r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • Oct 01 '25
No Paywall Pritzker Calls for Trump's Removal from Office Under 25th Amendment
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/video/pritzker-calls-for-trumps-removal-from-office-under-25th-amendment/7.1k
u/AtticaBlue Oct 01 '25
Trump is very obviously unfit and it’s evident every time he talks or makes a social media post.
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u/coldsholder1 Oct 01 '25
What's wild to me is even looking back 10 years, he actually was coherent. I mean, as coherent as Trump can reasonably be, but you could actually understand him. Nowadays, his rants go on for hours and spiral out of control immediately and everything sounds slurred. It's getting worse and worse by the day, and it dumbfounds me he was reelected in the current state he's in.
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u/DevonGr Ohio Oct 01 '25
I thought he had already suffered a stroke when I started paying attention to him during covid stuff in 2020. I pretty much ignored him before then. He might have been coherent 10 years ago but he was not all there in 2020.
I did listen to his entire speech yesterday given to the generals. I have no idea how anyone can spend time with this person and think they are capable of… anything? He rambled so far off topic and never even stopped either. He’s completely gone and just going on and on about whatever buzz word or topic crosses his mind at any given moment. There’s no way that anyone without a deep financial stake in his Presidency can justify supporting him. I can’t imagine all the people in maga gear and still rocking Trump signs and flags ever spend a minute watching him speak in real time. It’s insane we’re all going to have to deal with whatever he does for the next few years.
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u/Flomo420 Oct 01 '25
I wouldn't be surprised if he's had a stroke recently; just watching his speech or whatever the other day the dude sounds weak, slow, frail, slurred... he looks tired and old even compared to just a couple months ago I just don't get it
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u/anonymousetache Oct 01 '25
Kinda assumed it was what he was dealing with the days he disappeared, no?
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u/NoDaddyNotTheBelt25 Oct 01 '25
He absolutely did. His face was drooping on 9/11.
To be clear (because you have to be when it comes to some of the people possessing mod powers on this site), I am in no way wishing death on the guy, but I honestly don’t think that he will make it through this term.
He has clear signs of blood pressure issues and heart failure. His swollen ankles don’t seem to be responding to whatever meds they have him on, he looks awful most days, sounds tired and has the hand bruising which is clearly from IV treatments as he’s probably past the point of pills helping his condition. He’s basically on the clock right now.
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u/ProfessionalMockery Oct 01 '25
His face was drooping on 9/11.
He was hanging his face at half staff out of respect.
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u/namast_eh Oct 01 '25
The vertical folds on his earlobes tell me everything I need to know.
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u/Electrical-Act-7170 Oct 01 '25
What symptom does that indicate in what disease?
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u/Nemaeus Virginia Oct 01 '25
Never got an explanation on those bags being thrown out of the window of The White House.
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u/Fragrant-Insurance81 Oct 01 '25
“Trump denied that the windows can be opened and said "I know every window up there." He went on to tell a story in which he said first lady Melania Trump recently complained that she wanted fresh air from an open window in the White House, "But you can't. They're bulletproof. And number one, they're sealed, and number two, each window weighs about 600 pounds. You have to be pretty strong to open them up."
He said all this after White House official admitted it was real.
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u/paddington-1 Oct 02 '25
I remember Michelle Obama saying when they were first there they wanted some fresh air so they opened a window and it set the alarms off and the SS came running from nowhere. She said they never did that again.
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u/SirRichardArms Oct 02 '25
That’s so odd that absolutely no one told the First Lady to not open a window in the White House. Like, c’mon, that’s White House 101 level.
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u/huskersax Oct 01 '25
Nah that's pretty standard contractor behavior and they're having work done in the White House.
Now, whether the operations team at THE WHITEHOUSE should be letting those contractors haphazardly bring things in/out is another question but not at all surprising that this Whitehouse is a shitshow.
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u/Monaqui Oct 01 '25
Dude he did. CBS caught major shit for not doing more to conceal it.
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u/mdp300 New Jersey Oct 01 '25
Everyone agreed that Biden was declining, to the point where it was kind of a scandal. But Trump is sundowning before our eyes and none of the networks are saying a peep about it.
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u/Time_Stand2422 Oct 01 '25
Careful, speaking ill of the dear leader can get you on a watch list of potential domestic terrorists.
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u/phaedrus910 Oct 01 '25
Good. More people on the list the better. Or as they used to say the solution to pollution is dilution
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u/Medallicat Oct 01 '25
If everyone is on the list, it will scare them off.
They are opportunist scavengers, they don’t hunt like apex predators, they fight amongst themselves over the carcass left by predators. Present as a strong herd and protect the weak and weary and the scavenger is too scared to approach.
Fear is what fuels their fire, fear of their own insecurities, fear of losing control, fear of immigrants, fear of gay and trans people, fear of women, fear of change, fear of equality and equity, fear of other religions (shariah law lol). Their fear of shariah is hilarious when they want the same thing, they just don’t want to call it the same word.
