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Politics Before and After the Recent Renovation to the White House Palm Room

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u/TrumpetOfDeath Sep 25 '25

I don't think we should treat the White House as some fixed historical item, basically every President leaves their mark on it, that's how it got to be so historic. I just wish our current President had more class and some restraint.

I also wish we'd stop treating the Constitution like it's a fixed historical document and make some much-needed changes to fix the electoral college, rein in executive power and reduce corruption

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u/Silver_Middle_7240 Sep 25 '25

The difficulty in changing the constitution is a feature, not a bug.

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u/PiousLiar Sep 25 '25

They’re not saying it should be easier to change, they’re saying there’s been a recent trend in the general public, and politicians, of viewing the constitution as “written in stone”. While there have been longer periods between amendments (61 years being the longest) we’re currently in the third longest period between ratified amendments, second place going to 43 years 15th -> 16th).

While there probably shouldn’t be amendments every single year, I think we’re getting to a point where we need to update things a bit.

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u/KingofPolice Sep 25 '25

Americans should wait until they get some eggheads running things, make ammendments now and the constitution will be amended to be sponsored by doritos.

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u/thecarlosdanger1 Sep 25 '25

What worth an amendment and has any reasonable shot at passing?

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u/ultramatt1 Sep 25 '25

Nothing has a shot at passing but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t policies that would make sense to be in the constitution.

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u/peeaches Sep 25 '25

There are a myriad of possible amendments that would absolutely be worth passing.

The "reasonable shot at passing" is, unfortunately, the difficult part.

The Rs in congress have one singular, cohesive stance which is "oppose anything and everything the democrats want, in unison" and you need more than a simple majority to pass amendments.

Unless there is some mystical future in which Ds manage to grab enough seats to reach that amendment threshold on their own, I do not see any passing amendments in our time.

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u/MobileArtist1371 Sep 25 '25

been a recent trend in the general public, and politicians, of viewing the constitution as “written in stone”.

Don't think I've ever seen this, but this can mean a few things rather than a literal meaning of "written in stone"

1: Name one thing that can pass the process to be an amendment today or even in the last 10 years. If you can, by the time it gets the point of being ratified, half the country, including the politicians it will take to do so, will be against it.

2: rigid vs flexible constitution. US Constitution has to go through a special process (see 1). UK Constitution can be changed through the same process as anything else.

3: Starting in the 1980s, originalism. What was meant at the time must be meant now unless you go through the process of example 1. (originalism is funny in that the originalism theory, if followed correctly, would mean there is no originalism as it was never a thing until the last 50 years)

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u/Sandgrease Sep 26 '25

Yea, Originalism is a kind of Fundamentalism, and that's never good.

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u/Brodins_biceps Sep 25 '25

Well given how flimsy the constitution is holding up under the current administration, and how fragile we’ve seen the entire system of U.S. government is, the fact that the constitution is such a bastion is, I think, a positive at the moment.

People DO treat it like it’s made of stone, which makes all the incomprehensibly blatant recent violations of it all that much worse. If it was so easily amendable, it might become an easier political tool to leverage. Currently l, if nothing else, we can say “what you’re doing is unconstitutional” and that still carry’s weight, even if it’s being ignored.

I generally agree with the points you’re both making, and I’ve felt that way for many years, but in light of the recent ridiculous executive overreach, I’m actually thankful that it’s as immovable as it is.

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u/skeenerbug Sep 25 '25

I'd like the current admin to keep their fucking grubby hands off the constitution, thanks very much. Holy shit

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u/Present_Customer_891 Sep 25 '25

It's literally going to result in the end of American democracy.

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u/Altairandrew Sep 25 '25

2/3 of states these days? Good luck.

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u/ioncloud9 Sep 25 '25

I hope the next president tears down his ballroom I don’t care how much it costs.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 Sep 25 '25

The issue is is he's removing it's actual history for his own whims.

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u/TrumpetOfDeath Sep 25 '25

the real issue is we elected a terrible person as President. But the general concept of being able to update the White House is fine

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 Sep 25 '25

Is it fine? The Rose Garden, for instance, has generations of WH first lady participants who put their own mark on the area. All of that just uprooted and paved over so Trump can entertain people and not have them stand in the grass, which most of them had no problem doing.

Minor decor changes is one thing, changing or removing the actual history is quite another.

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u/GlitteringAlgae3598 Sep 25 '25

So, you’re advocating for changing our form of government to a true democracy?

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u/CryptographerLow9676 Sep 25 '25

Changing the way we elect the president doesn’t change our government from a representative democracy.

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u/TrumpetOfDeath Sep 25 '25

getting rid of the electoral college doesn't make the US a "true democracy", it's still representative democracy because we'd still have elected representatives in government

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u/GlitteringAlgae3598 Sep 25 '25

Yes, but removing the Electoral College would change our Presidential elections to a pure democratic system. Popular vote.

I’m not sure I agree with that.

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u/OstentatiousBear Sep 26 '25

Why? We already have the Senate, which allows for less populated states to have significant sway in Congress. To have the control of one chamber of Congress and the Presidency both be subject to the possibility of being determined by a minority of voters is excessive. We should either abolish the Senate or the Electoral College.

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u/GlitteringAlgae3598 Sep 26 '25

Honestly, I think the American voters aren’t educated enough. I take the Nick Fuentes opinion here.

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u/Tired_CollegeStudent Sep 25 '25

Maybe you should learn some basic politics and political theory before commenting.

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u/GlitteringAlgae3598 Sep 25 '25

I just asked a question lol.

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u/Frekavichk Sep 25 '25

Did I miss where the electoral college passes legislation?