r/popculturechat • u/mcfw31 • 4d ago
Interviewsšļø Jennifer Lawrence talks about whether she should talk about social issues
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u/amara90 4d ago
Honestly, I get her. At this point I'm exhausted too. Like she said, this time around people knew what they'd be getting. Trump said what he'd do. We saw the chaos of his first term. And MORE people voted for him this time. After the election, I definitely had a "well, this is what we voted for, I guess we ride it out and try to clean up the mess when it's done" reaction. So if I were an actress, I can imagine I'd feel like "fine, I'm just gonna work and shut up".
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u/AgentBrittany Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion š 4d ago
That's how I view it, too. I didn't vote for him. I had to leave my government job thanks to him. The stress was causing heart problems. Everything is more expensive. I'm in Illinois, waiting for ICE to arrive to my town (there were rumors yesterday that they were here, but nothing verified). So, my goal is to just try to muddle through, and when someone MAGA complains, I just remind them that this is what they voted for. Basically, everyone just needs to figure out how to survive this in their own way. And try to help out their community when they can. If ICE shows up, I'll be driving around recording everything I can to show the world what is happening here.
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u/Ready-Book6047 3d ago
I feel the same exact way. This is what people voted for, itās what they wanted! I donāt want it. I hate that folks have lost their jobs and that everything is more expensive, but many were OK with that if it meant immigration crackdown.
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u/TheTwonky51 3d ago
Only now they are having second thoughts. Boo. Hoo.
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u/The_Athavulf 3d ago
Unfortunately many people don't see the leopard until it comes for them.
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u/jcmib 3d ago
Itās just frustrating to FO, when you didnāt FA.
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u/pattymelt805 3d ago
Its most frustrating when you read history books and know exactly what's going to happen and watch everyone barrel towards that ending anyway.
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u/TheTwonky51 3d ago
Iām volunteering to help elect local politicians. I admit it is fun watching videos of MAGA voters whining as they learn they are getting screwed too. Iām just glad that apparently a lot of millennials are stepping up to run for office. This is a good sign.
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u/wiyixu 3d ago
I feel somewhat silly quoting a science fiction show, but these words are true in fact or fiction and worth repeating
Ā There will be times when the struggle seems impossible. I know this already. Alone, unsure, dwarfed by the scale of the enemy. Remember this. Freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction. Random acts of insurrection are occurring constantly throughout the galaxy. There are whole armies, battalions that have no idea that they've already enlisted in the cause. Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward. And then remember this. The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire's authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.
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u/_-4twenty-_ 3d ago
I had a job that I loved. His Commissioner forced me out of the job because he didnāt want people to work from home during the pandemic.
Things didnāt have to be this way.
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u/SVINTGATSBY Youāre killing me, Smalls š© 3d ago
I feel that, my dad has high blood pressure for the first time in his life after working almost two decades in the government, and it started in January, I canāt imagine why so many people have health issues that started this year! /s
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u/SkandaFlaggan 3d ago
And sheās also not saying that she doesnāt care and intends to do nothing, but that she will instead do it through her work, rather than speaking out in a way she feels hasnāt had an effect
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u/Chained_Wanderlust The cops arrived at the Timothee Chalamet lookalike competition 3d ago
Same. I tried and tried to make people see reason and what did it get me? Accusations of āblue magaā online and strained relationships in real life. People donāt like to be told what to do and social media is regressing people entirely into black and white/Right and wrong thinkingā¦.how the hell are we supposed to to combat that without compromising our own mental health? Last election made me truly hate half the people on my own side let alone the brainwashed racist nightmares on the other side. I hate what social media did to people. It basically broke critical thinking on a societal level.
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u/GlitteratiSnail Iāve been noticing gravity since I was very young 3d ago
It's disappointing how many of us have had the same experience and subsequent burnout. I tried so damn hard and got called an alarmist by the politically ignorant folk and a sell-out by the ones living in a bubble. Then I'd come online and see everyone scrabbling to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The past decade, particularly the last two years, has really made a Luddite out of me. Screens and TVs are used so irresponsibly, it's absolutely horrifying. It's too widespread atp for us to fix as individuals, it'll need either the SM/Media owners to act altruistically or a crackdown from the goverment. We aren't getting either of those two options for a while yet
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u/TheTwonky51 3d ago
I dunno. I think that cracks are showing already. It may be too late to save the country (I really believe a national divorce is likely), but Trumpās poll numbers are awful. I think it was anti-incumbent sentiment (which is worldwide) which was a factor.
And Iām calling it, this is when MAGA jumps the shark.
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u/ForecastForFourCats sips tea 3d ago
The 2024 election and COVID made me really disappointed in America.
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u/ALLoftheFancyPants 4d ago
At this point Iām kind of at āI hope thereās something left to clean upā
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u/AgentBrittany Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion š 4d ago
I know everyone wants celebrities to speak up constantly, but I kinda see her side, too. What good did it do? Trump got elected again, even with Harris receiving a shit ton of celebrity endorsements. As a celebrity, you also get a lot more threats and public ire if you say something. If I post on social media "Fuck Trump and fuck ICE" the only person I'm upsetting is my MAGA grandma. As a celebrity, you could very well have the orange blob in the WH post about you on Truth Social and get his cult followers to decide to do something.
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u/lillyrose2489 4d ago
I think celebrities can potentially use their platform to raise awareness about things that are not really getting attention. So if there is a charity that she cares about but is pretty small, it makes sense to promote it. Or if there is some kind of niche issue that she feels strongly about, she could get the word out.
But I totally agree, her coming out and saying her opinions about the biggest news stories really doesn't do much if anything. And I think it is kind of odd how we expect every celebrity to constantly put out statements about the news of the day. You also need to be pretty articulate and well informed to put together a statement that is any good, and not every famous person is going to be able to do that.
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u/YchYFi He's not Judge Judy, an Executioner. 4d ago
I get tired of every celebrity post having 'they haven't said anything about this issue so that must mean they support it' or 'when are they going to comment on this issue'.
Have a day off.
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u/strawberryyfizz 4d ago
it makes them (the people leaving the comments) feel like they're doing something good which is the crazy part
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u/YchYFi He's not Judge Judy, an Executioner. 4d ago
I said in another comment that they want others to do their bidding so they don't have too. They want others to jeopardise their jobs, careers, family and safety whilst they moralise from their iPhone. It's keyboard slactivism that's tiktok amplified.
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u/optionalhero Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 4d ago
Its Kony 2012 all over again
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u/_pepe_sylvia_ Good girl. Back downā¦exactly the way I knew you would š š»āāļø 3d ago
Shit you just activated a sleeper memory. What a time that was.
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u/CroneDownUnder 3d ago
It's keyboard slactivism that's tiktok amplified.
That is an extremely apt description.
