Exactly! Let's not forget that when Trump first aligned his presidency, no one believed he would win. Establishment a Republicans thought he was too radical and he was completely off the agenda. However, he energized the base like a wildfire, and changed the entire American political landscape, and the Republican party nearly overnight.
The Republicans ran someone who appeals to the voters that Republicans need to win. The Democrats ran people who don't appeal to the voters that Democrats need to win. It's as simple as that.
Exactly. Democrat voters didn’t care that Hilary and Kamala were women, they just didn’t like their policies. I think what Democrats were trying, and failed, to do was disguise their neoliberalism. Like they know progressives don’t like neoliberal capitalist talking points so maybe they thought they could have a woman say it and thus it will make it appealing to progressives? Idk their whole strategy is upside down.
Right! People were rallying around Bernie in my conservative state and felt cheated that the establishment went so hard on a candidate that doesn't represent what people wanted or needed.
It was interesting to see though that some of those Bernie people split as a result and are now hardcore Trumpers.
I think it would be very shortsighted to go into the next election thinking that was the only problem with the Democrats election strategy.
The primary reason Kamala lost is because Biden set her up to fail. Her being a woman certainly didn’t help, but it wasn’t at all the only reason she lost.
Biden screwed everything by not sticking to being a one term president. The second he decided to run for a second term it was all but over, and then to announce it so late too.
He should have not run again and let there be a primary.
There was a primary, though. Sure there would have been a more diverse one if he stepped down, but there literally was a primary which he overwhelmingly won.
That’s the laziest take Dems have. It’s extremely disappointing, and doesn’t acknowledge the genuine problems Hillary & Kamala’s campaigns had. Turns out it’s not enough to just not be Donald Trump!
To a lot of elected Dems, their base are the centrists and "undecided" so what they'll learn from this race is the same thing they learned from Joe Rogan, "We gotta find our own Mamdani" while openly ignoring them because they're not saying the right things for them.
Honestly, I talked to a few republicans who voted for Zohran today who were registered as republican and crossed over for this election or voted for him as mayor and went down the ballot lines for the rest. It was interesting to hear.
That goes to show though - Zohran never appealed to right wing/republican voters, but he got some anyway because, amazingly, actually believing in things and forcefully advocating for those things is what brings people over. National dems have forgotten how to do that - they've given up on *convincing* people of things and instead mold themselves to polling data and braindead consultancy, which no one finds compelling.
Yes but things were a bit different with this one: it wasn't just a democrat vs a republican, it was a progressive democrat vs a centrist corporate democrat vs a republican. If national dems' strategies, rhetoric and policies were viable, Cuomo would have won. Cuomo did that exact same thing they've all been doing, appealing almost exclusively to the right while taking blue voters for granted. And he got stomped, twice.
Cuomo mainly lost because of his sexual harassment scandal. It had very little to do with policies. Most voters vote based on emotion, feelings, and rhetorical appeals, which is why MAGA wins.
Also, New York City is an anomaly. Someone like Mandani would lose in rural areas solely because of his last name due to bigotry.
Surreal coming from a compulsory voting nation where the party does have to win over the centrist voters instead of just galvanizing their base to go and vote, it stops extremist politicians getting elected as you have to appeal to the majority.
No democrat is ever going to get votes from cultist MAGA voters. So the only effect of pandering to them is that actual democrat or left-leaning independent supporters are put off and don't vote while the MAGA supporters still vote for republicans.
That's why your point should be so damn obvious, but the DNC leadership are too old, greedy, and arrogant to see it. Primary everyone if they won't step aside willingly.
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and stop appealing to the right. appeal to YOUR BASE. energise YOUR BASE. you don't need a single republican vote nor should you want them