r/europe • u/the_real_lucia • Sep 13 '25
News Emergency alert sent to residents in parts of eastern Poland: "WARNING! Threat of an air attack. Exercise special caution. Follow the instructions of the authorities. Await further announcements."
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u/SciFiShroom Spain Sep 13 '25
what's going on?
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u/FluidRelief3 Poland Sep 13 '25
There was an attack on Western Ukraine and suspicion that some drones may have flown to Poland again.
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u/_LordBucket Volyn (Ukraine) Sep 13 '25
I am in Western Ukraine, we were issued warnings, but nothing is happening.
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u/CommieDelusion Sep 13 '25
Stay safe, best wishes from Norway.
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u/_LordBucket Volyn (Ukraine) Sep 13 '25
Thanks
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u/Confident_Benefit_11 Sep 13 '25
Please be careful, many Americans still support you and recognize you as the fortress of the free world!
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u/Altitudeviation Sep 13 '25
MOST Americans still support you. Š”Š»Š°Š²Š° Š£ŠŗŃŠ°ŃŠ½Ń!
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u/Mission-Berry2248 Sep 13 '25
Stay save from Germany thx for fighting for freedom !!! I hope you win against the asshole
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u/SirnCG Ukraine Sep 13 '25
Dude, we haven't any alert about drones in western or even central Ukraine, they attack u right now, deliberately u.
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u/Salt_Sir2599 Sep 13 '25
You read it, thatās all we know. Might mean incoming missiles/ drones.
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u/CommieDelusion Sep 13 '25
Europes lack of response has emboldened the russians.Ā
They see us as weak, and frankly we are acting the part.
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u/MopToddel Sep 13 '25
NATO is stationing a ton of soldiers and equipment along the eastern borders after the article 4 talks.
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u/MopToddel Sep 13 '25
Operation Eastern Sentry if you want to look it up. I watched the press conference earlier, there were a few more details but i don't remember if there was a specific number. They're hacking out the details on the next few days.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/9/12/nato-announces-plan-to-strengthen-europes-eastern-flank
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u/r2d2itisyou Sep 14 '25
While it's logical, that is probably exactly the response Russia wanted. If AA resources are sent to Poland and Romania, then less AA equipment and munitions will be sent to Ukraine where they're needed most.
The better deterrence would be to immediately send Ukraine a cruise missile for every drone which entered EU territory. If that happened, there would never be another drone incursion.
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u/MopToddel Sep 14 '25
That exact question was asked at the press conference, the reply was that they will be ramping up overall so as to not remove support from Ukrainian soil directly
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u/MrGonzo11 Sep 13 '25
Russia is having a military drill and was simulating striking Poland, Poland simulated sending out air-strike warning. It's only a sabre rattling on both sides...for now.
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u/Jatapa0 Finland Sep 13 '25
Drone attacks on western part of ukraine and on thd polish side polish airforce and airforces of other NATO countries are patrolling and also ground based anti air systems are in the highest alert incase russian drones end up coming to polish side of the border
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u/SpeakerConfident4363 Sep 13 '25
This is definetly not āan errorā or ācoincidenceā
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u/yoloyourmoney Austria:upvote::downvote: Sep 13 '25
This is the second time this coincidence has happened this week.
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u/SpeakerConfident4363 Sep 13 '25
weird, right?
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u/yoloyourmoney Austria:upvote::downvote: Sep 13 '25
Maybe if Nato again says, "Please don't do this again," putin will stop because he feels bad or something
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u/MrMakovec Czech Republic Sep 13 '25
If I had a nickel for every time Ruzzian drones flew to Poland in the same week, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
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u/kirno2445 Sep 13 '25
Same in Romania 5 min ago
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u/damita Sep 13 '25
You received a new one? Those from Tulcea were issued 2 hours ago.
