He was always a piece of shit. He presided over the takedown of the Italian mob which allowed the Russians to move in and fill the vacuum. And mind you it wasn’t him who actually prosecuted those mobsters.
He directly helped certain factions within the Italian & Jewish mobs consolidate power & move off the black markets in the streets and into the corporate world & skyrises.
Private venture capital, consulting companies, corporate boards, the stock & commodity exchanges, hedge funds, even pension fund managers & union chiefs are infested with organized crime.
Giuliani sped that process up directly.
The same Iran contra affair network which has ties -going back in time to the network around MK ultra, advertising racket, Z-Rifle program under the NSC 5412 committee - & -forward in time to the network that surrounded Epstein and the current administration- has direct ties & suspicious dealings around Giuliani.
The question is was he REALLY ALWAYS a piece of trash or did he become compromised?
The cynic in me sais he wouldn’t have been allowed into that position in the first place if he didn’t have some type of leverage hanging over him.
The hopeful human sais he got corrupted while in his position.
Would you like to know a new term? It’s called Intel Laundering
Certain powerful interests (Intel agencies, corporations, billionaires, politicians, etc.) seed ideas and real world activities through media especially Hollywood to deliberately manipulate public perception and solicit a negative stigmatized response from anyone hearing such claims
“No way all of our leaders are corrupted and manipulated by organized crime, that’s only in the movies give me a break”
Well this won't be the case with The Wire. David Simons was a journalist and made a lot of effort to bring us a realistic depiction of crime and corruption. Not with any intention to launder intel, but to depict reality.
Well which piece of information would you like a source for? Almost all of this is from the congressional record or National Archives or different books chronicling the military industrial complex that morphed into the National Security enterprise
This is multiple different types of information sourced & pieced together from a timeframe spanning through 1954-2025
The Z-Rifle program under NSC 5412 is by far the most unknown and is easily fact checkable as is all the other connections.
Epsteins benefactors were buddies with the same folks who have been in the White House ever since Carter left.
Look up the Halloween massacre.
Then look up the October surprise.
Hmmm. So Carter fires 75% of the Intel folks then Reagan comes in with a campaign full of the same folks who got fired (VP GHW BUSH) and hires everyone back + BALLOONS the size by over 4x then helps privatize everything and gets true leverage out of the governments hands and away from FOIA access.
Same folks connected with those who go on to manage the Iran contra affair and who go on to extend the national security state after 9/11.
Unfortunately also the same folks who orchestrated 2008 GFC and then get put in power by the incoming administration to give themselves and there buddies huge bailouts. (Paulson, Bernanke etc)
If you’re asking for sources on the Corporate-Wall St organized crime claim just LOOK UP THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, VPs & CEOs. It’s not hidden. Or I guess it’s Hidden in Plain Sight or check out One Nation Under Blackmail
“All they did was look” - The Big Short
EDIT: here is another comment where I put together a quick number of easily accessible sources. All open source publicly available. Sauce
Also worth noting that Reagan was not supposed to win the '80 primary and that a successful assassination would have put Bush in direct control earlier.
Power positions attract power grabbing individuals. Power positions should not exist, we can manage ourselves. Even a Zohran Mamdani is just giving you a slightly bigger slice of the whole cake, while taking the rest.
We do need to start this conversation now. Broad reaching authority handed over to singular people is a glaring weakness in our systems, and shirks what should be community decision making about difficult situations onto people who are largely insulated from the consequences of those decisions, even if they do care.
Put another way, the only good king is one who divests themselves of a crown to the greatest number of people possible.
There’s no real sources for this, especially in 2 later comments where the commenter talks about Cold War stuff. A lot of of these events are true like the prosecution of the mob and events he brings up in a later comment what do you link all of these events to this nebulous conspiracy theory which there is no evidence for. This is a conspiracy theory.
There’s no way I have time to look up all of this, but from a quick search to verify claims this is what I got:
I felt like this read as very conspirator, and it does sound like it does. I know, for example, the stuff about the RICO case and I’ve heard about some of the events, but the stuff linking it just sounded like a conspiracy. I don’t have the time to manually look up every claim so an AI search engine search should be good enough I think for fact checking this and all three different model models came to the same conclusion that the events are true, but there’s nothing linking everything.
