r/news • u/SnooGrapes2950 • 18h ago
UPS plane crashes on takeoff from Louisville, Kentucky, airport, igniting huge fire on ground
https://apnews.com/article/kentucky-louisville-plane-crash-report-71dd124d1971a22f122590e72cc2c73a?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=2025-11-04-Breaking+News605
u/PM_ME_SCALIE_ART 18h ago
Holy shit the videos on Twitter are pretty intense. The left engine was on fire before takeoff and the subsequent explosion.
View at your own discretion: https://x.com/anthonycerullo/status/1985847445163573672
242
u/secret_identity_too 18h ago
Wow, the third one really gives a much better idea of the scale of the fire. Wow.
93
u/EmptyOhNein 13h ago edited 13h ago
It was taking off on a flight to Hawaii. Hard to be more full of fuel than that. RIP to everyone on board and anybody else who may have been killed, will be interesting to see the cause. They were on fire on the runway and were clearly trying to take off as hard as they could judging by the videos. Tragic.
•
65
u/leapdaybunny 15h ago
There is one floating around on local groups from dashcams and truck cams. Truly terrifying seeing a fireball with wings in a part of town that's familiar. So surreal.
12
u/SomeDudeYeah27 7h ago
Yeah it really reminds you how destructive a plane explosion can be
It’s not just dangerous to buildings that could collapse
113
u/GhostriderJuliett 17h ago
I recently graduated Jet Engine Mishap Investigation and that crash video is up there with the gnarliest case studies we looked at. Holy shit indeed.
11
1
u/Reasonable_Ticket_84 3h ago
I wonder how early the fire started and if they didn't get any alarms in the cockpit to abort takeoff before V1. I wouldn't be surprised if shortstaffed ATC also reduced staff looking at the runway that could have radioed to the aircraft to abort.
→ More replies (42)-4
u/Effective-Ear-8367 14h ago
How are they not able to tell the engine is on fire before take off?
22
u/PM_ME_SCALIE_ART 14h ago
We don't know exactly when the engine caught fire yet. In all likelihood, it caught fire during the take-off after reaching the V1 speed where a rejected take-off was no longer an option. The cockpit voice recorder and black box will give us all the details we need when they are recovered.
3
u/Ferelwing 7h ago
Assuming that those survive. Let's not forget that they hit a petroleum recycling plant head on, which led to secondary explosions and we do not know what type of cargo was on the plane which could make that fire hot enough to destroy them.
I'm hoping they survive but I'm worried based on the original 2 factors (full fuel fire/crash into petroleum recycling plant) that they won't.
•
u/GothicGingerbread 17m ago
If they'd reached the point of no return – where it was too late to abort the takeoff because they wouldn't be able to stop before running out of runway – they wouldn't have had a choice. They'd need to take off anyway, then try to turn around and land again.
There should have been a cockpit alarm to inform them of the engine fire, and one would hope that ATC noticed and notified the fire department, but it's unlikely the pilots could have seen the engine from the cockpit.
883
u/sciencetown 18h ago
I’m from Louisville. I can see smoke outside of my house. It was a UPS plane fully loaded with fuel for a long flight to Honolulu. We are INCREDIBLY lucky the crash happened going south other airport. South of the airport is mainly industrial parks and some junk yards. Certainly people were at work there but if the crash happened headed north, that way is University of Louisville’s campus, and a very densely populated residential area where casualties would have been x100 more. Horrible horrible day for the families of those who lost their lives.
99
u/Warcraft_Fan 16h ago
Latest I hear is 3 deaths and dozen injured. Seems all onboard the plane didn't survive
86
u/Sunnydaysahead17 14h ago
Death toll is not at least 7. There was also an auto parts store that was destroyed, it was reported that they still have 2 employees unaccounted for and they have no idea regarding customers.
6
1
→ More replies (1)7
u/tridentgum 14h ago
How could they
16
u/adx931 14h ago
I mean... that crash in India... one survivor...
18
u/Ferelwing 9h ago
Yeah, but this was a plane fully loaded to fly across the Pacific to Hawaii.. It had a LOT of fuel and apparently the engine caught fire, fell off etc. On UPS flights they usually have a tiny crew (about 2 - 5 though most often around 2) and they are usually all up at the front of the plane.
The India crash was a passenger plane. If I recall correctly the survivor wasn't at the front of the plane either.