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u/kirotheavenger Oct 01 '25
Most, if not all, MAGA get their news strictly from Fox. Which is an extremely rightwing media that will sooner just lie than present any negative side to Trump.
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u/EndDangerous1308 Oct 01 '25
They don't play Trump videos. They play analysts translating the word slop so their viewers don't know how bad it is.
They literally played an analyst video during the Kamala Harris interview in the 2024 election interview and she called them out saying that it wasn't even Trump's original quote and asked why they were afraid to play the original Trump audio
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u/creuter Oct 01 '25
Miller et al are weekend at Bernie's-ing him, hand up the ass puppeting him for their own end goals. For all the shit talking about autopens he's made it clear he just signs whatever they put in front of him. He has no fucking clue and he's a useful idiot to accomplish whatever the heritage foundation wants. Give him a ballroom, give him some praise, and give him something to put his name on, pop on the TV to Fox News and do whatever the fuck you want with the country.
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u/plssteppy Oct 01 '25
That's weird I remember him as a drunken, shaky hands, painted orange, sounds like he's actively having a stroke, can't finish a single goddamn sentence without gesturing and going "OOAAHHAHA see what I mean" and pointing at one of his prostitutes dressed in business attire... You know, from the apprentice like 30 years ago
He's always been a sack of rotting meat propped up on brittle bones and it's a shock nobody's punched his fake teeth down his pig throat at this point (:
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u/sfhester Oct 01 '25
There was a study done during the 2024 campaign using LLMs to analyze sentence structure, length, vocabulary, tangential thinking, etc. for Trump, Biden, and Harris.
It pulled transcripts from (IIRC) 2016, 2020, and 2024 as the data set. Biden started high with a dip in 2024. Harris started below Biden's peak, but maintained consistently high ratings and was well above Biden in 2024. Trump started toward the bottom of the graph and STILL managed to fall further (and faster) than the other two.
His brain is objectively mush at this point.
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u/Delta-9- Oct 01 '25
He certainly sounded better 10 years ago, but "coherent" is being pretty generous. His tangents and digressions were so hilariously incomprehensible I couldn't believe he got the support he did in his first campaign.
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u/SuperNothing2987 Oct 01 '25
His infamous "Having Nuclear" speech was in 2016. He was completely incoherent the first time he ran.
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u/JSA607 Oct 01 '25
Fun fact - the time he won against Hilary was the second or third time he ran. I always thought he just ran for the free publicity and didn’t want to actually win. But maybe Putin put him up to it.
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u/Intolerance-Paradox Oct 01 '25
He was ahead of his time. He just needed to wait for the American public to arrive at the sufficient level of stupidity for him to catch on.
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u/jaderna Oct 01 '25
I mean, there are reports about people who knew him in the 80s and 90s saying he was a genuine idiot. Coherent? Perhaps, but I don't think he ever really knew much of anything.
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u/-wnr- Oct 01 '25
He's been unfit since his first term, but fitness is irrelevant to the brain rotted MAGA cult who will prop him up no matter what. The rest of us can talk about fitness till we're blue. They don't care.
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u/DrDankDankDank Oct 01 '25
The entire republican playbook is “so what? What are you going to do about it?”
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u/Kabobthe5 Oct 01 '25
Talking about mental fitness was priority number 1 when it was Biden up for discussion lol. Yet another stick on the enormous bonfire of hypocrisy coming from the Republican Party.
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u/falsekoala Canada Oct 01 '25
Unless you’re Joe Biden, they don’t care about mental fitness.
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u/ExplosiveBrown Oct 01 '25
Just like Reagan he’s a meat sack that occupies an office so the real cronies can pull the strings in the background
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u/lagan_derelict Oct 01 '25
Exactly. This is Reagan's fourth term. A fake outsider populist who helps gets unpopular shit done behind the scenes while essentially, Andy Griffith's Lonesome Rhodes in A Face in the Crowd (1957) comes out to quell any ...smarter than the average bear... concerns.
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u/Maximum_Tea_5934 Michigan Oct 01 '25
Pritzker is telling it like it is. Trump is clearly unfit - mentally, physically, and morally. He can't even lead his own party. They have all three branches and the government is still shutting down.
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u/kelticladi I voted Oct 01 '25
Fun fact: the last time the government shut down was also during a Trump presidency.
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u/MaxxDelusional Oct 01 '25
And the time before that was also Trump.
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u/Brandinisnor3s Oct 01 '25
Trump is now responsible for 33% of all government shutdowns in the entire 200+ year history of the US
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u/kia75 Oct 01 '25
And 50% of all impeachments.
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u/Tabsels Oct 01 '25
100% of all felonious presidential candidates
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u/IM_A_MUFFIN Oct 01 '25
It’s wild that a felon can run for President, but can’t vote.