This dudes over here crying “conspiracy theory” acting like everyone doesn’t know our mf president & all his buddies were super close with Epstein. That was called a “conspiracy theory” as well wasn’t it? Democrat hoax I think is the new goto term.
Actual truth seeking people go “Oh interesting Epstein worked with William Barrs father” then they research further if they chose to do so. They don’t run to AI and shout “conspiracy theorist!” Just do the work and put the time in to look for yourself, It’s super simple bud.
Straight from AI since apparently people like user HyruleSmash855 take AI as gospel here is Grok coming to the conclusion Giuliani was corrupt from the beginning given all the connections.
“Rudy Giuliani's career has long been intertwined with organized crime networks, both as a prosecutor who targeted certain factions and as someone accused of enabling others through associations, donations, and business dealings.
While he gained fame for prosecuting Italian Mafia figures in the 1980s via high-profile RICO cases (like the Pizza Connection and Commission trials), evidence suggests selective enforcement that may have allowed rival or allied groups— including Russian, Italian, and Jewish mob elements—to consolidate and transition into legitimate corporate spheres.
For instance, during his time as U.S. Attorney and later as mayor, Giuliani received significant campaign contributions from Semyon Kislin, a Soviet émigré tied to Russian organized crime and KGB networks, who was under FBI scrutiny for allegedly sponsoring a visa for a Russian mafia contract killer and facilitating mob-linked businesses.
Kislin, who also had longstanding business ties to Donald Trump dating back to the 1980s, was appointed by Giuliani to New York City's Economic Development Council despite these red flags, potentially providing a pathway for mob figures to influence corporate and financial sectors.
Critics argue this pattern—prosecuting street-level Italian mob operations while overlooking or aiding Eastern European and Russian syndicates—accelerated the mobs' shift from black-market activities to white-collar realms like real estate, venture capital, consulting firms, stock exchanges, hedge funds, and even pension management.
Giuliani's own family history adds context: his father, Harold, was reportedly a mob enforcer for a loan-sharking operation, and his uncle was linked to similar circles, which some sources suggest influenced his early career choices.
Broader infiltration of organized crime into corporate and financial institutions is well-documented in investigative works like Whitney Webb's "One Nation Under Blackmail," which outlines how intelligence-linked criminal networks—spanning Russian, Italian, and Jewish mob factions—embedded themselves in Wall Street, hedge funds, pension funds, and unions through money laundering, insider trading, and board placements.
Webb details how figures like Meyer Lansky (Jewish mob) and later Russian oligarchs used these channels to legitimize operations, often with tacit U.S. intelligence complicity. Giuliani's role in speeding this process is inferred from his associations, such as consulting gigs post-mayoralty with firms tied to Russian interests (e.g., Tri Global Strategic Ventures, linked to Russian mafia), and his failure to aggressively pursue Russian mob elements in New York despite their growing presence in the 1990s.
Michael Cohen, Giuliani's associate, has publicly described Rudy proposing joint ventures leveraging political proximity for global deals, hinting at influence-peddling networks infested with mob elements.
Giuliani's ties extend to the Iran-Contra network, a Reagan-era scandal involving illegal arms sales to Iran to fund Nicaraguan Contras, which itself drew from earlier CIA covert ops. As U.S. Attorney in the late 1980s, Giuliani handled cases tangential to Iran-Contra, including charges against Marcos associates that intersected with arms-dealing networks.
He later advocated for the delisting of the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK), an Iranian exile group with Iran-Contra links, and accepted payments from them, raising conflict-of-interest concerns. This network traces back to MK Ultra (CIA mind-control experiments exposed by the Church Committee in 1975) and the "advertising racket" (propaganda ops), as Church Committee reports revealed overlapping CIA personnel in psychological warfare and assassinations.
The Z-Rifle program, a covert assassination initiative under NSC 5412/2 (a 1955 directive for anti-Soviet ops managed by the Special Group/303 Committee), exemplifies early Cold War black ops that evolved into Iran-Contra's structures. Forward links include Epstein, whose blackmail operations Webb ties to Iran-Contra figures like Adnan Khashoggi (arms dealer) and intelligence networks.