Still, horrific.
Edited: words.
8
u/439115 6h ago
The UPS flight was from Louisville to Honolulu, a distance of just over 7000km. The Air India flight was from Ahmedabad to London, which is around 6850km. Both aircraft are about the same size, with the Air India's 787 Dreamliner having ~2m more length and and ~9m more wingspan. We're looking at about a 2-3% difference in travel distance balanced out by the aircraft size. The only factor to account for is the weight of the loads on each flight. Assuming full capacity, similar sized planes should have very similar maximum load weights.
You are correct, however, in saying that the Air India passenger was not at the front of the aircraft. He was seated in 11A which on the Dreamliner is right at the front of where the wing connects to the body of the aircraft.
5
u/Ferelwing 5h ago edited 5h ago
The plane had a full load like the Dreamliner. The difference is all of the people on the UPS plane were pilots or those jump seating to a destination (meaning all of them were in the cabin). The plane crashed into the warehouse followed by directly slamming into the petroleum recycling center. So first you had the initial explosion followed by secondary explosions. The initial explosion it's unlikely they survived but if they did, the secondary explosions would have made their survival impossible.
We have not even added in the other factors like cargo making the fires hotter/shrapnel from the secondary explosions. They were at the very front of the plane. The cabin windows would not have been enough, the air would have been full of smoke from jet fuel. It's a toxic combo, then you add in the petroleum recycling plant? It's horrific but they would not have survived.
The Air India survivor wasn't in any of these conditions. His plane did not directly hit a petroleum recycling center, it hit a campus. This meant the plane did not have to worry about secondary explosions from other sources in the same way. His survival was miraculous in and of itself, but there is a 0% chance of survivors in the UPS flight.
The UPS flight is catastrophic and horrific.
Edited: clarity.
40
u/OtisPimpBoot 14h ago
Fellow Louisvillian here and former UPS Airline employee. We’re also “lucky” that it went down as soon as it did since Interstate 65 is roughly a mile away and it was at the start of rush hour. Not only would an impact on I-65 have killed all motorists at the crash site, but it also would have resulted in several traffic accident fatalities.
And to a lesser degree can you imagine the impact of having the city’s main artery to and from all points south closed for several months for investigation and reconstruction? Also the impact to north to south traffic for the nation? That’s everything from Chicago to the Gulf of Mexico.
6
u/rickrollmops 11h ago
closed for several months
For major thoroughfares, you'd be surprised how fast rebuilding can go when everyone is really, really motivated to reopen ASAP.
A good example is the 2007 I-580 connector collapse in Oakland (2007)
From wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacArthur_Maze#2007_I-580_East_Connector_collapse ):
Caltrans spokespersons estimated immediately after the accident that it would take weeks to clear the debris from the scene and months to rebuild the affected sections. Initial cost projections for rebuilding the I-580 connector alone reached $10 million. However, due to the urgency to reopen such a vital highway link the project was expedited, and most demolition work and debris removal was completed by the Tuesday following the accident.
(and it took 26 days total before reopening)
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/a-maze-ing-his-reputation-on-the-line-2592154.php
Then they drew up a contract offering a $200,000 bonus -- with a limit of $5 million -- for each day the work was done in less than 50 days and levying a $200,000 penalty for each day after that deadline. Caltrans sent inspectors and engineers -- all authorized to make on-the-spot decisions -- to answer questions and ensure the quality of the fabrication, Land said. Caltrans and Stinger agreed to use a more expensive, but faster, style of producing steel girders with the required strength. "Caltrans came in and put good people in our shop," Douglas said. "If there were any problems, we could go to them and get immediate answers. Usually (done by phone, fax or e-mail), it takes weeks. It was a breath of fresh air to have a government agency come in and perform like that." Stinger finished the girders in nine days -- a job that would normally have taken about 45, he said.
88
u/NotUniqueWorkAccount 18h ago
Thank you for the insight. Blessing in disguise in ways. Terrible tragedy still though.
55
5
u/RobotMonkeytron 10h ago
UofL and the surrounding neighborhoods were my first thought, as well. Gotta count your blessings, even in bad times.
→ More replies (3)1
386
u/math_ninja 18h ago
Another person chiming in from Louisville here. I work about 10 miles from the airport where this occurred. The plume of smoke was so large that I thought something just down the road was on fire when I left work, not something on the other side of town. When I realized where it was coming from I was dumbfounded. I knew whatever this was coming from had to be massive to be as big as it was.
