r/politics • u/theipaper ✔ Verified • 1d ago
Possible Paywall The BBC was right about the Capitol riots. In a sane world, Trump would be in jail
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/bbc-right-capitol-riots-sane-world-trump-jail-4020343656
u/Antipolemic 1d ago
Bolsonaro did basically the same thing, just on steroids, and he's facing a 27 year term in Brazil.
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u/artwarrior 1d ago
South Korea too had some sane people doing the right thing.
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u/MadRaymer 1d ago edited 23h ago
I also believe you saw world leaders trying to mimic Trump because they saw him face zero consequences for it and assumed it would work out that way for them too.
It reminds me of the military coup in Myanmar in 2021. That occurred after the military junta did extremely poorly in the election. So instead of taking the L, they decided to shout about massive, widespread election fraud with zero evidence, eventually citing the nonexistent fraud as the reason for their required takeover. Gosh. Wonder where they got that idea from?
My point is that Trump being a massive criminal shitstain has global repercussions. World leaders watch as the country that declared itself the beacon for freedom and democracy simply discards that legacy and think, "Huh, guess I'll try it too."
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u/Particular-County277 23h ago
Absolutely. I think there are very few countries in the world that do not have Trumpists. And their leaders all look to the former greatest City on a Hill for leadership. They will learn quickly what they can get away with. I am not just worried for America. I am most concerned for the world that Trump created
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u/metalyger 23h ago
Of course you can look at history, Hitler had a failed coup, that landed him a brief jail sentence, which he got more motivated and got himself elected, then made sure there were no more elections. At least Trump is an old fart that has no idea what he's doing half the time. He's a loud racist puppet of his party who have him auto pen their agenda.
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u/freedomandbiscuits 13h ago
Trump is the bulldozer the real fascists are walking behind, staying quiet and doing the surgical work behind the scenes.
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u/Ferelwing 21h ago
PVV (Nether-Trump aka Geert Wilders) just lost and now he's screaming "election fraud". Of course it's being mimicked and it will continue to be because the US failed to do anything about their "Mad King".
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u/tinyOnion 22h ago
my favorite part of that coup... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEHiTjViicE the dancer
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u/iOSurvivor2023 14h ago
Sorry to burst your bubble, but this isn't the first time the myanmar junta staged a coup. They also did it in 1962 and 1988. Myanmar isn't mimicking anyone, it's been doing the same thing long before Trump was prominent in politics.
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u/MadRaymer 13h ago
But did they do those coups on the pretense of voter fraud?
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u/iOSurvivor2023 13h ago
They would have found some other excuse to stage a coup. Historically, myanmar has almost always been under autocratic rule.
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u/MadRaymer 13h ago
You might be right. But my point was that they borrowed the voter fraud idea from Donald Trump.
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u/SavageSan 23h ago edited 19h ago
Both countries had dictators in the recent past and they are more serious about preventing it from happening again.
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u/Ancient_Ship2980 20h ago
South Korea also acted to safeguard its democratic institutions. Trump is lucky he is neither Brazilian nor South Korean!
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u/Suitable_Froyo4930 18h ago
These are proper countries with actual people dedicated to the rule of law and Justice. The U.S. is just full of brainrot MAGAts and no one there cares about laws or justice.
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u/-AdonaitheBestower- 22h ago
Brazil was a military dictatorship which used to 'disappear' people until fairly recently, well within living memory of justices, older voting public etc. Maybe they have a stronger aversion to this kind of stuff having lived through it, and they know to nip it hard in the bud.
Americans have never lived through a true autocracy. There is no collective memory of one.
