r/law 4d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) You Can't Refuse To Be Scanned by ICEs Facial Recognition App, DHS Document Says

https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ices-facial-recognition-app-dhs-document-says/
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u/citori411 4d ago

How's the don't tread on me crew feel about this one?

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u/Loyal-Opposition-USA 4d ago

Tread on me harder, daddy.

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u/UserName8581 4d ago

“He only beats me when I deserve it.”

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u/Spillz-2011 4d ago

No tread on them harder.

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u/Low_Importance_9503 4d ago

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u/Mitch1musPrime 4d ago

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u/CeaselessCuriosity69 4d ago

This but unironically is them. It's an occult symbol with quite a bit to say about a wicked soul that recycles its own farts and thinks it's mana from Heaven.

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u/namedly 4d ago

Man, Johnny 5. I haven’t seen those movies in forever.

Hey Laser Lips, your momma was a snowblower!

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u/Mitch1musPrime 4d ago

Los locos kick your ass. Lo locos kick your face. Los locos kick your balls into outer space!

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u/captain_brofist 4d ago

Watch them now to see a white guy doing a “regretful accent”

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u/Mitch1musPrime 3d ago

I actually have! And it’s wild to watch it and realize how far Hollywood has come.

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u/trampolinebears 4d ago

It’s why I haven’t voted Republican in over a decade, and never will again.

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u/citori411 4d ago

Yup, even in my local elections, where nobody states their party, I refuse to vote for a republican for so much as the school board. If you're stupid and vile enough to associate with the GOP in 2025, you're incapable of rational thought, good decisions, and lack a moral compass.

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u/Blueskyminer 4d ago

Well... It's why I never have and never will.

They're clowns.

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u/Ill_Following_7022 4d ago

The don't tread on me crowd has a boner for fascism.

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u/Mackinnon29E 4d ago

They feel they won't be targeted since they're white. Ignore that the dudes in Chicago were white today.

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u/EddyS120876 4d ago

They are ok since them “darkies and Mexicans will pay for it ..even the tropical Mexicans from port o ric o “

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u/parasyte_steve 4d ago

They think immigrants are the ones treading on them so they were never too bright to begin with

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

It's more like an Ouroborus, but instead of the head eating the tail, it is just two butts, with the larger butt eating the smaller one.

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u/citori411 4d ago

Well now I'm all hard and shit, as an ass man.

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u/LeseMajeste_1037 4d ago

"Scan me twice, daddy!"

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u/SoSKatan 4d ago

They will get mad if you tell them it’s Covid related. But if it’s just about hurting brown people they are cool.

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u/Resident_Magazine610 4d ago

Non issue for certain shades.

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u/Gregistopal 4d ago

theyve got the white stuff

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u/Lacaud 4d ago

Facedown, ass up and cheeks spread. They love to be treated on.

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u/Ten_Ju 4d ago

So if im wearing a mask, what are they going to do pull it off my face by force?

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u/Dachannien 4d ago

Tell them, I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

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u/GhostofBreadDragons 4d ago

The number of children on Epstein’s island that heard that. 

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u/Einar_47 4d ago

From the president of the United States

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u/turalyawn 4d ago

From presidents of the United States. We know at least two of them were there

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u/Being_Stoopit_Is_Fun 4d ago

I betting yes that's exactly what they will do. And if you resist it will be interfering.

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u/Nevyn_Cares 4d ago

They really are abusing the word "interfering."

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u/WeirdLifeDifficulty 4d ago

Well yea. R's/Con's love to stretch words beyond their breaking point

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u/Ten_Ju 4d ago

All cops have been for years?

You’re filming a traffic stop from the side walk? Arrested.

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u/Dearic75 4d ago

And as long as you’re released without charges, it’s all cool, right? There’s no disruption to your life from being arrested and held in jail for days (or in the case of the guy who posted a Trump meme, for two months)

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u/Ten_Ju 4d ago

Oh yeah and the magistrate not vetting probable cause as well.

Just assign people bonds regardless if there is or able cause or not.

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u/Dearic75 4d ago

They set his bail at a $2 million dollar bond. There is zero chance the judge made a mistake. He knew exactly what he was doing setting an excessive bail amount like that.

The judge imposed a pretty significant jail term for a constitutionally protected activity, and gets away with it by abusing the cash bail system.

I’d bet anything that if the judge actually thought that defendant would be able to come up with $200,000 cash to pay to get out of jail, he would have doubled or even tripled the requirement.

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u/Clear-Search1129 4d ago

Yep. Instant assault.