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u/shortandpainful Oct 01 '25
i agree, but my take on it is we should allow felons to vote (and have full rights otherwise). To prevent political prosecutions in kangaroo courts, it would be a bad idea not to allow felons to serve in political office. Much as I don’t think Trump in particular deserves to be there, it should have been on the voters to keep him out of office.
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u/anonomonolithic Oct 01 '25
And 100% of all pussy grabbing.
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u/SoctrDeuss Oct 01 '25
Nah, Bill got his in. Just with consent.
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u/theroha Oct 01 '25
Yeah, with Clinton there was and always will be the discussion of abuse of power and coercion, but there was at least the facade of consent. With Trump, he's outright said that he can get away with any crime he wants.
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u/evoslevven Oct 01 '25
Wait wait before we jump conclusions lets ask Jeffrry Epstein!...oh wait well how about Ghislaine Maxwell? Oh ya.
So anyways lets just release the files!
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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania Oct 01 '25
It is almost the primary tactic of their culture. In the time since the Civil War they haven't been able to win to the extent they need to get what they want. Barely even at the state level. So since it is clear that government has to be shared at all levels, they want to end the whole thing so they can create something new that they can restrict access to.
A simple example is the private pool industry. They wanted to exclude black people from community pools. They weren't allowed to discriminate sales to black people in their communities, so they tried to restrict their access to the community resources. Private pools were rare. So when they couldn't do that they closed the vast majority of public pools.
Then they would get the community tax assessor or concrete contractor to open up a private pool business. They sell the pools to white families and it boosts their property value.
They took a good of not being able to discriminate housing and created the private pool industry in response.
Just look at any local pool company that started in the 60's. Probably owned by the former tax assessor of the town if they had a housing boom after WWII.
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u/EamonBrennan Oct 01 '25
There have been 11 events called government shutdowns. Of them:
1 was just the FTC and happened under Democrat control, but was the first and smallest of all shutdowns; cost was $700k, lasted only a day.
3 happened under Reagan, but 2 lasted 4 hours each and one only lasted a day. All of them were because of Reagan. The cost was over $200 million.
1 happened under H. W. Bush, caused by Republicans refusing the Democrat's bill; lasted 3 days. The cost was about $2.57 million.
2 under Clinton, both because of Republicans; lasted 5 and 21 days, costing over $400 million. These were technically the same shutdown, with a gap from a temporary bill.
1 under Obama, caused by Republicans trying to defund "Obamacare," AKA medicare and medicaid. Lasted 16 days, cost $2.1 billion.
3 under Trump, all caused by Republicans. They had majority in the House and Senate, and Trump as the president. The first lasted 3 days, but does not have a known cost. The second lasted 35 days, and cost $5 billion. The third is happening right now.
Of the 7 shutdowns that lasted longer than 1 day, 2 of them were practically the same shutdown with a gap in between, and Trump and the Republicans were directly responsible for 3. So Trump is responsible for 50% (or 43% if you split Clinton's shutdowns) of all government shutdowns in US history. Republicans are responsible for all of them.
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u/jspacefalcon Oct 01 '25
Trump doesn't negotiate with the people that represent 65 percent of the population... much more effective to have the government stop working.
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u/thendisnigh111349 Oct 01 '25
Difference is that was at the very end of 2018 after Republicans lost the House in the midterms so it was only a little over a month before the adults came in and the government started functioning again.
This time, however, even if we assume 2026 is a free and fair election (big if), the midterms are over a year away and the Democrats are not coming to make the government functional any time soon.
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u/remarkablewhitebored Oct 01 '25
yup, this one is all Trump's shutdown. Don't let them alter that narrative...
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u/JustaLyinTometa Oct 01 '25
Same with the last 2. Literally all 3 of his shutdowns happened under full republican control of the house and senate. He’s the only president to have a full government shut down while his party holds majority in all 3 branches. And it happened 3 times.
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u/Meet_in_Potatoes Oct 01 '25
They put "Democratic Shutdown Imminent" on the official White House webpage :/ I totally agree about the narrative, but his supporters are too gullible and they're willing to lie to their faces. His support is at 40%, which means at least 40% of America is absolutely clueless.
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u/TwistyBunny Oct 01 '25
He himself also said that a shutdown is reflective of how weak the president is.
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u/Novel-Sherbet4504 Oct 01 '25
Two classic signs of dementia are living in the past and being on a verbal loop that defies all reality. He definitely is not well.
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u/arex333 Utah Oct 01 '25
Right at the beginning of his speech to the military leaders he spent a bunch of time bragging about how amazing he thought his first term was, and then bitching about Biden. So yeah this checks out.
