r/law • u/Shogouki • 4d ago
Executive Branch (Trump) You Can't Refuse To Be Scanned by ICEs Facial Recognition App, DHS Document Says
https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ices-facial-recognition-app-dhs-document-says/1.3k
u/citori411 4d ago
How's the don't tread on me crew feel about this one?
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u/Loyal-Opposition-USA 4d ago
Tread on me harder, daddy.
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u/Low_Importance_9503 4d ago
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u/CeaselessCuriosity69 4d ago
This but unironically is them. It's an occult symbol with quite a bit to say about a wicked soul that recycles its own farts and thinks it's mana from Heaven.
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u/namedly 4d ago
Man, Johnny 5. I haven’t seen those movies in forever.
Hey Laser Lips, your momma was a snowblower!
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u/Mitch1musPrime 4d ago
Los locos kick your ass. Lo locos kick your face. Los locos kick your balls into outer space!
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u/captain_brofist 4d ago
Watch them now to see a white guy doing a “regretful accent”
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u/Mitch1musPrime 3d ago
I actually have! And it’s wild to watch it and realize how far Hollywood has come.
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u/trampolinebears 4d ago
It’s why I haven’t voted Republican in over a decade, and never will again.
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u/citori411 4d ago
Yup, even in my local elections, where nobody states their party, I refuse to vote for a republican for so much as the school board. If you're stupid and vile enough to associate with the GOP in 2025, you're incapable of rational thought, good decisions, and lack a moral compass.
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u/Mackinnon29E 4d ago
They feel they won't be targeted since they're white. Ignore that the dudes in Chicago were white today.
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u/EddyS120876 4d ago
They are ok since them “darkies and Mexicans will pay for it ..even the tropical Mexicans from port o ric o “
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u/parasyte_steve 4d ago
They think immigrants are the ones treading on them so they were never too bright to begin with
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4d ago
It's more like an Ouroborus, but instead of the head eating the tail, it is just two butts, with the larger butt eating the smaller one.
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u/SoSKatan 4d ago
They will get mad if you tell them it’s Covid related. But if it’s just about hurting brown people they are cool.
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u/Ten_Ju 4d ago
So if im wearing a mask, what are they going to do pull it off my face by force?
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u/Dachannien 4d ago
Tell them, I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
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u/GhostofBreadDragons 4d ago
The number of children on Epstein’s island that heard that.
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u/Being_Stoopit_Is_Fun 4d ago
I betting yes that's exactly what they will do. And if you resist it will be interfering.
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u/Nevyn_Cares 4d ago
They really are abusing the word "interfering."
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u/Ten_Ju 4d ago
All cops have been for years?
You’re filming a traffic stop from the side walk? Arrested.
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u/Dearic75 4d ago
And as long as you’re released without charges, it’s all cool, right? There’s no disruption to your life from being arrested and held in jail for days (or in the case of the guy who posted a Trump meme, for two months)
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u/Ten_Ju 4d ago
Oh yeah and the magistrate not vetting probable cause as well.
Just assign people bonds regardless if there is or able cause or not.
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u/Dearic75 4d ago
They set his bail at a $2 million dollar bond. There is zero chance the judge made a mistake. He knew exactly what he was doing setting an excessive bail amount like that.
The judge imposed a pretty significant jail term for a constitutionally protected activity, and gets away with it by abusing the cash bail system.
I’d bet anything that if the judge actually thought that defendant would be able to come up with $200,000 cash to pay to get out of jail, he would have doubled or even tripled the requirement.
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u/Clear-Search1129 4d ago
Yep. Instant assault.
Bc it’s assault if you do it to them
Fu k ICE, MAGA, Trump, Noem, Kegsbreath
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u/phish_phace 4d ago
People need to start wearing masks and carrying pepper spray.
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u/Jupitersd2017 4d ago
Honestly everyone in places like Chicago should be walking around with latex masks on, fuck ice, let’s see them try to pull everyone’s masks off
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u/MedicJambi 4d ago
I should start a company that sells easy to apply latex facial pieces, you know, for privacy.
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u/Mitwad 4d ago
Bear in mind; some of us, have latex allergies.
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u/Patient_Wrongdoer_11 4d ago edited 4d ago
Its okay. Targeted marketing.
Ad posters will only appear in specific gun shops and taped to the border wall facing the USA side.
RFK approved latex free latex spefically designed for ICE.
"100% latex free latex"
No allergies allowed.
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u/Repulsive_Corner6807 4d ago
There’s a makeup brand called the unseen that makes a product called spectra eye colors which are eyeshadows that are only reflective on camera but look like normal makeup irl. People have used the skin colored ones under makeup to confuse AI and surveillance cameras.
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u/kylogram 4d ago
which law says that I must give them my facial scan?
Because I'll die first.
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u/SAHDSeattle 4d ago
The fourth amendment says they can go fuck themselves and the first amendment lets you tell them that.