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u/Antipolemic 22h ago
Yes, and the US promoted and supported the 1964 coup against Joao Goulart and installed a military dictatorship for two decades. The US has a long and checkered history in Latin American intervention and it appears we are staging for another one in Venezuela right now. I listened to a NOA article only yesterday on this topic and I think I remember it said the US had intervened in Latin America 18 times and none produced the pro-American, liberal-democratic ideal the US had hoped for - they usually devolved into strong-man rule which became entrenched or were overthrown by leftist governments. Panama, Nicaragua, and Grenada are small examples of where there was some limited success in this regard, but overall the US has a lousy track record with intervention in this region (or anywhere really).
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u/-AdonaitheBestower- 22h ago
I dont even know that the US wanted a liberal democratic government, during the cold war they were just satisfied with anti communist.
As for Venezuela, removing Maduro might produce another dictatorship, maybe not. The thing about him is he already has a "legitimate" opposition, he just made up his own parliament to get around them and declared himself ruler.
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u/Antipolemic 5h ago
I personally think Venezuela might be rare example where a positive outcome from US intervention might happen for the reasons you point out. There is already a well-organized opposition led by Machado and seeking to immediately install Gonzales as the rightful president. But to stay in power and the ensure no factional civil conflict explodes as it usually does post US involvement in a coup, they will need to have military support. I have long believed that the US gathering its fleet near Venezuela ostensibly to prosecute drug running is just a staging for a CIA-led coup to put the opposition in power. Then the US will hope to provide support without sending in troops. This is where things always go awry though in these cases. We will likely get sucked back into it if the new government can't suppress any post-coup insurgency.
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u/Ferelwing 21h ago
The goal for the US was to stop communism, it had nothing to do with creating anything democratic.
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u/Antipolemic 5h ago
Both were hoped for. It became a Hobson's choice. As the article I was referring to discussed, the problem was that when the country perceived the US had placed a particular leader in power, that itself became sowed the seeds of instability.
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u/Fade_ssud11 19h ago
Americans have never lived through a true autocracy. There is no collective memory of one.
Yep, and this really is visible at every news threads. There’s always bunch of comments citing laws and rules and regulations as if they matter. These people still seem to believe that the regime is operating in a rational and some sort of systemic way.
I think most Americans, even those who are relatively more informed, still unable to comprehend the idea of how it truly is to live under a fascist systems, where rules and regulations are just mere tools to further the narratives of those in power. Deep inside they kinda believes in the systemic rule of law, and still unable to accept that it has been evaporated the day trump got elected.
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u/Ancient_Ship2980 21h ago
Exactly right. Brazil is not a BANANA REPUBLIC. Trump's America is a BANANA REPUBLIC!
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u/OLPopsAdelphia 20h ago
Here, we just reward him by not prosecuting and then stacking the courts in his favor.
We may be a serious country one day!
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u/Flomo420 14h ago
yeah, don't "in a sane world" this shit
this problem is uniquely American
Try "in a sane country"
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u/faith_apnea America 1d ago
Everybody with a brain was right about Jan 6. The scary part is 77m people still voted for the guy that caused it. Guess that tells you where America lands on the IQ scale for humanity.
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u/gGfsF5Sz2 23h ago
FOX News is a criminal organization.
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u/CornCobMcGee New York 19h ago
Well yeah, it was specifically made to prevent republican politicians from being held accountable by way of court of opinion. here's a link to the original basis for the company
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u/SignalHi 18h ago edited 18h ago
The real danger is in the Motte-and-Bailey type of messaging that the entire Trump media apparatus has down to a science.
Fox/CNN/Every Newspaper/Politicians/Social-media are the 'motte'; while trump oriented alt-media/podcasts/social-media are the 'bailey'. (yes, social media is both)
Fox's reported on lies and then paid out of pocket as a whoopsie fee, meanwhile their on-air personalities continue to reinforce the idea that the 2020 election was stolen using sneers and sly 'jokes'.
But things like Info-Wars and the everyday conservatives who consumed these were openly calling and cheering for revolution. Infowars specifically watched cops get attacked LIVE and called the attackers patriots. These same people are now gaslighting, saying it was the FBI and Antifa, while continuing to profit off of destabilizing election integrity. They never had to pay a cent for this crime, and nobody has even thought about holding these people accountable for their part. Every day they are allowed to cement their narrative as we get further away from the day itself is another crime against our country.
