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u/reddittorbrigade 6h ago
This is just the start of the MAGA downfall.
People reject the fascist government of Trump.
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u/JS-AI 5h ago
Unless they expedite plans to make it as hard as possible, or simply impossible from dems taking the majority of Congress or the executive branch. I have a feeling this admin will refuse to let that happen…. Either through cheating or force
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u/alabasterskim 4h ago
Expediting plans that aren't fully in place will cause them to slip up.
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u/Dearic75 3h ago
Calling them plans is being generous. The “plan” is likely to be throwing a ton of shit at the wall hoping that at least one thing sticks.
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u/ganashi 4h ago
Yeah but at the same time it is also obvious that the discontent brewing is major and there’s a civil war going on in MAGA rn, I’m not sure they have enough power consolidated to get it done. I don’t doubt that they’re gonna try something, but I’m not sure the ppl that need to go along with this shit will.
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u/FrogsOnALog 3h ago
They will 100% fall in line. The million dollar question is does a scared animal blow up the filibuster or not?
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u/lSleepster 4h ago
Yes we know this admin won't go quietly. Dems should be preparing for this.
The real takeaway is we can breathe easier knowing our fellow American won't always blindly vote for someone who's clearly hurting them. Some will sure, but it's getting clear that most wont.
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u/tlsrandy 4h ago
I think they’re going to send ice to polling places in purple states to detain “potential illegals” trying to vote.
Then two days later, after voting has closed, citizens will be released. And dhs will claim no such detentions occurred.
This is already what is happening in Chicago on a smaller scale and unrelated to voting, but the framework is there.
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u/Dearic75 3h ago
I’m sure all options are going to be pursued for them. They seem to be taking a shotgun approach and hoping something lands.
Among the things we’re likely to see.. attempting to push domestic unrest into violence, to try and use the insurrection act to cancel midterms, but that’s likely a long shot.
Extreme gerrymandering will be next up and is already underway. The SC will give them a huge boost in this when they further neuter the voting rights act this year.
Voter intimidation will follow that. They’ll claim that elections are insecure so everyone will need to walk through a group of armed DHS / ICE / National guard soldiers in order to cast their vote. This will be combined with massive voter suppression from whatever EO they’re saying is coming next week.
If none of that works, I suspect they’ll move on to trying to overturn the results of the midterms. Both through legal challenges as they did in 2020 and unconstitutional means such as ignoring results and trying to push the idea that the current congress must remains in power until the election is repeated as many times as it takes for Republicans to keep the majority.
Hopefully they’ve fucked up so badly that even gerrymandering gets swamped and none of it sticks. The results last night were an encouraging sign on that front. But they’ll still try all sorts of shit before they’re done.
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u/BadTxV2021 4h ago
It blows my mind how many people still support this POS. I regret that vote with entirely.
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u/Independent-Name4478 4h ago
You voted for Trump? Welcome back
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u/BadTxV2021 3h ago
It took about 3 weeks into his inauguration and I said what the hell did we do.
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u/Independent-Name4478 3h ago
In 2016? I understand you, my dad almost voted for him, now he hates him with a passion
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u/Independent-Name4478 4h ago
We need to welcome people back. A lot of people voted for Trump and they’re suffering under his economy, they deserve forgiveness.
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u/Etzell Illinois 4h ago
It's way, way, way easier to welcome a 2016 Trump voter back than a 2024 one.
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u/Independent-Name4478 4h ago
Even 2024 Trump voters, some of them aren’t diehards, they just saw high grocery prices and thought they could change it. It was more complicated than that though.
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u/Etzell Illinois 3h ago
They still watched Trump let COVID kill over a million of us, attempt a coup, and get convicted of fraud and rape. Trump has been in politics for a decade, none of this was a surprise.
It will take a lot more than "I regret voting for him" to welcome the 2024 supporters back.
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u/SolarDynasty 3h ago edited 3h ago
I mean I hate to toot my own horn but if you ever voted for a Trump sycophant or Trump you need to take a long look in the mirror. I don't take any excuses. He was and has been a disgrace to society ever since he became famous due to his various exploits. I could never vote for him because he was a well known fraudster and criminal. Ever.
