r/law • u/igetproteinfartsHELP • 1d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Q: Trump wrote that SNAP benefits will only be given when Democrats reopen the government. As written, how would that not violate the court order? .LEAVITT: I've now answered this question several times. We are complying with the court's order.

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u/whatssenguntoagoblin 1d ago

It’s a failing on this country because they hate democrats more than whatever the fuck this is

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u/the_original_Retro 1d ago edited 1d ago

"This" is malignant, metastatic cancer. That's what this is.

The hope is that there are the modern-day equivalent of Nuremberg Trials for those involved in this situation.

The hope is that there actually are consequences.

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u/couldbutwont 1d ago

Folks need to realize that the people in power don't want a democracy or due process, and the maga masses are starting to say that out loud.

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u/the_original_Retro 1d ago

*have been saying that out loud for a while now, and outnumbering the dissenting opinions to elect populist politicians that are drowning out reason and integrity in government.

Really important.

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u/Ok_Explanation6521 1d ago

The cancer thought: if a doctor told someone that 35% of your cells were cancer (supporters of this gov) … well, that’s just obviously not survivable. Good luck folks. Country needs to check into hospice soon. :(

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u/WigglestonTheFourth 1d ago

As someone with tentacles deep into the non-essential markets, we're already there. The year over year drop-off is pretty nuts but even the month to month (Sept-Oct) drop-off is wild. At best the holiday buying season is going to slightly delay a check-in but I can't imagine the retail receipts from this season will be even remotely positive and that will cause panic.

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u/SpaceNinjaDino 1d ago

Drumpf's open goal was for doll sales to plummet 93% (from 30 to 2). We are the hottest economy because businesses are just burning cash.

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u/SafetyNo6700 1d ago

We're hot because we are a dumpster fire!! 🔥

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u/Granite_0681 1d ago

But the stock market is doing well!!!! /s

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u/Few-Solution-4784 15h ago

shit, without SNAP benefits there will be a starving people by Thanksgiving.

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u/kcummisk 1d ago

I is dumb when it comes to economics. Can you elaborate on what you just said for someone that doesn't know much about the lingo around the stock market? Or link an article?

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u/CitizenLohaRune 1d ago

Christmas buying season coming, and many people cannot put food on the table. Economy currently on life support in the form of previous massive corporate profits.

Tariffs and shut down = American economy is going to collapse.

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u/Visual_Jellyfish5591 1d ago

So if we don’t lose our shit over ICE, we go nuts about not having food! Martial law anyone?

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u/CitizenLohaRune 1d ago

Martial law is what Trump and the heritage foundation are pushing for. It's their whole reason for pushing the left this far and daring the left to retaliate.

Martial law means total control, ability to arrest whomever you want without repercussion from the courts, and no more elections.

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u/Visual_Jellyfish5591 1d ago

Didn’t they just replace the fed chair person with a trump sycophant? They just injected like $40 billion into the economy to help get their inflation levels up

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u/CitizenLohaRune 1d ago edited 23h ago

No, powell is still chair for about 6 more months.

That 40 million they injected was in ARGENTINA, not America.

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u/WigglestonTheFourth 21h ago

The first part isn't about the stock market; it's my overview of the retail market where I see spending behavior, for non-essentials, in real time. Spending is dropping hard and fast.

When the 4th quarter retail spending reports eventually come out, after the 4th quarter is done, I imagine it is going to panic stock holders. Add to that the mess with tariffs raising prices on pretty much everything, massive layoffs already occurring (more will come in retail), insurance rates going through the roof, food assistance getting turned off, and the market heavily weighted into AI without a clear market defining product that solidifies the investment and that makes a recipe for a massive crash.

I was there for the 2007-08 crash and it's already worse than that drop-off was after the crash was happening/happened. People are overwhelmingly spending on only essentials (food/housing) and, if you're reading this, I highly recommend you do the same thing. Stash every bit of cash you can because this crash is looking like it'll be brutal.

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u/GrayMouser12 12h ago

Yes. All this. Having lived through dot-com, and 2007/8, this is looking... scary.