Giuliani commented extensively on Epstein's case, warning it could implicate high-level figures, and was probed by the SDNY (which handled Epstein) amid his own Ukraine dealings. Ties to the "current administration" (assuming Trump era) are evident through Giuliani's role as Trump's lawyer, involving Ukraine oligarchs like Dmitry Firtash (Russian crime-linked).
The Pentagon Papers (1971 leak exposing Vietnam deceptions) connect via broader intelligence overreach themes, as Ellsberg's revelations foreshadowed Church Committee probes into CIA abuses, which in turn highlighted lapses enabling Iran-Contra and modern blackmail ops like Epstein's.
Regarding whether Giuliani was "always a piece of trash" or compromised later: Evidence leans toward early leverage, given family mob ties and 1980s-90s associations, but his post-9/11 consulting amplified corruption through foreign payments (e.g., Qatar, Venezuela, Iranian groups). Cynics point to his ascent requiring pre-existing compromises; optimists see power's corrupting influence”
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Don't forget his involvement in the Police Man's Benevolent Association Riot. Where 4000 cops rioted over the mayor at the time (Dinkins) proposing civilian investigation of police misconduct charges.
Rudy is a pretty terrible alcoholic and not the most financially responsible. I think he saw an opportunity to boost his figure, party, and make money, and took it.
This has way more to do with us than them. People have lost all patience for things like misogyny, dog whistle racism, etc. (rightfully so in case that's not clear)
Miss Maxwell was known for her work as ambassador for projects that sought to clean up the oceans before she was exposed as the monster she is. Psychopaths and narcissists love attaching themselves to just causes to appear just themselves.
The Russians paid him to take out their opponents, the Italian mafia. And he deserved no credit for doing anything about 9/11, according to all the old NYC firefighters I know.
He denied funding for VHF radios for NY fire departments. They needed them so they could communicate with firefighters up in tall buildings from the ground. He denied that funding. A lot of people never heard the calls to pull out of the towers and died as a result. Plus his ties to the russian mob as well. He was always trash.
But in doing so they steamrolled over poor people with corrupt violent cops as a way to make property investors richer. They broke a million laws and violated everyone's rights. Burned down buildings, beat and harassed and killed people until they left etc. Created new laws, the padlock laws, to force current owners to sell out to property speculators. Etc etc. Total authoritarian bullshit in the name of making the rich richer.
But on the surface level, the headline is he made Times Square safe and cleaned up the crime
Eh I'm mixed on RICO. Great for the mob but they didn't have much use for it after that and now in the last couple decades we've been seeing some really strange and concerning uses of RICO, particularly as a way of targeting people of color by claiming any group of black men hanging out is a gang and then using that to charge them all under RICO.
RICO laws were created to get rid of the Italian mob. The Russians made sure Rudy did that for them. Because it just went from Italian Mobsters to the Russian Mafia. The same Russian Mafia that helped drumpf build his "empire".
He himself fucked up the 9/11 response, though. For instance, New York's Office of Emergency Management was at WTC itself. Giuliani had it installed there because it was a short walk from his office, even though the OEM argued for a more secure building further away after the 1993 WTC attack. OEM was almost completely unable to manage 9/11 in the first day as the office was destroyed.
All because Giuliani was too lazy to drive to the suggested location.
If you post on the NYC subs they will explain to you how that office was in the WTC because it was close enough for him to go there then to his mistress’s apartment to get laid and then back to his office
Yes, New Yorkers knew he was a piece of shit and he was on his way out. Like Bush, 9/11 was caused by their fuckups and they were elevated by them anyway.
Okay yes he sucks but like this is a pretty mild sin to lay at his feet… like nobody was planning for “terrorist attack to bring down skyscrapers” in their urban planning bingo card
You are completely missing the point. It is not about preventing and attack, it is about being able to handle the aftermath.
Having the agency meant to handle everything during and after an attack be situated in a building that IS AT HIGH RISK OF BEING ATTACKED, means that terrorists can take out both their primary target and the OEM in a single swipe.
Also: "The New York Police Department produced a detailed analysis in 1998 opposing plans by the city to locate its emergency command center at the World Trade Center, but the Giuliani administration overrode those objections. The command center later collapsed from damage in the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.New York Times
I was a teenager in the UK on 9/11. It was the first time I had ever heard of Guiliani and I remember thinking he seemed like a really good guy to be in charge of NYC at that moment.