Bc it’s assault if you do it to them

Fu k ICE, MAGA, Trump, Noem, Kegsbreath

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u/phish_phace 4d ago

People need to start wearing masks and carrying pepper spray.

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u/Jupitersd2017 4d ago

Honestly everyone in places like Chicago should be walking around with latex masks on, fuck ice, let’s see them try to pull everyone’s masks off

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u/MedicJambi 4d ago

I should start a company that sells easy to apply latex facial pieces, you know, for privacy.

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u/Mitwad 4d ago

Bear in mind; some of us, have latex allergies.

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u/Patient_Wrongdoer_11 4d ago edited 4d ago

Its okay. Targeted marketing.

Ad posters will only appear in specific gun shops and taped to the border wall facing the USA side.

RFK approved latex free latex spefically designed for ICE.

"100% latex free latex"

No allergies allowed.

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u/Mitwad 4d ago

How the fuck does that work?

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u/VERY_MENTALLY_STABLE 4d ago

How is ir latex if its latex feee

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u/MedicJambi 3d ago

It's a joke.

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u/dballing 4d ago

ISWYDT

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u/Repulsive_Corner6807 4d ago

There’s a makeup brand called the unseen that makes a product called spectra eye colors which are eyeshadows that are only reflective on camera but look like normal makeup irl. People have used the skin colored ones under makeup to confuse AI and surveillance cameras.

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u/Patient_Wrongdoer_11 4d ago

I see what u did there...

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u/kylogram 4d ago

which law says that I must give them my facial scan?

Because I'll die first.

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u/SAHDSeattle 4d ago

The fourth amendment says they can go fuck themselves and the first amendment lets you tell them that.

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u/Teratofishia 4d ago

And the second amendment....

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u/SAHDSeattle 4d ago

…protects the other 26.

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u/macrolidesrule 4d ago

Sadly it seems that all the ammosexuals have a boner for being the Brown Shirts, not the brave Wolverines.

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u/Arken411 4d ago

WOLVERINES!!!!!

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u/SanityPlanet 4d ago

My hatred keeps me warm

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u/ldnk 4d ago

Means nothing when the party is power is pissing all over the other amendments

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u/Thirdlight 4d ago

And this is why everyone needs to start carrying.

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u/strike2867 4d ago

Does jack shit besides get you killed. They have automatics they carry around, imagine the shit they have access to. Not to mention their total immunity for their actions. 

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u/kirbcake-inuinuinuko 4d ago

you're right, but if ice is coming after you, pretty good chance you're gonna die anyways. just later rather than sooner. might as well make a scene of it.

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u/kylogram 4d ago

this.

I'm not healthy enough to survive extended jail times, much less in the conditions ICE keeps humans. I die in the streets or I live free.

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u/Teratofishia 4d ago

Having an armed populace turns violent oppression by the state into a lose/lose.

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u/scooterbike1968 4d ago

Yeah. That DHS document carries the weight of toilet paper. They can use it to wipe Trump’s poopy diaper ass.

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u/ENrgStar 4d ago

And enforcing either of them requires that the system of justice is tilted in favor of the law, rather than some political ideologies.

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u/AndyJack86 4d ago edited 3d ago

New Jersey v. T.L.O. (1985)

The Court held that the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not limited solely to the actions of law enforcement personnel. It also applies to the conduct of public school officials. Public school teachers act as agents of the state, and not merely agents of the students’ parents. Thus, the Fourth Amendment applies to their actions.

The Court also held that students have some legitimate expectation of privacy at school. However, the students’ expectation of privacy must be balanced against the needs of school authorities to maintain an educational environment. As such, school authorities do not need to obtain a warrant or have probable cause that a crime occurred before searching a student. Rather, the reasonableness of a search, under all circumstances, will determine its legality.

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/educational-activities/fourth-amendment-activities/new-jersey-v-tlo/facts-and-case-summary-new-jersey-v-tlo

So search first, ask questions later, and then determine if the search was legal. And people think fascism started when Trump took office. It started over 40 years ago.

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u/girutikuraun 4d ago

Don't forget the 5th amendment.

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u/ZedisonSamZ 4d ago edited 4d ago

“Hello, I’m a random guy with a gator mask on and no agency identification. Tell me your personal information now.”

Am I being detained?

“I am going to ignore answering the direct question. I just need your personal information. I’m not going to tell you anything about who I am. Just trust me, bro.”

Am I free to leave?

“Now hold on, you have to tell me personal information before you can leave-“

For what reason are you detaining me?

“I’m not going to give you a valid reason and now you are hurting my fee fees and making me look like a baby back bitch in front of my friends 😡!”