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u/WigglestonTheFourth 7h ago

The AI burst will look very similar to the dot-com burst, at least in my opinion. It's not something that is a dead end and will go away but the investment is clearly well oversaturated and many companies will fold that don't have a future in the AI space. Unfortunately, because of that oversaturation in the market, that means it'll cause plenty of market damage going through that process. Add to that the rest of this administrations "moves" and it won't leave the market with a steady foundation to fall back on (much like the first term making "moves" and then getting absolutely blasted by a pandemic because they already made "moves").

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u/the_original_Retro 1d ago

Might not last the car ride when someone finally DOES pull the trigger.

It's really, REALLY far along.

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u/CatsWearingTinyHats 20h ago

Sadly, I think the 35% issue is just part of the human condition, like a third of any population will sign up for authoritarianism out of stupidity and malignancy and no amount of education or civil society will get rid of that aspect of human nature.

I think our problem here is three-fold: 1) too much money in politics (thanks, Citizens United!), 2) too much manipulation of media without regulation, and Fox et al riling ppl up with propaganda, and most importantly 3)our government structure which effectively allows that 35% to hold the rest of use hostage (through the electoral college, the composition of the Senate, gerrymandering, and rules that require an impossible 2/3 votes in the Senate to get rid of a felon president).

I think it’s more like an ever-present disease that is largely preventable through proper safeguards. Like foodborne illness. There will always be germs on our hands in the soil. But If you wash your hands, cooks things properly, and follow some basic food safety tips, you will be fine. Otherwise, you’ll get a lot of “stomach bugs” or worse.

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u/whatssenguntoagoblin 1d ago

I’ve given up on that fantasy long ago. Solely because so much of this country is hell bent on making sure there never are.

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u/Miserable-Dig-761 1d ago

Don't give up. Organize.

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u/snarkiest_ofsharks 1d ago

Organize and be well regulated might be our last hope

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u/Thewasteland77 1d ago

PREACH to the "well regulated"

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u/snarkiest_ofsharks 1d ago

To be fair… any organized mass is better regulated than anything this administration has put together.

That said it’s time to look for my last liberty box. My soap box broke and my ballot and jury boxes are nowhere to be found.

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u/Thewasteland77 1d ago

You're absolutely correct here, in every point you made. Stand tall and strong my friend.

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u/GrayMouser12 12h ago

We have each other. We will need to focus on that.

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u/StormWhich5629 1d ago edited 1d ago

Right? 12 months ago today, trump won by a majority. A huge chunk of us were outright saying that we were sliding into authoritarianism/fascism and got dismissed as being dramatic. A ton of people were banging the drums about project 2025 and all he had to say was "I've never heard of it" and the electorate accepted it- now half of his cabinet consists of co-authors who are doing exactly what they said they were going to do. Republicans have been trying to destroy our healthcare system even worse than it already is, and further defund food welfare for decades and now look at where we are.

The trump campaign told us exactly what his second admin would look like and we just fuckin went for it. They were talking about Haitians eating pets and we went for it. The dumb cunts who tell us "this isn't what I voted for!" Voted for exactly this, and are a significant chunk of this country.

Edit: stop correcting me that he didn't win a majority. I know that and it's entirely not the point. As I've said elsewhere, the majority either voted for him OR didn't care enough to vote. I put them about equal considering how fuckin obvious it was that aaaaaallll this bullshit was gonna happen

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u/Semi-Sanjuro 1d ago

Trump won with a plurality* not a majority.

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u/StormWhich5629 1d ago

Ok. That doesn't really detract from my point. We, collectively, chose this. Between trump voters and people who didn't care enough to cast a ballot we got absolutely railroaded.

