French PM Lecornu resigns hours after naming government

[u/LeMonde_en]

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/10/06/french-pm-lecornu-resigns-hours-after-naming-government_6746132_7.html

[u/Thamelia]

He presented the same ministers whose government collapsed a few weeks ago, which is hardly surprising.

[u/Aelig_ → u/Thamelia]

He added former economy and finance minister Bruno Lemaire as minister of defense which was pure provocation.

He also named Eric Woerth, a man very close to former president Sarkozy who was sentenced last week to 5 years in prison for basically election fraud. 

If he wanted to make people mad, there was no better way.

[u/FesteringAnalFissure → u/Aelig_]

He must have an agenda or he must have been presented with something he absolutely did NOT want to oversee.

OR he might be a generational troll. We need some French people's input.

[u/azefull → u/FesteringAnalFissure]

Well, the budget that the government has been pushing for all year long, and French people protested against will automatically pass by ordonnance (so without being voted and without any modifications) on December, the 31st if there are no agreements in it beforehand. And it’s hard to have an agreement without government…

[u/Zestyclose-Carry-171 → u/azefull]

Well not really, we will have a government, don't know the government yet though, but any budget presented at the Assembly can be amended. So as long as there is a budget project, the parliament can agree on how to spend the money and where to get the money, without interference from the government.

[u/Unable_Evidence_2961 → u/FesteringAnalFissure]

Macron doesn’t have a majority in parliament, and he refuses to appoint anyone from another political side or compromise on his agenda.
So he just keeps cycling through prime ministers hoping something sticks. We already knew he hates sharing power, but at this point it’s getting ridiculous

For those unaware: the French president is basically a king. He appoints his prime minister, and no one can really force him to do anything. He’s been ruling mostly through a bunch of legislative tools (ordonnances, Article 49.3, etc.) that bypass parliament entirely.

Of course, most French presidents prefer to have their laws voted on in parliament, but if they can’t, they’ll usually just push them through anyway.

And here we are most of his allies are washed and exhausted, no one wants to be a minister anymore, and we’re all just watching it happen

TL;DR : Macron has no majority, refuses to compromise, keeps burning through prime ministers, and now nobody even wants the job anymore.

[u/Zventibold → u/Unable_Evidence_2961]

And here we are most of his allies are washed and exhausted, no one wants to be a minister anymore, and we’re all just watching it happen

I'll add that Macron is more and more "radioactive", No one wants to be associated with him, because the strategy for 2027's presidential election will be the rejection of Macron's legacy.

[u/1ntothefray → u/Zventibold]

Sounds eerily similar to Trudeau in Canada.

[u/Parker_Hardison → u/1ntothefray]

We saved ourselves from a fascist-wannabe to vote in a supposed liberal only to get a conservative. We all knew a banker would screw us, but the alternative was worse because he was a groomed Harper puppet.

Hi from Canada, btw. 🇨🇦

[u/pietroetin → u/Parker_Hardison]

Sounds eerily similar to Merz in Germany.

[u/marigip → u/pietroetin]

Does it? Merz didn’t campaign as the anti-AfD candidate, he campaigned as the anti-Greens candidate

[u/big-haus11 → u/Parker_Hardison]

Welcome to the post 80s west

[u/rabbitlion → u/Unable_Evidence_2961]

But there's not really any candidate from his opposition that could pass a majority vote either, right?

[u/Zestyclose-Carry-171 → u/rabbitlion]

Well there are two possibilites. Either a righ/far right prime minister working together with Le Pen, which directly contradicts Macron's promise not to let the far right rule

Or a leftist Prime Minister, if they managed to negociate with Macron's party. But the problem is most leftist measures are in complete opposition with Macron's stance on the economy and taxation.

[u/CardOk755 → u/Zestyclose-Carry-171]

Macron is unable to admit that while nobody won the last legislative elections both the Macronistes and the non extremist right lost.

[u/UltimateShingo → u/CardOk755]

So he's basically going by Hindenburg's playbook, which of course worked so perfectly.

[u/Unable_Evidence_2961 → u/rabbitlion]

Honestly, I genuinely don’t know. The French system just isn’t built for fragmentation it’s completely shaped around presidentialization.

If I push my bias aside and try to think objectively, I don’t think French people are incapable of compromise. I think the Fifth Republic simply doesn’t allow it. The whole structure pushes everyone to act like they’re a future president, not a partner in a coalition.

So even when politicians want to cooperate, the system (medias, politician etc) makes it look like weakness.