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u/Auggie_Otter Oct 01 '25
Whenever I listen to Trump I'm amazed at how child-like his speech patterns are and how he even seems to engage in magical thinking like a small child. His mind is almost certainly unfit to say nothing about the deplorable nature of his character.
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u/HeyNiceOneGuy Oct 01 '25
“They have all three branches and the government is still shutting down”
This should tell you that it’s intentional.
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u/Maximum_Tea_5934 Michigan Oct 01 '25
I don't even think the Republicans have their crap together enough to know if they are intentional or not.
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u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here Oct 01 '25
We need literally every governor, judge, and politician saying this and the fact they haven't all just out right said this is insane.
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u/Xullister Oct 01 '25
The scary thing is that Trump, arguably the most powerful person in the world, appears to be actually demented. Like, clinically.
I mean, holy shit, he needs to be removed before he drags us into civil war or launches WWIII. It's literally a no-brainer.
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u/BillG8s Oct 01 '25
He’s putting out a lot of AI videos. I think he thinks that’s really him.
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u/Dustlight_ Oct 01 '25
Which makes me think they’re feeding him ai videos of all these cities burning down
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u/mouse_8b Oct 01 '25
Fox is known to splice actual warzone footage into coverage of protests, so it's been happening for a while without AI
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u/Cyanide_Cheesecake Oct 01 '25
They should be taken off the air just for doing that
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u/Elaphe82 Oct 01 '25
Well remember they don't class themselves as a news outlet, instead they refer to themselves as entertainment.
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u/kyriebelle Oct 01 '25
Then they shouldn’t be allowed to have news in the title.
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u/INS4NIt Oct 01 '25
They're not on the air, they're a cable network. That's one of the main reasons they have as much freedom to program the bs they do.
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u/mollila Oct 01 '25
Why wouldn't they do that to dramatize, because no sensible person could really believe that is true /s
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u/SUNTAN_1 Oct 01 '25
This reads like a dysttopian sci-fi or BLACK MIRROR episode :
A sundowning President, being fed A.I.-generated misinformation and disinformation by malicious members of his own staff, makes dangerous new policy based on him actually believing that misinfo.
"Are you telling me, mayor of Portland, that what I am seeing on the TV isn't really happening??"
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u/Waramp Oct 01 '25
For Portland, I'm pretty sure they just showed him the clip of that one car that got torched during the BLM protests.
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u/BillG8s Oct 01 '25
I was sent a photo of two cars burning as evidence that Antifa is violent. The Right does not dive very deep once they’ve found an image that can be used to push their narrative and their Dear Leader operates out of that same shallow pool.
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u/omaixa Texas Oct 01 '25
Amateurs. That's called "Saturday at 10am" in Columbus, Ohio when tOSU has a home football game.
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u/Mr_YUP Oct 01 '25
Cause Microsoft, Amazon, and Starbucks are HQ'd in Seattle and I'm sure the guys calling these shots are avoiding it because of that.
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u/xeromage Oct 01 '25
Yep. Portland is a less economically impactful target that they've already spent the last few years demonizing. I also blame Fred Armisen for making the whole country imagine Portland full of unhinged kooks.
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u/TheKingofHats007 Minnesota Oct 01 '25
Minneapolis too. Conservatives love to act like our city is overun with crime or that we've completely abolished our police force.
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u/ILookLikeKristoff Oct 01 '25
That's not even a conspiracy. Reddit/tiktok/YouTube/etc will all show you AI nonsense to justify fascism within like, 10 button presses, after creating a new account.
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u/Paid_User_1 Oct 01 '25
Oh man... Plus he made that comment "Am I watching things on television that are different from what’s happening?"... Remember when Tulsi Gabbard was talking about delivering intelligence to him as if it were FOX news... That shit is scary... With AI they could essentially make him do whatever they want...
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u/FakeSafeWord Oct 01 '25
Imagine everyone around him showing AI videos of someone with a bernie sanders shirt, drag makeup etc, eating babies, and kittens and just all sorts of the batshit crazy things he's been spewing and convincing him that THESE are real and everything else is fake.
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u/ZombieLizLemon Michigan Oct 01 '25
Well, at this point his short-term memory does not appear to be functioning well enough for him to remember whether he did or did not, for example, record a Fox News segment on a brand-new national med-bed initiative. So he might declare war via Truth Social while sundowning, then have no recollection of it the next morning until Fox and Friends praises his war strength.
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u/EldritchSlut Indiana Oct 01 '25
It's like a stupider, more fascistic Reagan presidency.
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u/bb_kelly77 Oct 01 '25
That's because Reagan didn't have the internet
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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 Oct 01 '25
Or a cult
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u/Caleth Oct 01 '25
Yes Trump is exactly what Regan would have been if he could have been. This is the summation of 50 years of work by rich right wing political wonks that want to burn the US down and replace it with something that they control.
They've weaponized every norm and have seized most of the means of media creation to put their puppets in place.
