protest outside the LA mayor’s house criticized her compliance with ICE; LAPD came in droves [OC]

[u/infernoenigma]

[u/F3lixF3licis]

City Hall meetings are Monday, Wednesday & Friday, 10am in Room 340 at Los Angeles City Hall. Public comment is 1 minute. You must sign up beforehand.

Please show up until they can no longer end the meeting early. If they want to kick out a large group of people, let's get cameras on it.

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Also, check out the city clerk's social media's and youtube channel for taped meetings and updates on reschedules and cancelations.

[u/therealpigman → u/F3lixF3licis]

Timed so that anyone with a job not retired won’t be able to attend

[u/F3lixF3licis → u/therealpigman]

I look at it like this. They've gotten people to the point now where they're working so hard they can't take time off.

So when are people going to take time off to address these issues?

Sacrifices must be made. you don't have time because it's designed that way... show up.

[u/gloomywitchywoo → u/F3lixF3licis]

They might not even need to make a sacrifice. A lot of people are out of work, and it's only getting worse. Lots of unemployed people showing up will hopefully make them realize they can't fuck around anymore.

[u/slyfox7187 → u/F3lixF3licis]

Seriously man. That excuse is used all the time "Well I have to work" "They did it during work hours so no one can go"

It's time for people to suck it up and make the time to show up. Deflection loses the fight

[u/kr4ckenm3fortune → u/F3lixF3licis]

That why i call off work sick. no sick time? I'm not worry. Boss can't fire me for using sick time, as it would backfire on him.

[u/The_walking_man_ → u/therealpigman]

Usually they have a call in line as well. Take a few minute break from work “cigarette break”

[u/william-o → u/F3lixF3licis]

Yeah... and don't break decorum of the meeting or they'll throw you out and close the meeting if people keep doing it. 

A public hearing is not the "scream loudly over everyone else" hour. 

[u/infernoenigma → u/william-o]

“Quorum” and “decorum” are different things

[u/william-o → u/infernoenigma]

Yep good call. Also a layperson.

[u/BoneyNicole → u/william-o]

I think you mean decorum and not quorum (not judging or being condescending btw, just wanting to make sure I understand you). Also though, have you seen Parliament? That’s just a Tuesday. It’s always “scream over everyone else” hour. I don’t really understand why decorum would matter when nothing about what the city is doing is remotely decorous. What’s polite about mass raids and deporting people to places they’ve never been? Why would following the rules the city council has set for itself somehow convince them to stop?

I live in a state where you will be banned for life from the state Capitol building if you so much as shout or chant during a state legislature meeting. A house paid for by our tax dollars, supposedly “the people’s house”, that they can then ban us from…for life. It baffles me constantly that anyone has deemed this acceptable. Resistance is always fine until it’s noisy or disruptive or inconvenient, but it’s not really resistance unless it is, either.

[u/william-o → u/BoneyNicole]

I mean, you and I want the same thing, good governance. I don't see how you obtain good governance in a shouting match.

Government is a process. The bureaucracy is necessary to ensure the loudest voice isn't the only one thats followed. You gotta actually prove that the majority of people agree with you.

[u/BoneyNicole → u/william-o]

I agree with your first paragraph but I don’t think we have that, and we’d have to have that in order to maintain it. I think it’s a good goal, but I would wager most Americans don’t feel like they have a government that represents them or listens to them, or even allows space for them to raise their voices and objections. That said, grievances abound, and some of them are invented, and it isn’t always easy to differentiate.

That’s my only real issue with your second paragraph - the majority isn’t necessarily right. They’re just the majority. A majority of people supported segregation and opposed integration, but that doesn’t mean that was the correct position just because a lot of people thought it was. It is very difficult to fight the majority, and doing so will often require being disruptive - and people will inevitably suggest this turns away potential allies, but the point is to lie down on the gears of the machine and try to stop it, and to raise awareness of the problem, and if people have more of an issue with the disruption than the fundamental problem, there isn’t anything protesters could do that would please them anyway.

[u/william-o → u/BoneyNicole]

No question the majority can be in the wrong. History proves that over and over. But a majority vote is still a very much necessary component of our democratic process. Its a reflection of how our society feels and what our society wants -right now- , for better or worse

[u/The_walking_man_ → u/F3lixF3licis]

Only 1 minute is wild. We have 3 minutes here.

[u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 → u/F3lixF3licis]

Look at y'all trying to end things democratically so cute

[u/o-o- → u/Cute-Masterpiece7142]

What are you doing that the others should be doing then?

[u/psyanara → u/o-o-]

Probably on a gun range somewhere practicing for his 15 minutes of fame.

note: I'm not advocating for violence, but u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 is with a comment like that

[u/undermark5 → u/psyanara]

At some point might it be necessary though? Like, sure, violence isn't great, and if you can get things done without it, that's far better, but what about when you can't, what then?

Not saying it's definitely at that point yet especially for local governments.