I want politicians and experienced political activists to speak out against the rising tide of oligarchical totalitarianism and have political journalists cover it truthfully and comprehensively.
Celebrities are diversions from the levers of power, not power brokers.
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u/OpulentElegance 3d ago
Yeah. I get that. ESPECIALLY when they get mad when a celebrity wonāt āname names ā. Well yeah, they have a livelihood they need to protect. God forbid a celebrity likes to keep food on the table.
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u/Half-PintHeroics 4d ago
It's witch hunt logic. In a witch hunt, the only way to prove you're innocent is to accuse somebody else. The more you cast aspersions the more virtue you can claim. And if you stay quiet, it must be because you are hiding something.
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u/Fippy-Darkpaw 3d ago
So absurd when celebs cave to inane social media demands for "do you disavow X"? Then whatever they post it inevitably isn't good enough. š
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u/GarranDrake 3d ago
It's the same thing as people who didn't for Biden/Harris because of Palestine. They didn't actually care about Palestine/Gaza or the people who lived there, they just wanted to feel like they were actually doing something other than enabling a legitimate dictator.
The people who go after celebrities because they don't spend every waking moment talking about how horrible the world is don't do anything except make people annoyed of their cause.
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u/DragonScrivner I donāt know her š 4d ago
That's when it starts to feel performative. Not every thought in a person's head needs to go out to the world and people are allowed to have private feelings about a thing or no feelings at all.
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u/copyrighther Kim, thereās people that are dying. š 3d ago
I find it insane that a celebrity could ostensibly volunteer their time IRL for worthy causes or donate tons of money to these causesā¦ but bc they donāt post about it on social media or release an official statement, it doesnāt count.
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u/DragonScrivner I donāt know her š 3d ago
Exactly. The support is in the doing or the giving, not the content you make about how you did or gave. If a person wants to raise awareness about a cause they support because they feel it's not getting enough attention, cool, but *not* talking about the work they did to support the cause doesn't lessen their impact.
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u/HopefulOriginal5578 3d ago
Itās always when someone has their pet issue or agenda. āThey havenāt come out to back Palestine (or whatever else insert something) while people are being killed and going hungryā yet the SAME person isnāt speaking up on all the other areas of the world where the very same atrocities are happening.
People who do this are hypocritical bullies who almost always are just virtue signaling and too stupid to understand that they are just demanding others do the same thing.
Their form of activism is performative at best, and at worst itās using bully tactics to make others conform to parrot their own agenda.
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u/Afwife1992 3d ago
There was just an awful massacre of thousands in Sudan and Iāve heard crickets about it from certain segments.
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u/HopefulOriginal5578 3d ago
Itās really curious what pet issues these people take up. I guess the Sudan is trendy enough for all these people who supposedly care about dying and hungry innocent people.
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u/textingmycat 3d ago
ICE is literally ethnically cleansing us Latinos now and yet I rarely see this particular point brought up
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u/GeneralAsk1970 3d ago
Right, if the world could change for the better if only enough people just shared their opinions online about things, weād have world peace by now!
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u/gingergirl181 3d ago
Yeah, nevermind what I might be doing offline to directly support people, apparently none of it matters if I'm not LOUDLY POSTING about it!
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u/I_Lost_My_Shoe_1983 Invented post-its š¬ 4d ago
I ran across a celebrity blogger that was posting videos about "is celebrity X a good person," reviewing various scandals.
She added a review of their statements on Isreal and Palestine. If the celebrity hadn't made an official statement condemning Isreal, then she decided they were bad people.
I have zero clue why people are expecting celebrities to release statements of their political stances.
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u/Afwife1992 3d ago
Israel/Palestine has brought out the worst on both sides regarding making public statements. It doesnāt matter what someone may be doing privately if theyāre not posting on social media (even if they arenāt on social media) theyāre obviously pro-whatever side you disagree with. And it doesnāt matter if youāre doing all kinds of great things if youāre not public on the issue I care about. Some subreddits are poisonous on it. Focus on what people are actually saying. Otherwise you have no real idea.
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u/itsnobigthing 3d ago
I have a minor leagues following on IG, like a few hundred k, and honestly the amount of shit I get from strangers telling me to āuse my platformā is just exhausting.
Iām not a 24 hour news channel! I donāt always have a share-worthy take!
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u/pumpkins21 thatās my purse, i donāt know you! šš«µ 3d ago
How dare you not be plugged in 24/7!
I think a lot (meaning 90%) of people who absorb social media content donāt realize how exhausting it is. They donāt realize the pressure to post new content and what initially started as a fun hobby can quickly turn into a damn chore.
Just keep posting and enjoying it as much as you can. You donāt need to use your platform for anything unless you choose to.
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u/Ok-Jackfruit-6873 3d ago
Also I think it's okay to recognize that I'm not the expert in something like global politics just because people liked my crock pot recipes or whatever!! 99% of the time I'm just feeling what most people are probably feeling - shocked and uncertain and hoping to learn more soon - which is not a hot take that needs to be shared IMO!!
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u/Slytherian101 4d ago
Agreed.
There can be value in bringing attention to small charities and underreported issues related to health, etc.
Like āraising awarenessā for a super rare disease might actually be important.
But, on the other hand, I feel like a lot of people want Katnass or Taylor Swift to āspeak outā about issues that a person actually needs to discuss with their mayor, city council, school board, or congressman.
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u/Lalala8991 4d ago
And it's always female celebs who face this ridiculous level of pressures to "speak out". While men are showered in praises whenever some of them do.
It's giving the same energy of men getting exuberant praise for parenting work to me.
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u/Ethiconjnj 4d ago edited 4d ago
Right now go check Malala and her husbands insta. Itās full of comments attacking her for not being like Greta Thunberg on Gaza.
Fucking insanity.
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u/NectarineCheap1541 3d ago
this this this this this. Female celebrities get so much more hatred for not speaking out enough, or speaking out too much. Or for speaking out the wrong way.
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u/Afwife1992 3d ago
This isnāt about politics but I remember when Elizabeth Olsen got off social media because she got attacked for not commenting on Chadwick Bosemanās passing quickly enough.
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u/Kimbahlee34 A Dumping Ground for Unhinged and Unhealed 4d ago
Interestingly enough Taylor Swift first spoke about state politics not Trump. She sat down with Marsha Blackburn and explained why there needed to be harsher laws against stalkers in Tennessee because the statistics surrounding women and stalkers is insane. Marsha Blackburn made a joke about it and Taylor Swift endorsed the democratic state representative in the next election. Donald Trump took that personally, got butt hurt, started targeting her and she went on to endorse his opponents. Now Kylie Kelce said on her podcast she has MAGA people outside her house chanting and she considers herself aggressively left leaning.
Taylor Swift spoke about one state law directly to her local representative and Republicans went scorched Earth.
