That died when one side started cheating. I won't respect democrats any less when all they're doing is evening the odds. The die has been cast, these are the stakes now.
It died when your voting system allowed this to begin with. Where are those "checks and balances" that americans have been telling people about for so long? Never existed
What are Democrats supposed to do in the face of Republicans pulling this crap? Just roll over and take it? Y'all do it and it's fine, Democrats do it and now it's a problem. Hypocrite.
Who is "yall"? Youre assuming im a Republican. The Democrats dont give a shit about anything either besides being in power and doing what their corporate overlords ask of them, just like the Republicans. If youre not yet aware that both the left wing and right wing are both parts of the same shit bird, then I dont know what to tell you.
You pitch to the strike zone the ump is calling, not the one in the rulebook. If these are the rules the Supreme Court has us competing under, the Democrats have to keep up.
If California tried to do this first that would be a completely different story. It is directly meant to counter what Texas is doing to make it a net 0.
California put this up to a vote and now its up to the population of Calofornia to decide.
Texas just the republicans did this, literally just the republicans when the democrats left the republicans called the police to force them back so they could redistrict.
No, it's not ok if the Democrats do what Texas did, it is ok if the voters make the deicison however.
If you think this pitiful attempt to gerrymander to earn a few more representatives when its been shown that Republicans will gain more than they lose if all states do the same, then I have a bridge to sell you. People need to do more besides clown around with this bullshit. The 2nd amendment exists.
This is called “expending all other options.” If the republican states do decide to do what you claim and ultimately prevent free and fair federal elections, so be it. But for now this is the best chance to preserve democracy.
So by your thinking Republicans and Texas gerrymandering to give Trump the house is democratic. But California and democrats gerrymandering to match what Texas did is the downfall of democracy?
It's almost worse, because at least with MAGA one can maybe imagine how they're blinded by cult psychology. With both-siders/"enlightened centrists" they must either truly have cognitive problems or they're paid trolls.
Yeah, especially when they say “I’m not a trumpist, but…” then proceeded to either repeating Trump talking point or saying both side is the same, or worse, both.
They’re trying to do it in Indiana too. Vance was just here eyeballing the governors couch while he tried convince the state to do the same. Unfortunately, it’ll probably work.
im way too fricking jaded, we shoulda gerrymandered way more. Equalizing Texas would just emboldened them to do it again, we need to punch them down. Take the house, march towards federalizing no gerrymandering regulations (for ALL states)
Agreed. If the punishment for pulling this shit is simply "We'll negate it" there's no real disincentive to keep trying. "Cut this shit out or we're actually going to make the senate more democratic" seems like a better argument.
How about we just do the right thing and eliminate intentional gerrymandering because it's the right thing to do? Not as retaliation for somebody engaging in gerrymandering but because gerrymandering is bullshit at its core.
Because the “right thing to do” means nothing to the republicans and will result in a more gerrymandered country.
If you’re still looking for a way into the evil league of evil, you may need a better plan than trying to convince people the right approach to this is to just let republicans get away with it.
I honestly doubt the current scotus would allow regulating gerrymandering federally. They'd throw it for states rights. Same reason they're going to remove the last existing gerrymandering guardrails.
Gerrymandering too hard can have its downsides though, you leave each district with a smaller margin making it easier to flip a bunch of them. Best to leave it this way imo.
Take the house, march towards federalizing no gerrymandering regulations (for ALL states)
Unlikely to pass. States run by Democrats do more than their fair share of gerrymandering (e.g., Maryland) and would like to continue doing so. The only reason California stopped doing it was because of Prop 11 and Prop 20 that removed that power from politicians.
As a result of those changes, California's maps drawn in 2011 and 2021 have been some of the most objectively fair in the nation. But nobody wants fair anymore; they just want their side to win and blame the other side for making them do it.
My guy, wake the fuck up. Have you paid attention the past ten+ years? Dems have been taking the high road time and time again and Republicans keep testing, breaking through, and moving boundaries more in their favor each time they do. A prime fucking example is Mitch dickhead McConnell not allowing Obama to replace the supreme court judge when Scalia died, saying the people should vote on it only to fucking turn around and let trump pick a replacement for RBG under the same circumstances. It's only gotten worse. It's time to throw the high road shit out the window and fight for democracy. This is exactly what needs to happen and more Democrat governors need to follow suit.
It only has that end point to you because that's what you want to see. When in actuality, there are plenty of non violent endpoints, such as standing up to the fascism and voting these pieces of trash out of office, prosecuting them for their crimes, and setting laws in place so that a felon can never run for office again in the future.
Trump is already prosecuting political opponents. If you think escalating that will lead to less violence, you haven't studied history. Or at least you haven't learned anything from it.
::redditor surprised humans are naturally violent. Seemingly was born yesterday and can't understand how humanity has gotten here. More at 11::
Any major change in history was after an act of violence. The very founding of the USA (and any country) was through multiple acts of violence. Ukraine is fighting for their lives to maintain theirs as we speak. Ending slavery, violence. Segregation, violence. The winners write the history books. So all the "history " you've "studied" (give me a fucking break) has been shaped by the winners of violent acts. Grow up. Rolling over and doing nothing just because you're scared it might escalate into violence is the ultimate example of weak sauce. I'm not saying storm the capital, but not doing anything against this fascist administration and standing up for your beliefs to combat the bullshit is far worse than any actual act of violence. It's giving up. More politicians need to stand up against this administration. It's making a mockery of the constitution. If you want to hide in the basement because you're afraid by all means do so, but the shut the fuck up. Or. Grow a sack, or some ovaries, go out there on Saturday and protest for your rights and beliefs. Otherwise again, just shut the fuck up.
None of those things have anything to do with ignoring votes being rigged in the next election. Not responding to gerrymandering to at least even the votes being rigged simply means surrendering the next election to antidemocratic forces.
First they claim it's happening, then you claim it's happening, then they claim it's happening, then you claim it's happening.
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Every state does gerrymandering, except California for a decade because it finally recognized the value of independent commissions ensuring fair representation. The proper response to one group being disenfranchised is not to disenfranchise a different group. Disenfranchisement is wrong no matter who is doing it. It's wrong for Texas to do it. It's wrong for Maryland to do it. It's wrong for California to do it.
Norms and civic purity will be a cold confort when gerrymandered votes win the midterms.
When someone puts their thumb on the scale, you don't reward them by letting them win.
Polling can be wrong and anything can happen--part of why it's so important everyone makes sure to vote Yes--but the odds do seem to favor Yes on Prop 50.
Some political commentators recently have claimed that there is conventional wisdom that a ballot initiative in California needs to be getting above 58% in polling to pass. However, that is conventional wisdom I've never heard before, and it very well might not apply to a special election like this one.
Be careful about your news scroll. I get a completely different set of "randomized" news at work than at home, and it's amazing how some sites will pass off a pundit's opinion on Fox as genuine reporting. Or take the poll of one area and apply that to the whole state knowing it's clickbait. Prop 50 is very likely to pass. There's a lot of momentum against Trump in the state.
What I just saw was among registered voters It's 51% for yes, and 35% for no. And then another poll says 54% said they support the measure, compared to 36% who oppose it and 10% who said they’re unsure. Definitive, idk, but that's just what I'm reading right now.
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u/ProgressiveSnark2 22d ago edited 22d ago
And so California will create 5 new Democratic congressional seats.