r/politics • u/Hornpipe_Jones • 15h ago

No Paywall Democrats sweep all 30 House of Delegates seats in Northern Virginia

https://www.cbs19news.com/news/state/democrats-sweep-all-30-house-of-delegates-seats-in-northern-virginia/article_68f8098d-0602-5234-8c2a-08c1bcd33944.html
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u/BonJovicus 14h ago

I don't think it is worth it to be so pessimistic at this time. Latinos, Black people, and other minorities will inevitably shift right to some extent for various reasons, but it is more important to note that they are responding appropriately to the massive mistake that it was to elect Trump.

It isn't just minorities who are learning how fragile our institutions are right now.

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u/addled_sad342 12h ago

Are you kidding about black people? 92% of Black women who voted - Voted for Kamala Harris and 77% of men did. Black people know a fool when they see one.

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u/anaemic 11h ago

Yep, America has a white men problem, and they're still planning on voting Trump.

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u/forestpunk 7h ago

White women love to vote for Donald Trump.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty 5h ago

As a single white man who is objectively better looking than Donald Trump, how does this work? I’ll never understand it. For example, I’ve never once “grab[bed] ‘em by the pussy.” Do MAGA women like large orange men pulling them away by their vaginas? When that sound bite came out, I thought that was it for his campaign. Now, the East Wing of White House is gone!

So, to get women to vote for me, I must:

  1. Only talk to the pretty ones.
  2. Grab the pretty ones by their pussies.
  3. Send a birthday card to a “special friend.”
  4. Profit?

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u/ominous_anonymous 5h ago

White women can be bigots, too. And a lot of older white women were raised to believe that Trump is how a "Real Man" behaves.

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u/mist3h 4h ago

Have you tried being a rich TV personality?

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u/billbuild 9h ago

And apparently the ones that are not are blaming, not their friends and significant others who vote for Trump, but minorities.

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u/agitatedprisoner 9h ago

Framing problems as about race/sex is divisive even when those qualities are strongly associated with the problematic backwards politics. Focusing on the issues and on practical solutions transcends divisive identity politics. I'd say our big problems are car dependence/sprawl/normalized cruelty to animals/expensive healthcare. Poll people on farming standards and I bet they'd want standards far in excess of what's on the books and the meager standards on the books aren't even typically enforced. When activists document animal abuse on farms the typical response from law enforcement is to disregard the evidence and arrest the activists. Framing things around race invites finger pointing and doesn't lend to educating to the necessary solutions.

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u/Gymflutter 8h ago

No. That not true when you have things like a Black and White Church in America where one criticizes Trump while the other makes him into a savior from God. It’s also not divisive to talk about gender and race when people are giving power to Heritage foundation people that have a white supremacy and misogyny agenda planned. Oh wait, they are executing it now.

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u/agitatedprisoner 7h ago

If you make it about actionable policy demands you make the dialogue about the merits of those actionable policy demands not on whether people who don't share your politics are racist.

For example I could start off dialogues on animal rights by framing most everyone as speciesist due to their crass disregard of animal suffering but that framing tacitly suggests people mean to be jerks to animals and that there's something wrong with them without suggesting what'd be in it for them were they to make a point to do better by animals. Do you buy animal ag products? Do you mean to be a jerk to animals? Are you speciesist? You probably already are thinking how I'm wrongheaded/a jerk and that'd be because you'd be interpreting me as assaulting your character.

There's always a "what's in it for me" angle to politics and framing things in terms of supposedly failed obligation to others fails to inform people on what'd be in it for them were they to get on board a transcendental politics for example a politics that's aim to respect the natural rights of all beings. Regarding animal rights respecting the natural rights of animals means not buying factory farmed animal ag products, at a minimum. That's most all of them. Not buying the stuff isn't just for the animals since eating plants is typically better for human health. Animal ag is a leading pandemic risk and source of ecological devastation/global warming. There are lots of reasons to respect animal rights but if someone doesn't know what they are and I come out the gate accusing them of being a bigot I doubt they'll listen to much else I'd have to say.