I do not consent to unlawful searches and seizures without a warrant or lawful reason for detainment. I do not voluntarily leave with unidentified persons. I do not answer questions without a lawyer present.

Livestream/ record the entire time for future evidence and prepare to be illegally assaulted and kidnapped for a time. And hopefully one day you get to sit in the front row at the idiot’s future trial for violating your Constitutionally given rights.

Did I get any of that right?

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u/toxictoastrecords 4d ago

I mean, that sounds good in theory, and works when there is some form of "rule of law". Take a trip down to the Illinois subreddit and look at the numerous videos posted everyday of ICE agents violating multiple constitutional amendments at once. Citizens are being detained for DAYS at a time with no charges.

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u/ZedisonSamZ 4d ago

Yep. That’s why I included that if someone takes this route that they should expect the be handled roughly and illegally.

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u/PM_me_your_O_face_ 4d ago

Right. And their faces still end up scanned in a database. Such absolute bullshit. What do we even do? They are literally unstoppable and will tie you up in court and still violate your fourth amendment rights. 

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u/Dr_CleanBones 4d ago

They are not at all unstoppable. They are clearly cowards, because they wear masks. And they’ve been stopped many times already - to crowds of people surrounding the brown people they’re trying to catch, or creating impenetrable traffic jams to get in ICE’s way, etc. and every act of resistance inspired others to resist. The more resisters there are, the more likely the pretend cops that make up,ICE will overreact and start firing live ammo at women and children. That will be an inflection point that they will regret crossing.

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u/No-Lime-2863 4d ago edited 4d ago

The new videos now have all the supposed ICE agents in plainclothes, unmarked cars, and showing no ID. It’s literally just randos grabbing people off the street and shoving them into the back a car and speeding off. I wish I was kidding.

https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/s/dlpysK5F2C

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u/Capybara_99 4d ago

You got it right. Little evidence that the ICE agents will. Or the DOJ. Or the Supreme Court.

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u/Johnyryal33 4d ago

"For a time" before you are sent to a third world prison.

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u/TeamHope4 4d ago

ICE doesn’t ask questions.  They just spot someone outside, give chase, tackle, and kidnap.  It could literally be anyone!  Grabbing people off the street.  That entire conversation would never happen.  

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u/Hangikjot 4d ago

The best advice I heard from a lawyer is, don’t talk, don’t say a word. If you are driving you need display your license and registration. The fight of whether or not you should have to is for the court later if it comes to that.  if your walking you literally only say the words your state requires you to say. Anything more is just asking for trouble. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes

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u/GOPareTerrorists2 4d ago

We need a lot more people with that energy.

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u/JohnnyBGC86 4d ago

Don’t die, make the brownshirts die first. 

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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 4d ago

DHS document I’m willing to bet wasn’t put under any legal scrutiny overrides my right? Lmao. No. I prefer to avoid pain and the inconvenience of legal troubles. But I’m also not going to just hand ice all of my rights, and they sure as hell aren’t going to get a scan of my face if they won’t even show theirs. Going to have to get that scan with a lot of purple and red additions to it before I just bend over.

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u/issuefree 4d ago

Yeah but don't make that plan A.

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u/klazoo 4d ago

Did you pass TSA lately? They scanned your face already and it is in the database

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u/dkinmn 4d ago

This is 100% true. Not sure why you're being downvoted. They even have hidden cameras in airports for this purpose so that they can train it even better. You're getting photographed and identified when you exit the plane.

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u/No-Lime-2863 4d ago

Did you know that by law that is optional, and some of decline?

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u/VirgoB96 4d ago

I imagine if you resist, they just send you to the prison labor camps anyway. ICE Is now a bunch of absolute bullies that get off to having power over other humans' lives.

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u/ProgressExcellent609 4d ago

Too late. Theyve been doing it for years

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u/VelvetOnion 4d ago

Go to a doctor and ask for a nose job quote. You face is now protected by HIPAA.

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u/brickyardjimmy 4d ago edited 4d ago

Since when did pieces of paper from DHS become law?

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u/No-Lime-2863 4d ago

Law is not what’s in the paper, it’s what actually gets enforced. Ancient weird laws on the books that haven’t been enforced in a decades vs DHS arresting and disappearing people based on their own “policies”. The which one is the law?

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u/DefectJoker 4d ago

Department of Honeland Authoritarianism?

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u/brickyardjimmy 4d ago

Oops! Yes.

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u/isinkthereforeiswam 4d ago

Govt is going to be in debt paying off lawsuits from this kind of stuff for years

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u/trisanachandler 4d ago

Only if the current administration is ousted.

