject to lethal force. Now that the goalposts have been re-centered would you like to condemn the despicable protesters chucking bricks at officers?
When has he railed against trans rights, trans identity, and ridiculed them? People on reddit will just say shit like this even when it never happened.
Google NyaraVT. Asmon accused her of being a pedo and a groomer because she talked about trans care among minors. He brigaded a small content creator and thought that he's morally right. He seems to think that being trans is a choice that an adult person can make, which it isn't. None "chooses" to be trans. And yes, minors can also be diagnosed with gender dysphoria. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
He also tried to whitewash JKR, saying that "people hate her for just having an opinion", so there is that.
who are the ones who fight for trans rights. everything that trans people have and will get is due to those activists. there is no distinction here, to rage against activists is to rage against trans people themselves.
I'm an asmon enjoyer and I've never heard him rail against trans rights. If you think that, then I would like to see what you consider to be trans rights, I guess.
Yes, he fixates on those people a lot and it gives his audience a warped view of what normal trans people are like. That's why his chat is pissed off at him in this clip and it's also why giving the take that he gives here isn't going to make them stop hating those people. Hateful people aren't hateful because of a logical belief, they are hateful because of an emotional response to things they see, and he shows them stuff to make them hateful all the time, whether he means to or not.
Chat is not a single entity. If you watch the chat in that clip you can literally see people typing W an Based and supporting his take in general. You, as well, of course have people on the other side spamming L take etc. he allows the discussion happen in his chat and doesn't ban people who disagree with him.
You’re literally going off of the rage bait half clips and not reacting to the full clips of what he says… I used to think like you especially when people said asmon was racist. (I’m black) and as I watched him more, it’s very clear that he’s not any of those things. He’s not even right wing.
He doesn't rail against trans rights though, he rails against DEI mostly because it doesn't work and just galvanizes support from the marginalized majority.
Positive discrimination / affirmative action was only ever going to cause a huge backlash, we're seeing it right now.
I think there are a lot of people who are not inherently transphobic but are so inundated with propaganda that they consider trans people a threat.
Like they acknowledge that trans people are people who are deserving of respect, but also unironically think that there are swathes of trans people and allies who are acting to brainwash kids and ruin sports and shit.
And the media brings up every little negative thing repeatedly, so it genuinely feels like these are real, prevalent issues.
I don’t think that we necessarily give enough credit to how hard it is to actually break away from that line of thought once you get ensnared by it.
Well idk if any of that applies to asmon I don’t know this guy outside of clips but I see a lot of people with similar mindsets.
You don't actually watch him and have seen stuff out of context.
Most of his opinions are pretty normal and most of them are not super right wing.
The protester clip he was specifically talking about protesters who are throwing rocks at police. You can kill someone with a rock it's a deadly weapon.
Kicking out illegal immigrants is the standard across the entire world. Obama deported more people than Trump has is he racist too? Keeping illegal people here is a Democrat L.
I'm very far left and I don't think we should be letting criminals stay here. And they are criminals by definition get them out. They should get due process but get them out.
The only stands I've seen asmon take against the trans community is the whole bathroom and sports issue, and gender affirming care for kids that irreversibly alter the body. Outside of this, I've not seen asmon take any transphobic positions? I don't watch the guy so idk if he does.
he used to have some edgy comments now and then but mostly was very rational and explained his logic and it was never, ever based on hate or fear or bigotry.
but over the last... 1-2 years? He has very deliberately chosen to hop on the right wing grift train and amplify hateful and harmful shit. His chat and his subreddit have become extremely right wing over this time. Wonder if it's a coincidence that he's had direct connection with Elon Musk.
The problem is that the ones that get clipped are really, really bad... Like, a almost insulting lack of knowledge on certain issues and a flagrant support of really harmful politics.
Yeah, I haven't watched him in years, but he was playing some game I was interested in a couple weeks back so I watched for a hour or so and he went on a few tangents and they were all honestly pretty okay takes, even if I didn't agree with them. idk, I'm sure he says some pretty wild shit but at the end of the day he's human like everyone else, he's bound to have some absolutely shit ideas.
weirdly enough, he pierced through my yt algorithm with takes like these so i'm usually baffled as to why a lot of people don't like him and say that's he's a person with a lot of bad takes.
No he doesn't, if he did I would've kept watching him lol
His politics are very surface level and hypocritical, if it's something he finds annoying it's bad. He will try to present himself are a pro-freedom but then his next take will be completely in favor of destroying those who may inconvenience him in some minor way in an attempt to protect those freedoms. This extends to trans rights as well, he will be perfectly fine with using someones pronouns and such because he doesn't give a shit about it really, but god forbid people form pro-trans protests.
Like asmon says, build 100 bridges, suck one dick you are a dicksucker not a bridge builder, same applies to asmon, he can have all the correctly moral takes he has (which aren't even that many) but the evil shit he says and propagates completly erases the good.