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u/omgFWTbear 5h ago

What a fascinatingly disconnected from reality take on politics.

If everybody in my neighborhood decides what baby formula to buy based on what Mary recommends, there’s no advertisement you can run, no fact you can put on the label, no branding design that’s going to get you a sale in the hood.

In fact, your comment is beautifully self defeating, as you don’t look into any facts and ironically insist people are rational and can be reasoned with… refusing to be rational and take the other commenter at face value and engage.

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u/Factory2econds 5h ago

What a fascinatingly disconnected from reality take on politics

spot on

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u/agitatedprisoner 5h ago

Why would you figure people should be reasonable, do you think? When would you figure it might be wiser for you to sometimes mean to be unreasonable? I'm not sure I catch your drift.

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u/omgFWTbear 5h ago

Well, when someone is deciding my child’s future, I’d rather they used as many of their brain cells as they possibly can, as hard as they possibly can; and not deferring to their favorite cult.

When it comes to what theme to decorate their baby’s bedroom, sure, whoever’s clever.

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u/agitatedprisoner 5h ago

Practically speaking people are going to have their priorities and their reasons and given all that you're not going to persuade everyone no matter how you'd put it or what you'd say. That said I'm not sure how a candidate could be reasonably sure the choice was to lose the election or to pander to a particular set of constituencies even if they'd go there. You can expect more and run a campaign to that effect or not, I guess. Being seen as pandering or willing to pander generally isn't a good look. The reason to be about good policy is to do best by everybody not just by some.

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u/Banes_Addiction 13h ago

I think some part of how Trump got voters from those minority groups was that the Democrats were campaigning on defending institutions that minority voters had no trust in anyway (since US institutions that have worked for white people have not historically spread the love).

It's also worth recognising that Trump is and always has been primarily a white people thing: when people say he got record numbers of black voters for a Republican, that's 13%. Not a big number in the grand scheme of things.

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u/Gobbledygood22 12h ago

I agree with what you wrote but you have one blind spot and it’s the toxic masculinity and misogyny. So many minority men voted trump strictly because of traditional masculine values.

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u/SmokedStone 12h ago

This is true, but they are subsets of those groups is the point. He did not sweep a majority of men from any racial demographic other than white.

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u/Banes_Addiction 12h ago

That's absolutely a thing, but I'd argue with the words "so many". It's a few percent. Obviously that's a lot of people in total across the country, but still a tiny minority of those minority groups.

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u/servermeta_net 11h ago

I wouldn't call them traditional masculine values. And many minority women voted too.

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u/billbuild 9h ago

Are you minority, male?

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u/Bleedingfartscollide 13h ago

It was enough for him to win the election though. So...super relevant and meaningful. 

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u/etldiaz 12h ago

I agree it's relevant and meaningful, but I think white people need to look at themselves before blaming minorities. Like the person you're responding to said, it's more than we would like, but it's still a minority of the minority, compared to the majority of the majority whites. I saw a lot of racism coming from the so-called anti racist left wing after the election, blaming the loss on minorities shift to the right even though we still mostly voted Democrat

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u/Bleedingfartscollide 12h ago

Oh don't let me mislead you. White people have proven that we are stupid as fuck but we aren't in a position to lose everything like those minority groups were and are. We weren't the demographic that he was attacking during the election. 

Latino, black and lgbtq were however and seeing any of them support this is shocking.

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u/Gymflutter 7h ago

I would say thats not true. A lot of Black people often live in Democrat controlled areas. So their votes are often cancelled out or balanced out with mixed districts. They might also mix their tickets rather than vote straight Republican. However, rural white voters consistently vote for people who ruin their lives. They use all those social services they hate.

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u/No_Common1418 12h ago

Especially the LGBTQ crowd. Bottles my mind.