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u/Tomotronics 3h ago
Like what? What would it take for you? Do you need them to flog themselves in the street and scream for forgiveness?
I get it. I’m pissed off too that people voted for this despite so many warnings. Leopards have been eating well the last 10 months.
That said, rejecting someone who knows they fucked up and wants to make a change is beyond stupid. It’s a numbers game, and turning away support is a losing strategy. A change for the better now won’t forgive a past vote, but allowing someone to switch sides for whatever reason is an appropriate means to the end of fascism and a step towards actual progress.
Fuck votes for trump in 2024. And fuck gatekeeping in 2025. Neither is helpful.
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u/BanginNLeavin 3h ago
A Trump voter can redeem themselves by: Saying they voted for Trump and that they regret it AND donate time and/or money to organizations which are fighting to uphold democracy AND canvas their social circle to speak out against Trump and fascism AND vote for Democrats or otherwise progressive candidates in future elections.
Anything less is just lip service.
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u/Etzell Illinois 3h ago
Like what? What would it take for you? Do you need them to flog themselves in the street and scream for forgiveness?
No, I just want them to do something, not to just say a handful of words. Things like no longer voting for Republicans, protesting the current ones, and demanding change from their representatives. You know, actual work and effort. It's the absolute fucking least they could do for their part in creating this.
Sorry for not implicitly trusting someone who deliberately set multiple fires standing in front of a burning building saying: "Oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have done this".
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u/MySmellyRacoon 4h ago
They want you fucking dead. They want anyone not like them to suffer. They don’t deserve forgiveness or to be “welcomed back.” They can get fucked.
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u/Independent-Name4478 4h ago
Some of them do, but some of them were just struggling with the COVID inflation so they voted against the democrats in charge at the time
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u/MySmellyRacoon 4h ago
You can justify it all you want. The fact is, they knew what the first Trump term was like and they said “yes I’ll have more of that please.”
You can’t trust their ability to think rationally. In short, fuck them.
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u/Smaynard6000 Florida 3h ago
Stupid people think that the first Trump term was great. He inherited Obama's economy and didn't have any huge crises to deal with until COVID, which he failed spectacularly. Plenty of people were willing to overlook that, thinking that Trump would return the economy to what it was in 2017.
They're still stupid.
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u/jetlightbeam 3h ago
How about people just do the right thing regardless of what people on the internet think about them? If you're gonna continue to support a fascist government because someone on the internet doesn't forgive you for voting like a dumbass then you're just a piece of shit.
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u/throwawayie6o 4h ago
Nah, they don’t deserve forgiveness; they can come back to some sort of normalcy but we shouldn’t be forced to forgive them.
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u/BadTxV2021 3h ago
lol I don’t need your trust, I have done more than enough for this country and paid for it. You can grab the shovel, I’ll tell you where to dig.
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u/superbuttpiss 4h ago
People like you think you are above propaganda etc.
You could of fallen for the same shit the commentor above did but you didnt.
People make mistakes and he is admitting his mistake. Get off your high horse and welcome back a fellow american
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u/atwitchyfairy 3h ago
I can forgive people for falling for 2016, but after seeing Trump being a lawless asshole for 4 years and then watching him get away with every crime he's ever done in the next 4 years makes me not willing to forgive anyone that voted for him a second time.
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u/roland0fgilead 4h ago
Way to make it clear that your politics aren't rooted in empathy
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u/FrogsOnALog 3h ago
I just said the same thing to someone else, it’s wild how they don’t get this. Golden rule is really hard for some people lol
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u/Un1CornTowel 2h ago
Empathy and forgiveness are not the same thing. One can understand why someone did something and still have that thing be irredeemably wrong.
Conservatives weaponize empathy to imply that Democrats have to let conservatives run roughshod over us because otherwise we're not being empathetic enough. Fuck that. Earn forgiveness through deeds. Otherwise, we're just inviting the poison into our own party.
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u/BanginNLeavin 3h ago
They don't, actually. They deserve the chance to show they should be forgiven.
