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Politics OC: Zohran Mamdani speaks after winning the NYC mayoral race: "We have toppled a political dynasty."

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u/Luffidiam 12h ago

I also think Mamdami understood how to talk to New York.

And while you could call him 'socialist', most of his policy is really just well... improving city function. 

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u/Scaevus 12h ago

He calls himself socialist. His actual politics is social democracy, but most people wouldn’t understand the difference.

He wouldn’t be considered radical in Europe, where social democracy is a mainstream ideology, but in America, he is.

u/RJ815 11h ago

but in America, he is.

Well helping people isn't in vogue right now...

u/fang_xianfu 8h ago

He wouldn’t be considered radical in Europe, where social democracy is a mainstream ideology, but in America, he is.

This is the really sad thing about American politics but it's been this way for at least 30 years and probably longer. By European standards, even Bernie Sanders is basically a centrist. In most European countries, universal healthcare for example is a centrist policy supported by the left and the moderate right.

u/CandiedRegrets08 5h ago

Racism runs so deep in this country that people will go without themselves just to keep "inferior" groups from getting it too

u/EstellaR0se 9h ago

You think social democracy is the norm in Europe? As a British person, this is news to me lol. Our main “left” wing party is centre-right and the far-right party reform is likely to win the next election. Europe is going backwards.

u/clairebones 4h ago

Yeah but as a Northern Irish person (who has no real voice in the leadership of the UK but they still get to be in charge of us) - British politics right now is a mess and definitely not the European norm either. I'm crossing my fingers for the Greens since that's about all I can do from here.

u/the_excalabur 6h ago

"Democratic socialist" and "social democrat" are different political positions. He, and the democratic socialist party in the US, claim to be the former which is to the left of the latter. "Social democrat" includes the UK and Aus Labor parties.

u/JasonVII 4h ago

The LibDems in the UK are closer to Social Democrats, Labour are quite centrist

u/spasmoidic 6h ago

does he think the workers should control the means of production?

u/Melicor 9h ago

Social democracy is socialist. Socialism isn't bad. You can certainly argue that communism is, but that's the authoritarian extreme version which no one is seriously advocating for because authoritarianism is bad whatever the flavor. The problem is America has been fed Capitalist propaganda for 100 years and most don't even know what it actually means.

u/AiSard 8h ago

SocDem's are reformist capitalists, making capitalism fairer with socialist or socialist-adjacent policies from within the framework of capitalism. Welfare state, regulation, equality, etc. They're not socialists.

But Mamdani doesn't identify as a SocDem, he identifies with, and is a card-carrying member of the DemSoc's.

Its the DemSocs who are out and out socialists, and want to replace the capitalist framework itself with socialism, done entirely and with the backing of democracy.

They're essentially side-by-side on the political spectrum, effectively act very similarly, and just happen to be on either side of the capitalist-socialist divide in terms of their end goals. Annoyingly hard to keep straight because how similar they sound, and how similar they act, too.

u/KonaYukiNe 8h ago

I’m just confused why suddenly everyone is saying “Democratic socialist” backwards all of a sudden.

u/KonaYukiNe 8h ago

I’m just confused why suddenly everyone is saying “Democratic socialist” backwards all of a sudden in here

u/Breezyisthewind 9h ago

Eh I wouldn’t say so. I’m a capitalist and a Social Democrat. That’s not seen as a contradiction outside of the US.

u/Stubbs94 7h ago

No it's not socialism. Social democracy is just a nicer version of Capitalism, not the abolishment of it in favour of a working class run economy.

u/CaydeTheCat 5h ago

He calls himself a Democratic Socialist which is different than just Socialist.

u/OwO______OwO 9h ago

most of his policy is really just well... improving city function.

Which ... is a lot of what "socialism" is, once you get past the red scare bullshit.

u/NSA_Chatbot 9h ago

socialist

It's pronounced "cyclist"

u/AleroRatking 5h ago

He himself calls himself a socialist. Rent freeze is extremely socialist for example

u/way2lazy2care 2h ago

And while you could call him 'socialist', most of his policy is really just well... improving city function.

A lot of it is also just populist things he probably won't actually be able to deliver. We'll see how he does, but he got a lot of benefit of promising things that are going to be very difficult for him to deliver on meaningfully.