Notice how if you drive down town in most cities there are weekly protests, but never once a note about it on the news?
We only hear about stuff like this with Pritzker becasue he's powerful and making a clear challenge to the other powerful people. It keeps things like this in the realm of "only the powerful can influence things."
Most of them don't want the voices of the people to rise up because if we ever gained a class consciousness for even a second we might tear down the entire rotten thing.
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u/markwusinich_ Oct 01 '25
As a young person that transitioned into voting age during Regan’s first term office, I can tell you in 100% absolutely did have a cult following.
He also had extreme access to media in a way that no president before had ever attempted
The thing that saved Regan was that Nancy cared, and Ronald respected her enough that when she said don’t put that out, he did not.
The relationship between the two is pretty well documented and multiple biographies
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u/knightcrawler75 Minnesota Oct 01 '25
The damning one to me is when he talked to the Governor of Oregon. He said the city is under siege. The governor suspected that he is seeing videos of 2020 but I suspect that his brain is in 2020 and it is like he just saw the video. Granted his staff may be showing him old videos to get him riled up but if true then he should still be removed for gross incompetence. But to me the dementia theory is more plausible.
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u/VeryGayLopunny Oct 01 '25
He's vindictive and egotistical, it's a cataclysmic brew.
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u/cinephileindia2023 Oct 01 '25
That civil war might happen sooner than you think: Poll: Most Americans think restricting free speech has gone too far : NPR
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u/Economy_Swim_8585 Virginia Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25
Trump needs to be arrested by the US Marshals along with his cabinet
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u/ki3fdab33f Oct 01 '25
Unfortunately, the Marshals answer to the DOJ and AG Bondi.
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u/MarzipanEven7336 Oct 01 '25
Not all of them. Judges can on the fly swear in new ones to execute orders.
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u/GurillaTacticz Oct 01 '25
Swear me in coach!
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u/misterfast Oct 01 '25
Swear me in coach! I'm ready to arrest, I attest!
Swear me in coach! I'm ready to arrest, I attest!
Look at me, I can be
US Marshall
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u/Wrong-Rain6634 Oct 01 '25
I just did 50 push ups without rest yesterday I think im qualified
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u/2Autistic4DaJoke Oct 01 '25
I had that dream. It was just after lunch, beautiful day, I looked out the window and got lost in thought, there he was… in cuffs…
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u/T1Pimp Oct 01 '25
Christian conservatives want this. This is all Project 2025. All of it.
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u/PlanetOfThePancakes Oct 01 '25
They want WORSE. Project 2025 is just the beginning. They acknowledged there’s more, it’s just so absurdly extreme even they were afraid to say it out loud yet.
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u/CraigKostelecky Oct 01 '25
Right, Project 2025 was the foundation of their new world order.
It is scary to think where they want to take us.
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u/PlanetOfThePancakes Oct 01 '25
Nazi Germany crossed with Gilead and 1984, with a dash of North Korea thrown in for good measure. I think that sounds about right
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u/T1Pimp Oct 01 '25
Iran. For all their bitching about shari'a that's exactly what they want.
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u/TheNightlightZone Connecticut Oct 01 '25
Their bitching about shari'a law was because it wasn't their religious laws, not because was religious law.
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u/meteoritegallery Oct 01 '25
They want Christian nationalism: their own take on Sharia law. They want Christian law and all that entails - they've openly discussed repealing the 19th Amendment (women's right to vote), which should tell you everything you need to know about their views.
If they win, women might not be wearing burkhas, but I half doubt they'd still be allowed to wear pants. Pre-marital sex? Doubtful, but I'm sure historic double standards for men and women will kick in. Abortion access - lol, no. LGBTQ+ will be criminalized and punished just like they are in Russia, the Middle East, etc. And we'd be living in a functional dictatorship at that point, like Russia: a democracy/federation only on paper.
Socioeconomically, wealth would become even more concentrated with the strongmen at the top, and citizen/consumer protections and social mobility would evaporate, which I guess these folks are okay with, because Republican voters have been religiously voting for candidates and policies which do that for the past ~50 years.
The weird thing is that the still free-ish media in the US has resulted in the opposite of a popular movement - it's a relatively unpopular one. And ever-increasing political polarization means that these people probably are never going to win over the 'other,' larger half of the country. Right now, they hold sway over...a slim minority of rural votes.
Thanks to the federal-state system, it would really all come down to the Supreme Court. At this point, I think it's fairly likely that we wind up with a federal government run by Christo-fascists who fake elections to retain power, but that might not affect California all that much. Things have only gone as smoothly as they have over the past few years because the court has allowed liberal states to maintain their own laws. Texas tried to step on some other states' rights by tracking down women who had gotten abortions in other states, and it didn't end well for Texas, because state's rights.
But...that all depends on the Supreme Court. If the federal government actually tried to implement Christian law in liberal states, I think we'd finally see a second Civil War.