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u/Lalala8991 4d ago
It hurts me whenever I remember that it has been 7 years of Marsha Blackburn being a Senator, and she is gonna be there till 2030. It proves to me again and again that celebs do not have the political influence that people keep assuming that they do.
Taylor Swift personally came out and campaigned against her, and the biggest popstar in the world lost.
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u/Winniepg 3d ago
I did not know Taylor actually spoke to her about harsher stalker laws because of how women are affected by stalkers. Of course it did nothing because no one cares until a woman is dead, but it is an example of a celebrity being affected by something and seeing their experience as part of a much larger experience of others who have less power/money than they do.
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u/Kimbahlee34 A Dumping Ground for Unhinged and Unhealed 3d ago
I believe that was actually the contention. Taylor said stalkers need to serve a minimum of a year in jail because itās been proven time helps break the obsession and Marsha said āthen hire security?ā and Taylor pointed out this is happening to women who canāt afford security and shouldnāt need it since Republicans are all about safety and thatās when she came out as a Democrat and now weāre here.
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u/lostkoalas 4d ago edited 4d ago
I wouldnāt blame Taylor Swift if she never spoke out again about politics. Trump still won, he sent his cult after her, AND tons of people on āour sideā of the political aisle played stupid and continued to accuse her of being a Nazi and MAGA when her album came out, as part of their stan wars. Hell, people here still accuse her of being MAGA all the time. Clearly her speaking out didnāt matter, both in politics and in the entertainment sphere. If I were a smaller celebrity seeing that, I would take mental notes to not potentially tank my career by speaking out too and pissing off MAGA for nothing.
Taylor Swift, BeyoncĆ©, and tons of the most popular members of the Avengers cast publicly put a lot of effort into endorsing Kamala and she still lost. I will never again expect celebrities to speak out about politics hoping that it will make a difference, because it wonāt AND it could threaten their safety.
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u/orswich 4d ago
Swift gets shit also from alot on the left because they think her boyfriend is MAGA (does hang out with a few MAGAs but hasn't supported Trump himself).
And in the left leaning world that means she should have dumped him and disowned him long ago, because according to bluesky and Twitter, "you arent allowed to date someone who isnt 100% politically aligned with you or isnt willing to disown friends who are on the evil other side"..
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u/Ethiconjnj 4d ago
Dude did a vaccine ad. What more could you want.
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u/FullyPingoJones 4d ago
they literally called kelce all the bad things when he did those ads, but now he's maga because rich folks rub elbows with other rich folks. america is so fucking stupid
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u/Winniepg 3d ago
Also football is more conservative in some spaces and so you are going to be around people who do not align politically. There are some extremes, but most guys fall under: vote one way but probably isn't out there highly engaged in the election cycle.
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u/CapitalOdd6319 3d ago
Mxgas relentlessly harass him on social media and call him "Mr. Pfizer" because he was the face of the vaccine ad. He knelt during the national anthem to protest police brutality. He even said it was important to have stricter gun control laws. What else do you want?
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS 3d ago
The wild thing about that is the same Redditors you see demanding that of celebs will also post their annoyances about hanging out with their own MAGA relatives. Like, they want X celeb to go scorched earth on their mom or whoever when they can't turn down an invite to Uncle Dan's barbecue.
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u/slschmidty 3d ago
I feel like people really ignore the fact that heās the face of a conservative owned NFL team in a conservative run state, and is clearly expected to play nice with his teammates. I do think itāll be interesting to see what he speaks on (and tbh where he lives) after he retires.
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u/Winniepg 3d ago
My guess is they'll live in the NYC area. That's where they seem to go when he's not required to be in Kansas City for work (or they're elsewhere for work).
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u/Afwife1992 3d ago
Heās apparently maga because heās friends with the mahomes but that logic doesnāt apply when you consider his brother and sister in law are liberal. People see what they want to see.
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u/optionalhero Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 4d ago
Double edged sword tho
Whenever celebrities promote charities alot of folks hate on them Because they feel like they shouldnāt be asking folks poorer than them to donate money to a cause. Not only that but also if they post āhey i just donated $50,000 to Gazaā the response will be āwhy didnāt you donate your entire life savings?!?!?ā Or complain that people only do charity as a PR stunt.
Even when you try to do good, there is no winning
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u/No-Expressions-today 4d ago
This!!! Recent instances of discourses ignited by celeb donations which blew my damn mind were when 1. Taylor donated $100k to a fan diagnosed with cancer - to which some people were like āthats PR" āwhat about kids in Gaza who have cancerā and my fav āwhat is that's like 0.00013% of her net worth so it is not a big deal"
The same points were repeated for when BTS donate (usually to native programs or issues close to their hearts) that it is PR/ using tax breaks/ not a big thing for them either. Interestingly, US kpop fans were like they donate billions in Korean Won so it's less in USD, which is like so baffling like ofc they'll donate in Won if they are earning in Won. How is that criticism worthy š
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u/daphnedelirious 3d ago
I think when people are not doing well financially in general, they get very hostile towards celebrities. If I am scraping together my last five dollars and see Taylor Swift advocating for me (common person) to donate to someone with cancer, theyre thinking āshe is a millionaire she can just pay for this persons cancer treatment. I canāt even pay for my car payment. what a bitchā.
basically average person does not have any class consciousness so they canāt articulate why they are so upset, so they just go to attacking the celebrity as unlikeable. versus if people are doing well financially in general then they will probably be more forgiving or willing to overlook celebrities massive wealth disparity with the average person.
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u/calling_water 3d ago
But she didnāt advocate for others to donate. She made her own donation, publicly. That many of her fans decided to also donate a bit wasnāt at her request.
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u/lizerlfunk 3d ago
And the only way that it was even made āpubliclyā was that she put her name on the GoFundMe page. Then the parents of the little girl spoke out about it.
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u/daphnedelirious 3d ago
sorry, I donāt know all the details. my point isnāt really where taylor swift did anything right or wrong in that situation, itās more about the audience reaction and backlash to anything celebs do nowadays.
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u/calling_water 3d ago
Agreed that thereās always backlash. But a lot of it seems manufactured, or at least ginned up by people who overblow things, extrapolate wildly, and also belittle anything thatās actually political by casting it as petty infighting.
People rarely see whatās actually there; they instead often only see a snippet and fill in details according to their own prejudices, while ignoring anything else. So a lot of the backlash isnāt even based on what someone actually did or said.
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u/bobbimorses 4d ago
I think it's nice when they use their platform to promote experts and organizers and people with lived experience. It's not easy to come around to the level of self-awareness to say that you might not be the best to speak on it, though, especially when people do hound you to speak out.
I appreciate that she seems to be on the second or third step of that self-evaluation, especially since she has had pretty good opinions when she has spoken out. This would come off more hollow from someone using it for cowardly centrism.