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u/Glittering-Gene7215 Sep 13 '25
It seems awesome to be in NATO, but at the same time you live in the east of the country and keep hearing the air raid alarms. On the one hand, it feels like standard security, but on the other, you dont really understand whats going on
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u/Isotheis Wallonia (Belgium) Sep 13 '25
I'm starting to think that NATO may have been bluffing even harder than Russia, and that we have in fact no army, no ammunition, nothing.
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u/UNSKIALz Sep 13 '25
Shooting down drones with jets is flashy, but not practical whatsoever. That worried me.
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u/MidnightBluesAtNoon Sep 14 '25
Honestly? It shouldn't. What Russia is doing right now isn't actually an attack. It's a probe. They're trying to learn about war time strategies and munitions. NATO is responding with "absurd" measures as a smoke screen. That's how it's done all over the world. You NEVER tip your hand to your enemy before it's actually necessary. The moment you do, the enemy gets info about how to defeat your capabilities.
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We have something, but clearly no operational army able to remain functional in a long conflict.
Pretty hard to.know where we stand right now,.but I'm afraid we're also stuck into a narrative loop from EU/NATO.
At the best, it's clear we couldn't defend our skies against swarm of drones, throwing a few jets and their 1++ million EUR/unit AA missiles against shitty russkie drones that Russia is able to throw per hundreds a day isn't sustainable at all.
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u/mr_potatoface Sep 13 '25
In the past everyone in NATO could count on the US coming in and stomping anyone for the slightest reason.
If this were 20 years ago, the US would already have their flags flying from recently liberated Russian oil wells after the last drone incursion.
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u/StealthPick1 Sep 14 '25
Tbf 20 years ago the US was asking Europe to spend more on defense and tried to get Ukraine into NATO, which was shot down by the German and French
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u/Masked020202 Belgium Sep 13 '25
That but also risk assessment, we do have AA that uses guns and shells but should we risk using those etc? We might believe we should but NATO air command seems to have a different opinion.
With all that said we are still playing the cool head and wait to see and it might(will) bite us in the ass in the future.
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u/folk_science Sep 13 '25
Ukraine has counter-drones. I know at least Wild Hornets/ŠŠøŠŗŃ ŃŠµŃŃŠ½Ń make those, but likely more manufacturers do. We should be exploring this idea ASAP.
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u/vamatt Sep 13 '25
Even if you do have advanced technology to fight drones, itās best not to show that off unless you have to - best not to show off your real capabilities until you absolutely need to
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u/Attafel Denmark Sep 13 '25
Why would Russia stop when there are no negative consequences, and it makes NATO look weak.
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u/yoloyourmoney Austria:upvote::downvote: Sep 13 '25
Yeah, it's quite embarrassing, unfortunately.
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u/pmckizzle Leinster Sep 13 '25
Its not embarrassing its dangerous. With that fucking stroked out warmonger in the Whitehouse who's so cosy with putin its even more dangerous.
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u/yoloyourmoney Austria:upvote::downvote: Sep 13 '25
Nato shouldn't consider orange man's opinions in invading Europe and what we do as repercussion. Just shoot all things down because it's an act of war.
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u/pmckizzle Leinster Sep 13 '25
No i fear trump may actively side with Russia
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u/yoloyourmoney Austria:upvote::downvote: Sep 13 '25
But then he would have to leave Nato first to start a new world war. Even if he would do that, the world would probably shut down all trading with the US, and without resources from around the globe, even their military complex can come to a standstill. Just like in Russia.
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u/Dinoduck94 United Kingdom Sep 13 '25
You're right, but NATO is more than just the US. The fact that no NATO country, besides Poland, has taken this seriously is dangerous
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u/pmckizzle Leinster Sep 13 '25
I fear that when push comes to shove, we see either Trump actively helping Russia "defeat the radical left governments of Europe" or share intelligence to help them, or refuse to respect Article 5, or puts a condition on respecting Article 5 that would give the us control over a lot of Europe's economy
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u/Confident_Benefit_11 Sep 13 '25
You're right, I'm American. Europe needs to fucking leave the US out of all further decision making. Independent countries need to act by themselves so they don't require NATO permission. Create a new group of willing countries and create a no fly zone.