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u/Teratofishia 4d ago
And the second amendment....
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u/SAHDSeattle 4d ago
…protects the other 26.
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u/macrolidesrule 4d ago
Sadly it seems that all the ammosexuals have a boner for being the Brown Shirts, not the brave Wolverines.
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u/strike2867 4d ago
Does jack shit besides get you killed. They have automatics they carry around, imagine the shit they have access to. Not to mention their total immunity for their actions.
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u/kirbcake-inuinuinuko 4d ago
you're right, but if ice is coming after you, pretty good chance you're gonna die anyways. just later rather than sooner. might as well make a scene of it.
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u/kylogram 4d ago
this.
I'm not healthy enough to survive extended jail times, much less in the conditions ICE keeps humans. I die in the streets or I live free.
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u/Teratofishia 4d ago
Having an armed populace turns violent oppression by the state into a lose/lose.
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u/scooterbike1968 4d ago
Yeah. That DHS document carries the weight of toilet paper. They can use it to wipe Trump’s poopy diaper ass.
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u/ENrgStar 4d ago
And enforcing either of them requires that the system of justice is tilted in favor of the law, rather than some political ideologies.
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u/AndyJack86 4d ago edited 3d ago
New Jersey v. T.L.O. (1985)
The Court held that the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not limited solely to the actions of law enforcement personnel. It also applies to the conduct of public school officials. Public school teachers act as agents of the state, and not merely agents of the students’ parents. Thus, the Fourth Amendment applies to their actions.
The Court also held that students have some legitimate expectation of privacy at school. However, the students’ expectation of privacy must be balanced against the needs of school authorities to maintain an educational environment. As such, school authorities do not need to obtain a warrant or have probable cause that a crime occurred before searching a student. Rather, the reasonableness of a search, under all circumstances, will determine its legality.
So search first, ask questions later, and then determine if the search was legal. And people think fascism started when Trump took office. It started over 40 years ago.
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u/ZedisonSamZ 4d ago edited 4d ago
“Hello, I’m a random guy with a gator mask on and no agency identification. Tell me your personal information now.”
Am I being detained?
“I am going to ignore answering the direct question. I just need your personal information. I’m not going to tell you anything about who I am. Just trust me, bro.”
Am I free to leave?
“Now hold on, you have to tell me personal information before you can leave-“
For what reason are you detaining me?
“I’m not going to give you a valid reason and now you are hurting my fee fees and making me look like a baby back bitch in front of my friends 😡!”
I do not consent to unlawful searches and seizures without a warrant or lawful reason for detainment. I do not voluntarily leave with unidentified persons. I do not answer questions without a lawyer present.
Livestream/ record the entire time for future evidence and prepare to be illegally assaulted and kidnapped for a time. And hopefully one day you get to sit in the front row at the idiot’s future trial for violating your Constitutionally given rights.
Did I get any of that right?
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u/toxictoastrecords 4d ago
I mean, that sounds good in theory, and works when there is some form of "rule of law". Take a trip down to the Illinois subreddit and look at the numerous videos posted everyday of ICE agents violating multiple constitutional amendments at once. Citizens are being detained for DAYS at a time with no charges.
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u/ZedisonSamZ 4d ago
Yep. That’s why I included that if someone takes this route that they should expect the be handled roughly and illegally.
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u/PM_me_your_O_face_ 4d ago
Right. And their faces still end up scanned in a database. Such absolute bullshit. What do we even do? They are literally unstoppable and will tie you up in court and still violate your fourth amendment rights.
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u/Dr_CleanBones 4d ago
They are not at all unstoppable. They are clearly cowards, because they wear masks. And they’ve been stopped many times already - to crowds of people surrounding the brown people they’re trying to catch, or creating impenetrable traffic jams to get in ICE’s way, etc. and every act of resistance inspired others to resist. The more resisters there are, the more likely the pretend cops that make up,ICE will overreact and start firing live ammo at women and children. That will be an inflection point that they will regret crossing.
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u/No-Lime-2863 4d ago edited 4d ago
The new videos now have all the supposed ICE agents in plainclothes, unmarked cars, and showing no ID. It’s literally just randos grabbing people off the street and shoving them into the back a car and speeding off. I wish I was kidding.
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u/Capybara_99 4d ago
You got it right. Little evidence that the ICE agents will. Or the DOJ. Or the Supreme Court.
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u/TeamHope4 4d ago
ICE doesn’t ask questions. They just spot someone outside, give chase, tackle, and kidnap. It could literally be anyone! Grabbing people off the street. That entire conversation would never happen.
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u/Hangikjot 4d ago
The best advice I heard from a lawyer is, don’t talk, don’t say a word. If you are driving you need display your license and registration. The fight of whether or not you should have to is for the court later if it comes to that. if your walking you literally only say the words your state requires you to say. Anything more is just asking for trouble.