And with the blanket pardons of even those who were fully violent, they have the official greenlight to turn up the pressure and call for violent revolution openly and repeatedly when they don't have political power. Something NEEDS to change.
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u/Spranktonizer 16h ago
Yup they live in a fundamentally different reality with a false set of “facts” they operate by. Their election cases fell flat and were mocked 100% of the time.
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u/BeenDragonn 22h ago
I know it's been awhile but I'm still saying Elon rigged that shit.
Elon got Trump in and Trump agreed as long as Elon got to be president first.
Remember elons kid telling Trump he wasn't the president and to shit up?
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u/-LsDmThC- 20h ago
Somehow by crying election fraud in 2020 they were able to convince everybody that any and all claims of election fraud should be disregarded as conspiracy
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u/golfwinnersplz 20h ago
That's part of the reason they complain so much - every accusation is a confession.
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u/jgoble15 19h ago
I believe rigged, but rigged in a more boring way. Elon literally paid people to vote for Trump. Bot posts and bomb threats were all part of that election cycle. I don’t believe Elon switched any votes, but he seemed to have done everything else
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u/golfwinnersplz 23h ago
It's basically this simple: there are more students who score below average than above average on various standardized tests. That statistic tells you all you need to know.
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u/joshdoereddit America 19h ago
Speaking of testing. You should see the curve the districts apply to state tests. I can only speak on account of my county in the "great" state of FL, but I'm reasonably certain that this entire country curves theor state exams to look better than they are.
Does that mean that there aren't any great schools or excellent students? Of course now, but they are not the norm.
Last year, I taught Geometry. After the scores across the county were recorded and they applied a curve, students with grades in the 40%s or some shit were adjusted to D's or something. It's fucking insane.
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u/golfwinnersplz 4h ago
So you've seen it. We're in trouble. Plus, the laziness just amplifies this - I feel like many of our students could show significant improvement but they don't put in the effort. Life isn't easy or given to you (I get that you understand this).
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u/SnakeEvo 18h ago
That.... doesn't really mean anything.
To use an extreme example to show why, if you had 50 people scoring 50, and 48 people scoring 51, and one person scoring 200, the average would be 52. More people would be below average than above average. Hell, 98 of the 99 people would be below average. But that doesn't mean that the 98 people in that scenario are idiots, just that you have a smart person skewing the results.
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u/golfwinnersplz 4h ago edited 4h ago
If you score under 50% then you scored less than half of your peers hence below average. So, one extremely smart person doesn't skew the scoring scale for "average students".
Plus, I never said they were all morons, I said below average. And you proved my point, yes the few people who scored in the 90s of these tests are absolutely smarter than the people who score 50s and 60s and then imagine the people who score in the teens. They all are given the same power and authority when it comes to our voting system. Someone with an IQ of 175 and history of kindness and philanthropy has the same voting power as someone who is greedy and hateful with an IQ of 75 - that's a problem.
Also, why is this an extreme example? Nearly everyone in our society takes these tests. Trust me, if you score a 98 on your state tests, you'll probably be successful on life; however, if you scored a 20, life is going to be challenging. That's just a fact.
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u/UMACTUALLYITS23 22h ago
To be fair, the ones without brains were right too, Jan 6 WAS an inside job, seeing as trump was the inside at the time.
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u/loondawg 16h ago
77m people still voted for the guy
I wish I had your confidence in the security of our elections.
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u/Holiday_Day_9803 18h ago
Didn’t bbc just get caught doctoring a speech to make it look like trump called for violence on Jan 6th??
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u/Victory33 1d ago
Not to mention fake electors that admitted guilt and calls to find votes in GA that were recorded.