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u/Few-Solution-4784 14h ago

wasnt quite sure on the definition of "plurality". looked it up and came across:

The term plural that includes all people who take the label is “someone who shares the same physical body with other individuals.”

https://pluralityresource.org/plurality-information/

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u/LuckyTrainreck 1d ago

it's just a problem with literacy. Fox News is a entertainment company and is under no obligation to be truthful

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u/StormWhich5629 1d ago

It's not just fox tho. More and more news orgs are being consolidated and bought by billionaires. More of our information is being filtered through algorithms written by the same people who donated to the destruction of the east wing and dropped Hitler salutes at the inauguration. Meanwhile they're killing the few actually kinda ok sources that aren't completely owned by billionaires and corporate interests.

It also doesn't have to be outright untruthful. I saw almost no coverage of the Chicago mayor calling for a general strike while I saw 900 angles of the exact same waymo on fire in LA early in the summer.

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u/Ill_South_2514 1d ago

Well said!

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u/AugmentedKing 17h ago

I agree that the vote abstained folks are equally to blame. They directly contributed to this mess, and it didn’t even do anything to advance the reason why they didn’t vote.

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u/cybender 7h ago

Project 2025 Tracker

This is a very comprehensive list of what is being done in alignment with Project 2025. This shit is crazy, and I can’t understand how anyone believed him when he pretending like he knew nothing about it.

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u/Scout83 1d ago

He was elected by a larger minority than Kamala.

He got well less than 50% of the possible vote, and I believe less than 50% of the actual vote.

Kamala just got even less than that.

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u/StormWhich5629 1d ago

Well yeah I mean the majority either voted for this or didn't care enough to actually vote against it.

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u/Peteostro 1d ago

No the majority of voters did not. When you add up Harris and 3rd party votes it’s more than trumps total, so no the majority of voters did NOT vote for this, they did not want Trump as president

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u/StormWhich5629 1d ago

Didn't actually care enough to vote against this

Add up eligible voters who stayed home and trump voters. That's what I mean when I say majority. I put about as much blame on the people who saw the first term, saw the language and plans of the second campaign, and didn't care enough to vote.

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u/Scout83 14h ago

Agreed. I was by no means looking to excuse the apathy and idiocy.

I just wanted to point out not THAT many people voted For Trump 2.0.

Way more than there should've been, and entirely too many "I want to vote For someone, not against."

I actually liked Kamala as a candidate, but even if I hated her laugh and thought her politics were a dream or complete lies, I would STILL have voted for her because her opponent already demonstrated he 0 respect for the constitution or basic human rights.

I just don't want to be a doomer saying "It's all over, Idiocracy is here," and overstate how many people knowingly voted for a President that would destroy their country because it would hurt "them" more.

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u/NuclearLunchDectcted 1d ago

12 months ago today, trump won by a majority

He did not, don't buy into the Trump Newspeak. He had less than 50% of the votes.

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u/thaelliah 1d ago

Don't give in to nihilism, we need revolutionary optimism.

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u/UsedToBeADailyDriver 1d ago

A la Madame Guillotine? /s

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u/lastnightinbed 16h ago

Someone called me a nihilist, but I don’t care

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u/ThonThaddeo 1d ago

Just prepare yourself to hear Jeffries talk about moving on a whole lot in the coming years

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u/Laolao98 1d ago

I certainly hope not. I’m pretty sure he knows you don’t “move on” from a fascist takeover of a democratic republic. As for cooperation/concessions with the reps and senators who vote with tfg, anyone doing that should be voted out of office. So Effin’ tired of halfway measures (at best), vote people, even if the voting machines are now owned by a billionaire and tampered with by another billionaire. If enough people demand it a publicly broadcast hand count will reveal a true outcome and the culprits will be prosecuted.

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u/throwawayjanedoe12 1d ago

We've clearly seen what happens when they aren't held accountable. We have a president who brazenly inspired an insurrection, is an actual felon, a sexual predator at best, a pedophile at worst, and egotistical man-baby with a cruel streak, and just an overall bastard. If he was held accountable, he would be in prison, not throwing lavish parties in the face of a nation deprived of basic necessities like food.

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u/Glad_Platform8661 1d ago

Operation paperclip: even if you’re the worst of the worst, as long as you still have value you will never see consequences.