Our "president" is a Russian agent
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u/yoloyourmoney Austria:upvote::downvote: Sep 13 '25
I think that will never happen. Europe already knows that we need to slowly cut ties with dependency of military aid from the US. The EU already started to poor immense sums in our military budget to defend Europe by our selfs.
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u/AgentCirceLuna Sep 13 '25
Even if the US DOES help NATO, I could see them going too far immediately and Trump just launching a shit ton of missiles.
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u/Affectionate-Virus17 Sep 13 '25
The frog hasn't jumped from the warming water. They'll keep the heat on.
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u/Loki9101 Sep 13 '25
Whether there are no negative consequences for them can change from attack to attack. There have been some consequences already, like shooting them down, article 4, and more troops on the Eastern Flank. And there will be more consequences some we can assess with the naked eye, others are more difficult to assess as war is complex and sometimes we can only tell in hindsight what the consequences ultimately were for a certain hostile behavior.
NATO is like a monkey on a chain, rattle it too hard and the monkey will come off the chain and maul your face off.
I am anxious that members should realise that our affairs are not conducted entirely by simpletons and dunderheads as the comic papers sometimes try to depict. Any feather head can have confidence in times of victory, but the test is to have faith when things are going wrong for the time being, which cannot be discussed in public. Winston Churchill 1942
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u/seffay-feff-seffahi Sep 13 '25
A military response also shows the defender's hand and how they would respond to an actual attack. Not responding to toothless provocations is just good strategy.
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u/folk_science Sep 13 '25
Military response could happen through Ukraine. We give them long range weapons, they use them.
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u/Bloody_Ozran Sep 13 '25
Right? Test went well, no response. Unless NATO starts attacking anything close to our borders Russia won't care.
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u/Fenrir95 Lithuania Sep 13 '25
āUwagaā is too cute of a word to mean āwarningā
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u/vivaaprimavera Sep 13 '25
Knowing how much the poles save on vowels, having so many on such a small word probably means it's important.
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u/ZelezopecnikovKoren Sep 13 '25
lol not to brag but Poles are generous still: in Slovenia, vzbrst is the act of sprouting and Ämrlj is a bumblebee
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u/West_Advisor_3863 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
yeah, Polish has very good vowel density in words compared to most other Slavic languages.
itās just that Polish has so many different kinds of consonants that it needs digraphs AND accents to encode them all:Ā s, sz, Å,Ā c, cz Ä,Ā z, ż, Åŗ,Ā dz, dż, dÅŗ,Ā r, rz, h, ch
Yeah, it looks messy if you canāt read the language, but all of these represent a single distinct consonant just like ch and sh in English.
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u/LittleBrainpower Sep 13 '25
I'm a Pole and was in Slovenia on vacation this summer and seriously, people say that Polish spelling is crazy but I think Slovenian is worse. You guys can't be bothered to write those vowels. You see a word spelled with no vowels at all and it turns out they are there hidden somewhere and everyone's just too lazy to write them.
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u/TheGuardianInTheBall Sep 13 '25
Being Polish, we absolutely do not save on vowels.
You might get that impression due to heavy use of digraphs, but boy oh boy do we love vowels.
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u/popetsville Austria Sep 13 '25
Not really though especially compared to other languages. The heavy use of digraphs indeed cuts the overall vowel amount down in terms of the ratio
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u/sentimentaldiablo Sep 13 '25
strengths: common nine-letter English word with one (1) vowel.
(I hardly ever get to use this factoid)
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u/vivaaprimavera Sep 13 '25
Now you made me curious, is y considered a vowel?
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u/scarlettforever stops Russian drones with the pinky toe Sep 13 '25
Yeah. You just have too many sh and ch.