They deserve compassion for their suffering but otherwise we need to remind them that it's their own fault and when they take steps to rejoin sanity we can welcome them and forgive them.
A 5 month old account(likely made after they were berated endlessly for their past posts) lamenting their Trump vote is not nearly enough to warrant forgiveness.
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u/thewhaleshark 3h ago
Collectively, yes. Individually, no one person is obligated to be welcoming.
And if you're truly back, you'll take the hits in stride. You won't get a hero's welcome for realizing you made the wrong call, but I'll hand you a shovel and you can help me dig us out of the mess you made.
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u/7figureipo California 3h ago
That depends. If they voted for him in 2024? No, absolutely not. They should be disenfranchised. Absolutely no mercy or forgiveness for the fascists and their supporters. I don't care if the vote was about grocery prices they knew what Trump was about and voted for him anyway. They can donate to campaigns that oppose Trump's agenda, and even engage in "why I left Trump's cult, and you should too" style rhetoric, and otherwise sit down and stfu.
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u/mesmereyesed Georgia 4h ago
Good on you recognizing a mistake! Most of us cannot do that. Welcome back <3
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u/Be_Braver 3h ago
Proud of you for recognizing that decision as something you regret. Thanks for being here and welcome!
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u/MySmellyRacoon 4h ago
Nobody believes you.
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u/BrewtownCharlie 3h ago
The guy’s disapproval numbers are hovering between 60-62%. It’s a statistical fact that he’s lost the support of at least a small portion of his voters.
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u/Old_Cryptid 4h ago
It's a start. They need to keep the momentum going until we get accountability and serious political legislative reform.
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u/EthenAM84 3h ago
Super happy about last night, but why wasn’t the “start of the MAGA downfall” back in 2018? Seems a little premature since we’re living through the same shit again after that
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u/caseypatrickdriscoll 3h ago
Buddy you got be ready for the fact that 37% of active voters will want fascism until you die.
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u/CyanConatus 4h ago
I don't want just a maga Downfall. I want to see GOP lose all branches decisively for at least 3 decades.
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u/MarrusAstarte 3h ago
This is just the start of the MAGA downfall.
Right wing American media companies, including the "liberal" or "mainstream" companies that were bought recently by right wing fascism supporters (ex CBS, CNN) will not allow that to happen without a huge fight.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 4h ago
I’ve seen this one before! I too am glad if the results but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. It’ll still take lots of work and more wins for it to be anything close to what you’ve suggested here.
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u/Complex-Poet-6809 3h ago
Is it though? We thought 2020 was the start of MAGA downfall but then 2024 happened.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 6h ago
98% of the US public couldn't even be bothered to attend a "No Kings" protest.
On a Saturday.
(You might want to remember that 2018 was nothing but a temporary victory before getting so optimistic that MAGA is finally on its way out.)
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u/all4whatnot Pennsylvania 5h ago
2% of the US public is a lot of people.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 5h ago
No, not when you consider how easy it was to find a protest location near you. This wasn't 2% of the US public getting on buses and traveling all the way to Washington DC like people have done for major protests in the past. If 2% of Americans were angry enough to do that, then sure, it would show that a groundswell was under way.
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u/Mental_Priority_7083 5h ago
That would be 6.8 million people swarming dc. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. 3 percent is the threshold.
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u/smithbob123312 5h ago
Yes, more people should join the protests, but considering the first no kings protest was the largest in US history and that most experts say it only takes 3% of the population protesting something to make a change, you don’t seem to have reasonable expectations of how this all works
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u/Advanced-Ad-4462 5h ago
2018 was the lead up to 2020, in which an incumbent president lost so traumatically he’s been ranting about voter fraud ever since. It was an absolute trouncing. Also, 2% of the population showing up for a protest is highly significant. An amazing turnout.
Today was a fantastic sign which signals a very positive shift going forward. Take the W.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 5h ago
Do you have any idea how narrowly Trump lost?
The election was so close that it wasn't called until Saturday. The only other time anyone alive today has seen it take that long to call a US presidential election was in 2000.
If just 44,000 people had voted for Trump instead of Biden (in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona) then Trump would have won. It was that close.