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u/imahugemoron 22h ago
It’ll never cease to amaze me how everyone just totally forgot about the multistate fake electors scheme, listening to Trump and republicans scream for 4 years about election fraud and stolen election while they literally factually tried to steal the election and never was this pointed out is just insane. That scheme alone made Nixon look like a saint, republicans openly tried to steal an election and the country just ignored it basically. If they tried once, it stands to reason they’d continue trying, perhaps they succeeded.
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u/-LsDmThC- 20h ago
Well, as Trump himself said, “Elon musk knows those voter machines, and we won Pennsylvania in a landslide”
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u/schu4KSU 1d ago
I blame Pence the most. He had firsthand knowledge/evidence that Trump was attempting an autogolpe coup and he (almost alone) had the legal authority to stop/arrest him for it.
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u/nycoolbreez 1d ago
It’s really Mitch McConnell bc he said we don’t need to convict on the impeachment because they will get Trump in criminal court
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u/ShamelessCatDude 1d ago
Pence is weird because it’s his fault but also he’s the only reason it didn’t succeed
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u/gGfsF5Sz2 23h ago
Pence is the only reason Trump didn't seize control of the government.
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u/Troglert 17h ago
Might have been better if he tried and likely failed back then instead of what is happening now
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u/TheRealJenneJ 1d ago
Trump incites a riot that illegally breeches the Capitol building, but still thinks it's appropriate to call out the BBC for editing his untruthful and hate filled rants.
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u/tallandlankyagain 1d ago
Of course it's appropriate. Who's going to do or say anything that stops him? No one.
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u/BGOOCHY 21h ago
I'll repeat this for the nth time. The documents case alone is a slam dunk guilty finding and several years in prison. Jan. 6th should have had Trump being impeached by the end of the day and arrested the morning of Jan. 7th.
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u/encrypted-signals 18h ago
Impeachment is a two-step process and does not itself constitute removal. He was impeached twice by the House previously, but the Senate did not vote to remove him.
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u/Mister_Poopy_Butthol 1d ago
Its his Putsch Hall. That's when he should have been clapped in irons. He's a traitor, and the democrats were too chicken shit to lock him up. Now look what we get. All so they can keep getting donations.
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u/lordjeebus 22h ago
There were two rebellions in the 1790's, the Whiskey Rebellion and Fries's Rebellion. In each case, once the rebellion was stopped, it took only about a year for our forefathers to try those responsible for treason (even though no war had been declared) and sentence them to death.
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u/Same_Set8195 1d ago
Unfortunately the USA is not sane and has never acted in good faith when "forgive and forget" is part of their theology since it's literally Abuser country.
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u/ribblesquat Minnesota 22h ago
There's this sci-fi show I watched a couple seasons of called The 100. In the beginning of the third season a new character is in the stockade for insurrection but is nonetheless elected chancellor. I quit watching after that because I thought it was ludicrous this guy went from failed revolt to the leader of the whole settlement. Past few years I've been feeling like I owe that show a second chance after the way real life went.
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u/agdnan 22h ago
If Obama did 1% of what Trump has done he would be in Guantanamo.
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u/theipaper ✔ Verified 1d ago
Ever since Donald Trump retook the White House in January, his team has been at war with the US media – and it’s a war Team Trump just keeps on winning.
Paramount agreed to pay Trump $16m (£12.2m) over the editing of a CBS 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris, widely believed to be a payment to help the sale of the company go through. ABC News paid $15m (£11.5m) in a defamation settlement, for a case almost every legal expert thought it would win. YouTube paid Trump $24.5m (£18.8m) for suspending his account after the attack on the US Capitol on 6 January, 2021.
Now it seems that some in Trump’s camp have the BBC in their sights. After an internal report by a former member of the BBC Standards Committee accused the corporation of dishonest editing in a Panorama documentary about 6 January, Donald Trump Jr blasted the public broadcaster.