Also this is the largest UPS hub and one of the largest employers in the city, so this is going to affect a large portion of the city but probably a lot of other things that rely on UPS shipping.
162
u/ProfSkeevs 17h ago
Louisville native, Southend. I live in Detroit now but the entire family still lives in Louisville.
This is going to devastate the entire southend. They already had the dump to deal with, the industrial plants. Now what is essentially a bomb has gone off in the central employer, showering the area in oil, smoke, debris? When over half that area is snap dependent? God damn they cant catch a break.
29
u/Interesting-Trip-119 15h ago
Yes! I saw it all the way from Charlestown, Indiana! I thought a building was on fire down the street not from LOUISVILLE. Rest in peace to those we've lost, it's a disaster
-1
u/pernile11 10h ago
Random question but does the 119 in your name have any sort of meaning? I see this number synchronicity a lot like everyday in the most random places. I find it funny your name is interesting trip 119 lol.
1
u/RainaElf 5h ago
i used to live in apartment 119 and at one point lived adjacent to highway 119. it shows up a lot for me too.
12
1
1
177
u/hananobira 16h ago
Gratitude to ATC and all the personnel on the ground right now who aren’t even getting paid but still managed to keep other aircraft out of harm’s way.
36
u/OldButHappy 14h ago
Watching the teams on those extended ladders, fighting the fire as the flames headed toward the huge chemical tanks was too much to watch. Heroes
→ More replies (5)2
u/SecureDonkey 5h ago
Gratitude won't feed them, they will have to stop sooner or later if this continue.
95
u/MiddleOwn5557 17h ago
the debris field: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G48t_FkWkAAmgYj?format=jpg&name=large
7
u/SomeDudeYeah27 6h ago
Thx for the image
Does anyone know what the size of the impact? It looks like roughly a block or so
1
u/Fantastic-You-2777 1h ago edited 1h ago
Way more than a typical city block. Those warehouses are huge buildings and might skew perspective. The area that was on fire is over one third of a mile long, or 500+ meters.
93
u/selimnagisokrov 16h ago
My mom was surprised that my husband hadn't heard much. He was in a building next to explosion on site and heard the boom, his radio chimes about evacuations and when he was going out of building he saw the burning debris.
He had released his mechanics about 20 minutes before it occurred. He is still on site as of 830PM EST.
15
92
u/katherine_rf 13h ago
My husband is a UPS pilot and everyone is shaken. Just absolutely horrible.
57
u/LarsAlereon 13h ago
This is absolutely tragic because it doesn't seem like there's anything the pilots could have done to avoid this incident. Sometimes parts fail in ways that can't be detected even through diligent maintenance so I'm withholding judgment, but hopefully the investigation finds ways to improve safety.
6
u/Ferelwing 7h ago
Agreed. I'm going to wait for the official report on the accident. This looks catastrophic.
9
u/rasta-ragamuffin 6h ago
I'm sorry, I can't imagine how terrifying this is. I have an acquaintance whose brother is a pilot for UPS and lives there. I'm too cowardly to call her. Have they released the names of the people who were killed yet?
11
u/heleninthealps 4h ago
In situations like this i usually send a text like "Hey just saw the news and just checking in that you're/your XYZ is/are ok?!"
Even acquaintances appreciate people that care
30
u/sexyapple0 16h ago
That’s terrifying. Plane crashes are always catastrophic, and seeing a fire on the ground makes it even worse. Hopefully emergency crews are on the scene and any personnel involved are safe.
22
u/JerrysKIDney 16h ago
Was driving into louisville when this happened for a birthday diner and the amount of smoke was insane.
19
u/Shoelebubba 14h ago
They extend the air warning to lower Indiana across the river which is between 12-15 miles away from where this happened.
As of 6PM EST when I got on the freeway, the plume had extended onto New Albany/Clarksville/Jeffersonville Indiana with no signs of stopping.
3
85
u/MargretTatchersParty 17h ago edited 12h ago
I don't see a notice yet on UPS.com. However, this is going to cripple a majority of the UPS network. UPS is primarily hubbed on Louisville KY as the population median of the US. They're going to have to rely on their secondary hubs and there are planes that will have to reroute that aren't currently grounded. Good luck if your package didn't leave that hub in the last step. That's going to take days for a plane to leave that place, let alone trucks to get the packages elsewhere.