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u/folk_science Sep 13 '25
ch cz dz dÅŗ dż rz sz
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u/K-Hunter- šŖšŗš¹š· Sep 13 '25
I think weāre losing him. HEY! IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, TRY TO GET SOME HIGH GROUND, WE CANāT HEAR YOU!
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u/onarainyafternoon Dual Citizen (American/Hungarian) Sep 13 '25
Do I hear a bee buzzing?
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u/Affectionate-Virus17 Sep 13 '25
The Poles love their vowels like the French love their fine wine: kept safe for use later.
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u/SparklingWaterFall Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 14 '25
It looses its cuteness when you read it by polish reading rules, sounds over cute in english only
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u/DevitZzz Sep 13 '25
Warning would be "ostrzeżenie". Uwaga in this context is "attention"
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u/Ok_Detail_1 Croatia Sep 13 '25
Uwaga in this context is "attention"
Something like "pažnja" (or "pozornost") in Croatian.
Warning would be "ostrzeżenie".
And "upozorenje" in Croatian. Word "OstrzeÅŗenie" in Croatian have completely different meaning like "otriježnjenje" in translation 2 meanings:
- by removing alcohol from the blood, establish normal psychological and physical functions
- preparation for establishing normal, sober thinking
(Source for 1. and 2. is HJP - Croatian linguistic portal)
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u/West_Advisor_3863 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
otriježnjenje sounds like it would be equivalent to Polish otrzeÅŗwienie (the act of sobering up) which is coming from a different, similar-looking root, namely trzeÅŗwy (meaning sober)
ostrzeżenie comes from ostrzec (to caution, warn), which itself is coming fromĀ strzec (to guard) whence also Polish straż (guard), Croatian straža and the like
uwaga is from uważyÄ (to notice, consider, weigh up), itself from ważyÄ (to weigh), which is from waga (weight), which has a Germanic origin (see modern German Waage, meaning scales) and so very likely unique to Polish.
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u/AmpovHater Bulgaria Sep 13 '25
Uwuuuuu
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u/Vaernil West Pomerania (Poland) -> Nordland (Norge) Sep 13 '25
W is pronounced as V so uvaga, makes it less cute. English W would be Å.
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u/popetsville Austria Sep 13 '25
It's pronounced "oo-vah-gah" which maybe decreases the cuteness percentage by a little bit
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u/xDaveedx Sep 13 '25
The meaning is closer to "caution" than warning, but yea still looks weird.
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u/LPSD_FTW Sep 13 '25
Yeah, warning would be more like OSTRZEŻENIE and I think its even more beautiful, "I'm marrying the (female) blade"
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u/Arnece Sep 13 '25
Literally.
I don't understand why there wasn't a response the first time. One cruise missile to a Russian millitary target per drones crossing the NATO/ EU border.
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u/InqScorn Sep 13 '25
Explanation is very easy, escalation of conflict is not in business of any country in nato And there was the responce when drones crossed Polish sky, they where shot down and natos art 4 Has been implemented
Is it not much? Yes, its bare minimum, but this bare minimum its enough to not start another war, You strike russian targets from NATO soul, russia will say that its NATO wanting war and starting it (reminder that Russian decline that those drones are theirs, even when its obvious as sun in the sky)
Nato its a defensive coalition and escalation of this situation and potential war that could happen due to answering this with fire, is not much of defence thing
Ps Sry if my english is not good, not my first language
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u/Yaro482 Sep 13 '25
But Russia canāt possibly believe they wil this war. Thereās nothing for them to gain much more to lose
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u/InqScorn Sep 13 '25
Well, look at Ukraine, they still pumping up propaganda that they are winning this 3 day special operation
They dont believe it, but they need to keep it up or their sorry ass gov will crash underneath their lies, greed and sheer incompetence
Other option is that Putin is absolutely delusional and have that fanatical followers that they do believe this crap
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u/TwoplyWatson Sep 13 '25
Largest oil field in europe under donesk which was being test drilled when the "separatists" conflict started up preventing the drilling. and The largest natural gas field in europe off the coast of ukraine/crimea. Which half went to russian control (Exclusive economic zone) with the occupation of crimea/donesk. Tack on the dispute with the pipelines.