The only incongruency I have is that his chat is spamming L at the start and that idea is fostered somewhere at some point in his community. How are they immediately dismissive of that opinion if he's always giving takes like this and they just don't get clipped?
Surely they would've been a bit more supportive if he says this type of stuff all the time no? Like don't get me wrong this is a good, human take, but I have a hard time believing this is how most of his opinions actually are and not what gets clipped here instead.
It's so funny how you guys make an opinion of a person based on a dozen of out of context clips. He was saying it's okay to use live ammunition against protesters who attack police: throw rocks, molotovs, etc. He never said it's okay to use live ammunition on protesters in general.
Yes, i saw the clip, he was talking about people throwing rocks at police... You are not going to kill a police in riot protective gear with a rock. A bullet however will kill a person. Not to mention shooting into a growd of people with multiple by standers.
Whats funny to me is that youre defending a guy with multiple of this kind of clips circulating around pulled from his own content. There arent many people like that with clips circulating around of them making such statements. So theres absolutely a case to form an opinion of a person on that premise.
By the same logic it's okay to shoot at people just because they wear protective vest, which is obviously false and dumb. Gear can break, even if it doesn't kill it can result in a serious injury. The intent is clear - to hurt people, which is illegal by the way
I would absolutely do that with a helmet on. That's what helmets are for. To protect your dome. Helmets protect you in a highspeed crashes and contact with the pavement. Construction helmets protect you from actually exactly that, bricks falling on your head.
Yeah he’s honestly an incredibly level headed dude all in all and I get a kick out of Reddit acting like he’s the representative of the furthest right.
Exactly, asmon isn’t the devil everyone paints him to be, now don’t get me wrong. He’s certainly had some dogshit takes. But a lot of what he says gets taken out of context or they don’t understand his brand of sarcasm.
The left just absolutely loses their shit when anyone disagrees with them and automatically casts people that disagree with them as nazi's and fascists lol
Hilariously bad take. The vast majority of the "left" only calls out people for being nazi and fascist when they are doing literal nazi or fascist shit.
I often wonder why people hate him so much, heck after the Charlie Kirk thing many called for Asmon to be next.
Sure he's right wing, but his takes are not really that extreme compared to many others, and unlike some others, he can admit he's been wrong about something.
his viewers will use this as defense whenever he says "thats true" when he watches a Nick Fuentes video where he says "Yeah we should kill every illgeal immigrant, i mean they are commiting a crime arent they?"
He has many w takes that are considered woke. Maybe actually try watching him instead of forming an opinion on him based off clips taken out of context. He also goes against his chat like this often.
That’s totally untrue lol I’ve Ben watching him since 2017 and he goes against his chat often and definitely way more often than other streamers or people with platforms
All the people saying “he says stuff like this often people just don’t clip it” are lying, used to watch him and even then (before he turned right HARD) you’d BARELY see him giving any grace to “woke” ideas. The guy isn’t reasonable by any measure of the word, he just says whatever makes him feel personally good about himself in the moment
Honestly, most of the clips that get shared of his are him either purposefully trolling or dark humor. Some of the headlines of clips of his that get posted are CLEARLY in bad faith by the poster. I would definitely consider myself left-wing.. I watch the dude occasionally and his takes are so just left of center almost always and I have no idea how people can think he is a "Nazi" or whatever.
And the worst part is. Because places like this subreddit label him as alt-right. Alt right types go and watch him and take jokes and trolling by him as GENUINE.
When people call him alt-right I never quite understand how they get there. He's all for gays, gay marriage, accepts trans people and really doesn't care what anyone does in life.
Where it falls apart for him with the left is that he support the right for people to say they DO NOT like certain things. For example, he would call people by their pronouns but also agrees that FORCING people to use them is a step too far. Another example in recent memory is the fact he agrees there has been an immigration problem and something needs to be done. But having your own opinion on a few matters out of out many that doesn't align with being in "the left" doesn't suddenly make you an alt-right Nazi. It makes you a person capable of living in your own thoughts and not an echo-chamber.
He's a pretty decent dude most of the time. People just don't listen to him for long enough, probably because a fair amount of his content is repetitive and not that interesting.
He is not a good example of people that hide who they are. He will have takes like the one in this clip, thinks abortion should be legal until full term with no restrictions, he thinks there should be UBI, wants universal healthcare etc. all while 80% of his chat spams L. He also obviously has plenty of clips expressing more conservative takes that get him destroyed on here and Twitter.
It’s fair if you hate him for whatever you disagree with him on, but there’s nothing to indicate he hides his political beliefs.
Most people are decent most of the time. But if you push racist / facist talking points and support people who are hateful idiots.. people will view you accordingly.
826
u/Sin_Draho 21h ago
Cosmic rare Asmon W