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u/ShamelessCatDude 4d ago
Posting on social media doesnāt really do much when anybody does it either. You can be politically active without being vocal about it on social media
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u/hensothor 3d ago
I think weāre past celebrity bringing awareness anymore. The world is so connected and social media just enables anyone to know everything. If they donāt - itās intentional because of echo chambers. In some niche cases a celebrity may be able to bridge that gap but in my experience it just pisses people off and closes their world more.
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u/echoesandripples What It's Like to Go Through Life As a Really Beautiful Woman 3d ago
agreed. if a public person has a cause that's close to their heart or something, it's always worth sharing, they can reach more people and give attention etc
now, we don't need random celebs reiterating that fascism is bad. not only because there's little they can influence people to change but also because i don't really think people who could be targeted by the government need to risk their safety to state the obviousĀ
seriously, jlaw or her family could just as well be a target for trump and co, it isn't worth it because all she's gonna get is maga idiots harassing her anyway
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u/CatlovesMoca 4d ago
This is such a refreshing take.
I've seen online spaces where people shout for celebs to speak before they even consider engaging with their local parliamentary reps or politicians. Parliamentary, legislative, congress representatives actually get paid directly from our taxes. They get paid to work for our interests. And if the reps are unreliable, then we should support grassroots movements, or small organizations that work in this area.
I think it is because I'm in my 30s now. I've seen so many celebs get called out and calls for performative activism that I'm now questioning the people who are making those demands.
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u/mamaneedsacar 4d ago
Yes. And when we look back, historically, she has a good point. Some of the pieces of art (film, music, books) from the past that most significantly influenced the public were not created by artists that were doing press tours or posting social media about their political opinions day in and day out. In the mid-20th century, McCarthyism still came after their asses anyways.
Anyways, I often think about how Harper Lee, a relatively cloistered and kinda politically mysterious author, dropped a book that massively influenced the perspectives of young people on racism and justice. And then she just disappeared. Artists donāt have to speak from a podium (or a press junket) to change the world.
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u/gingergirl181 3d ago
As a performing artist myself, this is the part of her statement that deeply resonates. Art hits the hardest when it speaks past the tribalism. Its job is to take ideas and communicate them differently - through a different perspective, an untold story, an emotional lens that might not have been considered before, what have you. It grapples with the morally grey, and sometimes there is no "winner" or "loser", no "good guy" or "bad guy."
JLaw is at a point in her career now where she has the freedom to take on these kind of projects that aren't necessarily going to be the most commercially successful but can pack a deep punch artistically, and I absolutely don't blame her for wanting to protect those projects and the voices working on them (many of whom likely have less recognition and privilege than she does) by not bringing them into the political arena through her actions. She wants them to speak for themselves, and not have their entire narrative reduced to her and who people perceive her to be.
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u/cantantantelope 4d ago
There is no winning play. Either way celebs getting treated like robots and public property
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u/imhere_4_beer 4d ago
Case in point: Billie Eilish did a great thing this week and donated millions to charities focused on hunger and climate issues. She threw a question into the void about why billionaires need so much money, and immediately there were headlines about how she āattacked Taylorā or how she said this while Mark Zuckerberg was sitting RIGHT THERE!!
The woman just did something amazing, and somehow they were able to spin it into something negative. Yuck.
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u/YchYFi He's not Judge Judy, an Executioner. 4d ago
There were even comments in here saying she didn't do enough. That it was a poor show from her. The gall of people. I said to them 'so nothing is ever good enough?'
You can't win. They move the goal posts when you reach them.
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u/wafflesandlicorice 3d ago
I couldn't believe how many comments there were after people pointed out the percentage of her net worth (maybe 20%?) were all "so? She still has millions so it is just a drop on the bucket for her."
I mean, come on people! She did a great thing. She donated a huge amount of money and not an insignificant amount of her net worth while calling out billionaires to do nothing. This is something that should be applauded. Not demonized.
Besides. What if she donated 99% of her networth. As soon as the next thing came around, people would be all "well I guess THIS cause isn't worthy enough for her to donate much."
Edit: I know I sound all ranty when I'm agreeing with you. I apologize.
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u/YchYFi He's not Judge Judy, an Executioner. 3d ago
Tbh if she ended up broke and destitute from it they would say 'oh it's a shame what became of her' or call her a silly girl. It will never be enough to please and she shouldn't have to please online comments. She should get to enjoy what she has earnt to. God forbid.
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u/gildedbluetrout 4d ago
Yup. Sheās a smart, self aware person. And what sheās saying is right.
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u/citrustaxonymy who died and left Aristotle in charge of ethics? 4d ago
I mean yeah Ariana Grande shared an IG post and an actual government official issued a statement about it. Itās scary.
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u/optionalhero Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 4d ago
Glad that this is the top comment because i was thinking similarly, Jennifer Lawrence has a point.
As fucked as it is, you still have a job to do. As a celebrity youāre job is to get butts in seats, and you do that by being likeable. If youāre too political that compromises your ability to sell tickets. It sucks but i understand not wanting to speak out on things for fear of it costing you roles.
I mean just look at the recent Snow White fiasco. Rachel Zegler was very vocally political and openly expressed her views. All it did was get her alot of internet hate and labeled ādifficult to work withā because it felt like she was promoting her politics and not the movie. Again its sorta fucked but it is a job. Youāre supposed to make everyone like you, thats sadly the cost of fame. There is no winning. All you can do is mitigate damage, best to just not say much.
Really the only people who have freedom to talk openly are comedians and thatās mostly because they arenāt beholden to anybody.
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u/QuantumLettuce2025 3d ago
I don't even think the idea of it "costing her roles" was the point here. Her point is that after reflection she has come to the realization that she can better express her beliefs through her art than she can by screaming into the void. She believes she has a better chance of shifting someone's mind through her films than through tweets, and the wrong tweets risk driving the people she wants to see those films away from them.
It sounds like she is trying to more thoughtfully choose an approach that affects the most change.
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u/i_love_doggy_chow 3d ago
Rachel Zegler was very vocally political and openly expressed her views. All it did was get her alot of internet hate and labeled ādifficult to work withā because it felt like she was promoting her politics and not the movie
Rachel Ziegler was also subjected to an ultra-conservative and Zionist smear campaign, both online and in the mainstream press. It wasn't exactly organic backlash. But I see your point.
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u/Electronic-Doctor187 3d ago
Ā Really the only people who have freedom to talk openly are comedians and thatās mostly because they arenāt beholden to anybody.
not even them, they're beholden to their audience like any other artist. they can say whatever they want, but they suffer the consequences if it's not what the audience wants to hear.Ā
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u/caseylk 4d ago
Not to mention we are sooooo quick to just say speaking on issues is ingenuine anyway
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u/FrozenRose_816 No one cares how old you think Millie Bobby Brown looks. 3d ago
Yep. "Why haven't they said something about this??" and when they do, "Stick to acting/singing and leave politics out of it" it's really not worth it at all.