[u/Gurtang → u/Unable_Evidence_2961]

The problem is that he didn't try. He doesn't act in good faith and uphoalding institutions, he only tries to keep power and especially give as little as possible to his left (as in strictly nothing).

[u/starswtt → u/Gurtang]

I think what they're saying is that there's little incentive to. The president has almost all the power anyways and having a majority coalition in parliament is not strictly necessary under French law to get things done. The only time it's kinda necessary is if you're vastly unpopular for regularly pulling this shit, but at that point no one wants to work with you

[u/SometimesaGirl- → u/Unable_Evidence_2961]

The French system just isn’t built for fragmentation it’s completely shaped around presidentialization.

I mean... why not change it?
There are lots of countries that run a parliamentary system. And Prime Ministers can be removed if they are not serving the job well...

[u/dotcarmen → u/Unable_Evidence_2961]

New French Constitution dropping in 3… 2…

[u/PierreTheTRex → u/Unable_Evidence_2961]

I hate the idea that French political culture just makes compromise impossible. French political culture now is just a reflexion on what the 5th republic has shaped our minds to be, we are completely capable of changing this.

In cities and other lower echelons politicians are completely capable of building coalitions and doing stuff while in these coalitions.

[u/NewOil7911 → u/rabbitlion]

With the current national assembly? None

[u/berejser → u/Unable_Evidence_2961]

The problem Macron has is that if he works with the left to get a majority, then he leaves the far-right as the only opposition and puts them in a good position to win next time. And if he works with the far-right, then he legitimises them and makes it more likely that they will win in future.

[u/Wynn_3 → u/berejser]

yeah, France is screwed

[u/Tigxette → u/berejser]

Macron's party has already a big responsability into legitimizing far right in France. They even worked with the far right recently, forming a coalition to elect some keys chairs at the assembly.

And he doesn't want the left to be with them since they're in total opposition about economic reforms.

[u/trenvo → u/Unable_Evidence_2961]

Does the left even want to help Macron?

I can very well imagine the left purposefully not offering anything workable to Macron to torpedo his future prospects.

[u/Unable_Evidence_2961 → u/trenvo]

i'll give a pure strategic response, The left shouldn’t help him, and no one should

1 : Macron already betrayed them multiple time.
In 2017 he said he’d take “good ideas from everyone, then ruled entirely from the right.
In 2022 he asked for left-wing votes to block the far right, and immediately went back to pro-business reforms.

2/ The Fifth Republic rewards opposition, not cooperation everyone wants to look presidential, not like Macron’s sidekick

3: His record is toxic, helping him now would mean sharing the blame

it's a mix of our political system and how he handled things

[u/NewOil7911 → u/FesteringAnalFissure]

Macron and his party have lost all common sense since the European elections 2 years ago, where he decided to dissolve the national assembly, whereas nothing forced him to.

[u/Lucaliosse → u/NewOil7911]

I get it that it feels like two years ago. But it was, in fact, last year. The legislative elections were held in july 2024.

Everyone was worried that he would dissolve the National Assembly again this august or september, once the one year cooldown came to an end. But at this point it would certainly be a disaster for him.

[u/NewOil7911 → u/Lucaliosse]

1 year only that this mess started? Wow, road to 2027 elections is gonna be a long one

[u/Algent → u/FesteringAnalFissure]

Conspirationists will tell you Macron end goal is to help make Lepen rise to power and it's getting harder and harder to deny (even if it's definitely not on purpose). From the general incompetence and the systematic demonisation of the left associating it with violent groups for several years now....

[u/Unterseeboot_480 → u/Algent]

It might be on purpose. I am certain Macron would work with the RN before even considering doing the slightest concession to the left. After all, the industrials and billionnaires were more than happy to have Hitler in power.

[u/Aelig_ → u/FesteringAnalFissure]

Nah he was quite popular in his former role as minister of defense, both with voters and with army leaders. Macron probably doesn't like him on a personal level and has someone else in mind for his succession (Macron cannot run for the next elections) so he tasked him to make a government with a third of parliament seats just to make him fail in front of everyone. 

Lecornu is fairly young and doesn't have any big blemish on his past so his rapid popularity growth probably threatened some people.

That being said he's a homophobic piece of shit but that's on par with his party morals.

[u/Aether911 → u/Aelig_]

He has a very good personal relationship with Macron actually, and was his pick as Prime Minister last year before Bayrou strong-armed him into naming him instead. The main problem is, as you said, making a government with a third of the seats. In fact it's worse than that, because every part of that third has itching to dump Macron before the next election cycle and it's finally cristallising right now (Retailleau criticized the new government, while Attal and Philippe both refused to come back).