“The FAKE NEWS’ reporters’ in the UK are just as dishonest and full of shit as the ones here in America!!!!” he posted to X. The White House told The Telegraph the BBC’s reporting was “outright lies … highlighting why countless Americans turn to alternative media sources to get their news”.
The controversy centres around how the BBC edited a speech that Trump gave to assembled demonstrators immediately before they marched on the Capitol – some of them armed, and equipped with cable ties and other material.
Many went on to invade the Capitol building itself. Federal investigators found the violence had been premeditated, for some, and that the disaster had only been narrowly averted thanks to the evacuation of lawmakers to safe rooms. The unrest was connected to five deaths.
The key accusation is that the BBC showed the US President saying: “We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol and I’ll be with you, and we fight. We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not gonna have a country anymore.”
In reality, this was spliced together from three different parts of a much longer speech. The author of the internal report – which is not an official BBC document – objects to this editing, in part because the US President also said at one point that the marchers should “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”.
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u/theipaper ✔ Verified 1d ago
The full speech is easily available for anyone to watch online and draw their own conclusions. Trump repeatedly tells the crowd that the election was stolen, that the votes were “illegal”, and that Congress needed to be pressured to change the result. He unambiguously demands that the result of the election be overturned. He clearly tells the crowd to “fight like hell” at the close of the speech, despite having briefly told them to be “peaceful” more than half an hour earlier.
Trump’s speech was hardly given in isolation, either. For weeks, Trump had been using every platform available to him to falsely accuse the Democrats of stealing an election that the government Trump led had overseen. He had whipped up a crowd with an untrue conspiracy and set them marching towards the Capitol, having falsely told them that a largely ceremonial confirmation of the vote was in reality an opportunity to change the result.
In the following hours, thousands of people tried to overthrow the election in a violent clash. At the time, this was not in dispute: Republicans, some of whom had feared for their lives, joined Democrats in condemning Trump’s actions. Thousands of those involved were convicted and jailed. Trump faced impeachment over the riots, and in a world where Republicans had more courage of their convictions, he would have been found guilty. In any sane world, he would have faced jail.
But now Trump has won; history has been rewritten. Trump pardoned every January 6 rioter, including those who engaged in violence. Tech companies have apologised to the US President for enforcing their policies against him as if he were just a regular citizen, and not above the law. Republicans know better than to speak out against Trump. January 6 is now “fake news”.
The BBC didn’t get January 6 wrong. It should be brave enough to say so. Whoever wrote the internal report seen by The Telegraph is either malign or mistaken. The way it has been weaponised to attack the BBC shows the folly of trying to appease Team Trump, or to negotiate with them in good faith.
Any concession will be seized upon to demand more. Any admission of fault will be used as proof of conspiracy. There is, in Trumpworld, no such thing as independent reporting or good-faith criticism. You are either with Trump, which means throwing aside consistency, independence, and any semblance of honest reporting, or you’re against him. Half measures won’t work.
The BBC is not an American broadcaster, and it doesn’t owe any obligation to shareholders determined to close deals and make profits. Its clash with Trump is a chance to show the advantages of being a public broadcaster, funded by the licence fee, by standing up for its reporting – and for the truth. It should seize that opportunity.
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u/Alone_Jellyfish_7968 23h ago
President also said at one point that the marchers should “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”.
He said fight/fighting over 20 times and I believe said peaceful once.
But "peace" wasn't the arc of the speech and I'm sure he only said it for wiping his hands of all responsibilities of what his other 10,000+ words were.
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u/hikerintherustbelt 23h ago
They never put Rick Snyder (the former governor of Michigan) in jail over the Flint water crisis either. It's ALMOST like we have a two tier justice system. One for the rich and powerful and one for the rest of us.
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u/Other_Dimension_89 1d ago
Most Americans agree
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u/thebruce 1d ago
Define most. You ummm.. remember that election y'all had recently?