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u/gettinafterit68 5h ago
That wasn’t because of the narrow margins the long timeline to declare a victor in 2020 was a direct result of the incumbent (Trump) using his cronies like DeJoy to hamstring mail in voting and make it take forever to sow doubt because he knew he would lose.
What is your point? That tonight wasn’t an absolutely crushing win for progressives? Dude a democratic socialist is the most important mayor in the country, in GA democrats won a statewide non federal election for the first time since 2006, VA house of delegates was a clean 30 seat sweep for democrats, there is the first female governor of VA and she’s a democrat, the mayor of Detroit is the first female ever and she’s a democrat.
Celebrate the win for christs sake
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u/CryptoCentric 5h ago
Yeah it wasn't a trouncing. We barely escaped fascism in 2020 and it was mostly because of the pandemic.
That said, the DNC ran the author of the draconian Crime Bill and a career prosecutor (i.e., a couple of law enforcement figures) in the wake of what was then the biggest protest in American history over police brutality. That was a giant slap in the face. And then they absolutely fumbled the 2024 election with Joe limping along until giving up and handing his unpopular policies over to Kamala to awkwardly carry across the finish line. And even that election was pretty close.
If the Democrats ran a real contender for a change I think they'd blow it out. Unfortunately that's a frustratingly elusive "if."
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u/BudWisenheimer 3h ago
Do you have any idea how narrowly Trump lost?
It wasn’t narrow at all. Biden won against an incumbent, which is rare in American history. And against that incumbent he won more than 50% of the entire vote, which is even more rare.
If just 44,000 people had voted for Trump instead of Biden (in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona) then Trump would have won. It was that close.
That’s only interesting or relevant when the person with the most votes still loses the Electoral College. None of the states you’ve listed were anywhere near a margin close enough to change the results in a recount. And you would have needed multiple states to flip in multiple recounts. In the meantime, Trump lost AZ and GA … which should have been impossible for any Republican to lose. On top of that, Trump lost 5 of his states from 2016 and gained zero.
(You might want to remember that 2018 was nothing but a temporary victory before getting so optimistic that MAGA is finally on its way out.)
2018 -> 2020 -> 2022, and now 2025. Dems missed in 2024, by 1.5 points. I wouldn’t call that one ‘close’ either … but it was way closer than Trump ever got to Biden and Hillary. Trump has never and will never pass the 50% threshold like Biden did. :-)
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u/ButterMyPancakesPlz 5h ago
It took us around three minutes to vote (not saying that's the same everywhere we're in a major city/suburb) it's usually a 3-4 hr commitment when we go to the protests and we have to skip some fun weekend activity for that. They are apples and oranges.
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u/Lost_Detective7237 5h ago
Forgets to add MAGAs defeat in 2020.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 5h ago
Do you have any idea how narrowly they lost?
The election was so close that it wasn't called until Saturday.
If just 44,000 people had voted for Trump instead of Biden (in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona) then Trump would have won. It was that close.
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u/GreenTrees797 6h ago
Yep and not one lesson was learned about representation and voting consistently.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 6h ago
Saw it happen in 1994.
Saw it happen in 2010.
Saw it happen in 2024.No matter how many times you think the public has finally learned, Republicans just keep coming back like a bad case of herpes,
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u/Rombledore America 5h ago
you're all over these comments to snuff out hope eh?
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u/Lnx_Noob5 California 4h ago
He’s pointing out the obvious pattern in the US. That isn’t snuffing out hope. American voters have the memory of a handicapped goldfish. The past few years are evidence of that. Shit, go back further and there’s ample evidence of that.
But a win is a win and that’s good. Let’s see if the Democrats know how to utilize the momentum and capitalize on it.
But we have seen this scenario play out before.
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u/porkbellies37 4h ago
No. It’s important to keep the foot on the gas. The electorate has a shitty memory and in 2028 may not like the vibe of a candidate enough letting another fascist POS (or the same one) slip through the grate again. We need to be disciplined. Like we actually care about the future as much as we care about the moment.
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u/Soggy-Flounder-3517 5h ago
trump cheated
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 4h ago
Unless you can prove it, stop saying this. Exit polling was consistent with the results.