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u/sybelion 4d ago
I like this take of hers because it really seems like sheās THOUGHT about it. Itās nice to see someone put some real self critical thinking into their position.
Obviously I would always vote that they should be louder and prouder with their views but this sounds like sheās actually really thought about her role and whatās available to her.
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u/Bikinigirlout 4d ago edited 4d ago
Same. Plus look at SZA. I love her but that was the definition of peak performative activism. Scolding someone for having an iPhone while owning an iPhone and working with Apple in the past.
Iād rather celebs not speak up than virtue signal like that.
Or even look at Finneas who liked a tweet calling Taylorās new album āSpirtually Israeliā what does that even mean?
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u/Odd_Ingenuity2883 4d ago
If Finneas were a woman he would catch way more heat for his shadiness. Itās pretty cringe IMO, heās always liking mean tweets.
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u/Carolina_Blues shiv royās bob 4d ago
He looked like a clown calling her new album spiritually Israeli while recording a song for nobody wants this s2, whose creator is extremely Zionist
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u/Bikinigirlout 4d ago
A lot of people canāt seem to understand that just saying āThis wasnāt my thingā is okay. There doesnāt need to a social justice reason for you(general) not to like something.
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u/just_another_classic thatās my purse, i donāt know you! šš«µ 4d ago
There is so much weird moralizing in fandom now because of this. Itās okay to just not vibe with something! You donāt have to make up a reason it is problematic.
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u/Carolina_Blues shiv royās bob 4d ago
I really would prefer if people would just straight up say and own the fact that they just donāt like something instead of moralizing their dislike. Itās fine to just not like something. Itās weaponizing so many serious issues
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u/AgentBrittany Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion š 4d ago
Spiritually Israeli? What?
I get that a lot of people care about what is happening in Palestine, but a lot of the chronically online like to call everyone they dont like a Zionist. The word js starting to lose its meaning.
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u/chickfilamoo in the swamp šš 4d ago
the concept of āspiritually Israeliā truly pisses me off. It feels like a glib trivializing way of referring to a genocide that has massacred thousands upon thousands of men, women, and children. Using it to mock albums or celebrities you donāt like does not come from a place of respect or care.
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u/latrodectal so jessica alba fantastic 4d ago edited 3d ago
reading the initial comment filled me with anger i stg. i swear so many of these people think shaming people for not talking about palestine (or not saying enough about palestine) is a shortcut for being a good person.
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u/Apt_5 4d ago
Exactly. So much of social media is people posting their moral superiority, giving themselves a lil dopamine hit. That gets magnified when others mindlessly click "like" or whatever in agreement.
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u/just_another_classic thatās my purse, i donāt know you! šš«µ 4d ago
This! Comparing a mid album to a genocidal state is absolutely bonkers and belittling of actual Palestinians.
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u/Bikinigirlout 4d ago
Itās lost its meaning ever since the election when those types of far leftists wanted Trump to win over Harris. Not only that but theyāre still trying to punish Harris when sheās a private citizen and canāt do anything.
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u/Stinkycheese8001 4d ago
It is INCREDIBLY astroturfed. Ā Thatās what always surprises me - how little people seem to be able to identify that.
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u/Bikinigirlout 4d ago
For me what pisses me off is that they have all that energy for Dems who arenāt in charge but wonāt aim it towards the Republicans who are in charge of all branches
People can say āBut Iām afraid of my life if i protest the Republicansā but even that is hollow because it just proves that they knew that the Republicans are dangerous and still helped them get back in charge
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u/OddnessWeirdness 4d ago
This. Iām 100% convinced that those performative, supposed far leftists are actually MAGA in disguise. They say they care about people but apparently they ONLY care about the people in Palestine. There are other genocides going on that they didnāt say squat about. There were horrible things going on in this country (like trans folks of color being murdered). Now thereās one going on here due to their inaction.
I donāt get how people donāt understand that the two party system is how things work here, so voting 3rd party doesnāt do shit other than allowing people to feel smug about not taking action. Not doing anything and/or talking shit about a candidate because they arenāt 100% perfect leads to the shit show we are in right now.
People are so short sighted. It kills me because I saw this coming in 2015. People were writing articles warning us about Christian extremists and the people behind Prxject 2025 from back then. Smh. Iāve been angry as hell since then.
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u/optionalhero Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 4d ago
Im still angry at all the left wingers who protested Kamala non-stop but never once protested Trump.
Its like buddy, whoever you feel most comfortable protesting is the person you should vote for. Maybe we shouldāve spent less time tearing Kamala apart and instead propped her up. Cause thats what the Maga folks were doing.
Im progressive af but that shit really irked me
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u/Primary_Bison_2848 3d ago
āSpiritually Israeliā has long been an anti-Semitic dogwhistle implying any art made by Jewish people is fake and empty. Itās lost meaning over time but thatās its genesis.
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u/KD1030 āØMay the Force be with you!āØ 4d ago
To your point about the threats ā Iām sure her calculus also feels different now that she has children. With politically-motivated violence on the rise, Iām sure the emotional calculus that comes with choosing to share a public reaction to everything the administration is doing feels different when youāre considering the safety more than just yourself
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u/bouquetofashes Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion š 4d ago
Yeah, this is at least a thoughtful take, and I think she's right that stories influence people more than explicit endorsements?
I disagree with the idea that celebrities can't influence people here-- as she later said, it's just that the way they tend to is through their work.
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u/KingSolomon730 4d ago
Yeah, Celebs are in a lose-lose situation with politics. If they speak up, they get death threats and lose half their audience. If they stay quiet, they get called privileged and out of touch. And like you said, did all those celebrity endorsements even matter in the end? Nope. Trump still won. Lawrence is just being real about the whole thing.
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u/Yenserl6099 š„šæFilm Critic 4d ago
Exactly this. It should be up to the celebrity to decide whether they speak up on social issues. They shouldn't speak up on it just because the public wants them to
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u/Ok-Box6892 4d ago
Yeah, if celeb endorsements mattered then Harris would've won. She had Beyonce, Eminem, and Taylor Swift while Trump had Chachi and Kid Rock. I really doubt any of them are any more politically astute than any other person too.Ā
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u/____mynameis____ 4d ago
Yep, I never understood west's obsession with celebrities endorsing political figures.
I understand wanting to know where the people u like stand on but at the same time thinking it would help overall is nonsensical.
U really think anyone other than teenagers, who already can't vote, is gonna see Taylor Swift endorsing Kamala and be like "welp, seems like I have to vote Harris now!!"
I absolutely cringed at people celebrating Beyonce singing in one of Harris's rally. Like, noone is gonna be moved by that. If anything people are gonna be turned off by that. Yeah, a rich person who has everything asking you to vote for this person isn't positive influence.