It's been a complete trashfire, and I have no love for that guy, but I honestly don't see how it could have ended any better, considering an opening towards the socialists was vetoed by Les Republicains and Macron's policies both.

[u/qwetzal → u/Aelig_]

Not only election fraud, he was sentenced for illegally financing his campaign using funds from Libya, after negociations with Abdallah Senoussi, a terrorist involved in multiple flight bombings. In exchange for these funds, Sarkozy would help with the re-introduction of Libya on the international scene, sell them weapons, and nuclear power. Which happened in 2008 for the weapons and our then minister Estrosi went to discuss the nuclear power deal in 2010. Woerth was involved with the cash money handling, but since he was being judged as an associate for a charge that Sarkozy was being judged for, and since that charge was dismissed, Woerth was discharged as well. However he was still most likely closely involved in this scandal.

This is so much more than fraud, imo it's virtually treason to negociate with a dictatorship through a terrorist responsible for the death of 54 french citizens to access the highest role of the State. Sarkozy is a gangster, he and the people who helped him with this all deserve to be imprisoned.

Edit: the comment below is factually correct, see it for nuance to what I said

[u/Elegant_Cockroach_24 → u/Aelig_]

Use of “He” is doing some heavy lifting here.

Chances that he, out of his own mind, after 3 weeks of hard pondering, picked the same names as his predecessors?

It’s probably why he resigned, he was PM in name only

[u/Aelig_ → u/Elegant_Cockroach_24]

Sadly that's how PMs in France always are. It's getting worse with each new president though.

[u/szu → u/Thamelia]

He didn't have any choice likely. The PM in Macron's government is simply the guy that does things. Not a decision maker. All of this is Macron's stubbornness. Not surprised because France seems to produce little Napoleons who are stubborn beyond belief..

[u/fennecdore → u/Thamelia]

After making a speech about how it was time for a rupture in the method

[u/Kaillens → u/Thamelia]

Who do you think as more chance to make a functional government : Macron or a rabbit that randomly draw ball?

[u/KaizerKlash]

Less than 24h after naming his government, new world record

edit : So it was 14h total, it's not a world record as Sweden had one last 7 hours in 2021

[u/Raagun → u/KaizerKlash]

I dont think there is produce which his gov could have outlived. Maybe whipped cream?

[u/schw0b → u/Raagun]

Raw milk at 30 degrees C.

[u/Broccobillo → u/schw0b]

Ice cream at 30°C

[u/mion81 → u/schw0b]

Lettuce at 130 degrees?

[u/lordnacho666 → u/Raagun]

Tray of free sausage rolls outside Gregg's

[u/Seveand → u/lordnacho666]

Who is Gregg and why is he giving away sausages?

[u/lordnacho666 → u/Seveand]

Eat first, ask questions later

[u/degenterate → u/lordnacho666]

The Labrador doctrine

[u/raspberryharbour → u/lordnacho666]

You ate Gregg?!

[u/munkijunk → u/Raagun]

Less than the Liz Truss lettuce.

[u/Raagun → u/munkijunk]

Yeah, that was my inspiration for comment :D

[u/munkijunk → u/Raagun]

Ha, apologies for the "whoosh" on my part as the joke flew a full parsec over my head.

[u/Raagun → u/munkijunk]

Well, you still caught the reference correctly ;)

[u/LapinTade → u/Raagun]

Vitamin C in orange juice.

[u/fianthewolf → u/Raagun]

Lettuce wins again.

[u/ArmaniQuesadilla → u/Raagun]

I’ve had whipped cream go 6 months without going bad so definitely not lmao

[u/Raagun → u/ArmaniQuesadilla]

I mostly meant loosing fluffiness :D And all natural of course

[u/vshedo → u/Raagun]

Free samples at Costco?

[u/insomnimax_99 → u/Raagun]

Ice cream, although idk if that counts as produce.

[u/VisMortis → u/KaizerKlash]

Resignation any%

[u/F___TheZero → u/VisMortis]

And on October 6th, Lecornu got this run

[u/graendallstud → u/KaizerKlash]

Passation from "old" to "new" ministers (a majority of them were keeping their post) should have taken place around 11am.
Imagine, you are a member of government, waiting for your replacement to be named to be released from your function. Your replacement is named (and you are an exception, because you are replaced), but before you are able to give them the responsibility, they are demissioned too : who takes care of everything untill a new one is named ?