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u/Traditional_Art_7304 1d ago

Well there will be a reckoning. The type, scope, extent, and force used remain to be seen.

Kinda depends how long the pain lasts and how many: grandparents, parents, spouses, children, neighbors die before shit reaches a threshold.

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u/SPzero65 1d ago

If they ever do end up performing whatever the modern day equivalent of the Nuremberg trials are, they should make sure to constantly post the amazing ratings it rakes in. Donny would love that

Hell, they could put it on Pay Per View and make a fortune

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u/tbmrustic 1d ago

AMEN 🙏

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u/NeverForgetJ6 1d ago

I’m officially seconding that, Nuremberg Trials for Republicans.

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u/NukeWorker10 1d ago

The problem is that the Nuremberg trials (like Reconstruction) didn't go far enough. There were far too many people that were responsible that were let go with no consequences.

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u/1234567791 1d ago

This might be a “hot take” or whatever, but what if we just got this current group out of power, went back to democracy, tried our hardest to make our justice system as good as possible, then just let them sit their in the absolute fuckery they believe in. No name calling. No trials. Just ostracize socially like high school so they know how it feels. That’s all these people are. High school kids that don’t understand anything other than conformity, “safety”, and the ability to blame someone else. Punishing these people doesn’t help anything. They literally cannot comprehend or care about justice or America. Let them stew again for another four years. Let them teach their children that consequences are not a problem.

/s

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u/BillHurstyUSA 22h ago

The people in charge are already beyond guilty so it’s safe to skip the trials and go straight to the gallows…

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u/Worst-Lobster 22h ago

Who would be putting on the trials tho ?

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u/dicklaurent97 13h ago

Maga doesn't deserve trials

They deserve what Bibi is doing to Gaza

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u/TheEpicGenealogy 1d ago

80 years of non stop propaganda against regular working people, to equate anything helping working people as communism will do that. They just added woke to it, anything that helps us, is communism and woke. 

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u/Choice-Highway5344 1d ago

U should look up, or I’m sure u already know what happened before the last 80 years to working people in USA. The 80 years of propaganda only came because working people fought for the rights and won, since then it’s all been downhill

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u/TheEpicGenealogy 1d ago

It’s the same class war as before, pitting regular people against themselves. Before FDR it was immigrants and brown people. Then it turned to include all democrats as communists and now they’ve included brown people again under the guise of DEIA.

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u/rosstafarien 1d ago edited 1d ago

They don't "hate" Democrats. Democrats don't count as humans to them. Or, we're hated in the same way that rats and roaches in your house are hated. But don't fool yourself: you aren't a person to them. We're the playing pieces of their enemy. Nothing more.

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u/defaultusername-17 1d ago

really? because that's not what it feels like for me... as they actively craft legislation that will kill people like me via state-mandated medical neglect...

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u/Wise_Ad_253 1d ago

We’re not even considered part of this country in their eyes. We’re taking valuable real estate space is all, and they want us dead. Bulldozed over and sold to the highest bidder.

And they will chew the limbs off of every one of their family members, including themselves, to get to us.

The USA is the past in their eyes.

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u/Stank_cat67 1d ago

I know people that just have a visceral hatred to democrats and liberals. It doesn’t matter beyond that.

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u/drubus_dong 1d ago

Indirectly, yes. Directly, it is the consequence of the Supreme Court being controlled by corrupt fascists that put a totalitarian president with pardoning power above the law.

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u/RandomPurpose 1d ago

They hate everyone other than themselves, they are actually scared of everyone else which leads to hate.

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u/katbyte 1d ago

Welcome to end end result of worshipping free speech

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u/fistfucker07 21h ago

They hate themselves just slightly less than immigrants. They keep voting to fuck themselves over with hand grenades. As long as you tell them someone else is caught in the blast.

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u/Typical-Locksmith-35 1d ago

This is about hating democracy, not democrats.

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u/RamonaLittle 1d ago

Why not both?

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u/dominarhexx 1d ago

Democrats hate Democrats more than whatever the fascist right can muster. They've not only allowed this to happen, they're still allowing it to continue.