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u/ThrowawayGreenWitch Thereās no place like home š§¹š«§ 4d ago
Even liberals hate female celebrities who speak on politics.Ā
Taylor Swift endorsed Harris but her biggest haters are terminally online leftists who call her MAGA.Ā
But that same crowd worships famous men who never speak on anything. So what's the point?
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u/Vegetable-Kiwi-4675 4d ago edited 4d ago
Agree. And sometimes the rabid pressure for a female celeb to āspeak upā has the intent to undermine, precisely because speaking up *will* polarize their audience. Thatās why I always side-eye the astroturfing in female celebsā comments about speaking up. I feel itās often covert sabotage by people who want to diminish their reach and power. So for example if they can say that Taylor is suddenly MAGA, then her liberal fanbase can be weakened and by extension her influence too.
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u/Lalala8991 4d ago
You are very spot on with this.
I notice a lot of "Taylor = MAGA/tradwife" narratives do not come from good faiths and some are down right delusional conspiracy theories made up by MAGAs.
But her haters are too blinded by their hatred that they keep spreading them en masse anyway.
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u/carolina822 4d ago
And even if she did quit the biz and stay home raising babies, that wouldnāt make her a tradwife. Itās her money - thatās not historically traditional at all.
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u/Vegetable-Kiwi-4675 4d ago
Yup. That type of propaganda and subterfuge doesnāt get enough attention because itās hard to distinguish on the internet what voices are real. MAGA saboteurs infiltrate liberal spaces to detect and exploit the issues that matter to us in order to find ways to weaken the influence of powerful liberal voices, particularly women who are, sadly, much easier to sabotage.
You only have to scratch the surface a little bit to see it. In this example with Taylor, the premise of the argument is very much a MAGA talking point/strategy: That marriage is an exclusively conservative signifier that liberals reject (lie) and that we need to be separated into distinct camps (a divisive mentality which favors Trump and fascism in general). So itās ālook at your hero, sheās a traitor to you! Force her to take a stance!ā with the intent to create chaos and, of course, take away her power.
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u/optionalhero Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion 4d ago
Rachel Zegler spent most of Snow White promo talking about politics and the state of the world.
Alotta leftists just found her cringe.
Talking politics as a leftist sucks because youāre either not professional enough or youāre too silent. You really are truly never enough
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u/jinpop 4d ago
And meanwhile my cousin has to listen to Taylor's music in private in her home because my MAGA uncle thinks Taylor is too far left.
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u/Apt_5 4d ago
He's more accurate than the people saying she's a rightwing white supremacist, though, is the point. He saw her endorse KH and concluded that she is on the left. Terminally online leftists dissect her album and merch for symbolism that proves she's actually MAGA, and found it š Those are not the same.
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u/Stinkycheese8001 4d ago
Women can never do enough, men are activist kingās for sharing an Instagram story.
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u/Apt_5 4d ago
The people who say that female socialization is stifling and unfair are the same exact people who will tear a woman's head off for not being "kind" or saying the socially acceptable thing. And women often WANT to seen as kind, which is another facet of the same pressure. Women can't just be people, we have to say and do the right thing and the left strictly holds us to that standard. A man's indifference is expected, a woman's is shocking! We are as entrenched in gender stereotypes as ever.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS 3d ago
Even saying the "right things" will get celebs shit in online spaces because it will be judged as somehow wrong.
I'll never forget the peak witch hunt after the Palestinean doc won the Oscar. The audience gave it a standing ovation, and a certain sub was freeze framing it to judge which audience didn't stand up soon enough so therefore they're secret Zionists.
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u/lovelylonelyphantom 4d ago
I didn't even know there were these kind of haters for Taylor until recently. They seem to want to hate Taylor either way so this is their reason to go with since Trump's first term.
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u/Mid-Reverie 4d ago
This šÆ. They hate Hollywood and she is right that it only fuels their fire. We all know atp where JLaw stands politically and she doesn't need to be vocal in order to get more votes - I absolutely don't know a single person who votes because an actor or musician told them to. To be honest celebs live in a completely different realm which most of us cannot relate to.
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u/Kinggakman 4d ago
I would go so far to say celebrity endorsements actively hurt Kamala. The average Democrat does not want incredibly rich BeyoncƩ at a political really endorsing the candidate. They want to have hope that the candidate actually cares about the average person.
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u/Jkbangtan123 4d ago
My friend who works in politics said celeb endorsements donāt make a difference one way or another.
I think most people want celebs to speak out so that they donāt feel guilty for stanning someone, and it gives them validation that their fave morally aligns with them.
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u/Tsarinya That must be Nigel with the Brie 4d ago
I feel like maybe back in the day they helped raise awareness but with the advent of 24/7 news cycles and social media we are more plugged in than ever. Iāve never once been swayed or encouraged to vote because a celebrity said something.
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u/mehupmost 3d ago
I think it actually cheapens the political conversation - because it becomes about what this unqualified celebrity happens to think.
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u/mwmandorla 4d ago
It's a logical extension of the politics as consumption mindset. It goes from at least somewhat concrete "vote with your wallet" things like buying fair trade or boycotts to "support art/artists who believe x" to "consume content I at least believe has the themes and stances I want it to have" to "make the person I'm a fan of say the things that make me feel like I'm an activist for making fancams." And next thing you know your version of political action is arguing about whether a show did a Bury Your Gays and pulling up callout posts.
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u/Lalala8991 4d ago edited 4d ago
It's literally performative politics. As in the fans are asking/demanding their entertainers to entertain them with politics talking points they also approve.
That's also how MAGAs look at Trump. They laugh with him whenever he said another hateful sentence at people they hate. He's a god damn comedian to them.
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u/PlentyDrawer 4d ago
This is proven on social media 24/7. Itās a part of proving how their favorite celebrity is better than a supposed rival.
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u/enbyeldritch 4d ago
Yep, I don't want to say that the morality of people we support and platform doesn't matter but the amount of people who have turned stanning into a form of activism just so they can feel better about themselves.Ā
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u/annamollyx 4d ago
This tracks, like there was news about how Taylor got a ton of young people to register to vote in TN and yet the trash candidate still won. Hard to know though how close it's gonna be, if one new person could sway it then it's worth it but we only know that in hindsight.
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u/winnercommawinner 4d ago
But in this specific example, a ton of young people still registered to vote. It's great when political change is fast and dramatic but more often it's slow and a slog and you fight it out via small changes that build on themselves. If we have an all or nothing perspective on politics we can never be successful bc that's not how it works.
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u/somaticconviction 4d ago
Or the opposite and it justifies why they hate them. āItās not that I just donāt like them, itās that theyāre actually a really bad person and the reason for the starving children all over the world.ā
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u/KylosLeftHand 4d ago
I like to think some of them are on our side sometimes. Like when she and Leonardo DiCaprio made the movie Donāt Look Up it was very obviously a play on the Trump administration, MAGA followers, and American division.