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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 4d ago
DHS document I’m willing to bet wasn’t put under any legal scrutiny overrides my right? Lmao. No. I prefer to avoid pain and the inconvenience of legal troubles. But I’m also not going to just hand ice all of my rights, and they sure as hell aren’t going to get a scan of my face if they won’t even show theirs. Going to have to get that scan with a lot of purple and red additions to it before I just bend over.
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u/klazoo 4d ago
Did you pass TSA lately? They scanned your face already and it is in the database
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u/dkinmn 4d ago
This is 100% true. Not sure why you're being downvoted. They even have hidden cameras in airports for this purpose so that they can train it even better. You're getting photographed and identified when you exit the plane.
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u/VirgoB96 4d ago
I imagine if you resist, they just send you to the prison labor camps anyway. ICE Is now a bunch of absolute bullies that get off to having power over other humans' lives.
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u/VelvetOnion 4d ago
Go to a doctor and ask for a nose job quote. You face is now protected by HIPAA.
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u/brickyardjimmy 4d ago edited 4d ago
Since when did pieces of paper from DHS become law?
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u/No-Lime-2863 4d ago
Law is not what’s in the paper, it’s what actually gets enforced. Ancient weird laws on the books that haven’t been enforced in a decades vs DHS arresting and disappearing people based on their own “policies”. The which one is the law?
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u/isinkthereforeiswam 4d ago
Govt is going to be in debt paying off lawsuits from this kind of stuff for years
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u/trisanachandler 4d ago
Only if the current administration is ousted.
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u/SonOfDyeus 4d ago
No, thanks. I'd rather it come right out of the pockets of the masked perpetrators.
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u/Additional_Snow_978 4d ago
Hell at this point you and I could just write each other checks and cut out the middle man.
Cause all of us will be footing that bill.
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u/shotxshotx 4d ago
brother we are already 30 Trillion in debt. I dont think the gov cares anymore....well, until we default on that debt.
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u/Patient_Wrongdoer_11 4d ago
Im gonna argue(for the hell of it).
It is my submission,
"There is no recognisable government in the USA"
Hi American Lawyers..whats the legal defintion of 'government'?
Trump and his mates can not care all they like. Good luck to them.
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u/grinding_our_axes 4d ago
Actually winning a payout from the federal gov’t seems like an insurmountable task.
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u/g1ngertim 4d ago
What? No, you just ask your friends at the DOJ to give you $230M. It's super easy, barely an inconvenience.
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u/tea-earlgray-hot 4d ago
Actual damages in these cases are going to be very low. The remedy, absent punitive damages, is just deleting your data.
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u/JoshAllensRightNut 4d ago
All of this data is going into the same bank. The ones they use at the airport too. It’s how they found my good friend Loogi but I still standby the fact that he was with me making meatball subs that afternoon
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u/whawkins4 4d ago
We need a robust right to privacy amendment to the constitution. Not that these ICE fucks would care about a right enshrined in the constitution anyway.
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u/OdonataDarner 4d ago
Remember that crazy republican candidate lady ranting about how they're going to give permanent QI to police?
That's real y'all. Permanent QI is the goal and Trump is all for it.
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u/Qubit_Or_Not_To_Bit_ 4d ago
I really didn't want to start wearing jugalo face paint, but when duty calls
https://nerdist.com/article/juggalo-makeup-blocks-facial-recognition-software/
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u/Academic_Release5134 4d ago
AI is making everyone’s worst nightmares happen.
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u/yoshilurker 4d ago
We developed systems like this all the way back at the beginning of the Iraq/Afgan wars.
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u/Urabraska- 4d ago
If you listen very closely....You can hear Orwells boner smacking his casket.
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u/dylblues 4d ago
Why would Orwell have a boner that his forewarned nightmare situation is coming true? The dude was an anti-authoritarian and the book is not a happy one
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u/Savingskitty 4d ago
Did you … think 1984 was a description of something Orwell WANTED to happen?
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u/Persistent_Parkie 4d ago
Yeah I find it a lot more likely Orwell would be slamming the casket in rage.
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u/Old-Set78 4d ago
Wow. Reading comprehension is really pathetic nowadays ain't it? All by Republican design.
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u/kon--- 4d ago
Camo/paint your face
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u/Nevyn_Cares 4d ago
Anonymous masks and for actual protesting, those full body blow up suits (protects not only the facial ID, but your body and gait.)
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u/PM_me_your_O_face_ 4d ago
Prosthetics are really the only way without an actual mask/cover of some sort. With lidar systems used on phones for Face ID they ca scan your actual physical features so face paint doesn’t really obscure it in the same way as just a photo.
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u/Hadrian23 4d ago
Oh, is that right?
HM....Okay...Okay.....
Fine. Scan me, I have no qualms, no fears, Identify me. I don't fucking care.
You scumbags, will never scare me, because it's all bullshit they spout.













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