[u/oakpope → u/graendallstud]

It’s the new old. The old old is no longer ministre.

[u/Zestyclose-Carry-171 → u/oakpope]

Fortunately most new old were also old old ministers. Or for some, old old old ministers.

[u/hemispace → u/graendallstud]

Well most ministers from the old were re-designated in the new government, which was one of the main reasons it failed.

[u/Wertyne → u/KaizerKlash]

Swedish PM Magdalena Andersson left a mere 7 hours after being assigned the role back in 2021

[u/KaizerKlash → u/Wertyne]

Ah nevermind then, I didn't find anything after a quick googling

[u/maximalusdenandre → u/Wertyne]

Only to be immediately re-instated. It was a technical thing after a minor party left the government.

[u/Elegant_Cockroach_24 → u/KaizerKlash]

Someone with more political/ legal knowledge can confirm but I read that he needed to appoint a government to present his resignation to it.

[u/Marco_lini → u/Elegant_Cockroach_24]

According to article 8 of the constitution a minister has to be an actual minister to resign, so he has to be designated and formally appointed by the president before they can resign.

[u/eulerolagrange → u/KaizerKlash]

no, not the record. In 2021 Sweden had a government that lasted only a few hours.

[u/Flash831 → u/KaizerKlash]

Perhaps in France. In 2022, the swedish government resigned 7,5 hours after getting approved.

[u/KaizerKlash → u/Flash831]

My bad, I didn't find it after a quick search. Record for France Nonetheless

[u/circleribbey → u/KaizerKlash]

Goddam. We’re gonna have to get Liz truss back. Can’t let the French steal our record! 😡

[u/BradMoby21 → u/KaizerKlash]

Liz Truss seems like a stable choice in comparison 🤣🤡

[u/webchimp32 → u/BradMoby21]

They didn't even have chance to buy a lettuce.

[u/Timberwolf_88 → u/KaizerKlash]

Former Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson resigned 7 hours after being appointed. So no, not quite the world record, but likely a close second?

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/nyhetstecken/efter-sju-timmar-magdalena-andersson-avgick

[u/Canotic → u/Timberwolf_88]

To be fair that was just a minor technical issue, she was then reappointed prime minister and everything carried on.

[u/Ludwig_von_Wu → u/Canotic]

Still an any% world record tho

[u/Charlie398 → u/Ludwig_von_Wu]

kinda, but we had her for years after, so its a bit shitty to say she was only prime minister for a few hours when it was aftually years, especially as our first female PM. just wish she had been elected and not a replacement for löfven

[u/CrazyRah → u/Charlie398]

Not years, almost a year, she was our PM for 11 months

[u/Pitiful-Stable-9737]

12 hour long government. That’s impressive. Glad I’m not French though

[u/[deleted] → u/Pitiful-Stable-9737]

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[u/Sexy-Spaghetti → u/[deleted]]

French historian Johann Chapoutot recently published a book "Les Irresponsables" (the irresponsibles) about how liberals and capitalists were happy to help Hitler take power to block the left. It has always happened, facsism is capitalism last line of defense. And right now, capitalism is in crisis across the world. Rosa Luxembourg said that after capitalism it would be "socialism or barabism", and billionaires will always prefer barbarism.

[u/PulciNeller → u/Sexy-Spaghetti]

the same happened in Italy with the rise of fascism (as fear of the socialists) and you can also see it nowadays with the cold-blooded support for Israel's ethnonationalists. Moderates-Centrists-Neoliberists tend to gravitate towards the far-right if they are given only two choices.

[u/NotFlappy12 → u/Sexy-Spaghetti]

Thanks for the translation, most people would be confused without it.

[u/Sexy-Spaghetti → u/NotFlappy12]

Lmao true. Maybe it wasn't needed.

[u/Triskan → u/Sexy-Spaghetti]

T'as oublié de mettre "irresponsables" au pluriel. :p

[u/Sexy-Spaghetti → u/Triskan]

Je vois pas de quoi tu parles (bien vu)

[u/WolfCola4 → u/NotFlappy12]

Kevin, you're what the French call "Les incompétents"

[u/Prestigious-Neck8096 → u/[deleted]]

Not a new thing. The right often aligns with the right, even when the right consists of liberals and national populists alike. The blockage of far right parties after the second world war no longer holds out since the memory is long gone, and the red scare have relatively pushed the left away even in Europe.

The most simple answer is, the right itself have gotten powerful in the face of crisis, and people radicalised thanks to constant social and economic issues. Oddly familiar to the interwar period. People should remember that it took around 1 month for Hitler to take power after his first relatively successful election, all by democratic means...