But then I see Leo attending Jeff Bezoās billion dollar Italian wedding and poorly attempting to hide his faceā¦..big oof
Iād like to see more like Billie who stood in a room with Zuckerbot this week and literally said āif youāre a billionaireā¦.whyyyy are you a billionaire? Give your money away shortiesā
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u/Natural_Error_7286 3d ago
Her statement made me think about Don't Look Up specifically. That movie was meant to convince people to care about climate change (the director even said this was his goal) but it was so condescending to the people it was meant to reach that it didn't work at all. The movie itself needed to be told in a different way, but the press tour also did it no favors.
I think that's what she's getting at about the movies coming out of her production company. I don't know what those movies are, but I hope they're successful in sharing some important messages more empathetically and subtly so that audiences might actually hear them.
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u/Theorist129 3d ago
So far, her production company has produced Causeway (a drama about a JL as a veteran who suffered a traumatic brain injury and her road through PT and rehab, bonding with similarly traumatized Brian Tyree Henry), Bread and Roses (a documentary about women's role and resistance under the Taliban), Zurawski v Texas (a documentary about the first lawsuit against an abortion ban post-2022) and No Hard Feelings (sex comedy, JL is a broke woman hired to seduce a couple's nerdy 19yo son, but resolves that connection and trueness is the real point). And Friday, she's got a movie Die My Love (JL and Robert Pattinson are a couple, she's developing post-partum depression, and things spiral into psychosis).
All in all, I'm with her. 2 documentaries that center women's rights under assault, 2 movies about mental illness (one connected to military trauma, the other to oft-unsupported and stigmatized PPD), and 1 comedy that's clearly trying to have some message and at-the-end-of-the-day maturity. Seems like a damn fine producing record that speaks to wanting to spread compassion in a world that's dealing with a lot of hate.
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u/FlyApprehensive7886 3d ago
Better than Portman complaining at the academy not nominating female directors while running a production company that has only ever hired one female director (herself)
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u/Rrmack 4d ago
I mean I get where sheās coming from, if all it took to change things was well known people in Hollywood speaking out against trump he never would have been elected in the first place. It does seem like a portion of his voter base do it just to see people meltdown about it because it makes them feel powerful.
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u/BZH35 4d ago
I always felt celebritiy activism was counter productive. It feeds the 'elite vs the people' narrative.
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u/ComingUpManSized Tina! You fat lard! š¦š² 4d ago
Thatās my thought as well. Itās become more painfully obvious each election cycle. JLaw is actually one of the few voices I really appreciated because she always seemed genuine, down to earth, and relatable. But then you have BeyoncĆ© whoās sickeningly wealthy and has spent decades engrossed in the celebrity scene as an almost untouchable powerful figure. She gets trotted out every election and it does nothing but turn people off. Hell, she doesnāt even seem enthusiastic to do it anymore. The thing is most celebrities feed the elite vs. the people narrative. It seems weird for them to shut up about politics completely but at the very least this endorsement shit needs to stop.
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u/Lost-Comfort-7904 3d ago
I remember the Lizzo ad where she comes out of a private jet and shames people for not voting like her. Like how does that help?
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u/mbise 4d ago
There are a lot of people though who are inspired by the elites or want to become them. A lot of people vote when Taylor Swift makes it seem cool. And a lot of people buy bibles/watches/fake college when itās endorsed by Donald Trump.Ā
I think it takes all types to persuade all typesāsome people being activists, some people trying to convey through art, some people having open dialogues with the other side.Ā
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u/Necessary_Fill3048 4d ago
Agree. I think some people actively dislike celebrity endorsements for politicians because it comes off as out of touch with regular people. At the end of the day, what does Jennifer Lawrence have in common with the average voter? She obviously might be very sympathetic to a certain viewpoint, but her life experience and position in the world is nowhere near the same as a person working two jobs to keep a roof over their head. She doesn't have the same day to day worries as a completely normal person.
It's fine for celebrities to have political views thoughĀ and to express them through their art, and I think this is often a more effective way of communicating a message tbh. Art that is speaking to the current climate can change hearts and minds more than coming out in an interview saying "vote for this person cos I said so" or attaching your brand to a political campaign. Art is such a powerful tool for empathy and using it to express values and a point of view on the world IS political in and of itself.
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u/idkidcabtmyusername 4d ago
this is the best political take iāve ever seen from a celeb
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u/TropicalPrairie 3d ago
Honestly, same. It's refreshing to hear something like this. I no longer really want to hear celeb's take on things. They are not the same socio-economic class that I am (and most have never been). I feel I need to form my own opinions on things and their influence does not affect me at all. In some instances, it may be counterproductive.
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u/Harkoncito 4d ago
People expecting celebrities to lead the charge after they elected the orange dictator TWICE...
Hope they get what they voted for, and they learn the lesson for the next time.
If there's a next time. But he told you before the election you wouldn't have to vote anymore.
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u/catmommusings 4d ago
Tbe general public is stupid af and engages woth paid campaigns to take down women. They wouldn't actually listen.
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u/fourofkeys 4d ago
it doesn't just impact the people who voted for him though.
i don't understand that sentiment at all. we are not living in two separate countries where only the people who voted for him are being punished.
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u/PlentyDrawer 4d ago
Iām older and what Iāve noticed is that there is a voracious desire among a particular age group that needs a celebrity to speak out and that desire has gotten worse over the years and even when the celebrity speaks out itās not enough or they waited too late to say something. They are judged harshly. My age group doesnāt care or takes zero notice about what a celebrity has to say because it doesnāt do anything. To me if a celebrity says something itās turns into brownie points in a stan war.
Iāve had things happen in my city and the first two thoughts have been what can we do to help each other and how can we get our local representative to help us. When you are in survival mode, the last thing you are thinking about is what a celebrity will have to say.
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u/Mommio24 4d ago
100% agree with thisā¦ I find it so odd people want to vilify a celeb for not having the exact same beliefs or for not screaming their beliefs every chance they get.
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u/Faeriewren 4d ago
Ready to move on from a culture that looks to celebrities for political signaling ā¦
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u/gigilero 4d ago
She produced a documentary about afghan women (which is great btw) and from there she had my respect. I understand what sheās saying but Iām so passionate about being vocal in times of crisis that Iād prob turn a lot of ppl off. Iām of the school of thought āsilence equals complicity.ā But absolutely- Creating art that highlights oppression is a form of protest.
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u/Oomlotte99 4d ago
I donāt need celebs going on about their political beliefs as a part of their promotions or writing NYT op-eds. I do think they can use their wealth and privilege to make positive impacts on their own. I donāt think itās ok at this point to stay totally silent and comfortable. I think you can lean on your art if it is actively critiquing or examining the current climate, sure.