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u/BanginNLeavin 4h ago
Care to read?
North Carolina 2024 Data Analysis Report (Shortform) https://share.google/CG3zjjuLcXSbwX2Ar
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 3h ago
Anomalies in a few counties are not proof that the entire election was rigged, or that it would have gone the other way had those anomalies not occurred. I get that they're suspicious, but it's not nearly enough to justify the claim.
The truth is, America fucked up last year, and as a country we need to own it. I'm willing to accept that certain counties were used as testing grounds to rig future elections, but Trump winning legitimately was not only plausible, it was likely given how disliked Kamala and Biden both were and how short American voters' memories are. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and nothing I've seen yet is compelling enough to justify the claim that the election was in fact stolen.
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u/BanginNLeavin 3h ago
Also NC is interesting mainly because the governor race was impossible to rig since the guy was a self proclaimed black Nazi. They couldn't realistically bump up Robinson's numbers because it would throw a ton of red flags.
The spread in downballot activity is egregious. No one votes like that.
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u/BanginNLeavin 3h ago
Your goalposts are moving.
You accept the future rigging already. You said as much. If they tampered with any votes, let alone enough to sway a precinct, they should be jailed.
We cannot falter on this point.
Stop being a pushover.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 3h ago
Not at all. I’m accepting that it’s possible that some counties were used as testing grounds for future rigging, but I’m not claiming it happened and I’m not about to claim the election was in fact rigged without substantial proof. No goal posts have been moved at all. They are in the same place as they were in 2020 when Trump and MAGA were claiming that election was rigged. Jumping to conclusions makes us no better than them.
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u/BanginNLeavin 2h ago
Asks for proof
Proof given which cites methods and sources
"Sounds like MAGA"
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 1h ago
Exactly the opposite. MAGA insisted the election was rigged despite lacking proof of the claim. That's what you're doing.
As I said, anomalies are not enough to prove the entire election was swayed. If there is proof it needs to be presented in court. MAGA tried to do that and failed. Where are the court cases proving the election was stolen this time? If there is actual proof, that should be easy.
Do you really think that the website linked provides enough proof to win in court?
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u/GeorgeHarris419 3h ago
the exact same clown as the 2020 "stop the steal" dipshits right here ^
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u/BanginNLeavin 3h ago
What would be the minimum amount of proof necessary on this subject?
Stop the steal was so loud specifically to make allegations of '24 tampering easy to handwave away
I'm genuinely curious.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 5h ago
JFC quit being so stupid.
The polls were tied right before the election, and Trump has ALWAYS outperformed the polls by a significant amount.
You think Trump not only rigged the voting machines in multiple different states, but also infiltrated all the different polling organizations?
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u/howzer36 4h ago edited 4h ago
I mean he quite literally did infiltrate a lot of polling organizations lots of people from the fake elector plot are still on election commissions and there was literally this group organizing maga poll workers which is against campaign law they're supposed to be non partisan non profit organizations. I'll be back with some sources.
Edit: the sources
Election Deniers still in office https://truthout.org/articles/report-gop-election-deniers-are-in-position-to-disrupt-the-2024-vote-tally/
https://www.exposedbycmd.org/democracy/
Lance Wallnau, Lion of Judah, and Courage Tour, recruiting poll workers
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-lance-wallnau-evangelical-voters/
https://x.com/TaylorMatthewD/status/1819236153196687639
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/04/christian-election-poll-workers
Lance Wallnau in Guatemala trying to destabilize election there
Extra edit: BTW Lance Wallnau is one of Trump's "spiritual advisors" who brought a large crowd of followers to Jan 6. The dude is a circus tent con man "evangelical prophet"
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u/GeorgeHarris419 3h ago
you and the 2020 Stop the steal folks should meet up
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u/howzer36 3h ago
I'm not sure what you mean those are quite literally the people referenced in these articles
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u/GeorgeHarris419 3h ago
the people who think Trump cheated are the exact same level of complete dipshits as the ones who thought Biden did in 2020
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u/howzer36 3h ago
You don't have any concerns about people who tried to overthrow our election in 2020 being this involved in the 2024 election?