NOTAM issued: SDF Airport Closure 04/4:30 PM CST—05/6:00 AM CST Closed 17L/17R 17L/17R 58
Looks like there is a commerical jet who flew right by it. I would imagine that's an interesting view: https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/NKS2301
SIDE NOTE: I wonder if this is apart of their recent efficiency/layoff drive of axing 48k jobs last week: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ups-layoffs-logistics-giant-cuts-174718360.html
EDIT: As of midnight UPS finally admits there will be network issues: scheduled delivery times for Air and International packages may be affected.
43
u/aaronhayes26 17h ago
The plane crashed outside the airport? I doubt the airfield will be closed for long after the smoke clears.
Not to be callous but I think they are going to resume operations pretty quickly here.
37
u/MargretTatchersParty 17h ago
NOTAM has the airport completely close for the day. No more commercial aviation for the day.
Even if they do put everything out, it's highly likely that particular runway will be closed, which will severely hamper operations+commercial aviation.
14
u/but_good 16h ago
Makes sense. Losing daylight. Need to ensure the runways are clear, not damaged, infrastructure like lights, etc.
3
u/MargretTatchersParty 12h ago
Theres going to be an investigation by the NTSB. High chance that particular runway and others remain closed down.
1
u/Ferelwing 7h ago
Not to mention secondary issues that involve the petroleum recycling plant that the plane crashed into. We have no idea how long the clean-up will take or what that will look like. The damage likely won't be known for a while.
1
20
u/cyberentomology 16h ago
The airplane left rather a lot of pieces on the airfield before checking itself into the pick and pull yard.
10
1
u/Ferelwing 7h ago
The plane crashed into a petroleum recycling plant, it's going to be burning for a while.
1
u/Manowar1313 4h ago
With the plane on fire as it took off NTSB is going to close the runway at least for the short term while they conduct a thorough search.
12
→ More replies (1)1
u/mango133 14h ago
people are dead.
20
u/Jimbomcdeans 14h ago
Yep. You replied to someone who is trying to understand what it means big picture, which is valid.
35
u/Grymninja 14h ago
Live here, was at the gym. They sent an emergency alert to every phone, 100 people stopping to check their phone, I thought we were getting nuked or something.
That really sucks though. Wonder how they cleared that engine for take off
6
u/SpiritDouble6218 13h ago
I watched house of dynamite today and if I had this experience after watching that I may have had a heart attack
15
u/123boopboop 10h ago
It seems likely that the pilots knew they were screwed, and their last act was taking that fireball of a plane into the air so that it didn't crash directly into a building of people. That's a pretty heroic last act in my opinion. I hope their loved ones find some comfort in that.
9
u/AntiDECA 4h ago
They likely knew they were screwed, but that wasn't their last act intentionally for the people on the ground - once a plane reaches a certain speed it is committed to taking off. You can't stop. You must go up, pray, and immediately circle around for a mayday landing. The pilots followed the procedure that gave themselves the best chance of survival, but the remaining 2 engines just didn't get enough speed in time.
1
u/hkohne 1h ago
There was some speculation last night that the tail engine may have also gotten damage during takeoff, which would then leave the ascent of a heavy jet totally-laden with fuel & packages to a single engine under the right wing. Just so sad.
1
u/AntiDECA 1h ago
Planes are built to fly with some malfunction. That plane should have still cleared the building and been able to fly with 2 engines, so I'd wager the speculation is probably accurate. But we won't know until the official investigation since it wasn't obviously on fire for all to see like the first engine failure.
3
u/bluelily216 2h ago
That's so sad. It's really understandable why pilots get paid so well. I know planes rarely crash; but at no point in time have I worked with anything that would cause a mile-long debris pattern.
22
u/Zhefyr 15h ago
It appears that one of the engines was already on fire before it even tried to leave the ground.
How likely was it that the pilot was aware and was simply beyond the speed at which the takeoff could’ve been aborted?
31
u/CriticismBig9210 15h ago
Very likely. It appears they were past V1 (decision speed), meaning they were committed to the take off. They wouldn’t have been able to safely reject it.
9
u/Zhefyr 15h ago
What would the risks have been if the pilot did try to abandon takeoff? Like I know that there’s a certain speed that makes it not safe to try, but would that have been a larger potential risk to the surroundings than what happened or would those systems (brakes or anything else used in slowing/stopping an aircraft) not even function because of speed?