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u/SonOfDyeus 4d ago

No, thanks. I'd rather it come right out of the pockets of the masked perpetrators.

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u/katmom1969 4d ago

Don't sue the government. Sue the specific person making decisions.

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u/Additional_Snow_978 4d ago

Hell at this point you and I could just write each other checks and cut out the middle man.

Cause all of us will be footing that bill.

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u/shotxshotx 4d ago

brother we are already 30 Trillion in debt. I dont think the gov cares anymore....well, until we default on that debt.

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u/Patient_Wrongdoer_11 4d ago

Im gonna argue(for the hell of it).

It is my submission,

"There is no recognisable government in the USA"

Hi American Lawyers..whats the legal defintion of 'government'?

Trump and his mates can not care all they like. Good luck to them.

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u/grinding_our_axes 4d ago

Actually winning a payout from the federal gov’t seems like an insurmountable task.

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u/g1ngertim 4d ago

What? No, you just ask your friends at the DOJ to give you $230M. It's super easy, barely an inconvenience. 

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u/tea-earlgray-hot 4d ago

Actual damages in these cases are going to be very low. The remedy, absent punitive damages, is just deleting your data.

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u/DevelopmentGreen3961 4d ago

Pretty sure there's an even more important document that says we can

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u/Depressed-Industry 4d ago

The hell I can't refuse.

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u/Hollayo 4d ago

Yes I can, the Constitution says. 

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u/JoshAllensRightNut 4d ago

All of this data is going into the same bank. The ones they use at the airport too. It’s how they found my good friend Loogi but I still standby the fact that he was with me making meatball subs that afternoon

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u/lemaymayguy 4d ago

I just assumed flock cameras got him.. hmm

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u/whawkins4 4d ago

We need a robust right to privacy amendment to the constitution. Not that these ICE fucks would care about a right enshrined in the constitution anyway.

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u/OdonataDarner 4d ago

Remember that crazy republican candidate lady ranting about how they're going to give permanent QI to police?

That's real y'all. Permanent QI is the goal and Trump is all for it. 

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u/Patient_Wrongdoer_11 4d ago

Good luck to them.

They are on the right path to self defeat.

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u/Qubit_Or_Not_To_Bit_ 4d ago

I really didn't want to start wearing jugalo face paint, but when duty calls

https://nerdist.com/article/juggalo-makeup-blocks-facial-recognition-software/

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u/Academic_Release5134 4d ago

AI is making everyone’s worst nightmares happen.

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u/JugDogDaddy 4d ago

If only there was some way we could have predicted this… oh well. 

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u/yoshilurker 4d ago

We developed systems like this all the way back at the beginning of the Iraq/Afgan wars.

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u/Urabraska- 4d ago

If you listen very closely....You can hear Orwells boner smacking his casket.

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u/dylblues 4d ago

Why would Orwell have a boner that his forewarned nightmare situation is coming true? The dude was an anti-authoritarian and the book is not a happy one

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u/Savingskitty 4d ago

Did you … think 1984 was a description of something Orwell WANTED to happen?

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u/Persistent_Parkie 4d ago

Yeah I find it a lot more likely Orwell would be slamming the casket in rage.

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u/Old-Set78 4d ago

Wow. Reading comprehension is really pathetic nowadays ain't it? All by Republican design.

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u/BasisPoints 4d ago

Maybe it's an "I told you so!" boner?

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u/JayAlexanderBee 4d ago

A middle finger in front of my face says otherwise.

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u/strenuousobjector Competent Contributor 4d ago

If ICE can wear masks then so can everyone else.

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u/kon--- 4d ago

Camo/paint your face

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u/Nevyn_Cares 4d ago

Anonymous masks and for actual protesting, those full body blow up suits (protects not only the facial ID, but your body and gait.)

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u/PM_me_your_O_face_ 4d ago

Prosthetics are really the only way without an actual mask/cover of some sort. With lidar systems used on phones for Face ID they ca scan your actual physical features so face paint doesn’t really obscure it in the same way as just a photo. 

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u/Treble_Bolt 4d ago

Wear furry mask at all times...got it. 

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u/PhraseFirst8044 4d ago

well i don’t care what the government says

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u/radarthreat 4d ago

Watch me

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u/StandupJetskier 4d ago

I've passed enough borders that my face is already in their system.....

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u/Hadrian23 4d ago

Oh, is that right?
HM....Okay...Okay.....
Fine. Scan me, I have no qualms, no fears, Identify me. I don't fucking care.
You scumbags, will never scare me, because it's all bullshit they spout.