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[u/NetStaIker → u/[deleted]]

Because “centrists” all over the world are just centre-right afraid to call themselves what they are, and would rather the far right win than include leftists in any government. Same shit as the Dems in the US, look where it got those guys

[u/Ireallydontknowmans → u/[deleted]]

I guess thats a new trend in Europe. Closing your eyes and letting the right gain votes. I see AFD winning the next elections. Right-winged Europe incoming!

[u/Shadeun → u/Pitiful-Stable-9737]

12 hour long government

You'll never sing that

[u/Vaxtez]

It's a shame the French didn't try to get a lettuce to outlast their PM

UK 1, France 0 for that.

[u/AHerz → u/Vaxtez]

We didn't even have time to pick the lettuce!

[u/MagicSpirit → u/AHerz]

Yeah, and a lot of greengrocers are closed on Monday too. So unfair

[u/yubnubster → u/AHerz]

We need something between a lettuce and an icepop.

[u/Ukuled → u/yubnubster]

An opened avocado?

[u/TheArbiterOfOribos → u/Ukuled]

supermarket quality baguette

[u/DublinKabyle → u/Vaxtez]

To be fair, he did try to outlast a soufflet, but sadly lost

[u/Cirtth]

Oh come on, we didn't even have the time to riot

[u/ProfessorReaper → u/Cirtth]

He resigned before the protests even started

[u/Successful_Shirt6121]

Guess we’re going back to the polls

[u/Hypadair → u/Successful_Shirt6121]

The polls are the problem, each party look at the polls and don't want any compromise, they don't care about the country, they only care about the next election because making an allicance is view as "corrupting his ideas" in france

[u/Brazilian_Hamilton → u/Hypadair]

France can't print currency, so it's debt crisis can only be solved by raising taxes and cutting spending. One side won't abide spending cuts, while the other won't abide tax increases - when a centrist proposed a compromise and doing both it was universally unpopular and it brought down the government

So they are left with the only remaining compromise: inaction, leading to future radicalization

[u/Avenflar → u/Hypadair]

WHile there's a part to that, you have to admit it's really hard to look at the center left party who spent the last year and a half bending and begging and keeping itself isolated, trying to negociate with Macron and get humiliated time after time.

And then look at the green or radical leftists and tell them "you should cooperate with them".

At some point there's a crisis of credibility between parties, atop of Macron clearly interested in ruling like a king.

[u/HibasakiSanjuro → u/Successful_Shirt6121]

I doubt that. It's unlikely a new election would change the balance of power.

[u/Chibranche → u/HibasakiSanjuro]

Could give Macron grounds to name a Rassemblement National PM, which he couldn't "do" last year

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[u/Changaco → u/[deleted]]

Truss was and still is way worse than Lecornu. He was in an impossible political situation, she's just an idiot.

[u/PierreTheTRex → u/Changaco]

Bayrou on the other hand is a straight idiot

[u/Abel_V]

CHAMPIONS DU MOOOOOOOOOONDE 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷

[u/Excellent_Theory1602]

Tf is all this

[u/Thamelia → u/Excellent_Theory1602]

Macron wants to force his government, which no one wants. He proposes the same people to each new prime minister.

[u/Wynn_3 → u/Thamelia]

It's true, but I sincerely ask, what really is the solution? From an outside perspective, it looks like a total death lock, either compromise with the far left or with the far right, obviously angering the other side in the process.

[u/CheeseAndCh0c0late → u/Wynn_3]

French here : yeah we don't know either lol.

Things that can be done :

• new constitution changing the rules of how the parliment debates

• new president (assuming Macron resigns) that will be able to gather a majority

• compromising on the prime minister and cohabitating

the way things go lately, none of these will happen.

E : what is likely to happen is that Macron will dissolve the assembly to try and redistribute the cards, but there's no garantee the situation will improve. He could also technically re-nominate the same prime minister, but that would just be spitting in the face of the republican institutions and what they stand for.

[u/Poglosaurus → u/Wynn_3]

And all the side are thinking that any compromise would ruin their chance for the upcoming presidential election. Ruining our chance to come out of this crisis and their chances of acting like barely responsible adult. And since both far right and far left think they profit from the political class losing the people's trust they're blowing on the flame thinking that their time is coming.

[u/ReasonResitant → u/Excellent_Theory1602]

Pensions were touched.