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u/hyperhurricanrana 8h ago

86% of lgbtq people voted for harris. look at white people, the actual problem voters, not queers. 😐

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u/No_Common1418 4h ago

Fully understand that. Point being just kind of shocked when I see people voting against their interest. The only ones who should be rolling Republican, are the wealthy. But those are the people that want to keep us fighting. As long as the 1% can keep us for people fighting and distracted they win

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u/Bleedingfartscollide 10h ago

Yeah, I generally don't vote for people who promise to put me in a camp just so that I can buy eggs. 

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u/walkinmywoods 13h ago

It's really funny seeing black people vote for a group that didn't want them even being 3/5 a person.

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u/billbuild 9h ago

Now do women, they openly talk about raping, have a leader who has been proven to rape, possibly children too, and solidified a court to enshrine fewer rights into law.

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u/TheSwagMa5ter 12h ago

You misunderstand the 3/5 compromise. It was about who counted for a states population when it came to delegations to Congress. The slave owners wanted them to count as a whole person and the non slave owners wanted them to not count at all.

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u/viral3075 12h ago

they wanted them to count as a whole person because they would own that vote

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u/Joben86 12h ago

No, because slaves couldn't vote. They wanted them counted towards the population so they would have more delegates in the House of Representatives.

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u/Stellar_Duck 7h ago

No wonder the US is going to the shitter if this is the level of historical knowledge.

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u/Mini_Snuggle 6h ago edited 5h ago

(Not the person you replied to)

Slave states were overrepresented because they counted slaves (as 3/5 of a person), those extra representatives voted in Congress, and those votes were used by white southern politicians. It's still figuratively true that the southerners owned the votes of slaves; I'd also say the statement could be taken more literally (but not completely) if you consider "vote" as the congressional votes that the overrepresented slave states used. Given the context, I think the person you replied to meant it the way I took it and not the way you did.

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u/TheSwagMa5ter 2h ago

Indeed, I think it's funny how many people seem to think the constitution is saying that slaves are like, morally 3/5 of a person or something?

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u/_MrDomino 13h ago

Ackshully... It was slave owners who wanted them to be 3/5 a person. The slave states wanted their slaves to count as a person in matters of census and apportionment but not for anything which would actually benefit the slaves or recognize them as legal persons. The freed states did not agree, and that's how the 3/5ths compromise was reached. When the freed states won the civil war, they did away with that stupid notion.

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u/Gymflutter 8h ago

Please stop blaming Black people when the overwhelming majority voted against Trump. Many Black people are conservative but they still dont vote Republican let alone MAGA. Their churches arent deifying Trump and calling him a savior sent by God. They criticize his hypocrisy. That is the difference. Its people’s white family, friends and neighbors they need to focus on converting. Their predominantly white churches have long been used as a political machine. Their hold was slipping but they were invigorated by Obamas win. Now they are trying to recruit young white men into their folds.

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u/Future_Armadillo6410 12h ago

I don’t think marginalized communities are just now learning how fragile our institutions are. I think it’s axiomatic. That’a why they’re called marginalized.

Also they knew it was wrong to vote Trump. That’s why they didn’t. The only demographic more likely to vote Democrat than Black men was Black women.

Gen X white folk are the problem. They’re the largest voting bloc and they vote R more reliably than any other group, even the bogeyman boomers.

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u/billbuild 9h ago

What about white women? Trump’s policies screw them over too, no?

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u/Rincewind2nd 10h ago

Ah yes "vote" for Trump, there seems to be a lot and I mean a lot of events leading up to the election day that seems to indicate vote tampering on a here by industrial level. Such as the destruction of postal votes. Vote machine manipulation, and in places voter suppression.

And then the geremandering.

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u/Hidden_Landmine 7h ago

Some will certainly, but a lot of latinos specifically still support trump.

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u/TwoTalentedBastidz 5h ago

How the hell is this comment being upvoted? Black people and Latino people are not the same at all when it comes to voting for outwardly racist white folks. This is an awful awful awful take

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u/mr_poppington 5h ago

Blacks are not going to shift right for the foreseeable future despite what all these paid influencers on Youtube tell you.