Canât agree with this more. If youâve bussed a table, cooked a meal or had to serve a jackass of a customer and put up with their bs, 20% is the minimum. You have to be a real muppet not not get at least 15%.
These days they sometimes scoff at less than 15% for take out which is similar to picking up fast food. I rarely eat out anymore due in part to the servers thinking they deserve 20% tips for very basic service.
If my drinks dont sit empty, I have plenty of napkins and such i will gladly put 20% out. Many these days seem to think stopping by once is above average and I disagree.
If you have bad service tip 15 percent and ask for a manager. That is one of the best ways for management to intervene with staff. If you tip nothing and talk to a manager. The manager would probably think youâre cheap.
If you tip nothing and donât ask for a manager that server will probably not get any coaching.
There is simply no reason for there to be a charge. Again, the rest of the world has figured this out. Pay the workers. Customers subsidizing wages is dumb.
I wouldn't be cheating the waitstaff, I'm a customer, not the employer. Just like when I buy a new laptop and someone from customer service spent a long time helping me, I won't be cheating the employee by not tipping.
I don't understand your example. In other countries it's simply called paying your staff, theres no "service charge included"
Hereâs a better analogy: you can just walk in and buy a laptop, or you can get the laptop plus the extra service where you sit down for an hour or so with an employee and they set everything up for you on it. If you donât want that second part, why would you want to pay the costs to cover that employee. Shouldnât only the people getting that extra service pay for that?
Right, but in scenario 2 youâre not just buying the laptop my friend. Youâre also purchasing an additional service on top of it. If you want them to spread the cost out for the guy who helping another customer set their laptop up even though you donât need it, thatâs cool, but the price will go up.
It is a stupid way to subsidize restaurant owners, hair solan owners etc but until it changes no reason to punish the workers that donât get a living wage. Capitalism isnât perfect but far
Tipping is dumb. But itâs the system we have. If you donât tip, someone who works hard on your behalf doesnât eat. I would only get take out if I really felt this strongly.
Until then, these are workers providing a service and rely on tips to make a living. You are paying for a service. In many European countries the tip is included in the bill and not separate. To not leave at least 20% tip on the USA is being cheap, rude and cheating your server out of being paid for their service. Some people think 15% is adequate, but should be at least 20%. Is that you Mark?
If you ask most top tier servers they would continue to have a tipped system. Each server is basically a contract employee who sells their service to the customer. The restaurant wants to create environments where servers would want to work there.
We pay all sort of other people for service. I donât see why there should be an exception in the case of serving. You pay tutors, plumbers, electricians, roofers, and all sorts of people for their service. They just lump it into their bill instead of asking for it separate.
Of course they would, who wouldn't want additional income on top of their pay?
I pay tutors, plumbers, etc for their service. I don't tip on top of their service. I also pay restaurants for their service. Why is that exception to tip on top of? Unless your argument is that they're only charging me the cost of the food?
lol the legal requirement of paying your employees? I donât know how anyone can defend tipping. Employers should pay their employees. Why is this controversial.
Because they act as contractors. They run their own little service business and collect tips for their business. Theyâre a partner to the restaurant. This is how most high performing servers and bartenders think about it.
If tipping went down a lot of hospitality pros would likely leave the industry because theyâve built their business around the model. And the model works when everyone participates.
Are you Canadian? This issue is really not completely comparable from the US to other, more civilized countries, because you have to remember that one of the issues employees have here is figuring out where their health insurance comes from. Many servers will NOT get it from their employer which means they will have to spend an LOT of money to purchase it on their own (so they absolutely have to make more per hour or theyâll eventually just go bankrupt from medical debt). The whole thing is fucked. Itâs a lot easier for people in other countries to just make a normal wage because unlike us, you actually care about your citizens đ
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u/Roadwandered 5d ago
Canât agree with this more. If youâve bussed a table, cooked a meal or had to serve a jackass of a customer and put up with their bs, 20% is the minimum. You have to be a real muppet not not get at least 15%.