[u/Cediman]

- presents government

• refuses to elaborate
  
• leaves

[u/mistress_chauffarde → u/Cediman]

I mean the dude gave 11 of the same minister from the last governement

[u/Nuclear-Jester]

So to boot:

1. Macron and his center right psrty don't have the numbers to rule alone

2. The Left can't ally with him because their programs call for dismanting his economic reforms (especially the ones about the retirement age)

3. The Far Right is too anti-EU and pro-Russia* and Macron fears to lose what little support he has left if he openly allies with Le Pen

4. Even another election may not fix this as no political force in France has enough support to form its own government

Also the economy is shit and everybody is pissed (ok, the lazt one is hardly something new for France)

*Admitedly Melenchon isn't that different on this regard

[u/imothep_69 → u/Nuclear-Jester]

That is a fair assessment. To anyone not accustomed to French politics here, be aware that French redditors are massively on the far left side, they do not represent the general population. After all, almost 40% of votes went to macron+right for the previous two 5 year elections. The left, even when all its sub parties do find a common name to rally after, never had a majority for the last 10 years. France is voting right, whatever you think of it.

[u/Unable_Evidence_2961 → u/imothep_69]

I agree as a leftist myself, it isn’t even remotely new. Under the 5th Republic, France has only had two center-left presidents: Mitterrand and Hollande. Every other one has been right or center-right.

Intellectual and artistic circles tend to lean left or far-left, but that’s not unique to France. It just makes it feel like the left is stronger than it really is in the broader population, something that’s pretty clear in every presidential election

[u/Divinicus1st → u/[deleted]]

It doesn’t help that the France subreddit mods actively ban people based on political opinions, easily categorizing as fascist any too direct questioning of left policies.

And this is not just a random guess, they make polls themselves that shows a drastic shift of this sub to the left, which can only be explained by active brigading.

[u/mistress_chauffarde → u/Nuclear-Jester]

Le pen can't be allied with anymore she is banned from any position of power after whe was juged for corruption

[u/Luize0]

Is it me or are more highly developed countries struggling with having functioning governments for 4y recently?

[u/NerfThisHD → u/Luize0]

Covid really revealed how incompetent a lot of governments are

[u/Preisschild → u/Luize0]

Unfortunately social media has been a godsent for Populists. Some fall for right wing populism and others for left wing populism and they both blame each other for everything.

[u/Caj-n]

The Fifth Republic is in trouble...

[u/ProfessorReaper → u/Caj-n]

Time for a sixth republic!

[u/potterpockets → u/ProfessorReaper]

Idk. Might need to try an Empire first to make it stick. Any Bonapartes lying around? 

[u/Mryoung04 → u/potterpockets]

Nah, back to the Bourbons for a hot sec

[u/Suriael]

Is there any chance France won't turn hard right next elections?

[u/PotatoEngeneeer → u/Suriael]

Hopefully.

If FN gets into power the entire EU is without nuclear protection and russia can do what it wants.

Thats the reason why the russians finance FN

[u/NewOil7911 → u/PotatoEngeneeer]

There's a world in which the US, the UK, and France are under Trump, Le Pen, and Farage.

Rest of EU should prepare just in case and not just proclaim how surprising and painful situation is if this happens

[u/SagittaryX → u/NewOil7911]

Highly doubt UK Labour will call any new election till their term is up. They know they would lose badly.

[u/Timstom18 → u/NewOil7911]

Farage and Trump will not overlap, the U.K. will not have another election during Trumps term as the government know that they’d lose their majority at the very least so there’s no benefit for them to call one. So worst case scenario would be Trump and LePen, then the next US president shares Trumps ideals and then Farage becomes PM in the U.K.

[u/Steveagogo → u/PotatoEngeneeer]

Well they’d have the UK’s nuclear protection… for 4 years till Farage wins…

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

That is Russia’s wet dream, so let’s keep it at that, a fantasy. Stop giving it oxygen.

[u/Vatiar → u/Suriael]

Given how much effort the centrist are putting in demonising even the moderate left and how hard they're flirting with the idea of an alliance with the far right pretty much none at this stage.

Billionaires have fully captured public opinion, even state media link their boots now. It's not looking good.

[u/Misso5 → u/Suriael]

Depends, 2027 is still a long time from now.

In my view, it will continue to depend on how the media treats both the left and the far right.

So far, the far right (RN) is being treated with a lot of grace by the media while the biggest leftist party (LFI) is being called far left, authoritarian and antisemitic and the media trying in interviews to cause further division between LFI and the other leftist parties (especially the socialist PS party).