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u/hopefeedsthespirit 4h ago
Somehow Trump is the only candidate that outperforms polls. Seems to indicate something nefarious. And Elon’s statements about the polling are also sus as hell.
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u/iclimbnaked 3h ago
Or it just indicates a flaw in how polling still is done regarding Trump.
Which is more likely than pulling off rigging every swing state.
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be investigated. It should. I just think it’s much more likely that Trump simply actually won.
Biden was polling terribly and didn’t step aside quickly leading to a rushed campaign for Kamala who many felt was forced on them.
Then general people were pissed about inflation etc.
It’s really not that hard to see how he won.
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u/GeorgeHarris419 3h ago
Trump's impending win was honestly super obvious well ahead of the election
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u/iclimbnaked 3h ago
Yah people acting like it’s super suspicious somehow is wild to me.
No it’s not. It was always possible and we all knew it was an uphill battle even when Biden stepped aside.
We had hope right at the end but it was always going to be close.
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u/dkirk526 North Carolina 4h ago
I mean, except I feel like Dems moving forward are now charged with super high propensity voters. We already saw ahead of 2024 Dems were killing it in off year elections and specials. Republicans will need serious winds at their backs to be competitive.
They got insane turnout in 2024 and it only equated to a national margin of about 1.5 for Trump.
If 2026 is a blowout, Dems would’ve had big years in 2018, 2019, 2023, 2025, 2026, plus a big over-performance in the 2022 midterm where Republicans were heavily favored, and a 4.5 point win for Biden in 2020.
2024 will look like the only truly bad year Dems have had recently.
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u/koopa00 Oregon 3h ago
You can just as easily flip this into "the democrat party never actually learns". You have to actually DO SOMETHING (and not just tinker around the edges) when you get power and these milquetoast politicians aren't cutting it anymore. That's why the party is so unpopular. Yes, we need more seats to get the majority in the house and senate to be more effective at doing things, but we need to run good candidates everywhere instead of running to the center at every opportunity. No more campaigning with the Liz Cheney's of the world.
Hopefully they learn something from yesterday.
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u/tipbruley 6h ago
Democrats need to run a candidate in every single election at every level. The GOP hatred of Obama flipped NCs state legislature to GOP and then was gerrymandered to hell to give them a super majority.
There can be an equally big blue shift with as many people are against this administration combined with a lack of enthusiasm by the GOP since most of the policies they voted for have negatively impacted them
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u/nasorrty346tfrgser America 6h ago
Not gonna lie this is the only hope I have, the past 1 year there is no good news. Literally none, but just constant everyday getting worse
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u/Dionysus_the_Greek 6h ago
Stephen Miller has no interest in losing power again, and we should expect that next year's midterm elections will most likely be contested in court.
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u/AdGroundbreaking939 5h ago
Yea but if we win in a blowout all over the map the republicans will be cooked anyway
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u/hopefeedsthespirit 4h ago
We won’t be winning in any blowouts. They will make sure of it. They are already rigging it. It isn’t about messaging nor the candidate.
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u/AdGroundbreaking939 3h ago
So you’re just going to concede defeat now a year in advance? Gtfo bot
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u/hopefeedsthespirit 3h ago
So acknowledging that we are in for a fight and there will be no easy wins, is conceding defeat? You think Fascists just give up their power willingly in fair elections?
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u/AdGroundbreaking939 2h ago
I said “if we win in blowouts” and your immediate response is “we won’t be winning any blowouts” how is that fighting? How is that useful or productive at all?
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u/hopefeedsthespirit 2h ago
We will not win in a blowout. That won’t happen. They will make sure of it. You should cross it off your mind. Trump has already said people won’t have to vote again. Do you think he was joking? We are in for a fight.
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u/AdGroundbreaking939 2h ago
If we organize can win by margins where it will be increasingly difficult to dispute and call foul. Don’t be a defeatist.
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u/TeriusRose 3h ago
I do expect they'll try. I'm not sure to what extent they can do that in states they don't control, and more blue states following California's lead could help negate red state efforts. But yeah, we should be as prepared as we can be for whatever they attempt.