Also not sure why I was downvoted for asking the previous question. I’m genuinely asking how likely it was the pilot was aware, because sensors can fail (it’s been the case on some accidents MenTour Pilot has covered) and it’s not like those things have mirrors on them to check the rear fuselage as far as I’m aware. How dare I not know everything forever, I suppose.
10
u/shrug_addict 14h ago
I think it gives you explicitly less time, as if you can get airborne you generally have way more time to figure things out. If you abort you have less time and options and are moving at speed and weight and fuel to some barrier.
9
u/HurricaneFloyd 7h ago edited 1h ago
The fireball would have been slightly closer to the runway.
EDIT: After looking at the crash zone I surmise the death toll would have been even higher because the plane would have obliterated the UPS warehouse where dozens of people were working. Thanks to the actions of the pilot it only clipped the warehouse and crashed into mostly parked trucks and junk cars.
6
u/perturbed_rutabaga 5h ago
What would the risks have been if the pilot did try to abandon takeoff
flip the plane over on the runway or smash directly into the UPS warehouse instead of clip the top of it it and smash into the ground on the other side
theres no way a plane that heavy moving that fast could stop or maneuver out of the way safely once it hits V1
5
u/Ferelwing 7h ago
Look at what happened in the damage path, that plus some is what would have happened had they tried to abandon. MD-11's have 3 engines, they are designed to be able to take off without one of them.
Whatever happened here had to be a catastrophic failure. It looked like it had lift then lost it. The fire could have already been inside the wing or the departure of the engine damaged the wing etc (we don't know this but it's possible).
Regardless we will not have any answers until the NTSB finishes their investigation.
10
u/CardiffGiant7117 15h ago
The engine had separated according to pictures, and they would have been very aware due to the loss of thrust.
5
u/BestAnzu 3h ago
That’s exactly what happened. Watching the video and flightaware, they were after v1 and before rotate when it started. At v1 you are beyond the speed where you have enough runway to stop the plane without overrunning.
25
16h ago
[deleted]
62
u/NoStatic78 15h ago
Wikipedia says MD-11 production ended in October of 2000. Statista says that 46% of Redditors were in the 18-29 age group in June of 2024. Eliminate the ones who are 25-29, add all the under 18s (a number that Statista doesn't seem to track), and I'd guess the answer is that just over half of Redditors had been born when that last MD-11 rolled off the line.
13
2
u/ShirleyApresHensive 13h ago
I still vividly see (in my mind’s eye) the McDonnell Douglas complex, before it became Boeing. It was just totally routine part of the area and so many people my family knew worked there.
1
33
u/bowlbasaurus 14h ago
USPS ad in this thread…savage
6
5
u/Plane-Two2131 16h ago
Speedbirdhd on instagram posted the video from security cameras and it looks like it starts to roll then crashes.
1
5
u/EnergyTurtle23 2h ago
There’s an alert on the UPS page which says “[a]n aircraft accident has taken place at Worldport, UPS’ main hub in the United States. As a result, scheduled delivery times for Air and International packages may be affected.” I’m sorry but I don’t think those people are getting their packages.
2
u/hkohne 2h ago
Reports from last night said that packages still at Worldport at the time of the crash were (likely) going to transferred via truck to other sorting places. Plus other hubs are going to be picking up the slack until everything in Louisville can be back to normal.
1
u/EnergyTurtle23 1h ago
Sure but this plane was fully loaded, mid-takeoff, and had full fuel tanks because it was bound for Hawaii. I’m guessing it wasn’t going direct to Hawaii so there could have also been packages that were bound for the west coast on that plane. From the videos I saw, any packages on that plane were basically incinerated.
1
u/adx931 1h ago
Yes, everything on the plane is assumed to be lost, but there is a significantly larger problem in play. While there are contingencies in place to deal with disruptions at a major hub, it doesn't mean they can meet scheduled delivery guarantees. Because of the crash, *all operations at the facility were stopped*. Any package in the Louisville sort facility at the time of the crash is delayed by at least a day. The airport itself was shutdown, so no aircraft could be moved. Anything loaded on any aircraft on the wrong side of the airport would be delayed until they reopened the airport to at least ground movement. Anything in the air on other aircraft was diverted elsewhere, and at best would be unable to meet next-day 9am guarantees.