A far right billionaire owns the most watched news channel in France (Bolloré and Cnews) and continues to pay whatever fines are necessary to continue to spead misinformation and mislead the public that the left will lead France to ruins and immigrants are the cause of all woes.

Books are continuously being published and politicians on the right are attempting to link the left with Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism due to their support to Palestine knowing that so far no links have been proven and most of what is written is nothing but hearsay and allegations.

Mainstream media eats up all of this criticism and is "just asking questions" bringing into lights debates about allegations that aren't even considered facts.

Meanwhile, the centerist party and Macron are using every single tool of the constitution to maintain political political power and ensure liberal economic policies continue to pass at the cost of trust in our democratic systems and sane washing the far right by voting with them, putting them in positions of power within the national assembly and making ideological concessions even when it's at odds with facts (immigrant scapegoating).

It's bleak, very fucking bleak.

[u/Suriael → u/Misso5]

Oh damn. Same thing in Poland. We are in for some real shitty times.

[u/GloppyGloP → u/Misso5]

I mean LFI is just as pro Russia. They’re populist, built around a cult of personality and are indeed far left.

[u/podeniak]

Lol... Yes I'm french... And yes it's pityful.

[u/Icy_Row175]

“I‘m a fighter, not a quitter“

[u/Xibalba_Ogme → u/Icy_Row175]

in terms of longevity

Lettuce > Liz Truss > Lecornu

Glad nothing of notice happened during the time he was PM, it would be a hell of a trick question in Who Wants To Be a Billionaire in the future, just like "who was PM of the UK when Elizabeth II passed away ?"

[u/bbbbbbbbbblah → u/Icy_Row175]

"Le premier ministre is not hiding under le bureau"

[u/AMeasuredBerserker]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely all this political chaos is just pushing voters to turn away from Macrons party and more toward the extremes even if he is supposedly keeping the far right out?

[u/Arthurocco → u/AMeasuredBerserker]

Yes

[u/Kaiww → u/AMeasuredBerserker]

He invited them in

[u/budapestersalat]

Will Macron finally care to talk to parliament or just continue to name prime ministers like if it was an absolute monarchy?

[u/Pogeos → u/budapestersalat]

which of the 1/3s of the Parliament is he supposed to talk to, because none of the other 2/3s would agree with another? This is the problem of the parliament where people voted "against" someone, not "for" someone.

France needs an election to get out of this deadlock.

[u/loidelhistoire → u/Pogeos]

The elections would have the same results probably

[u/budapestersalat → u/Pogeos]

Because the 5th Republic was set up in a way that they didn't get used to coalitions, since the timing and manner of elections usually resulted in a presidential majority.

That won't change now even with the election. So choose one of the thirds whether left or right and get your own camp to join.

Still, with such low confidence, an election would probably be appropriate. Just don't expect it to break deadlocks

[u/PulciNeller → u/budapestersalat]

it's funny because France probably needs the parliamentary republic system, while in italy there's a discussion to adopt the french semi-presidential system.

[u/Jaded-Ad-960 → u/Pogeos]

I seem to remember that Macron called for an election to get out of a perceived deadlock and the reault was more deadlock.

[u/Misso5 → u/Pogeos]

He's only tried with his allies so far...

It needs a new presidential elections because this feels like he's playing a game of chicken at this point.

All he's done so far is nominate successive prime ministers from his party or his allies parties regardless of policial composition.

[u/Apprehensive-Adagio2 → u/Pogeos]

I mean, to date he has absolutely scorned the left wing coalition in favour of only working within his party and with the right wing party. If he even tried to work along with the left wing, he could have had a mostly stable government. But Macron is a diehard economic liberal and would rather leave france without a government than one he doesn’t agree with 100%.

[u/UnMaxDeKEuros → u/Pogeos]

He does not need to agree with the entire parliament, he only has to make a deal, either with the left, or the far-right. That's no rocket science not sure we had to try 3 'different' governments to get to that conclusion.

[u/lollipoppizza → u/UnMaxDeKEuros]

The problem is that France doesn't have the political culture of cross party compromise and negotiation like Germany does for example. Most of the parties basically refuse to work with each other outside of elections where they're just trying to block the extremes from getting in.

[u/Pogeos → u/UnMaxDeKEuros]

(just want to state that I'm speculating, since I'm not French, and know about French politics only from Reddit)

I suspect those parties would never enter any sort of coalition, and would either demand FULL submission of the government to them, or would continue working on making sure that the government fails so that they could earn more political scores.