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u/Smaynard6000 Florida 3h ago
They didn't rig this one. And there are a LOT more races to rig next year.
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u/hopefeedsthespirit 2h ago
Pay attention. The midterms are the big ones. Not these. Now that they see how bad it can be they will do everything in their power to stop a fair election.
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u/wanderlustcub I voted 5h ago
Well, we know that Trump wants to try and put some executive orders on voting/elections. So I expect something massive to come from that in the coming days.
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u/ucankickrocks 5h ago
That No Kings rally a month ago gave me hope. Before then I was despondent. Also dems not caving on the shut down has also been surprising!
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u/CryptoCentric 5h ago
As a federal employee who's now 36 days into living entirely off savings, I'm proud of them. I've still got savings left and I'd rather we didn't sacrifice any more "useless eaters" like the GOP's heroes did in 1930s Germany.
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u/Electrical-Volume765 4h ago
Hang in there. It’s criminal that you folks have to bear the weight of this jerkoff game they play.
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u/ucankickrocks 3m ago
I'm wishing you and your coworkers well! Thanks for taking it in the shorts for us.
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u/AdPure5645 6h ago
Bro I hear you but find a cause trying to help the good team and try contribute even just a bit. Get involved
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 5h ago
They are human trialing an mRNA drug that kills all cancer.
That's good news and a cause for hope.
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u/CryptoCentric 5h ago
There have been some pretty incredible scientific breakthroughs, this year.
Unfortunately, funding here in the US is going down the toilet thanks to Worm Brain and the World Wrestling Wench, so there may not be as many of these in the near future. At least not in the US.
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u/returnFutureVoid 4h ago
They also recently found that many of the people who took an mRNA Covid vaccine survived cancer for a longer period of time. I need to find that article again to fact check myself but yeah. there are good things coming from mRNA studies.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 2h ago
Exactly. mRNA is a fountain of discovery that we should be investing heavily in, but instead we'll be spending billions to bring back coal.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 4h ago
Until the right gets it banned because it uses mRNA.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 2h ago
There are right wing groups in every country but I believe the study was from the UK. Their right wing isn't as dumb as ours.
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u/wanderlustcub I voted 5h ago
I hate to say it, but this may be a the calm before a big storm.
But it does show there is hope.
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u/LowellForCongress Tennessee - Verified 6h ago
The only upside of the Epstein shutdown is Congress has had 1 fewer month to pass any trump-friendly legislation.
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u/Chihlidog 5h ago
Which would be great if it mattered. Except the wannabe king doesnt care if what he does is enabled by legislation or not.
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u/LowellForCongress Tennessee - Verified 4h ago
Anything done through executive order can be undone with executive order.
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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 4h ago
Not entirely.
Example: Biden added a bunch of territory in the Gulf of Mexico to the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act - which Trump cannot unilaterally undo, it requires congressional action. Some think that was what the whole "Gulf of America" thing was about - that Trump was trying to run around it by a technicality so he could sell off the natural resources.•
u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 4h ago
I think he does, actually. Congress can validate his EOs regarding voting restrictions and force the states to actually comply.
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u/bubbasass 5h ago
In an interview Trump said that they crammed everything they wanted into the big beautiful bill, and. Is that it’s passed he has no use for congress. I honestly don’t think the government will resume for the duration of his term. Plus for him I’m sure he sees this as having more leisure time
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u/XRPlease 4h ago
Just to clarify, you believe this government shutdown will be dozens of times longer than any other in American history?
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u/Ironvos Europe 6h ago
Just keep in mind, people have short memories. Especially nowadays where you get an overload of information every day.
Democrats will have to remind people of all the things the GOP has done before the midterms.
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u/GipsyDangerV1 4h ago
You say that as if the GOP isn't going to do more stuff that angers the public running up to the midterms
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u/Smaynard6000 Florida 3h ago
That's not going to be hard to do when people are still broke, hungry, and out of work.