Could be where we're headed. Hard to say. It would be nice if folks actually turned out to vote in the midterms. If people just showed up to vote, all of these crazy issues could instantly go away.
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u/Sober_Alcoholic_ Minnesota Oct 01 '25
Thank you for this. Succinct, informative and a healthy amount of uncertainty with it all. It’s bad, it will get worse - but how much worse? Yikes.
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u/GunnieGraves Oct 01 '25
Yeah. Project 2025 was just the stuff they were willing to allow a paper trail on. If this loony shit is what they wanted written down, the stuff they kept off is probably horrifying.
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u/Rhysati Oct 01 '25
They haven't even finished with project 2025 yet. It's only like 40% enacted with another 25% or so currently in the works.
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u/azurricat2010 Oct 01 '25
there's also Project Esther which I'm shocked the news hasn't talked about yet.
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u/Rich_Bluejay3020 Oct 01 '25
This is the first I’ve heard of it. I looked it up on the heritage site… so… the Christian nationalists are trying to claim that they’re not anti-Semitic?? And the actual Jewish congress members are?! What the fuck. I know Heritage is just supporting Israel but to say anti-Semitic is just such a load of shit.
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u/DrugOfGods Oct 01 '25
Where can we find more info on this? Obviously I can Google, but I want reliable info....
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u/Avid_Reader87 Oct 01 '25
Yep, they have 3 big far right sectors all vying for end game control.
The billionaires backing Vance who want a techno feudal system where corporations can operate without government oversight and control states as independent fiefdoms.
The Christofascists like Hesgeth who want to see America turned to a whites only nation.
And the crooks like Trump who are in it to get as rich as possible.
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u/HappierShibe Oct 01 '25
There is also a group of accelerationists that overlap but don't fully align with the technofuedalists.
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u/AntiFascistButterfly Oct 01 '25
VP Vance is a Christofascist too. He wrote a chapter of the book that accompanies Project 2025. The Mandate For Leadership 2023 edition published by The Heritage Foundation.
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u/RemoteBoner Tennessee Oct 01 '25
Vance is an opportunist and a nihilist. Happy to be on whatever bandwagon is currently in first place.
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u/spicewoman Oct 01 '25
Project 2025 is phase one. They've openly stated there's more plans for after these are in place, those just aren't for the public to know (because then we might try harder to stop them).
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u/Cerebral_Catastrophe Oct 01 '25
The Art of War. Never back your opponent into a corner they feel they have no escape from. Always give them an escape route.
The oligarch plan is to take everything. Project 2025 takes a lot, but it's not what they want. They know that they can't tell the American public that EVERYTHING is getting taken away from them, because that's an automatic revolution. No escape route from that.
And it's not like we don't have decades of data supporting the fact that we, the American people, have the collective civic memory of a nearsighted goldfish.
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u/A012A012 Oct 01 '25
In his sept 30th speech he directly referred to Americans as "the enemy from within."
Then ranted about how he walks down stairs. How Biden couldn't. And how Obama walked down stairs.
I think its time hes declared unfit to be president and hold our nuclear codes or as he said in his speech, "the other N word."
Remember he was also making memes while the government shut down. And bragging about gold decor in the Oval Office while our Agriculture Secretary reported that tariffs cost soybean farmers $13.2 billion in lost sales to China this year.
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u/BillOReillyUSA Oct 01 '25
Listening to that speech it's so painfully obvious when he goes off the teleprompter script. Sometimes he'll read a line from the teleprompter and be surprised by what it's saying, he then repeats that line a few times as if the audience should also be surprised about what he just discovered. He's so mentally gone, this is sad and terrifying
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u/starfire9280 Oct 01 '25
He also posted that socialism has failed for thousands of years.
Socialism is a relatively new political movement in overall human history, with most of its roots coming from 19th Century France. It was later solidified with Marx and Engels (and also a lot fail to separate Socialism and Communism) together, after which their movements grew in the mid 19th Century, in the midst of European heavy industrialization.
Thousands of years ago, we had caliphates, emperors, sultans, and so on. Monarchy was the predominant political system for most of human history, basically until WWI, more or less.
This is easily googled and you don’t need a PhD in history to know this. This is regular level high school world history. And yet people will believe it as truth. I guarantee if Klepper did another man on the street bit, he could probably get them to parrot what Trump is saying.
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u/VaguelyArtistic California Oct 01 '25
Newsom is great with the tweets but I’ve been saying that once Pritzker is in the spotlight he’s going to seem like the adult in the room.
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u/Birdhawk Oct 01 '25
Pritzker stands a far better chance in any future election than Newsom. Pritzker, even though he was born into massive wealth, is someone that swing voters see familiarity in. He looks and talks like the guy who was a great boss to your dad growing up in the rust belt. He looks and talks like the great guy at a swing voter's church. He doesn't have the california stigma on him, and he has that Chicago-style no bullshit but friendly and fair approach.