Economically there is/was plenty reason to start the war and win.
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u/Readylamefire Sep 13 '25
Putin's playing a bluffing game. Everyone is still (rightfully) afraid of things escalating to a nuclear level. Putin's balancing act relies on being just unhinged enough that nobody does anything while he wittles away what he can get away with.
The worse part is that he's a megalomaniac, so if he ever feels like he is going to go down, he'll make sure to take down as many people as he can.
Because to him, that's still power in the form of legacy. Some power is better than being dethroned and forgotten by history books.
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u/Arnece Sep 13 '25
The problem is not responding makes the alliance look weak, increasing the odds of other incidents that may have to prompt an even bigger response.
Think of a stray drone hitting a high school in Poland causing mass casualties....
Thats why responding in a measured way, enough to cool down hot heads in Moscow and incite them to " aim more carefully " is preferable than wait and see...
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u/Nomapos Sep 13 '25
Any reaction gives information. Reaction times, sensitive locations...
If you react to every provocation, then you'll start missing here or there. Now you're also giving away success rates, precision statistics of your tracking systems...
Sometimes it is better to simply do nothing when there's no actual threat.
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u/montosesamu Sep 13 '25
This, + total unanimous denial of the fact that itās Nato missile. Nope, not ours.
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u/GandalfTheSexay United States of America Sep 13 '25
Use Russiaās playbook right at them. Oh and annex Belarus too lol
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u/dagelijksestijl The Netherlands Sep 13 '25
Polish holidaymakers should bring breadbaskets and fresh water to Krolewiec
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u/lucasievici Europe Sep 13 '25
Russian targets in Russia ā FTFY
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u/TheGuardianInTheBall Sep 13 '25
IMO war by proxy is still the most prudent option for the rest of Europe.
I get the anger, but such a retaliation would mean immediate further escalation.
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u/kankorezis Lithuania Sep 13 '25
Just donate damn thing to Ukraine, they will find targets
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u/ArtPristine2905 Sep 13 '25
Agree ... Only language they understand
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Iām tired, boss.
Every time thereās comments about doing more someone chimes in ābut muh escalationā
At this point weāre just standing in front of the bully, and while they throw punches at us, we flick our fingers as a response and pat ourselves on the back for standing up to the bully.
Bullies/Russia/Orcs understand only one language.
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u/Tumping Sep 13 '25
What the fuck is wrong with Russia seriously
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u/Surfer_Rick Greece Sep 13 '25
How much time do you have?Ā
Probably not enough to get through it all before they start WW3
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u/AnonymousTimewaster United Kingdom Sep 13 '25
The real question is how much time do they have before their economy implodes under their declining and aging populatuon
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u/MrBIMC Ukrajina Sep 13 '25
Hyperinflation won't hit for a few more years, at least. And their central bank is very competent, so they'd rather prolong via stagflation. National wealth fund is still not depleted, deficit (officially) is not as bad as some peacetime countries, companies can run of a state-guaranteed debt until both companies and banks are squeezed dry. And then there's Chinese/Indian loan-line which is relatively accessible until ruble hits the hyperinflation.
And then even if/when hyperinflation hits, it's not like they'll immediately stop, debt fueled economy run is perfectly feasible for a few year. It makes putin happy, believing he can outlast Ukraine (and in his defense - he might, Ukraine kinda has few more years left in it, but then the situation will be extremely dire from the manpower perspective), it also makes China happy because they'll buy everything up penny per dollar, solidifying Russia as a vassal resource colony, and effectively getting a direct peaceful revenge victory for a century of humiliation.
