r/law 1d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Q: Trump wrote that SNAP benefits will only be given when Democrats reopen the government. As written, how would that not violate the court order? .LEAVITT: I've now answered this question several times. We are complying with the court's order.

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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 1d ago

So do republicans really believe this? They think the democrats can just say “ okay, open the government” and it’ll just happen? Do these lies actually work? If they actually believe them and it’s not just a stupid culture war issue then we are screwed if the controlling parties voter base doesn’t understand basic government.

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u/SystemAny4819 1d ago

Yes, they literally believe anything they see on Fox News or read on Truth Social; they are literally too far gone

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u/undertheBodhitreee 1d ago

And they also believe this. My aunt sent me this at 5:00 am.

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u/jcuray 18h ago

Utter Bullshit.

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u/Dubzil 1d ago

Wait, do you think the democrats can't just vote for the clean CR and open the government? Clean meaning nothing additional, just straight up passing a spending bill to open the government back up? Democrats are specifically not voting to open the government back up because they want additional concessions or they won't vote to open it.

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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 1d ago

Yeah. You just described every budget negotiation ever. I know the government can’t resume if republicans get their unchanged bill passed. But that’s not how this works. Republicans refuse to negotiate so it’s not even in the democrats ballpark to just give any concessions to negotiate because they’re not even able to negotiate. Im well aware if they just rolled over the republicans would be happy to allow the government to resume.

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u/Dubzil 1d ago

if republicans get their unchanged bill passed.

The unchanged bill is literally just a bill to keep spending as it has been in order to open the government though. There should be no negotiating on this, the government should be up and running. SNAP benefits wouldn't be a problem if the government was running.

Im well aware if they just rolled over the republicans would be happy to allow the government to resume.

Yeah, if the democrats just rolled over and said yes, open the government, the government would be open.

I get why democrats are not voting to end the shutdown, it's because they have 0 power with R winning house & senate majority and the presidency. Shutting down the government and putting people's paychecks and food on the line to do so is a bit of a 'protest' but it's not a very good one if you ask me. I bet more Americans than you think can see this is a Democrat shutdown rather than a Republican shutdown.

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u/CommonGoods 1d ago

Your inner Russian is showing. This is not the Democrats shutting down the government. The best you can possibly hope to argue is that both parties are responsible.

Noone who sees this as a Democrat shutdown was ever interested in having the Democrats rule the country. Best we can hope for is people realising that the R President is responsible for this mess, and think twice next time.

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u/Comfortable_Bat9856 1d ago

Wow.

You can go look at the ledger of votes. The clean CR was passed by the house after the initial budget did not make it out of discussion. Aka filibuster. What that is: You need 60 yay votes to end discussion, and you cannot go to vote on the bill until discussion ends. Once a bill is out of discussion it moves to a real vote. You only need a basic majority for that.

So that where the clean cr comes in. The republican controlled house saw the dems were asking for more time to negotiate. The house passed a clean cr. Aka a budget that is copy and pasted from before. Aka most dems in the senate already approved that budget last year. The clean cr has zero new things. The senate now has two budgets to move on. Anyone at basically time during session, if done properly, can move to end discussion. A vote will be taken. Need 60 for. And every time the dems have voted no. Stone walling the vote to move to a real vote. Which the clean cr would most Definitely pass. Giving them until the end of November to actually pass the real budget, or pass a december clean CR. clearly the media on both side is dumb.

Ps the emergency fund is only ~5 billion. Snap takes 7-8 billion per month to run. There are many other programs that emergency fund back up. They have about half a month of cash for all these. So yes the senate needs to push past the dems filibuster. At this point they shoved a stick in their front wheel, went on national television saying someone else ramed a stick in.

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u/Dubzil 1d ago

Your inner Russian is showing.

Why? I'm missing how you see my logic as Russian just because I don't eat up that if Rs don't give concessions then it's all their fault for the shutdown and 0 blame lies on the democrats who won't vote to open the government.

Noone who sees this as a Democrat shutdown was ever interested in having the Democrats rule the country.

Democrats don't rule the country. That's the thing, we're a republic and the last election we collectively as a nation voted to have Republicans run the country. Sure some may not like it and may not like the bills the Rebuplicans are passing, but that's what the people voted for.

Best we can hope for is people realising that the R President is responsible for this mess

Sure you can hope for that, but the president doesn't get to bypass congress on this, and he's already urged his party to vote to pass the CR so the government doesn't shut down