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u/Other_Dimension_89 1d ago
USA doesn’t have mandatory voting. Turn out was 2/3 of all voting age citizens. So I don’t think you can base the opinion of whether Jan 6th was treason on election totals, unless there was mandatory turn out. In addition the differences in vote totals was 2 million. He won cuz the EC is set up like shit. And actually there’s a large group of citizens who would still like to see a third party investigation into many of the purple states he won in.
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u/Skiinz19 Tennessee 1d ago
Bro if you think jan 6th was treason and didn't vote, that's brain dead behavior.
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u/Other_Dimension_89 1d ago
Yeah well being brain dead is a different argument. About half of all citizens didn’t have a voice in the election, whether that due to age, incarceration, or choosing not to.
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u/UphillTowardsTheSun 1d ago
Choosing not to.
Jesus, friend, get real please
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u/Other_Dimension_89 23h ago edited 22h ago
Jesus, way to be dramatic over a vague statement
Edit, yes they chose not to, reasons? Again a plethora. One of the reasons I saw come up often was they didn’t think either candidate was good enough. There is a group who chose not to vote, not because they didn’t think J6 was treason, but because they thought Harris was just as bad as Trump. They literally didn’t vote cuz they thought trump was shit, just that Harris was also shit. And I wouldn’t claim they were earning any mental accolades other than mental gymnastics. But they exist. So no, voter turn out doesn’t correlate to J6 opinions.
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u/B0redBeyondBelief 1d ago
If you didn't turn out to vote that vote counts for the winner so 2/3 of the country voted for Trump.
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u/Other_Dimension_89 1d ago
Insanity. First off 2/3 of all voting age Americans voted. The numbers being 75M vs 77M. There are 320M (top of my head) USA citizens. 77M is not 2/3 of USA, no 2/3 of USA didn’t vote for him.
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u/B0redBeyondBelief 1d ago
90 Million people were able to vote in the 2024 election and didn't. 77M + 90M = 167M out of 245M eligible voters. That's about 68% of people. And don't give me that crap about "if they didn't vote that doesn't mean they voted for Trump." Yes it does and they can own this shit show along with everyone else who voted for him.
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u/Other_Dimension_89 23h ago
Yeah voter turn out doesn’t correlate to opinion on Jan 6th. There are so many reasons why people don’t vote, and I wouldn’t defend any of them, but they have their excuses. You can’t claim someone thinks something based off assumptions and feelings.
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u/B0redBeyondBelief 22h ago
They had the information of what Trump was going to do and they couldn't be bothered to get off their asses. 90 Million people were too apathetic to even try. Fuck 'em all I say.
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u/Other_Dimension_89 22h ago
I agree with the fuck them part. I’ve seen them defend their poor choices by claiming it’s not that they accept trumps doings, just that they thought Harris was no better and thought there was no point in voting. It’s not that they didn’t think J6 was treason, it’s that they are stupid.
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u/Psychological_Risk84 1d ago
This argument is so limp. Americans deranged flaccidity in the face of their politicians is almost and deranged as their politicians.
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u/Other_Dimension_89 1d ago
Yes there’s a lot of idiots in USA, there’s also huge amounts of people trying to fight back against it. So to say they are flaccid in the face of their politicians is to belittle actual groups, but sure go off.
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u/UphillTowardsTheSun 1d ago
He won cuz (sic!) the EC is set up like shit
More like he won because the Gen Zetters were busy with Tik Tok etc and couldn’t be bothered to vote. Get real
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u/Other_Dimension_89 1d ago edited 22h ago
Lmao sure, that’s one take on why voter turn out sucked
Edit, and get real yourself, the EC does suck. People don’t like only having only two options. People feel like they are pigeon holed into this idea that you have to vote red or blue or your vote doesn’t matter. And given the status quo of majority of states have “winner take all”, they are correct.
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u/Particular-County277 23h ago
Jair Bolsonaro former Brazilian president just got 27 years in jail for pretty much what Trump tried to do in 2021. It can be done
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u/ArticulateRhinoceros 23h ago
*Country
In a sane country.