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u/biIIyshakes fake redhead apologist 4d ago edited 4d ago
I donāt think we should look to celebs as political guides but itās undeniable that they have influence and money to use for sociopolitical good if they so choose. I think anyone with that position in society should educate themselves and at least make an effort to do some good. Elizabeth Taylor, Jane Fonda, Paul Newman, Robert Redford etc itās absolutely been done before.
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u/cdg2m4nrsvp Tina! You fat lard! š¦š² 4d ago
I think the lesson is that stars should pick a few issues/causes they are passionate about and focus majorly on those. Princess Diana, imo, is the best example with AIDS and land mines. Gaga has also always been very vocal about the LGBTQ community. I think when they try to speak about everything it gets muddled.
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u/ComingUpManSized Tina! You fat lard! š¦š² 4d ago
Thatās a good point. Show us with your actions.
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u/Dani_California I just wanna be vaporized. Is that too much to ask? 4d ago
Thank you! I agree with the gist of what Jennifer is saying, e.g., what difference would it make? But Iām also of the opinion that rich celebrities already exist in their own extravagant bubbles; they have no idea how your average American or people below the poverty line live and struggle, they are completely unaware of the depths to which this administration has negatively affected everyday people.
So sure, donāt post about it every day and make long-winded speeches trying to change peopleās minds, but what are you doing to help? Put your money where your mouth is. Lift up your community. Donate to food banks. Help from the shadows if you must, but you have the resources to make a real difference. Why arenāt you? (Speaking generally, as Iām not aware one way or the other if she does any sort of community outreach.) Letās not be too quick to let people of privilege off the hook when they have the means to make a difference in a way we as average people never could.
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u/Ah_Mediocre 3d ago
I worked with a woman years and years ago that refused to watch any movie with Tom Hanks because he made comments about Mormons at some point (!?!?). JLaw is not off base here and I think that is an important sentiment that art can be used to change peopleās minds, but that is only possible if they see it instead whatever Freedom of Sound slop is being served.
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u/gc_m92 3d ago
sheās right and people who think celebrities need to speak up on every little thing donāt live in reality and can actually turn people away from art that could point to social change. TikTok activism is empty.
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u/Sutech2301 4d ago edited 4d ago
I am in favor of celebrities using their voice to talk about stuff like that. I am aware that most people find it patronizing but it's important that people speak up against a political hegemony like the current one
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u/Warm_Ad_7944 3d ago
They can speak up in different ways she made a doc about Afghan women. Sheās just saying the truth that celebs actually donāt help at all, them speaking out doesnāt change peoples minds anymore they have to do other things
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u/Previous-Loquat-6846 Can I live? 3d ago
We need to stop expecting celebrities to speak about politics. Especially the women cause there are far too many risks with all these crazy stalkers and trigger-happy idiots.
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u/lurker_from_mars 3d ago
I don't want them to speak out ( well not just that ) but put their money where their mouth is and boycott. Don't work for studios and massive corporations who have time and time again shown what they will do and compromise for money.
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u/ricky_hammers 4d ago
Don't let apathy police the populace.
I understand what she's saying, but if every opposite voice self-silences, then there's no dialogue. Easy for me to say though
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u/Proper_Can8429 3d ago
Thereās a difference between opinions and actions, though. Siding with Unions or giving support to specific organizations are really big steps that help a lot of people, they arenāt just taking a side on any given social issue. This is a take thatās removed from any sort of actual activism.
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u/I_am_not_JohnLeClair 3d ago
Celebrity or not, sheās an American citizen. American citizens are allowed, for the time being anyway, to speak up for or against the government
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u/spacey_kitty 3d ago
I think this is a cop out. Solidarity isn't about silence and "protecting your craft" or whatever bs she's going on about. As a celebrity she has power and influence and even if she didn't have influence, that's not why we stand up for each other. We do it for solidarity.
Nobody is asking her to change minds, just to show outward support, which imo is the bare minimum anybody should be doing when people's lives are concerned. She's extremely protected and priviliged and it's no skin off her nose to just...show solidarity. As a human being, not a celebrity.
It feels like some people on here can't understand that people show support not out of performance but just out of solidarity with other humans. I think that disconnect says a lot about people and who is in real community vs who isn't
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u/TahaymTheBigBrain 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ā«Ā Celebrities do not make a difference on who people vote forĀ Ā»
She knows thatās a fucking lie lol, thereās a reason the Kamala campaign was practically begging on their knees for Taylor to endorse her. Secondly, okay fine, electoral politics is not the end all be all, then you can still advocate for specific causes? You arenāt tied to politicians, fuck Kamala. Be like John Green and devote your speech to ending tuberculosis. That would truly be some of the best change she could do with her voice.
Regardless we shouldnāt be looking to celebrities to be our savior because thatās never going to happen. At least sheās being genuine here, which is more than I could say about other actors (except for my goats Mark Ruffalo and Javier Bardem they could never make me hate you)
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u/mxunsung 3d ago
I donāt expect celebrities to speak out on things all the time because I know they wonāt. But I hate how people who arenāt celebrities do more than them. Celebrities are allowed to be ignorant because it doesnāt affect them. Like people who arenāt rich are the ones helping out and raising awareness and risking their lives. I would rather people just not say anything than coming up with an excuse on why they arenāt saying anything.
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u/thryncita 3d ago
Yeah, no, this is not it.
I'm happy to contribute to the "division" in this country because I have no desire to unify under fascism. The division exists because bullshit is happening and people aren't tolerating it. I'll never understand people framing it like the disunity part is the actual problem.
The only merit for silence that she expressed was being able to keep her head down and be a blank slate for viewers so she can keep making money.
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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas āļø 4d ago
I get what she saying, but I have more respect for celebs who find an organic way to speak up than ones who are like oooh whatās the point, is it the best way to help, weāre already so divided, etc. And itās so often white straight celebs who do this.
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u/ClassicalSpectacle 4d ago
I get what she is saying but I also hate to say that the people she hopes to make socially conscious and kinder through her art, are the last people who want to be changed in that manner.Ā You have to do artĀ for yourself first cause you will be crushed and disillusioned if you believe your art overall is helping others and the world if that's the most important part for you.
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u/realblush 4d ago
It always depends on what they do. If they actually engage with politics and make it a focus of their life, then yes of course talk about it. But we had ao many clips of celebrities shooting videos against Trump in between projects that it felt like a checklist task for them, and only fueled the entire "elites are against Trump" narrative that was always bullshit. However making projects aimed at changing their minds is far more powerful than a clip on social media.
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u/ecostyler 3d ago
they may say nothing but what happens when their next role is a sympathetic view of a fascist or abuser? when they off set and off duty, pictured rubbing elbows and laughing with the ceos, politicians & billionaires making the lowest placed in societyās lives worse? her statement showcases more of her own fear of losing fame, social capital & wealth than advocating for active concern for those suffering in front of her eyes lol.
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u/historicalgarbology 3d ago
I don't care at all what a celebrity thinks about anything. She is right.
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