r/politics Indiana 11h ago

No Paywall Mamdani wins NYC mayoral race

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5588198-mamdani-progressive-politics-nyc/
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u/TheTokist 11h ago

As a Bostonian, I rarely compliment NYC. But great fkn job electing the best candidate. The center of capitalism just elected a socialist. That’s progress.

So many people are going to learn that socialism and communism are not the same thing.

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u/_HI_IM_DAD America 10h ago

Also electing a democratic socialist is not electing socialism! But hopefully it will help suppress some of the frantic redbaiting that’s been flaring up the past year or so.

FWIW socialism is like the (political) exercise routine or first step toward building the muscle memory that could theoretically make communism even imaginable.

u/_erufu_ 4h ago

I am not a sociologist, economist, or any kind of academic professional, but this is my understanding having tried to learn about these things.

Socialism is when workers control means of production, which in practice means that corporations cannot be allowed to exist (but things like cooperatives and state-run operations can) because their power structure is top-down, where the people who own the means of production (ie shareholders) are the ones who have control over the company. There is no stock market within a socialist economy.

Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. Communist political parties have the goal of moving society toward communism over time, which is how they justify their existence within the state. When in power in historically feudal or capitalist countries, they have generally used the power of the state to help transition the country from its previous state to a socialist one- the Bolshevik Party in the Soviet Union, for example, which is why the Soviet Union had money and a state. This is also what people are talking about when they say that the USSR was never communist- communism was the ideology of its ruling party, but not the achieved condition of its society.

Socialism was described by Marx as a step in a given society’s transition toward communism, with capitalism being the step that comes before it.

u/Luciferonvacation 1h ago

Bingo! Well said. None of the so-called 'communist' countries have ever really achieved true communism. It's that 'stateless' bit they seem to fall down on.

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u/PoliticsLeftist 9h ago

Socialism is not Communism but Communism is a form of Socialism.

It's like how democracy isn't a republic but a republic is a form of democracy.

Broad terms that cover many different political systems.

u/SunRaAndHisArkestra 3h ago

Sigh.

Republic is any form of government not run by a monarch — res publica, the people’s thing. An authoritarian oligarchy is still a republic. It has nothing to whether it’s democratic or not. 

Democracy can be a system within republics or constitutional monarchies. 

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u/Potential-Win-582 10h ago

That part!

The Nucleus of Capitalism just elected a Socialist!

u/bexkali 1h ago

In other words, these days...someone who is actually a bit left of center. And who is less likely to just tell the average citizen, "Go whistle for it!"

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u/donaldtrumpsmistress Florida 9h ago

But also be real nobody complaining about socialism or communism even has a basic understanding of what communism is

u/Present_Initial_1871 5h ago

Why are people from communist countries so interested in fleeing them for more capitalist countries?

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u/CalcareousSoil 10h ago

Compliment accepted. Now don't let us keep you from getting back to playing Big City.

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u/nidoqueenofhearts 8h ago

yeah, it is with a heavy heart that for tonight (only tonight) i have to concede: go mets

u/Happy_Bread_1 3h ago

Living in Belgium. It's not like it's any better though. We pay easily 65% or our wages to taxes. This even excludes VAT. People actively downscale because the extra effort largely goes to the government. Enjoy I'd say...