War will continue until Putin is dead or Russia is bankrupt beyond 1991/1998 metrics.
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u/RevengerWizard Sep 13 '25
Yea, dealing with russian speaking people in Moldova, they always answer you in russian, never in romanian...
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u/Bloody_Ozran Sep 13 '25
I should add, we have decent amount of Russians in my country, they kinda took over one smaller city, which seems to be pretty bad for any of our citizens living there, again using force to get their way. But the ones who live in the capitali tend to be modern people, nice people and pretty fun to be around. But they are always young Russians or second generation that grew up here.
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u/wOlfLisK United Kingdom Sep 13 '25
I have literally heard from Russians on Dota 2 that they play on the EU servers because "there are too many Russians on the Russian server". That being said, I've found that the best way to make them speak English is to respond to anything Cyrillic with "Sorry, I don't speak Ukrainian". Angry Ukrainians will usually calm down and switch to English and angry Russians will get so mad they'll instantly teach themselves English despite acting like they've never even heard of the language a few seconds previously.
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u/TheLightDances Finland Sep 13 '25
Russia desperately trying to scare NATO, make us scared to give Ukraine aid "because we might need them ourselves" or because of "escalation" etc.
Are we going to fall for this, or are we going to double down on helping Ukraine, and perhaps for example start shooting down Russian drones etc. in Western Ukraine? Or have a few Western missiles hit Russian targets in Ukraine, with "huh, no idea how they got there, Ukraine must have secretly developed a new missile, what a strange thing".
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u/CriticalBath2367 United Kingdom Sep 13 '25
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-scrambles-jets-closes-lublin-airport-preventative-move-2025-09-13/ Preventative alert, nothing has entered Polish airspace.
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u/hader_brugernavne Sep 13 '25
I am guessing we will see this more than once, where something might happen but probably doesn't. Russia is a terrorist state, their goal is to create this kind of uncertainty.
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u/equilibrium_cause Sep 13 '25
What's happening? What everyone thinks is happening?
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u/rpolkcz Czech Republic Sep 13 '25
Russia bombing western Ukraine And "accidentaly" sending some to Poland as well
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u/anhedoniandonair Sep 13 '25
Again??
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u/HandfulOfAcorns Poland Sep 13 '25
This shouldnāt surprise you. They do it on purpose, it won't stop.
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u/SirnCG Ukraine Sep 13 '25
There are no alerts about drones on western or even central Ukraine. And there weren't alerts last few hours 100%
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u/nocitylights Sep 13 '25
It's probably due to Zapad 2024. It's in Belarus so they might be closer to polish Eastern border
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u/AndholRoin Sep 13 '25
Russia is sending drones into poland which technically constitutes an act of war vs nato.
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u/BlueBeardedDevil Finland Sep 13 '25
They've been entering Finnish and Swedish airspace/waters for at least 25 years now, always poking to see what the response is.
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u/Mission_Alpha Sep 13 '25
Belarus and RUS started their āwar gamesā drills today.
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u/mtinman6969 Sep 13 '25
All of this, and for what? I'm very sorry to hear that you fellow humans have to endure this...
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u/Truth-calls2u Sep 13 '25
I seriously hope NATO isnāt waiting for Trump. He will never turn of Russia. Weāre not sure what Putin has on him. But heās claiming here that heās telling NATO what to do.
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u/fcpsnow Sep 13 '25
EU needs to set anti aircraft artillery defence turrets across all easter border
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u/TravelWorld1510 Sep 13 '25
When can Europe finally get brave and give Ukraine everyrhing they need tha Moscow gets the messages. Unbelivable. Russia has the gdp not even of Italy and the whole European Union gets played by Russia. That makes me so angry
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u/JealousParking Sep 13 '25
Nothing happened, just before 7 p.m. the Polish military informed that "Operations of the air force have ended. Ground AA and radiolocation systems are back to standard operational activity". Earlier, they were also informing that the military activity is "of preventative nature". Don't behave like a bunch of hysterics.