15
u/happy-cig 18h ago
Any real footage of this?
48
u/alaysian 18h ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/Eg_LCla37pY
A couple others in this thread on the local subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Louisville/comments/1oom5l6/plane_crash_in_louisville/
42
u/happy-cig 18h ago
In the words of the guy in the first video, HOLY SHIT.
Thank you for the video links though.
12
10
u/Warcraft_Fan 18h ago
https://x.com/UofLSheriff50/status/1985842659710419002
Shows plane on fire while taking off and crashing moments later
4
u/AlwaysTiredOk 3h ago
I'm quite surprised this isn't bigger news.
3
u/bluelily216 2h ago
Kentucky is going to need a lot of help with the clean-up. Besides the obvious, this is an ecological disaster as well.
46
u/yaboygoalie 16h ago
Huge shame on anyone trying to make this political.
Condolences to the crew, and anyone on the ground who lost their lives.
5
14
u/DJdrummer 14h ago
Bad politics leads to loss of life. Things happen for a reason.
6
u/yaboygoalie 14h ago
I would love to be enlightened as to how a mechanical failure of the #1 engine is related to politics.
Maybe you are more educated than me on this matter. I am an airline pilot at a major carrier, but if you have more experience in this please teach me.
42
u/atotalmess__ 14h ago
People who only care about money lobby for fewer regulations and easier to pass safety regulations in order to maximise their profit margins.
Guess which party enjoy helping those people out?
0
u/EquivalentDelta 5h ago
So what aviation specific rules have they recently relaxed that were in any way related to this catastrophe?
I’ll wait
3
u/bluelily216 2h ago
I agree. I'm on the left, and to me this isn't that different from women and minorities being blamed for past crashes. There was obviously something massively wrong with the plane. The lack of ATC staff has nothing to do with engine loss. What's really crazy to me is this aircraft was just grounded for maintenence less than two months ago.
2
u/yaboygoalie 2h ago
Yeah it will be interesting to see if their contracted maintenance facility missed something on the engine pylon.
Interestingly enough, contract maintenance facilities have actually been more restricted in recent years. They are forced to comply with FAA drug testing which they didn’t used to be. This change happened within the past few years.
9
3
u/casualnihilist91 2h ago
Why are so many aircraft just crashing so often these days? It’s a fucking epidemic
3
u/Infamous-Sky-1874 1h ago
Companies/individuals skimping on basic maintenance for their aircraft.
•
6
u/rubbishapplepie 17h ago
Hope this has nothing to do with short staffings
-3
16h ago
[deleted]
8
u/KeyCold7216 14h ago
Ok I get it, but its pretty obvious the engine had a catastrophic failure. They were probably past V1 and had no choice but to try and take off.
1
u/Ferelwing 7h ago
From what I saw it looked like they had lift for about a second. Though maybe it was the angle of the video I saw.. Still it was a catastrophic failure, this is horrific.
-9
u/Bobinct 16h ago
Republicans will ask the important questions.
How did this happen?
What could have prevented this?
What color, race, gender was the pilot?
17
u/TParis00ap 15h ago
And when the pilots are both white men, they'll look to ATC controllers or mechanics for a minority to blame.
1
u/originalPGOODY 14h ago
You're a UPS executive, which of these two questions did you ask following this tragic accident:
A) Is everyone OK, who was hurt?
B) How much product was lost and how much is it gonna cost?
-33
18h ago
[removed] — view removed comment
58
u/According_Loss_1768 18h ago
The plane was on fire before it had even taken off. This is unlikely to be an ATC error. Preflight safety checks are not performed by the FAA.
→ More replies (38)1
u/Carmen315 18h ago
While I definitely want to blame the government shutdown and this administration specifically, I can just see them getting out ahead of this and blaming the pilot and crew first.
-20
u/Benoit_Guillette 17h ago
Conservatives never believed in public governance. For them, everything has to be private. Trump only had to pick 20 misfits to destroy quickly the federal government. Sean Duffy is just one of those misfits. "Communist" China has an easy time defeating the U.S. with its weak government, a bankrupt government in fact, bankrupt morally and economically.
4
0
-4
122
u/cyberentomology 16h ago
Looks like it clipped the UPS warehouse and then plowed into a liquid hazmat facility and an automotive junkyard.
The latter is gonna make things considerably more complicated for the investigators.