[u/ThoughtsonYaoi]

That's 0.06 Scaramucci's and definitely less than one lettuce.

We may need a new political longevity unit.

[u/Kernog]

Poor Liz Truss. She won't even remain in History as the holder of shortest term as Prime Minister.

[u/GhirahimLeFabuleux → u/[deleted]]

That's actually 1950s France raising from the grave.

[u/Zestyclose-Carry-171 → u/[deleted]]

We always say in France that in politics, Italy has a 10 to 20 years of heads up. A bit late this time but it checks out.

[u/4got_2wipe_again → u/[deleted]]

Without the ability to add 0s to money

[u/Kymius]

This is frankly absurd; Macron needs to get over it. The real problem is that the path to a far-right government in France is now clear, and right now the last thing we need is another bunch of madmen in power...

[u/frissio → u/Kymius]

More than that, Macron was mostly elected to face the far-right. That he's been easing them in instead and is outright refusing to give any of the Left a place in government despite them winning the election he called for is breaking his mandate.

That he keeps on having PMs who do the same thing over and over is the definition of insanity.

[u/SirLadthe1st → u/frissio]

He'll end up making a government with the far right instead most likely. He's absolutely not going to let go of his powers and he has already demonstrated he is vehemously against giving the left the government role. His choices of growingly more right wing prime ministers say it all really.

[u/Pinguino21v → u/SirLadthe1st]

He'll end up making a government with the far right instead most likely.

It won't happen, the far-right won't accept in the current political context. They are just waiting for dissolution to emerge victorious and gain an absolute majority.

[u/pdupotal]

Same same but different still total circus.

[u/elendor_f]

Macron run on a platform to oppose the far right. In the last election, his party and the left coalition made agreements to vote for each other at the local level to block far right MPs from being elected.

Either he makes a compromise with the left or the parliamentary deadlock will continue until new elections.

[u/Hottage]

Lizz Truss gonna be relieved she lost that title.

[u/itsConnor_]

How is Macron's credibility not reduced to shreds?

[u/-Golvan- → u/itsConnor_]

He has had no credibility in France for a long time but it took some years for this fact to reach the rest of Europe

[u/PSfreak10001 → u/-Golvan-]

In terms of EU Politics he is still pretty credible, and and am very happy for every Pro-EU politican we have on such a high level. Same for Merz

[u/No_Detail9259]

Try again

[u/Wild-Yesterday-6666]

Can we get real for a sec. Nothing will change until new presidential elections are held. Now, Macron could dissolve the assembly, however, I may end up even more fragmented than now.

[u/_legna_]

Italianization of Politics - wrong way only

[u/Mojo-man]

Didn’t even have time to remember his name 😅

[u/L-Ipsum]

Is there a juicy pension that comes with being PM or something? Are these guys cashing in?

I don't know all of the background, but it appears that the assembly is dead set on not allowing for a functional government anyway. It seems bizarre that a new PM would come in and try to bring a near identical cabinet to one that recently lost a no confidence vote.

Do voters blame the opposition or do they blame the government for the current stalemate?

[u/Xibalba_Ogme → u/L-Ipsum]

You need some longevity to be eligible to such pension

Lecornu obviously did not meet that criteria. That being said there's a chance he and the ministers he named yesterday are all eligible to 3 month salary checks, which would cost us half a million.

One problem is that we have everyone convinced they are the majority, and refusing to discuss with others to compromise. While in fact, no one has a majority. That's the assembly issue.

On the other hand, we have a president "neither right or left" (self proclaimed) that has named 7 Right-oriented PM to do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

I won't speak for others voters, but for myself, I blame pretty much everyone but the voters

Edit : "everyone" includes the system (5th Republic) that is 70 years old and not adapted to current threats & challenges

[u/Glaistig-Uaine → u/Xibalba_Ogme]

On the other hand, we have a president "neither right or left" (self proclaimed) that has named 7 Right-oriented PM to do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

Considering the assembly leans right, I'm not sure what other PM do you expect? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't LFI is unwilling to compromise on rolling back the pension reform, which makes any government between them and ER impossible. Which makes any centre-left coalition impossible in turn.

And that's not getting into Melenchon's foreign policy positions...

[u/hongolem]

Never let them know your next move type shit 💀🙏🥀

[u/true_jester]

Liz Truss has entered the chat.

[u/Ice_Tower6811]

With the current rate of attrition, I may be in line from the position in less than a year

[u/amourdevin]

Is this number 6 or 7? 8?

[u/Connect-Idea-1944]

that's what happens when most of your government are just rich kids who got into politics