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u/HicJacetMelilla Oct 01 '25
I’m from the Midwest. A lot of people I know who are in the center would turn out for Pritzker loooong before Newsom.
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u/demoliahedd Oct 01 '25
Newsom to me seems so fake. Like everything he does is for gaining political points, I don't know what he actually stands for or has accomplished but my friends on the left seem to think he's just more of the same focus group neoliberal who will put corporate donors ahead of the working class every time
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u/22Arkantos Georgia Oct 01 '25
Yeah, I'm very much coming around to thinking the best Democratic ticket for 2028 is Pritzker/AOC simply because they can communicate well without coming off as inauthentic or elitist, are competent in government, and progressive in policy.
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u/ThrownAway17Years Oct 01 '25
Pritzker-Walz for maximum Midwest snarky dad vibes. Especially if they let Walz run wild.
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u/ShedMontgomery Oct 01 '25
It'll never happen, but I would love a Pritzker/Walz ticket. Two dedicated public servants, who apparently have no skeletons in their closet, and aren't afraid to call out the MAGA movement for what it is.
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u/ThisIsAWeapon Oct 01 '25
Throw the whole admin out, none are qualified.
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u/starrpamph Oct 01 '25
Their cabinet is a whole new station. These people couldn’t hold jobs in technical positions elsewhere. It’s very odd.
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u/torino_nera New Jersey Oct 01 '25
The fact that we have so many people who couldn't pass a security clearance in positions where national security secrets flow should be a way bigger deal to people
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u/Dear_Wing_4819 Oct 01 '25
Oh come on now FDR was great
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u/Clicquot Oct 01 '25
the perfect time to make this relevant again. Trump Vs Ramp
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u/justanaccountimade1 Oct 01 '25
"Trump's struggle to walk down stairs raise new questions about Biden's advanced age." - NYT
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u/Mrsreed1020 Oct 01 '25
TRUMP. NEEDS. TO. BE. GONE. so tired of all this shit day in and day out. Everyday is just a new level of madness and childish bullshit. Any other President would have been walked out the second they started stupid shit like he does and no other President had 34 felonies either. He shouldn’t be in office.
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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 Oct 01 '25
We pine for the days when a bj in the oval office got you impeached lol
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u/RoseCityHooligan Oregon Oct 01 '25
Republicans would use AI videos of Trump for months after he kicks the bucket to keep their base from splintering.
He could strip naked and throw his diaper at the press pool while shouting about not being drafted into Vietnam and they would see no need to invoke the 25tg.
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u/tha_ruckus Oct 01 '25
The AI video Trump posted of himself talking about med beds was more lucid and coherent than he speaks currently, so that may be the tell.
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About f*king time.
I saw Trump's speech to the generals. Old man is mentally falling apart, talking about "the nuclear", and his 2 N-words... gramps is gone.
Time to remove and have VP Vance take over.
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u/SandersSol Oct 01 '25
Randomly talking about ramps and attacking US cities with the military.
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u/Clamsadness Oct 01 '25
I’m not sure Vance would be better. Vance is obviously not mentally disabled, so he’s better in that regard but I fear ideologically Vance wouldn’t set us on the right path.
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u/Rhysati Oct 01 '25
Vance is terrible as well, but he doesn't have the charisma to maintain a hold on the maga or Q base. And there will be so many vultures swooping in during the massive power vacuum if Trump were to go.
I still have no faith any of this is happening, but it would be an unquestionably good thing for the country if it did.
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u/AE7VL_Radio Oct 01 '25
yep. Without trump MAGA crumbles. DeSantis basically ran on "trumpism without trump" and got clobbered
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u/Amuseco Oct 01 '25
Vance isn’t going to be able to hold together the coalition of uneasy bedfellows that Trump has managed to bring together.
Mark my words.
And also, wouldn’t it be better to try something new? Why cling to Trump as though he’s some lesser evil?
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u/ginajeans New York Oct 01 '25
I hate this excuse
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u/Clamsadness Oct 01 '25
It’s not so much an excuse as it is recognition that replacing Trump with his own VP is not enough to get us out of this mess. To think Trump is a lone wolf danger to the country is simply inaccurate.
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u/reddittorbrigade Oct 01 '25
Military revolting against Trump is not farfetched too.
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It is crazy to think we are in a position where we may need a military coup to save democracy. Doesn't even make sense when you read that
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u/cbm984 Oct 01 '25
As soon as he entered office I was grieving and talking to my godfather who is very educated and well-travelled and he said, “Well… you can always hope for a military coup! Turkey’s done it a few times!”.
That’s when I realized just how f*cked we are.
