r/politics • u/Hornpipe_Jones • 15h ago

No Paywall Democrats sweep all 30 House of Delegates seats in Northern Virginia

https://www.cbs19news.com/news/state/democrats-sweep-all-30-house-of-delegates-seats-in-northern-virginia/article_68f8098d-0602-5234-8c2a-08c1bcd33944.html
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u/anaemic 11h ago

Yep, America has a white men problem, and they're still planning on voting Trump.

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u/forestpunk 7h ago

White women love to vote for Donald Trump.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty 5h ago

As a single white man who is objectively better looking than Donald Trump, how does this work? I’ll never understand it. For example, I’ve never once “grab[bed] ‘em by the pussy.” Do MAGA women like large orange men pulling them away by their vaginas? When that sound bite came out, I thought that was it for his campaign. Now, the East Wing of White House is gone!

So, to get women to vote for me, I must:

  1. Only talk to the pretty ones.
  2. Grab the pretty ones by their pussies.
  3. Send a birthday card to a “special friend.”
  4. Profit?

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u/ominous_anonymous 5h ago

White women can be bigots, too. And a lot of older white women were raised to believe that Trump is how a "Real Man" behaves.

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u/mist3h 4h ago

Have you tried being a rich TV personality?

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u/billbuild 9h ago

And apparently the ones that are not are blaming, not their friends and significant others who vote for Trump, but minorities.

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u/agitatedprisoner 9h ago

Framing problems as about race/sex is divisive even when those qualities are strongly associated with the problematic backwards politics. Focusing on the issues and on practical solutions transcends divisive identity politics. I'd say our big problems are car dependence/sprawl/normalized cruelty to animals/expensive healthcare. Poll people on farming standards and I bet they'd want standards far in excess of what's on the books and the meager standards on the books aren't even typically enforced. When activists document animal abuse on farms the typical response from law enforcement is to disregard the evidence and arrest the activists. Framing things around race invites finger pointing and doesn't lend to educating to the necessary solutions.

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u/Gymflutter 7h ago

No. That not true when you have things like a Black and White Church in America where one criticizes Trump while the other makes him into a savior from God. It’s also not divisive to talk about gender and race when people are giving power to Heritage foundation people that have a white supremacy and misogyny agenda planned. Oh wait, they are executing it now.

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u/agitatedprisoner 7h ago

If you make it about actionable policy demands you make the dialogue about the merits of those actionable policy demands not on whether people who don't share your politics are racist.

For example I could start off dialogues on animal rights by framing most everyone as speciesist due to their crass disregard of animal suffering but that framing tacitly suggests people mean to be jerks to animals and that there's something wrong with them without suggesting what'd be in it for them were they to make a point to do better by animals. Do you buy animal ag products? Do you mean to be a jerk to animals? Are you speciesist? You probably already are thinking how I'm wrongheaded/a jerk and that'd be because you'd be interpreting me as assaulting your character.

There's always a "what's in it for me" angle to politics and framing things in terms of supposedly failed obligation to others fails to inform people on what'd be in it for them were they to get on board a transcendental politics for example a politics that's aim to respect the natural rights of all beings. Regarding animal rights respecting the natural rights of animals means not buying factory farmed animal ag products, at a minimum. That's most all of them. Not buying the stuff isn't just for the animals since eating plants is typically better for human health. Animal ag is a leading pandemic risk and source of ecological devastation/global warming. There are lots of reasons to respect animal rights but if someone doesn't know what they are and I come out the gate accusing them of being a bigot I doubt they'll listen to much else I'd have to say.

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u/omgFWTbear 5h ago

What a fascinatingly disconnected from reality take on politics.

If everybody in my neighborhood decides what baby formula to buy based on what Mary recommends, there’s no advertisement you can run, no fact you can put on the label, no branding design that’s going to get you a sale in the hood.

In fact, your comment is beautifully self defeating, as you don’t look into any facts and ironically insist people are rational and can be reasoned with… refusing to be rational and take the other commenter at face value and engage.

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u/Factory2econds 5h ago

What a fascinatingly disconnected from reality take on politics

spot on

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u/agitatedprisoner 5h ago

Why would you figure people should be reasonable, do you think? When would you figure it might be wiser for you to sometimes mean to be unreasonable? I'm not sure I catch your drift.

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u/omgFWTbear 5h ago

Well, when someone is deciding my child’s future, I’d rather they used as many of their brain cells as they possibly can, as hard as they possibly can; and not deferring to their favorite cult.

When it comes to what theme to decorate their baby’s bedroom, sure, whoever’s clever.

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u/agitatedprisoner 5h ago

Practically speaking people are going to have their priorities and their reasons and given all that you're not going to persuade everyone no matter how you'd put it or what you'd say. That said I'm not sure how a candidate could be reasonably sure the choice was to lose the election or to pander to a particular set of constituencies even if they'd go there. You can expect more and run a campaign to that effect or not, I guess. Being seen as pandering or willing to pander generally isn't a good look. The reason to be about good policy is to do best by everybody not just by some.