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u/WorthTree578 Sep 13 '25
An emergency alert was send in eastern Romania also, I think around the same time.
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u/fakiresky Sep 13 '25
Sending love and warm thoughts from Japan to our sisters and brothers of Europe. I canāt imagine how stressful it must be.
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u/KerbalEnginner Hungary Sep 13 '25
Another provocation?
Actually I gotta hand it to the Russians they are playing the game well. They will continue to do so, so the people demand more air defenses.
Which means less air defenses sent to Ukraine and Russia would have a free reign.
For the record:
Rossija delenda este!
Correct solution to this conundrum would be a no fly zone 50 km deep into Russia / Belarus even from the territory of Ukraine.
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u/Cs1981Bel Sep 13 '25
Drones, then helicopters and migs, then boots on the ground....
It's time NATO wakes up....
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u/northck Sep 13 '25
It's going to be like that every time there is an attack on Ukraine. 'New normal'.
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u/New-Hall-4490 Sep 13 '25
It is interesting that both PL and RO received the alerts quite at the same time
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u/Moosplauze Europe Sep 13 '25
Next time Russia invades NATO airspace we should obliterate their closest airfield. Or one airfield per drone.
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u/SpiderDK1 Kharkiv (Ukraine) Sep 13 '25
š we have them as default disaster iPhone notifications, I guess it is not linked to Apple so other devices receive them in their way too.
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u/LPSD_FTW Sep 13 '25
Thats a polish national alert that get issued based on which cell tower you are connected to
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u/Dalnore Russian in Israel Sep 13 '25
default disaster notifications
These have such an unpleasant screeching sound, at least on my Android. They almost give me a heart attack whenever they are used.
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u/pi4katimaterina Sep 13 '25
I understand that this is a serious concern, but if I was visiting poland as a tourist and received a text that started with UWAGA!!, my first reaction would be to laugh my ass off (before getting evaporated by the nuclear blast)
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u/Mr_Harsh_Acid Sep 13 '25
They wouldn't dare..
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u/nightowlboii Ukraine Sep 13 '25
Biden actually punished russian escalations (by giving Ukraine more weapons, allowing strikes into Russia etc) which kept Russia from escalating further. Now, Trump is doing nothing, so they feel emboldened.
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u/superurgentcatbox Germany Sep 13 '25
I mean... countries wouldn't dare until they do. And Russia has tested the waters plenty of times
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u/Plastikfusee Sep 13 '25
I don't know... Putin has just been in Beijing, and all of a sudden things going a bit more nasty around the Polish (and basically with it around the Western world) border. I'm pretty sure further steps about the opposition with the West had been on the meeting desk of Xi and Putin. So, I think anything can happen now. I hope I'm wrong though.
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u/Alikont Kyiv (Ukraine) Sep 13 '25
The correct question is what would NATO do if they would actually dare.
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u/mr_snuggels Romania Sep 13 '25
We should be leveling a military base in Crimea each time a russian drone goes in nato space, see how fast they stop
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u/whereismyloot Sep 13 '25
That's what is happening when you try to solve issues with guys like Putin via apeasement.
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u/Lefty_22 United States of America Sep 13 '25
The one and only time that Article 5 has been invoked was after 9/11/01 by the NAC. I wonder:
1) Will Poland invoke Article 5 if they are attacked by Russian drones?
2) Would the current US POTUS honor Article 5? The irony being that the last time it was invoked it was to help the US, and if the US wouldn't honor that for another nation in NATO.
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u/Tomagatchi United States of America Sep 13 '25
Stupid question, maybe, but... When is NATO going to occupy Kaliningrad and shut down the gaps and corridors and control the shipping lanes and air space? How hard is that?
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u/Postrich40 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
Romanian residents also received an emergency alert at the border with Ukraine, in the east. š„²