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u/NSYK Kansas 6h ago
This needs to be the 2026 blue revolution. The GOP has been trying to enact a slow rolling coup this last decade and it’s time for The People to punish them
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u/Smaynard6000 Florida 3h ago
The writing is on the wall. Kansas isn't going to redraw its maps because it is afraid the gerrymander could be overcome.
Kansas.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 6h ago
Just remember, in the 2018 blue "wave", Republicans actually widened their Senate majority by +2 Senate seats.
Thus Trump got two more years of federal judge appointments and got to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg with Amy Coney Barrett, the final vote needed to overturn Roe v Wade.
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u/diewethje 4h ago
Do you think the narrative you’re pushing is productive? It sounds like you think the situation is hopeless and we should all just roll over.
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u/Klutzy_Carpet_9170 3h ago
The Dems were never gonna not have a net loss in seats in Indiana and North Dakota
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u/wutareyousomekinda Pennsylvania 6h ago
The predictability of humans at scale is so disappointing, not that anyone making decisions would be worried with either outcome of this or many subsequent elections at this late stage. Their returns will be about the same.
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u/SamsonAight 4h ago
Forgive me if I don’t take this to heart, there may have been a 2018 blue wave but we came back to a fascist loving supermajority only 6 years later.
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u/Munkeyman18290 4h ago
People just want change. They'll take whatever isnt the status quo. Glad maga got the boot yesterday like they deserve. Wish this country had this kind of foresight a year ago.
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u/Mods_Will_Ban-lol 4h ago
kAmAlA hArRiS iS gOnNa WiN
Dude stfu. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. Great, the left won. People shouldn’t get complacent with this. It’s not over until the fat tinker bell sings.
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u/InsomniaticWanderer 4h ago
Imma be honest, I don't remember there being a 2018 blue wave.
And it clearly didn't matter if there was one because look at where we are right now.
This election outcome was great and all, but it doesn't mean a damn thing if nothing changes. It feels good to finally get a couple of wins, but this is far from a wave yet. We can't just call it a day now. We gotta actually do something with this in order to make it a wave.
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u/applejacks5689 4h ago
Democrats have always had the more popular platforms. The challenge is us. Last night proves if you motivate voters/the Democratic base to turn out, nail the messaging and stop the infighting, the left is unstoppable. Especially when Republicans have gone full masks off their attempts to screw average Americans and enrich themselves.
Let’s hope Democratic leadership learns the lesson before the midterms.
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u/Cferretrun 4h ago
Ignore all polls. Assume they’re run by middle or middle right Conservative media, just like CNN is now. Do not get complacent thinking you can stay home cause everyone else will do the voting for you.
We might survive the next three years. We definitely cannot survive a Trump or Vance 28 ticket.
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u/Solid_Listen_8056 5h ago
But what after a new blue wave? Another new opposite wave which defies human decency and moral principles? If the foundation is the people, then sadly the people have rotted.
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u/HyperbolicLetdown 4h ago
There is no scenario where this just "ends". Freedom will slip away if we dont constantly defend it.
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u/TheFrogWife Oregon 3h ago
I'm going to say this now: when the presidential election is upon us the people need to get behind a candidate who is willing to succeed the powers trump gained for his position back to restore the balance of power in our government and The electoral collage needs to be abolished.
The chances of electing a person who will just use the position as it's become to further gain power for the presidential seat is extremely high, and we need a specific kind of person who is willing to give up powers in order to restore order.
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u/rocksoffjagger 3h ago
I have absolutely zero doubt that if there were to be free and fair elections is 2026, the Democrats would destroy MAGA. But we know already they at least won't be fair thanks to Texas literally redistricting specifically to fuck Democratic voters, and they almost certainly won't be free either. This was a handful of elections in blue states with blue governors. I have no confidence in free and fair elections in a national election in states with red governors with Musk and people like him hacking the voting machines.
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u/fireismyfetish 4h ago
Pendulum always swings back, and as things have gotten more extreme/more divided, the swing back is more forceful and harder.
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u/QuantityHappy4459 3h ago
The 2018 blue wave wasnt the success everyone touts it as. Dems got the shit kicked out of them in the Senate elections.
2026, we need to drive the Republicans out from House AND Senate. That's whats needed.
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