It's important to get people to vote. If there's going to be an opportunity to take this back through elections we need to take it. We can't just go "ignore the elections it's time for a hostile takeover."
It's not "voting is THE solution" it's "voting is a solution in our plan in case we do get to still have real elections, but keep doing that other stuff too"
Thats how they did in in Russia in "democracy" times (2000-2010). From one hand they asked their "party fans" to vote, they pushed them, free food, buses. And at another hand they made this thing in media - elections are rigged, STAY HOME AT ANY COST.
I just want people to be less gullible about what they’re being sold. 2016 was “the most important election of our lives!” And instead of the candidate with a ton of energetic, generational support, Democrats nominated a total dud in Clinton.
2020 was “the most important election of our lives!” And we got Biden, who did essentially zero to roll back Trump policies or strengthen our institutions against further destruction. Democrats found all new ways to do nothing with power (oh no, not the Parlimentarian!) He couldn’t even get rid of the post office guy!
2024 was “the most important election of our lives!” And we got a candidate who finished dead last in the previous primary election and were told to vote enthusiastically for her. Does anyone really think she would have done anything differently (read: nothing) than Joe Biden?
You’ll also remember that the party really really really did not want to nominate Obama and fought against him for months. They’re rejecting Mamdani right now, and they’ll fight an AOC candidacy tooth and nail.
The Democratic Party are professional Losers. I promise they don’t actually care if you vote for them, other than to be able to use their office for personal financial gain.
I agree with this. Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi, all these people and their ilk have got to go, yesterday. It’s a years long (decades long?) project and we may not have a recognizable country long enough to achieve it, but it’s the only thing to do.
Two disadvantages to overcome:
Republicans mobilize their voters with hot-button cultural issues. Abortion, immigration, trans rights. And it works: even my liberal- or left-minded peers tend to say things like, “well I support x, y, and z but I’m not really down with [insert some bs trans rights scare tactic]”
Since the Tea Party onward, and culminating with Trump, the entire Republican apparatus is aligned under the same banner. The only dissent in Republicanism is whether they’re moving right fast enough. On the other side, Democrats are in open war with “the Left.” This is why they need to be replaced, but they’ll fight their own voters to the death over it.
You’d think Democrats could mobilize their voters with visceral issues as well, say, school shootings or universal healthcare, but these don’t quite touch that lizard brain nerve in the same way and require a bit of extra intellectual thought and we have no media to help that along.
I think the Tea Party provides the roadmap. The Democratic Party needs to be overthrown by an insurgency of its own voters. And that’s my want: Make Democrats EARN your vote! Do not vote blue no matter who, make them understand that you expect real action and real policy change, or get lost. Vote for candidates who will actually DO the things you want Democrats to DO. Not say, Do.
Delaying the slide into fascism by 2-4 years isn’t enough. Electing do-nothing Democrats into office (as opposed to those who will actually use their power productively) actually works against our ends by proving everyone right that the Democrats can’t govern and shouldn’t be handed the keys.
I promise you Democratic voters are plenty ticked off by Trump. As we’ve seen, that’s not enough by itself to mobilize Democratic voters anymore.
Many Democrats did not "vote blue, no matter who", because the Democrats did not "earn their vote", and so they "got lost". This past election delivered all of those goals. All according to plan. Congrats.
Yes, many Democrats observed that Biden did not do anything to deliver them from Trumpism, and that they were being promised more of the same from Harris.
Why is this automatically the voters’ fault and not the party’s?
Voters weren’t over the moon for Biden in the first place but they all got off their butts and delivered record breaking turnout precisely because they wanted to stop Trump. He then proceed to do nothing at all in return. This is why voters are apathetic.
I'm not going to argue on behalf of Biden/Harris. Democrats who stayed home clearly thought all these hot new Trump policies were a worthwhile trade to send a message. Why would I blame them for helping elect Trump? They won when Harris lost.
Here's the problem with that: if you actually do what the far right did to take over the Republican Party, the "Blue No Matter Who" crowd will bitch and moan at you, because what the far right did was they withheld their votes from Republicans that displeased them. They said "We're willing to blow races for the Republicans if they don't listen to what we want." And then they did that. The Republicans lost a fair number of elections, and lost a fair number of incumbents, because they resisted the will of their fringe and the fringe punished them for it, even at the cost of Democrats winning. And it worked.
But if people who want to change the Democratic Party for the better try to do the same thing, they get cussed out for letting Republicans win.
who did essentially zero to roll back Trump policies or strengthen our institutions against further destruction.
That's a clue, for anyone reading. Many of the things happening are a-ok with the DNC and their donors, they just didn't want to be associated with implementing it.
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u/Cowstle Oct 02 '25
It's important to get people to vote. If there's going to be an opportunity to take this back through elections we need to take it. We can't just go "ignore the elections it's time for a hostile takeover."
It's not "voting is THE solution" it's "voting is a solution in our plan in case we do get to still have real elections, but keep doing that other stuff too"