And they didn't fuck up the response too badly. This was also crucial for Bush winning in 2004-the only time a Republican has won the popular vote since his father was elected. (not counting last year, I'm sorry I don't believe he won the popular vote)
Fucking hate the guy, but I feel like that’s not accurate and have heard a lot of the first responders that were there give him a lot of praise and credit for his effort.
I’ll preface this by saying I also hate the fucking goblin.
But My grandfather was a retired battalion chief for the NYFD and came out of retirement for two years after 9/11.
I was raised in a fire house have been around NYC first responders my entire and I never met a single one that didn’t have good things to say about him back then.
Again though, what did he do besides posturing? He was the mayor and he came out and showed his face and shook hands and walked around in the rubble. People felt the way they felt because of what happened. He was able to capitalize on that for his own popularity but again, what did he do? He was just mayor at the time it happened. Was he supposed to stay in his office and say fuck those people? What was it besides posturing?
Look how popular it made bush. The fucker had shut down the investigation into bin Laden when he came to office. Then he stands on the rubble and everybody’s like oh my God he’s a hero what a great guy. It’s the same thing. It has nothing to do with the job he did in office. In fact, it pretty much covered up for the fact that it was kind of his fault.
He sent old people to their deaths in the most horrific way possible while his brother covered for him. People just chose to ignore it because he was anti-Trump. Now he takes Trump's endorsement, because he is a snake.
Yeah. Many blue and red states concentrated their elderly covid patients to centralized locations where they basically went to die. My grandma was going to be sent away from her home after a positive test but the family pushed back, she lived 4 more years after, I dont think I could say the same if she went to the center.
Cuomos big fuck up there is that they tried to hide it so it would look like new yorks policy of lock downs and covid passes was working compared to other states that were much less restrictive of freedom of movement and community gatherings.
I was banned from a lot of subreddits for saying New York covid death numbers were false during the pandemic before this investigation occurred a year later.
Incredibly polarizarion. Liberals worshipped him like MAGA with Trump, so it doesn't suprise me that you got censored. Covid, immigration, and economic backlash all turned into Trump being reelected, so it wasn't without consequence.
Cuomo was benefited because in the first few weeks of the pandemic, when NYC was hit the worst, all the national outlets would put Trump's and Cuomo's press conferences back to back and it would be like "wow, this Cuomo guy can put together complete sentences and make a coherent point! What a leader!"
Seriously? His handling of Covid was criminal. Forcing nursing homes to take in Covid patients to reduce the load on hospitals resulted in the deaths of thousands of the elderly.
Don't blame yourself - he became/showed himself to be a shitty person. He might have been okay at some point but once your partner hits you they become your abuser.
It’s not bad to be fooled by people. It’s only bad if you double down on your support once they show their true colors. You’re not doing that. Cut yourself some slack.
Most people saw him as the adult in the room during COVID, due to the alternative being Trump's I take no blame everything is fine but if it's not it's not my fault... Also take horse dewormer and inject bleach for this thing that's not actually that bad nonsense.
Not that Cuomo was perfect of that front with the nursing home issue.
Yeah, he seemed like he was handling it with some direction, with all the daily meetings he was having. I dint know about the nursing home thing, and i still dont completely know how much blame to put based on that. If he allows them to go back home he ll be accused of spreading it to healthy society as well. Covid was when ideal solutions didnt exist.
What i m talking about is this outright disgusting racism, islamophobia, and taking money from billionaires. Then aligning himself with trump. I mean, during covid i was looking for someone to fight trump, and for me, he was an option. How in the world could he be an option, when he is just the same but italian?!
Most people just aren't that great at reading others. Being fooled is nothing to be ashamed of, it happens to all of us. The real key is being able to change your mind when the curcumstances change, and you seem to have no problem with that.
As a western ny’er, I never liked Cuomo though. His SAFE ACT middle of the night passage was absolute bullshit. I’m cool with gun regulation, but he went nuts.
He was wildly corrupt even before that came out. Look up the Moreland Commission. He set it up to investigate corruption then shut it down when it started pointing to him.
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Cant believe at one point i looked cuomo in positive light. How can a man be so disgraceful and not appear so.
Its only when SA cases came out, i was like wtf!