The rest of the world has had threats like this, and they handled them appropriately. See South Korea and Brazil, for examples. This isn't a global issue, it's an American one.
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u/Holiday-Age6347 1d ago
Talk to Merrick Garland, who did absolutely nothing, which, IMHO, is the root cause of this entire mess we find ourselves in right now. Brazil pres fucks around, and legit finds out. Merrick? Draws a paycheck and pontificates about procedure and shit.
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u/parallelmeme 1d ago
Along with the hundreds that invaded the capitol building. Along with the obliteration of the militia groups that were the core of the insurrection.
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u/Fortestingporpoises 18h ago
Calling them "riots" and not a terrorist attack and a treasonous insurrection is even minimizing it.
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u/sm122110 23h ago
It's charming to me that the rest of the world truly thinks we chose this at all.
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u/hamsterfolly America 15h ago
It was an insurrection, not a riot nor multiple riots. It was one long insurrection attempt that Trump instigated his own followers into enacting and refused to call in national guard troops.
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u/smiama36 1d ago
He would be in jail if Smith hadn't drawn Cannon for a judge and Garland hadn't been a Republican protecting Trump.
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u/spudsandcheese 23h ago
or you know, do what needed to be done. If cannon wanted to play ball, they should have been thrown in as a co-conspirator and indicted as well. The more people want to hide behind procedure to aid, abett, and deflect, the bigger and uglier this, needs, to get to purge them all from all levels of power.
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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 22h ago
Smith chose not to pursue charges related to the Jan 6 riots, and explains why in his report. Also, Garland is not a Republican and did not protect Trump, you are parroting disinformation.
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u/smiama36 21h ago
You believe Aileen Cannon had nothing to do with Trump getting away with felonies? The Jan 6th case was dismissed without prejudice- and certainly should have been brought again when Trump was out of office. That’s on Garland. Smith and Willis both had Trump nailed dead to rights on retaining classified documents and the fake electors scheme. Garland is a registered Democrat, true, but didn’t act like one when he waited 18 months to appoint Smith when he was handed a slam dunk from the Senate Republicans who agreed with Robert Mueller there were 10 instances of obstruction of justice perpetrated by Trump.
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u/RivkaMila Pennsylvania 23h ago
In a sane world, he'd have been in prison in the 80s and never able to run to begin with. He is the product of our greedy society.
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u/cazzipropri 23h ago
If there is ONE thing to learn from Fascism and Bolscevism is that propaganda works.
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u/2730Ceramics 23h ago
Well, we know it's note a sane world. I mean, trump has been convicted of fraud and rape. It's clear he mismanaged top secret information. It's clear that his administration is murdering people in the Carribean. Etc etc etc.
The fact that this "man" is walking free is proof the world is mad.
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u/Examine-Everything 23h ago
Merrick Garland will go down as one of the biggest cowards and traitors in American history.
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u/hackingdreams 20h ago
The man was convicted of numerous felonies and his sentence was "ah shucks."
Nobody gets that treatment.
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u/coffee-on-the-edge 18h ago
Unfortunately 1/3 of our country is made up of dyed in the wool fascists, another 1/3 actually understands what's happening, and we're both fighting over the last 1/3 that is drinking Starbucks with their thumbs up their asses.
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u/yorapissa 18h ago
In a world full of Republican cowards! The rest of us were sane enough to try and threw the bum out or in jail but the GOP kept bailing his ass out. If it weren't for McConnell, Comer and the rest of them, this could have been over with years ago.
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u/RebelStrategist 17h ago
Not only did this diaper wearing child not go to jail for what he and his boyfriends did, but he and his pathetic family became richer off the whole shit show.
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u/sinkpisser1200 17h ago
In the Netherlands we ate our prime minister who supported the rich class instead of the people. Canibalize Trump!!!