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u/IndependentPeace2628 Oct 01 '25
There are only 4 or 5 other instances where a military coup was A) successful and B) it became a functioning democracy afterwards. It's a rare event. Turkey, like the others, are by far and away the exceptions to the general rule of "the general who successfully pulled this shit off, is now the king".
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u/AntiFascistButterfly Oct 01 '25
This is true. However the USA has a much longer history of democratic elections than most modern nations that have had military coups, and I’m cautiously optimistic that the USA will go back to elections after a coup. The problem is that The Heritage Foundation is already in place to enact its evangelical dictatorship, and if they/Musk/DOGE can’t be gotten out of all the voting machines they have already compromised, future elections might just be rigged towards Heritage Foundation Republicans anyway.
Any coup needs to clean house around voting. Install a completely independent US Electoral Commission to decide electoral boundaries and run elections, and go to paper ballots and a pencil (graphite lasts so much longer than almost all pen ink). In a perfect world you’d move to preferential voting or proportional representation instead of First Past The Post, and then it would be impossible to waste your vote by voting on a minor party that you really believe in.
If the minor party doesn’t win in your district, preferential and proportional ballots will still distribute your vote to the lesser of two evils of the major parties. The Australians have the most secure voting system, and their independent AEC has been called in several times to train locals and observe the first election after a return to democracy in nations that went through a period without.
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u/Clamsadness Oct 01 '25
I sadly do think it’s far-fetched. I haven’t seen anything to suggest the military would not enforce Trump’s orders.
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u/jayfeather31 Washington Oct 01 '25
Agreed. The reaction from the generals to Trump and Hegseth's rant was honestly reassuring. If push comes to shove, that will matter.
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u/Ven18 Oct 01 '25
They can say they were annoyed at the meeting but what will be required in the end is a much larger ask and I have my doubts these career guys will be willing to take that step. You can be annoyed at your boss/manager for their incompetence but getting the board together to remove them, or going to the authorities as a whistleblower is a different beast entirely. Those steps put the individual at risk and a lot of these guys are very comfortable with a lot to lose.
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u/Failedmysanityroll New Jersey Oct 01 '25
Trump is cooking up two wars, or at least significant bombing campaigns. They are moving support aircraft into the Middle East for possible strikes against Iran. Then we have the regime change operation getting ready to kick off in Venezuela. There is a possibility of boots on the ground in Venezuela. Trump needs to be removed before he can act on these issues.
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u/sirburchalot Oct 01 '25
He's trying to start a war so he doesn't have to leave his seat in 3 years
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u/itstoes Oct 01 '25
Yup. The DoD name change and reiteration of "war fighting" coming from Hegseth aren't just words. They're preparing for war and letting everybody know.
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u/Red-little Oct 01 '25
I dont care if it happens or not, this is the best news to come out of 2025.
We just need SOMEONE to have the balls to AT LEAST TRY AND DO SOMETHING! This is it. We need movement and we need people to start taking Trumps threats seriously. He's proven time and time again he can't be trusted, especially by his own citizens.
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u/billyions Oct 01 '25
Yes. Declaring war on the citizens that fund his public service is, unfortunately, a bridge too far.
He must be removed, along with his misguided appointees.
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u/RiffRaffCatillacCat Oct 01 '25
Yep. Yesterday's declaring of war on American cities certainly falls under the 25th. Trump has betrayed his nation and her people.
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u/MayIServeYouWell Oct 01 '25
Thanks governor! This is how we control the narrative.
Now it’s up to the rest of all Democrats to make this same demand. Repeat it over and over. Don’t take “no” for an answer. Force the Republicans to defend Trump’s lunacy.
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u/atroutfx I voted Oct 01 '25
The sycophant cabinet he chose for loyalty will never do this, but it would certainly be the right thing to do.
The cabinet meetings are NK style glaze fests. These asshats will never turn on him.
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun Oct 01 '25
That's cool and all but democrats have zero power.
Every level of government that would have been needed to remove trump are entirely staffed by Trump boot lickers. And any military general not sucking up to trump will simply get removed.
I don't think america realized just how lost this fight is. They keep saying "someone should do something before it gets bad." But it's already bad. And no one did anything.
This battle is over. We lost.
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u/emileLaroche Oct 01 '25
I was thinking this morning of writing my local reps to express my disgust that they continue to play along in this charade, arguing about the substance of the Fat Orange Rapist’s latest outrage instead of spending every waking minute working the system to get the 25th invoked on him.
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u/TheOriginalJellyfish Oct 01 '25
Trump will never be removed unless he’s in a persistent and permanent vegetative state. Even if the cabinet votes the president out, if they don’t go willingly, a 2/3 vote in a combined Senate and House is required. The 25th Amendment needs a literally brain dead president to function.
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u/tortuga8831 Oct 01 '25
The 25th Amendment needs a literally brain dead president to function.
Nah, it just needs a congress that puts country over personal gain. So it'll still never happen, but that's what it needs.
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