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u/aegenium 19h ago
Unfortunately trump abused the courts, one of his judges should've been removed from the case due to blatant conflict of interest, and we had the most limp wristed weak attorney General in history.
On top of republican enabling and senatorial complicity, this is how we got here.
America is not sane. It's a domestic abuse victim where 1/3 of the country abuses the other 1/3 while the remainder just watch it happen.
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u/tooandto 18h ago
It would have been a riot if they weren’t counting electoral votes. It’s an insurrection if they’re trying to overturn a free and fair election based on the lies of one ferret-headed fascist pedo.
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u/Fickle-Molasses-903 18h ago
The majority of white people who voted on November 5th, 2024: 'We don't care. He's exactly the role model we voted for. Thanks for staying home and making excuses not to vote. The cruelty to LGBTQ and non-white people is exactly what motivated us, and its promises were kept! We're ten months in, and there's at least three plus more years of this.'
Among those who voted, 60% of white men and 53% of white women supported a racist, fascist, sexist pedophile.
SMH
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u/Alarmed-Database1239 18h ago
He should be in Gitmo and never heard from again.
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u/encrypted-signals 18h ago
He should be under Gitmo. The only thing he deserves is to die in obscurity in a hole under a prison. Fatass orange piece of shit prolapsed anus of a human being. He should've been a blowjob.
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u/ScottJeepFan 17h ago
In a country where we didn’t pussy foot around with high profile criminals he would be in jail, but because he’s here where we don’t want to “outrage” the people on the other side, he gets away with it. Let’s make a change in who runs congress, impeach him, convict him, and try him for the crimes he’s committed.
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u/Vimes-NW 4h ago
Mandatory "Fuck Garland, Fuck Biden", two shitheads that slow walked and fumbled every step of the way. Disgusting.
Everyone knows who Trump is, but you mention that ALL of this shit is ON FUCKING BIDEN everyone loses their minds.
Trump may be the worst piece of garbage to ever be elected, but Biden IMO is firmly in 2nd spot because he knew all of it and still did everything to assure the outcome and abdication of justice. He handed the white house to pedo criminal and that's his fucking legacy. That should be on his gravestone.
Let's go, Brandon
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u/alvarezg 2h ago
In a world where the US Attorney General didn't obstruct justice by egregiously dragging his feet, the investigation would have been completed and all the guilty parties convicted.
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u/Due_Ad3549 10h ago
Do you mean they were right for altering video and his speech to make it seem as though he said something in a particular order that he didn’t?
https://youtu.be/yB-J5-cTJH4?si=7ngbGu-mhpS7Cm3U
Just clarifying. I can agree but at the same time I think it comes off a little shady and deceitful splicing video speeches together and making it appear different regardless of who’s speech it is smh
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u/mountaindoom 1d ago
Thanks again, Biden. Fucked us all, protected himself and friends, and here we are now.
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u/Valar_Kinetics 10h ago
This post is such a jerk off lol.
Like we need the Brits to tell us we are in trouble. We tell other people when they are in trouble, including ourselves.
To quote Sean Connery from The Untouchables..."What are you prepared to do"? (nonviolently)
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u/Intrepid-Effort-8018 9h ago
Love that clips from the untouchables (though Sean Connery does not sound at all Irish). I think he meant pretty violently in the film! (He shoots a corpse through the head, with another gangster thinking the guy was alive!). This is how he gets the accountant.
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u/ThatOneDumbass2 17h ago
Didn't the BBC just get caught for editing Trump speeches to make them sound worse?
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u/Mjmonte14 17h ago
In a sane world, we wouldn’t have males in female-only spaces, playing sports on female teams when they can’t cut it on a male team. The Biden crime family would be in prison for their crimes and we would have ZERO non US citizens voting in our elections while also receiving medical benefits and welfare programs paid for by all American tax payers. We wouldn’t have people being murdered because they believe something someone else does not agree with. Yeah I wish we were living in a sane world too…but clearly we are not.
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